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    marye
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    As you may have noticed, we've just implemented a much-requested chatroom. It is quite simple and has few fancy features, but for the moment we just want it to work!

     Anyway, have at it, and post your thoughts, feature requests, effusive thanks to the tech team, etc., right here. Thanks!

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  • Jodester
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    What's really important in life?
    For some of us in far away lands the internet is the only way we can keep in contact with the Deadhead community. We all need the love! Some speak other languages. Even when we speak the same language we don't always understand each other the right way. But we're all trying, that's why we're here. Things always go wrong in life, patience is not always easy to have but we need to not assume things that we don't know. This place as a bonus in life, we have no right to have this place, we are lucky to have it. We don't know if anyone gets paid to run or fix this place. Maybe they do it as an act of free love? I didn't see the sex spam. I do like sex though and have no problem with it. Spam is not something that should be here as this place was not made for that. I'm totally against banning for using certain words. We are adults here. We don't need to be wrapped in cotton wool, the world is a hard place and it doesn't get easier by hiding from it or hiding others from the truth, quite the opposite actually. I've never seen anyone being TOO offensive here. Much nicer than other GD sites guys, give yourselves a pat on the back! The GD symbolize freedom whether some would like to deny that or not, that's is accepted by most folks. Banning should only be done in cases where there is spamming, threats of violence, or repeated derogatory defamation after warnings have been tried. Swearing, sex talk, and the like are part of life. Rudeness is also but better to try to police it ourselves and report it to our hard working mods when being reasonable fails. That's my two cents. Group hug... Are you kind?
  • Frankly
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    hey oroboros,...
    a comp.(sorry that i did not explain it) is a computer,and believe i dont care,if your opinion is that your computers are working well..so be it.i love the GD,i love the music,i love the people who share my feelings towards this band,and i am sitting in front of my computer tears running down my face,because something is wrong and you know that it is..right on so be it:-)(-:i stayed in every bluelight star hotel..peace,if we cant have that,who can..so be it!!!!!
  • buddy plant
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    Everybody should just chill a bit... PLEASE! They're gonna fix it, I know they will. Blowing up and arguing won't acomplish anything. Take a chill whatever, and enjoy it while it works. Or if you prefer to not use the chat room until it's "just exactly perfect", then just PM me and I will be happy to PM you when it's all totally groovy there. I hope this helps... Plant, Bud
  • Oroboros
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    Frankly, my message was specifically to Stu
    and regarding what I saw as his struggle with the current 'system' and I was attempting to present a historical perspective on what I watched transpire with this. Perhaps a pm was more in order to acheive that. My attempt was to assist and not to manipulate, but if that is your read so be it. As for quoting the Wheel, things do progress and go forth with or without your (or my) consent and It helps me to remember that. As far as Jerry, I was talking about his ethereal solos following that lyric, in reference to the angst that Stu had previously referred to about missing Jerry. My communication may have not been the best yet, I am not being malicious with my message. "A pool of maniacs, weirdos, and other perverts" is not the description of the old site that I intended. The old site was the like the wild west, or even much like the old acid tests where 'anything goes', and often anything was said. It (the site and the scene) has evolved to what it is now. Hey, I have been in left field so long that I have a tent pitched out there. And I like it. I don't have any problem with others complaining about the current restrictions and I am hopeful that they will be resolved. There are many times I long for the 'old daze' for a variety of reasons. But we have what we have. And I am confused by your take on me saying I can't control my comps (what is that?). What I was saying was that we can't control others, we do have control over ourselves. And yes, when (on the old site) I read posts of threats to others, overt attempts at charactor assasination due to varying opinions, material posted that could cause problems for the persons or the site and/or other such behaviors, I wasn't terribly surprised when I got to this new site and found the restrictions. Like the restricions? Not really, but I didn't like some of the prior stuff either. But we can see it differently, there can be more than one truth. We may agree on more than we disagree. Mark Twain said "it ain't what I don't know that gets me into trouble, its what I know for sure that ain't so". Take care, tim
  • marye
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    to address a couple of the substantive issues

    Regarding the TOS, we very deliberately wrote them not to resemble the aggressive legalese of AOL et al., and I say this as a co-founder of the AOL forum who, back in the day, got Steve Case himself to let us not be bound by the aspect of their TOS that, say, prohibited the use of four-letter words. Since quoting the lyrics of "Wharf Rat" would get you bounced off any such system, I believed at the time, and believe to this day, that such rules are a bad fit for Deadheads.

    Quoting the lyrics of Wharf Rat is, of course, not quite the same thing as hooking online. And I note that she who engaged in the online hooking was blocked from the site within two hours of posting her little come-on in the chat room, and without damage to the myriad Heads who use four-letter words in their posts.

    In short, bleep happens and we try to deal with it, depending on the merits or lack thereof of the individual situation.

    I mean, it certainly didn't enhance my Grateful Dead experience to have those gyrating screaming chicks flinging their hair and sweat about and committin lewd acts with assorted objects in the guise of "dancing" throughout the show, but you know, I've read quite a few posts over the years from guys who seemed to like the show. Not everything that crosses your path here is going to be something you're going to like, but when it goes over the edge like spam scams and sex peddling and personal attacks, it gets dealt with.

    Frankly, in this particular case, the "policing" to which you object is being done by mindless and broken software as a mechanical function. And, as has been reported at great length, it is not triggered by any actual behavior. As the person with "policing" abilities who's likeliest to actually look at the chat room from time to time, I can report with some assurance that the only line-crossing behavior I can recall seeing was from the ex-user to whom Stuman took such exception. I am not especially worried about people's use of swear words, and if they want to talk about illegal activities in a forum that's as accessible to law enforcement as it is to everyone else, that's their business and on their own heads, as far as I'm concerned. See the relevant line in TOS about the New York Times.

    Right now the main misbehavior I'm worried about is the software's, but I believe my compatriots who say they are working on it. Thank you.

  • Frankly
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    hallo oroboros!
    if i understand your message right than the old DEAD_NET was a pool of maniacs,sexual weirdos and other perverts.you are so objective that you can say that some of the stuff on the old net was"downright wrong"hmmm..and than one single person succeded to be that horrible,that the good DHs quit the site and you stayed with the trash.please what shows are you talking about.there are no more GD shows since 12 years and well,yes this site is the only place we have to meet.how easy to say to somebody,"if you go so be it".but if i understood you right you had to put in a guard,because on the old net some posters where leaving..so back then it was not" go if you want to policy"i am just completly confused,because at the end you are saying that youre not able to controll your comps.???and than you start receiting theWheel. well,that song is about live,not comp.programing...and i dont even want to believe the sentence with Jerry.oroboros this is manipulation,and not a nice one..take care and sleep well:-)(-:
  • Oroboros
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    Stu
    the stuff that you got so incensed about was happening more often on the 'old site' which is why I believe the DN tried (and maybe overboard) to rein in questionable (and on the oldsite often abusive, sexually offensive, and downright wrong) posting. One individual created significant chaos on the 'old site' and we were pretty ineffective at managing him and they way he treated others (with the possible exception of a sheriff "Jack Black's A_ _ Crack"). Anyway, I say several posters at that time go away for sometime due to such out-of-bounds behavior. It you need to go away, so be it. If this is a good place for us to talk and share (albeit with that annoying 'shove out' "when push comes to shove"), then let yourself cool and recognize that this place isn't perfect, but it is a better spot that you had before. If you gotta go, more power to you. Think about comming back and we will be as happy to see you as we were 'back in the day" and reunited with familar & friendly faces at the shows. I just want to reach out and tell you that, man, we can't always control others but we can hope that the vibe is more powerful than those that are chipping away at it. And "the wheel is turning and you can't slow it down, can't go back and you can't stand still, ...everytime that wheel turn round, bound to cover just a little more ground. BOUND TO COVER JUST A LITTLE MORE GROUND!" and then Jerry would soar..... no one can take that away.... Take care, tim
  • Mr. Pid
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    stuman
    Thank you for your many positive contributions to the site, not the least of which were the suggestion for the poetry thread and your postings there. It would be a shame to see a valuable and contributing member of the community drift away. I appreciate your presence here, and hope that you'll reconsider. Peace and my best wishes to you as well, from one stu to another. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
  • stuman
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    sometimes my anger
    sometimes , yes my anger and frustration get the best of me , i take medication for that , just seeing people solicit for sex here , well as you can tell it threw ne over the edge ,so my apologies for that outburst. however my wife is a former AOL empoyee, we both know that it is not that dificult to take care of some issusses, maybe your software needs to have key words, like if someone types the word cum,sex, or any other sexually explicit words on their profile then the profile will be automaticlly deleted. thats how aol, yahoo , and sure many others operate. sorry for the outburst . the staff here is haveing a hard time , maybe they need some people with more comp. experience. there has got to be a better way, terms of service , has anyone read terms of service for other web sites. like craigslist.org ? they are based out of the bay area go read their terms of service, maybe someone from craigslist needs a job, and craigslist is also free so it can`t be that dificult to take care of such issusses.. well i`ll leave this brokendown palace for a wile , maybe i`ll go plant a weeping willow.. too all the kind people i have gotton to know , i will miss you all. for those who will like to keep in touch with me please pm me and i will gladly give you my regular e-mail address. i will stick around for the next day or so , after that i will no longer use this service. thank you everyone for the good times .. peace and my best wishes to all..
  • Frankly
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    well Mary,..
    i browsed the pages a little and i can only say that stuman is a very humble,polite and nice human being.getting him into cookin like that something must be real weird,if not to say completely wrong.and the CHAT IS NOT WORKING PROPERLY.you have your tech departement,these guys get paid so they should be able to handle such a thing.if not ,maybe another kind of job would be more appropriate.believe me mary that if this goes on like it does,there will be more people getting angry,and thats not good for all of us.once again i ask you please:why do we have to be policed?:-)(-:
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As you may have noticed, we've just implemented a much-requested chatroom. It is quite simple and has few fancy features, but for the moment we just want it to work!

 Anyway, have at it, and post your thoughts, feature requests, effusive thanks to the tech team, etc., right here. Thanks!

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It good to chat, then wait for pm's!! :)
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What should we chat about?Good to see the pictures are back!
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I just asked Mr Pid the following question 'You at work?' instantly the chatroom window went blank and I got this message 'You have been kicked out. Further abuse will result in permanent banning.' had to log back into the chatroom. Promise not to mention work again!
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I hope Badger's experience wasn't because of anything I said. I did respond to the question, even though it was just to say I had to go, because of that dreaded four letter word... Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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that's very strange, and not the first report I've seen of strange deployment of kicked-out tools. I'm gonna report this. Thanks.
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I have no idea, but Inquiries Are Being Made. Perhaps the poor thing has collapsed from the strain of the marathon...
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It's been taken offline for the moment to see if it's related to some technical problems elsewhere on the site, it being one of relatively few new things that may have been a factor. More as I know it...
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I dig the chat room but every time I go there I'm lost in space, not a single soul to be found. Frown.
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the chat room's down, so let me use this forum. first off, I am new at this on-line stuff and since my work just gave me a lovely Macbook, I feel the need to sit in bed and use it. I am searching for some specific older shows from my way back machine days. My tapes are shot and I have no where else to turn (heavy sigh). Anyone have a decent copy of Penn State 1980? It's my favorite China-Rider. My tape wasn't great and had my friend constantly looking for a lighter or bumping into the mike stand.... Anybody have a copy?
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Bring it back soon, please and thank you. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Try the looking for stuff forum, or keep searching all the forums and posting on them, someone is bound to help you out!! PS Welcome!!
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Check out Internet Archive.... Grateful Dead Live at Rec Hall, Penn State U on 1980-05-06 you can download the show from there!! Not sure if its the right show or not but check it out!! It's a smokin Chinacat! *Peace, Gigi*
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is trying to figure out what's causing assorted technological misbehavior, which may or may not ultimately have anything to do with the chat room but experiments are in progress. Your distress is duly noted!
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Internet.archive is an awesome site, see I knew someone would help you out!! You'll be able to download almost any show you want. Give it a try.
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When is going to be up and running?
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Is kind of losing energy, it has been a grate place. And I guess things will ebb and flow and come and go. I miss What Happened on This Day In Deadhead History? and the chatroom.Hope everyone is having a fine weekend. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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well in a way I feel the same, but then there do seem to be a whole lot of new folks appearing here too which is great to see...we used to be a little gang and now we are a big community here which must be good...but I think that is showing up some weaknesses in the site design..it is getting harder and harder to keep up and still very slow to explore a forum....maybe a shake up would shake us up too. The chat room was a really welcome addition.though may it come back soon!
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I think it's safe to say that a lot of technical issues are being scrutinized, especially as things like listening parties and chat rooms get added to the mix. I share your pain about the system performance issues; I trust that they are temporary, but I understand the aggravation. It's always something! Thank you for your patience...
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and the tape trading topics aren't doing it for you?
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I am looking forward to re-introduction of the Chat Room. Think of it like this, there were many songs that the band stopped playing, but they came back. Dark Star (7/13/84 to 10/8/89), Black Throated Wind ('74 to '90), Casey Jones (84 to 92), Loose Lucy (74 to 90), etc. Just like the songs continue playing ... Ok lost my train of thought on this ... All good things, in all good time.
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sorry, posted to soon. I enjoy getting in touch with heads all around. Immediate satisfaction is something that chatrooms give. A good conversation was also one of the reasons I loved the shows. The chat, kind of resembles the lots...etc.
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I would expect that everyone's spread a little thin, but I'll see if I can get a status update.
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thanx to all those involved technically and otherwise keeping this forum and entire website up and operational....ur efforts are appreciated very much! as for the chat room...it was/is a GRATE idea and hope it's back online soon. stay safe and feel good! >><<<< :>
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I liked the chat room, hope it's up and running soon!Peace
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Like, for good? Or is it just a test? Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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it's back! Though no one seemed to be at home when I looked in a minute ago.
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I am having trouble finding a link to subscribe to the almanac. Any help is much appreciated.Nothing left to do but Smile, Smile, Smile.
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when I enter chatroom...The page you requested does not exist. For your convenience, a search was performed using the query chatrooms chat 9.
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I liked it too even though everytime I went there It was an empty house! Keep it going!
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does anyone know danita murray? she was looking for me but didn't leave a number!
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nice to see the chat room is back up running ..hope it lasts ,, I enjoy talking to other folks while listening to what i can ,,...
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Is it OK to allow anonymous guests in the Chat Room? Not sure.
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I share cosmicbadger's concern for potential problems here, but have somewhat mixed emotions. We were always free to attempt to strike up random conversations in the lot or the show without identifying ourselves, and while the chatroom context is similar (to me,) it does lack the physical proximity/available security dimension of an in person encounter. Perhaps a solution might be to require that a virtual token be delivered via email and re-presented to the site for anyone desiring to post in the chatroom anonymously. That would create some semblance of accountability at least. It's hard to imagine any possible problem caused by someone who merely wanted to eavesdrop, but not actively participate. It's not like there can be any assumption of privacy in what is effectively a public space. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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I have a feeling this is a leftover fro the KPFA chat, but also I think it's worth letting it run a bit and see what happens. We can always turn it off later, I would guess.
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until recentley i though you had to at least be a registerd member to have access to most of this site,, so ,,.i guise not,,... be careful what you say and who you speek to ,,,