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    So, we've all had some great conversations interrupted by that misbehaving chatroom lately. Mr. Pid wrote a great song on the subject...

    Feel free to pick them up again here. Or report your more surreal episodes of being booted for misbehaving. 

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    Think Marye has it right
    What can you do? The amount of freedom that is allowed is important, perhaps more so than the few who are misbehaving. I think Marye strikes a good balance in a difficult situation. Saying that people should only PM one another because of this is an overreaction. Can't stand the heat? Stay out of the chatroom! (Thanks to all kind heads who have tried to lift the vibe there)
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    i believe you're right buddy,......i can only hope i'm not considered part of that group.......though i sure feel like it, sometimes....
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    As far as I remember...
    ... we NEVER used to have these issues (chat room misbehavior, not the software kind) in the chat room. What ever happened? I believe the chat room's demise was the discovery, by a certain group of unpleasant, RUDE people, of our peaceful little place on the inet. So what to do? Well, many of us have decided to stay away, we still PM each other from time to time, but I look at it much the same way as the scene at GD shows after the summer of 1987: There's not a damn thing that can be done to fix it. So I guess if ya don't like it, don't use it.
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    chat room misbehavior, not the software kind
    mod hat on So folks, as you may have noticed I am not inclined to micromanage life in the chat room. There are several reasons for this, but certainly tops on my list would be the fact that, in my experience, it doesn't work. From time to time I get complaints that this person or that is doing something in the chat room that's making someone else unhappy. Or, even better, two people complaining to me about each other. And let's just say that in many cases serious lines have been crossed, and in many cases the heat of the moment was involved, and throwing stones/glass houses/etc. However, let's just say that harassing and abusing one's fellow participants in the chat room, whether by threatening them, serving up hate speech against some group present or absent, showering people with profanity, or otherwise creating a hostile atmosphere, is behavior that puts one on thin ice. Spammers aside, I very, very rarely block people or delete their accounts. I think it's a very extreme step. Nonetheless, making life a misery for other people hereabouts on a sufficiently regular basis to get noticed definitely improves one's odds of being in this select group, to which I would infinitely prefer not to add at all. Thank you and mod hat off. ME
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    Chat Room Nerds Unite.....
    I thought it was all about fun, games, stories & music in the cr.....? Oh, yeh & "whole lotta love"
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    thanks CC critter and CosmicBadger , and you Lamagonzo , and Kristen 10 , you had interesting insights, When GD sang Cassidy , it brought a Krishna Dance, and magik blessings around. The right sounds on whatever could maybe still work wonders ! Maybe , or maybe not anymore ...Time will tell ...
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    man i thought we had got past this
    PPL go in forums and chat. its not one or the other. someones not listening on chat. i have foind alot of love on chat. and i see PPl here slamming PPL on chat for things they have done there selves. maybe could say its easy to judge PPl here without someone standing up to u like on chat. we have all worked there to get a posative vibe going now. not easy but it is what we work 4. can u say that about other chats? we r everywhere and to call us drunks ect... have u been to a greatful dead concert??? lmao! love u all no matter where u post lol PEACE (~);-)
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    it's kind of like ugly parking lot scenes vs. benign ones. CC Joe posted a great tale of Old School Deadheadism a couple years back that's quite resonant with all this. If you cannot lead the bad actors by example, or use white corpuscle effect on them, just walk away and leave them spewing their bad vibes. As noted above, they thrive on your energy.
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    good discussion, folks
    you can't control it. How you deal with it is up to you.
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    After reading some of these posts, I tend to agree with alot that is said, and alot that is implied, and some not so much. One that I'm sure of through being a "chat room nerd" that we are held accountable! Of course there is no "moderator" as there should not be...we as a community should moderate ourselves. Of course we are going to get the slammers, bashers, haters, and non-good lovin people in there, it's the human race. I do know that we as a whole, the good hearted-kind people in this space we call Cyber, have told the offenders flat out to cut it out. After frequenting this place for alot of years, I do know one thing, there is LOVE and KIND people in there....after so long, you can just pick them out. When I say accountability, we have to be able to govern ourselves, and we do...it's a non-contrallable environment, except for the fact that YOU as a person have the power to control your involvement. In fact this reminds me of John Perry Barlow's battles over the interenet he's had since it all began with the EFF.... When you get involved, get involved with your heart and kindness. Negativity, has no place in our community. I love the Grateful Dead....I am not perfect....BUT, I know that my heart is in the right place and that others hear on Dead.net share that heart! _____________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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So, we've all had some great conversations interrupted by that misbehaving chatroom lately. Mr. Pid wrote a great song on the subject...

Feel free to pick them up again here. Or report your more surreal episodes of being booted for misbehaving. 

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Submitted by c_c on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 20:56

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Grate song Ami!!! love it!! Why don't we have a section for song parodies?? ******************* personally, I do not care if someone wishes to call themselves Jesus Christ as their board name, but I wonder if it is in good taste?? being a rude, crude guy myself, even this miffs me a bit; just knowing that some folks take their faith and religion seriously, and I would hope everyone would respect peoples space about serious stuff like that. the fact that it is ALL over is another bummer. I hope the mods would just clean it up so we do not have to waste time seeing it again and again. it did seriously bum me out to be accused of being that poster in a pm, but that is ok, I've been dissapointed and bummed out plenty of times by those I 'thought' I knew. it is either an internet troll or a total nut or someone just trying to stir the pot. I'll say it again, ignore it; which I was doing until I got accused in a pm, and somewhat less clearly accused on the forum itself. there is, of course, a simple way to know exactly who it is, if the site administrators or if the Mods access to the ISP numbers, (internet server provider) numbers, it is ever so easy to trace who it is. proxy servers do not hide that kind of thing, either, so a kind chide might be in order. just a thought there. I think it would be hard for anyone to be funny posting as 'Jesus Christ' though I am sure the real Jesus had a sense of humor. did I ever tell you the joke about the priest, the rabbi, the mullah and the drunk off duty cop?? peace
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Submitted by Hal R on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 22:37

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Ami,nice description of the last day or so here and the lyrics for cosmicbadger are right on.GRTUD have to agree with you about that guy calling himself JC. The guy is not in on the conversation. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 01:20

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thanks Ami for the special lyrics and the precis of recent events with all their twists and turns! and ups and downs! And thanks good wishes to everyone else who is part of this thing whatever it is and whoever we are :-)
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 02:24

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I have just acquired the final missing link in my 1973 collection. If you thought that was a rather sad achievement you would be in full agreement with Mrs Badger. But hang on, what was that last, hard to find show The Month: October The Day: 25 The Venue: Dane County Coliseum The City: Madison, Wisconsin!
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Submitted by Ami on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 04:10

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long ago when a jehovah's witness came to the door, I would ask if they could name the 12 disciples. Many came, none entered,,,maybe we put JC to the test. CB, the badger is the missing link- the show is a mere accessory. enjoy your day if twirling. Is that the show with a long and decent Loose Lucy in the first set? Ami
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Submitted by Hozomeen on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 07:33

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Hey Ya'll...I've been reading through the forums lately probably like most everyone else and seeing all this JC activity and just pondering the bad vibes...I guess I've been torn like most with the same dilemma we all must face from time to time questioning my feelings toward someone else stirring up my shit when it is usually me doing the shit stirring... I'm right with you CCj, I was asking myself all the same questions about being miffed at this mystery guest using a name, a word, to drive a point home about something I can't even follow anymore, because as a card carrying rude crude shit stirrer in the flesh, I guess I should be open to any and all good healthy shit stirring... in recent years I have taken to questioning my own paradigm rather than that of the shit stirrer before going on the offensive about anything, and in recent years I have hardly ever gone on the offensive about anything...its great not being offensive...but the thing is that eventually you come across a situation that just doesn't seem to come full circle...I mean, even if I don't agree with the shit being stirred, eventually I agree with and respect the point of view of the people stirring the shit for whatever reason, and that helps me reach inner peace as well as outward tolerance...the thing I just can't seem to nail down about this JC is that he seems to be opposed to people chatting about good intentions toward a cause, recently he has taken issue with the bickering on the site as well...okay, all in the name of good ole healthy positive shit stirring I guess...but the thing that really gets me is this thing about posting these grand statements to all of us on each forum so that we don't miss it, who knows, but the thing is that posting those things all over other people's areas is just plain stepping out of bounds...I don't know if this JC is aware of the effect that kind of thing has as far as setting himself outside the realm and really just scattering us all around inside here....its just not funny, nor is it getting across the message it claims to be promoting... the real JC never wrote his own gospel.....and I'm not sure but the last time I channeled Pigpen and asked him about the website his response to me was, "what the fuck is the internet?" I agree with JC about the bickering being a bummer, but I agree with everyone else on that one too....anyway, thats just my two cents...I like reading and chatting and stuff, but the JC BS is a little much....time to put on some good music, fire one up, and maybe play a little solitaire instead...I've just gotta have a break from the same ole thing over and over and over.... P.S. Ami, I like the name the 12 disciples question, thats a good one. I hope you don't mind if I use that one next time I get a Jehovah's witness...
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Submitted by marye on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 09:08

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okay, we need some folks to check out the new chat room, which is on a testing site. I'll take the first dozen volunteers who PM me. Thanks!
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Submitted by Ami on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 09:59

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here's a hint, there's 2 peters and 2 james...so when you think you ran out of saints, there's moreGod I can't believe what I picked up in Art History so long ago : ) Ami
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Submitted by grdaed73 on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 10:16

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moe,larry,curly and joe
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Submitted by Mr. Pid on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 10:20

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Shemp was no slouch, either... Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.

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Submitted by buddy plant on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 10:20

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what about Jerry?
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Submitted by Mr. Pid on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 10:24

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buddy. Thanks for appropriately reorienting the focus. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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Submitted by grdaed73 on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 10:29

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could i forget Shemp? one of the latter disiples! c'mon buddy, what're u thinking, thats a total different religion, and a much better one at that! FREE WORLD/FREE THOUGHT
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 11:25

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wishing the best to the chatroom guinea pigs Thanks for the thought and the invite Marye and crew. Nice way to do it :-). I Have to pass as I have so much to do, have been getting too mixed up in Tibet arguments and am leaving Saturday for Siberia. Hope the relaunch goes well and look forward to meeting all of you lovely people there!
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 12:53

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Hi anyone have access to the concert channel and a DVD recorder. Apparently there is a Bruce Hornsby show from 16th October 1990 being shown on there, i saw him the following night in Essen Playing with the GOGD. There was a rumour at the time of Jerry sitting in so lots of people went to Amsterdam from Stockholm, probably other reasons also Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://spanishsunshinedaydream.blogspot.com/ http://www.facebook.com/photos.php?id=633338979 Spanish Jam
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 13:12

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I just got 4 general admission tix for Allman Bros with Ratdog for $80..Susqueshanna Bank center August 23 another Saturday night** its a cool outside venue...sweet!!
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Submitted by grdaed73 on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 13:27

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still the lucky duck:) gonna ride the harley there i imagine:)) with a lime n'bottle too:))) enJOY
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 13:33

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you can buy a frozen margirita there in a plastic guitar cup thats about 20oz ! How lucky is that!! My sister took one sip of hers and poured it right down the front of herself LOL...we were laughing so hard we almost peed ourselfs..hehehehehe... I may not be drinking them..but ya never know ;) wink..
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Submitted by Hal R on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 14:14

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You are one lucky Grateful Deadhead duck mom! If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by marye on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 14:21

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check your inboxes for directions to the test site. And we could still use a few more, so don't be shy!
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 14:53

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Ok Marye I checked it out, seems to work fine....but no one was home I was all alone :(
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Submitted by marye on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 14:55

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we should probably schedule something, but I'm at a conference with a dicey internet connection so I'm not too useful at the moment. If you guys want to work out something amongst yourselves, cool with me.
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 15:17

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the chatroom :)
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Submitted by wobbs7 on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 17:36

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I'll be a guinea pig Mary. By the way, GratefulMom (I forgot your real name, sorry) Greg Allman is sick with Hep C, the Brothers are cancelling shows left and right. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, hope it ends up not affecting you. PEACE
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 17:54

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I know he cancelled his NY run in May...but...I'm keeping the faith and hope he is well enough by August :) People can you feel it? Love is everywhere. Love is everywhere. Love is everywhere. Peace, Gigi
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 04:14

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You know the tune!and really really really really sorry if you are not included..it's not that I don't love you its just that my memory ain't so good .just add more verses if you want In the chatroom down in deadhead land We all done found new friends With Buddy, Bob and Stuman there The joking never ends Don’t kick me out I beg of you don’t kick me out Pleease don't kick me out In the chatroom down in deadhead land The laughter flows like wine Cos rider, ami, grateful mom Crack me up all the time Don’t kick me out I beg of you don’t kick me out Pleease don't kick me out When I log to see whose there, 600 hours of fun Is what I’ve spent with all my friends and I know there’s more to come Don’t kick me out I beg of you don’t kick me out Pleease don't kick me out In the chatroom down in deadhead land It don’t stay dull for long Cos Hal and Steve and 73 Keep moving things along Don’t kick me out I beg of you don’t kick me out Pleease don't kick me out In the chatroom down in deadhead land You'll find a Tiger too And Frankly, ripple, Mr P Will make you welcome too Don’t kick me out I beg of you don’t kick me out Pleease don't kick me out In the chatroom down in deadheadland Please don’t make a fuss And don’t forget that Mary E Is watching over us!!!! Don't kick me out I beg of you don’t kick me out Pleease don't kick me out Pleeeease don't kick me out!
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 05:04

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CB .....nice poem or what ever it was lol!!I went to the test chatroom this morning and was alone again :( check back later I'm off to work...still trying to finish the bar!! Huff huff ..yuk yuk ..I have to inhale polyurathe all day again :(
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Submitted by iknowurider on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 06:58

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Come & gone, my oh my! Can't wait to chat with all my friends, thanks CB. Hey, didn't someone mention a parody forum? Kramer's Wierd Al habit seems to be rubbin off on me. Careful with those Fumes Gigi & LEAVE IT ON PEACE
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Submitted by Mr. Pid on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 15:26

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Well done, sir. Lovin' it, especially since it's become such a dire need for all of us.I can report that the beta testing is going quite well so far. No signs of Bootzilla yet. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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Submitted by wobbs7 on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 16:17

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I recited Cosmic's poem to Dire Wolf.Good job dude. Keep hope alive Mom. He'll get better. Phil & Friends are comin' in July. WOOOHOOO. on the 3rd too, which means, the 4th off of work.......paaaarty time

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Submitted by buddy plant on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 16:22

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Grate job CB !! I think you should copywrite it, and maybe give it to one of the newer bands to sing... You could be a latter day Hunter or Barlow... Keep up the good work, you'll be hearing from my agent very soon...
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 18:35

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That avatar is freaky... the eye is watching me

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Submitted by buddy plant on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 22:40

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... in the new improved chat room. I have had absolutely no problems when using it. Thank you JL Saw your first chat-room sink and drown... From rocking of the jokes... And all that could not type or post... Was just left there after a boot... OK, I'll keep working on it...
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Submitted by grdaed73 on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 09:29

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nice one buddy and you too CB. yas ,yas the new and improved version seems to be humming along nicely. excellent work jonathan,give that person a raise, er, praise,, yeah, yeah praise thats what i meant, good work,well done. however there has been one problem that i noticed while sitting lonely watching my last entery , no one to chat with! except for brief encounters which are fun while they last. and looking back in the log i see other enteries to the same effect, this , i'm sure will be fixed on the full release:). well back to the experiment, good dr., please set controls back 3 pass the lighter and hit the top green button! peace tc
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Submitted by Hal R on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 09:47

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I am considering writing a research paper "The Folly's, Ways and Pranks of Deadnet : A Door to The Creative Process" If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by marye on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 10:22

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soon, I hope, as soon as we've ascertained whether it's working as it should. We could still use a few more test pilots, so don't be shy!
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Submitted by marye on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 10:41

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that's definitely on my short list for Hits From Hell...
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Submitted by marye on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:19

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but I've gotta say that song is not his finest. Of course, then there's "San Franciscan Nights," which is even worse. I think Eric's meetup with the '60s was not entirely felicitous. His bluesy stuff, awesome.

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Submitted by buddy plant on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:27

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House of the Rising Sun, or I Put a Spell On You? Or Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood? Those songs didn't have lyrics about "pilots" though.
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Submitted by marye on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:28

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loved 'em when they first came out, too. Long version of House, of course.
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Submitted by marye on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:34

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is when they made the short version, I dunno whether for radio or single or what, they cut the fabulous organ solo and my favorite verse in the whole thing, i.e. the one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train... Dunno if they did that in England, though.

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Submitted by buddy plant on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:36

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Martin Scorsese used that song (and many others) to great effect in Casino... And yes, the long version of any song is much better. That's the way we roll... I remember when "Whole Lotta Love" came on the radio (KSAN of course) we always hoped it would be the long version...