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    So, we've all had some great conversations interrupted by that misbehaving chatroom lately. Mr. Pid wrote a great song on the subject...

    Feel free to pick them up again here. Or report your more surreal episodes of being booted for misbehaving. 

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  • #281
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    hey
    vvhat johnman said :)
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    My experience
    With chat rooms and not necessarily at dead.net is that the people who are shady i.e. pose threats are in fact juveniles in the 10-12 year old range. It doesn't mean there isn't a more sinister plot going on too but the majority are kids being stupid. After watching what they write for awhile it is painfully obvious what their age is.. "Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
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    yeah
    the logging thing is available to one and all. But the fact that people are getting into the chatroom without logging onto Dead.net is a problem.
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    some thoughts
    Thank you Marye. I am sure everyone appreciates deadnet hosting the Chatroom and as Swan has mentioned, it is not an issue of permanent moderation: in general conflicts have been sorted out pretty quick there. But the lack of security makes it far too easy for those few people with bad intentions to exploit and abuse others. In fact have now discovered just how easy it is to ‘break into’ the chatroom from outside. My understanding is that Gagalive is a free internet Chatroom service that has been embedded in deadnet and that it could be hard for Deadnet to impose its own additional security on it. But I am not an expert on these things. It has also dawned on me that as long as you are logged into the CR you can scroll back through (and therefore copy/paste) all the chat from the moment you logged in. So if you stay anonymously logged on for hours or days from the outside (like some people appear to do) you may be able just to copy everything that has gone on. I was going to do an experiment to test this, but eavesdropping even for a few moments makes me feel really bad, so I won’t. If the chat record has a much shorter life (a few minutes) it might make systematic logging much more hassle. Hope this helps CB
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    may i suggest ideas about chatroom's safety
    for sure i want this chat room to keep going , and want topics to be discussed without " politically correct " restrains about opinions . The real urgency , methinks, is about safety settings in 3 easy steps ; 1) anyone wanting access to chatroom must be fist logged in at dead.net and 2) must first be a registered member with dead.net (with a valid e-mail) , and 3) gagalive/deadnet must install specific settings to not allow access to chatplace by bypassing login and registration at deadnet . These can be practical answers for safety , and to complete this format , a once prior agreement that anyone using chatroom is responsable to never send bugs and viruses at users of dead.net , nonrespect of that clause leading to definite expulsion from dead.net .
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    guys
    I'm reporting this to see if there's anything we can do. I don't want to shut the chat room down, for example, so better to figure out something more reasonable. As many have noted, no, threatening people is not okay, nor is misrepresenting yourself as a Rhino employee (or anyone else) to do so.
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    that i read these posts. i have had good and bad experiences in our chatroom, recently very good things have come my way FROM the chatroom, tickets and a hotel room to be exact, so i know there are still good, loving kind folks there. we don't always hafta agree on certain subjects or topics, and there are some that i intentionally avoid discussing in there because i know we don't all have the same point of view. the one thing we DO share is love for the music. other than prayer, the music has been the one constant in my life that i can turn to when i just can't take it anymore. please, any of you that are thinking about leaving us, please, please reconsider. if we keep enough kind folk in there, and commit to not dragging others down with our personal problems (and yes, i am one of those that is guilty of doing this, not intentionally but the chat is my refuge) mebbe we can outweigh the people who don't love the site as much as we do......badger, i'm gonna miss your kind thoughts and words, hopefully you will still use the forums? i love all of you more than you know....you are my FAMILY!!!
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    Cosmic Badger KA Swan
    Using a photo or scripts from the chatroom to harm others is an awful practice/ game and should not be allowed. I was told that recently, things that I had said, in " Play " an 'Imaginative spacey conversation we were having,' was re-posted elsewhere with some important content changed, someone had changed my words, to cause a very hurtful situation ! I know that this has happened to thers as well. I agree it is slander. We love the chatroom and mostly we love sharing The Grateful Deads Music in there... It should not be a tool, used to harm and manipulate others ! play on
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    again reasons I DO NOT use chatroom
    Badger , swan , frankly you said it all . lets get rid of gagalive and make it a Dead.net MEBERS ONLY thing . I for one do not want to talk to folks who are mean and or just not like minded as we all are . I would be more then happy to come back to the chatroom .
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    I am sorry TL and Mona and
    I am sorry TL and Mona and Swan and everyone else, but I am not going near that place again until I can be more confident that i) it is reasonably secure ii) people who use it are identifiable and accountable iii) it is not being taken over by hackers iv) our conversations are not being recorded and manipulated and v) my computer is not vulnerable to attack (the consequences would be catastrophic for me) Some or all of the the claims and threats that have been made may very well be utter bullshit. I don’t know enough about computers to know, and I am not sure how these concerns can be addressed by 'toughing it out' from inside the chatroom. Still, there must be other ways to fix this. By hosting the chatroom for the registered members of the site, Deadnet must have some responsibility for its security. Especially since the main protagonist has even claimed that he is an ‘insider’ who works for Rhino!!
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So, we've all had some great conversations interrupted by that misbehaving chatroom lately. Mr. Pid wrote a great song on the subject...

Feel free to pick them up again here. Or report your more surreal episodes of being booted for misbehaving. 

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Submitted by c_c on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 20:56

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Grate song Ami!!! love it!! Why don't we have a section for song parodies?? ******************* personally, I do not care if someone wishes to call themselves Jesus Christ as their board name, but I wonder if it is in good taste?? being a rude, crude guy myself, even this miffs me a bit; just knowing that some folks take their faith and religion seriously, and I would hope everyone would respect peoples space about serious stuff like that. the fact that it is ALL over is another bummer. I hope the mods would just clean it up so we do not have to waste time seeing it again and again. it did seriously bum me out to be accused of being that poster in a pm, but that is ok, I've been dissapointed and bummed out plenty of times by those I 'thought' I knew. it is either an internet troll or a total nut or someone just trying to stir the pot. I'll say it again, ignore it; which I was doing until I got accused in a pm, and somewhat less clearly accused on the forum itself. there is, of course, a simple way to know exactly who it is, if the site administrators or if the Mods access to the ISP numbers, (internet server provider) numbers, it is ever so easy to trace who it is. proxy servers do not hide that kind of thing, either, so a kind chide might be in order. just a thought there. I think it would be hard for anyone to be funny posting as 'Jesus Christ' though I am sure the real Jesus had a sense of humor. did I ever tell you the joke about the priest, the rabbi, the mullah and the drunk off duty cop?? peace
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Submitted by Hal R on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 22:37

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Ami,nice description of the last day or so here and the lyrics for cosmicbadger are right on.GRTUD have to agree with you about that guy calling himself JC. The guy is not in on the conversation. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 01:20

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thanks Ami for the special lyrics and the precis of recent events with all their twists and turns! and ups and downs! And thanks good wishes to everyone else who is part of this thing whatever it is and whoever we are :-)
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 02:24

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I have just acquired the final missing link in my 1973 collection. If you thought that was a rather sad achievement you would be in full agreement with Mrs Badger. But hang on, what was that last, hard to find show The Month: October The Day: 25 The Venue: Dane County Coliseum The City: Madison, Wisconsin!
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Submitted by Ami on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 04:10

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long ago when a jehovah's witness came to the door, I would ask if they could name the 12 disciples. Many came, none entered,,,maybe we put JC to the test. CB, the badger is the missing link- the show is a mere accessory. enjoy your day if twirling. Is that the show with a long and decent Loose Lucy in the first set? Ami
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Submitted by Hozomeen on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 07:33

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Hey Ya'll...I've been reading through the forums lately probably like most everyone else and seeing all this JC activity and just pondering the bad vibes...I guess I've been torn like most with the same dilemma we all must face from time to time questioning my feelings toward someone else stirring up my shit when it is usually me doing the shit stirring... I'm right with you CCj, I was asking myself all the same questions about being miffed at this mystery guest using a name, a word, to drive a point home about something I can't even follow anymore, because as a card carrying rude crude shit stirrer in the flesh, I guess I should be open to any and all good healthy shit stirring... in recent years I have taken to questioning my own paradigm rather than that of the shit stirrer before going on the offensive about anything, and in recent years I have hardly ever gone on the offensive about anything...its great not being offensive...but the thing is that eventually you come across a situation that just doesn't seem to come full circle...I mean, even if I don't agree with the shit being stirred, eventually I agree with and respect the point of view of the people stirring the shit for whatever reason, and that helps me reach inner peace as well as outward tolerance...the thing I just can't seem to nail down about this JC is that he seems to be opposed to people chatting about good intentions toward a cause, recently he has taken issue with the bickering on the site as well...okay, all in the name of good ole healthy positive shit stirring I guess...but the thing that really gets me is this thing about posting these grand statements to all of us on each forum so that we don't miss it, who knows, but the thing is that posting those things all over other people's areas is just plain stepping out of bounds...I don't know if this JC is aware of the effect that kind of thing has as far as setting himself outside the realm and really just scattering us all around inside here....its just not funny, nor is it getting across the message it claims to be promoting... the real JC never wrote his own gospel.....and I'm not sure but the last time I channeled Pigpen and asked him about the website his response to me was, "what the fuck is the internet?" I agree with JC about the bickering being a bummer, but I agree with everyone else on that one too....anyway, thats just my two cents...I like reading and chatting and stuff, but the JC BS is a little much....time to put on some good music, fire one up, and maybe play a little solitaire instead...I've just gotta have a break from the same ole thing over and over and over.... P.S. Ami, I like the name the 12 disciples question, thats a good one. I hope you don't mind if I use that one next time I get a Jehovah's witness...
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Submitted by marye on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 09:08

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okay, we need some folks to check out the new chat room, which is on a testing site. I'll take the first dozen volunteers who PM me. Thanks!
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Submitted by Ami on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 09:59

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here's a hint, there's 2 peters and 2 james...so when you think you ran out of saints, there's moreGod I can't believe what I picked up in Art History so long ago : ) Ami
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Submitted by grdaed73 on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 10:16

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moe,larry,curly and joe
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Submitted by Mr. Pid on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 10:20

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Shemp was no slouch, either... Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.

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Submitted by buddy plant on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 10:20

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what about Jerry?
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Submitted by Mr. Pid on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 10:24

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buddy. Thanks for appropriately reorienting the focus. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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Submitted by grdaed73 on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 10:29

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could i forget Shemp? one of the latter disiples! c'mon buddy, what're u thinking, thats a total different religion, and a much better one at that! FREE WORLD/FREE THOUGHT
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 11:25

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wishing the best to the chatroom guinea pigs Thanks for the thought and the invite Marye and crew. Nice way to do it :-). I Have to pass as I have so much to do, have been getting too mixed up in Tibet arguments and am leaving Saturday for Siberia. Hope the relaunch goes well and look forward to meeting all of you lovely people there!
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Submitted by Sunshine-daydr… on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 12:53

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Hi anyone have access to the concert channel and a DVD recorder. Apparently there is a Bruce Hornsby show from 16th October 1990 being shown on there, i saw him the following night in Essen Playing with the GOGD. There was a rumour at the time of Jerry sitting in so lots of people went to Amsterdam from Stockholm, probably other reasons also Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://spanishsunshinedaydream.blogspot.com/ http://www.facebook.com/photos.php?id=633338979 Spanish Jam
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 13:12

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I just got 4 general admission tix for Allman Bros with Ratdog for $80..Susqueshanna Bank center August 23 another Saturday night** its a cool outside venue...sweet!!
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Submitted by grdaed73 on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 13:27

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still the lucky duck:) gonna ride the harley there i imagine:)) with a lime n'bottle too:))) enJOY
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 13:33

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you can buy a frozen margirita there in a plastic guitar cup thats about 20oz ! How lucky is that!! My sister took one sip of hers and poured it right down the front of herself LOL...we were laughing so hard we almost peed ourselfs..hehehehehe... I may not be drinking them..but ya never know ;) wink..
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Submitted by Hal R on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 14:14

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You are one lucky Grateful Deadhead duck mom! If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by marye on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 14:21

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check your inboxes for directions to the test site. And we could still use a few more, so don't be shy!
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 14:53

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Ok Marye I checked it out, seems to work fine....but no one was home I was all alone :(
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Submitted by marye on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 14:55

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we should probably schedule something, but I'm at a conference with a dicey internet connection so I'm not too useful at the moment. If you guys want to work out something amongst yourselves, cool with me.
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 15:17

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the chatroom :)
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Submitted by wobbs7 on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 17:36

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I'll be a guinea pig Mary. By the way, GratefulMom (I forgot your real name, sorry) Greg Allman is sick with Hep C, the Brothers are cancelling shows left and right. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, hope it ends up not affecting you. PEACE
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 17:54

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I know he cancelled his NY run in May...but...I'm keeping the faith and hope he is well enough by August :) People can you feel it? Love is everywhere. Love is everywhere. Love is everywhere. Peace, Gigi
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Submitted by cosmicbadger on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 04:14

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You know the tune!and really really really really sorry if you are not included..it's not that I don't love you its just that my memory ain't so good .just add more verses if you want In the chatroom down in deadhead land We all done found new friends With Buddy, Bob and Stuman there The joking never ends Don’t kick me out I beg of you don’t kick me out Pleease don't kick me out In the chatroom down in deadhead land The laughter flows like wine Cos rider, ami, grateful mom Crack me up all the time Don’t kick me out I beg of you don’t kick me out Pleease don't kick me out When I log to see whose there, 600 hours of fun Is what I’ve spent with all my friends and I know there’s more to come Don’t kick me out I beg of you don’t kick me out Pleease don't kick me out In the chatroom down in deadhead land It don’t stay dull for long Cos Hal and Steve and 73 Keep moving things along Don’t kick me out I beg of you don’t kick me out Pleease don't kick me out In the chatroom down in deadhead land You'll find a Tiger too And Frankly, ripple, Mr P Will make you welcome too Don’t kick me out I beg of you don’t kick me out Pleease don't kick me out In the chatroom down in deadheadland Please don’t make a fuss And don’t forget that Mary E Is watching over us!!!! Don't kick me out I beg of you don’t kick me out Pleease don't kick me out Pleeeease don't kick me out!
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 05:04

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CB .....nice poem or what ever it was lol!!I went to the test chatroom this morning and was alone again :( check back later I'm off to work...still trying to finish the bar!! Huff huff ..yuk yuk ..I have to inhale polyurathe all day again :(
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Submitted by iknowurider on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 06:58

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Come & gone, my oh my! Can't wait to chat with all my friends, thanks CB. Hey, didn't someone mention a parody forum? Kramer's Wierd Al habit seems to be rubbin off on me. Careful with those Fumes Gigi & LEAVE IT ON PEACE
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Submitted by Mr. Pid on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 15:26

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Well done, sir. Lovin' it, especially since it's become such a dire need for all of us.I can report that the beta testing is going quite well so far. No signs of Bootzilla yet. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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Submitted by wobbs7 on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 16:17

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I recited Cosmic's poem to Dire Wolf.Good job dude. Keep hope alive Mom. He'll get better. Phil & Friends are comin' in July. WOOOHOOO. on the 3rd too, which means, the 4th off of work.......paaaarty time

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Submitted by buddy plant on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 16:22

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Grate job CB !! I think you should copywrite it, and maybe give it to one of the newer bands to sing... You could be a latter day Hunter or Barlow... Keep up the good work, you'll be hearing from my agent very soon...
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 18:35

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That avatar is freaky... the eye is watching me

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Submitted by buddy plant on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 22:40

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... in the new improved chat room. I have had absolutely no problems when using it. Thank you JL Saw your first chat-room sink and drown... From rocking of the jokes... And all that could not type or post... Was just left there after a boot... OK, I'll keep working on it...
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Submitted by grdaed73 on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 09:29

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nice one buddy and you too CB. yas ,yas the new and improved version seems to be humming along nicely. excellent work jonathan,give that person a raise, er, praise,, yeah, yeah praise thats what i meant, good work,well done. however there has been one problem that i noticed while sitting lonely watching my last entery , no one to chat with! except for brief encounters which are fun while they last. and looking back in the log i see other enteries to the same effect, this , i'm sure will be fixed on the full release:). well back to the experiment, good dr., please set controls back 3 pass the lighter and hit the top green button! peace tc
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Submitted by Hal R on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 09:47

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I am considering writing a research paper "The Folly's, Ways and Pranks of Deadnet : A Door to The Creative Process" If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Submitted by marye on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 10:22

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soon, I hope, as soon as we've ascertained whether it's working as it should. We could still use a few more test pilots, so don't be shy!
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Submitted by marye on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 10:41

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that's definitely on my short list for Hits From Hell...
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Submitted by marye on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:19

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but I've gotta say that song is not his finest. Of course, then there's "San Franciscan Nights," which is even worse. I think Eric's meetup with the '60s was not entirely felicitous. His bluesy stuff, awesome.

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Submitted by buddy plant on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:27

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House of the Rising Sun, or I Put a Spell On You? Or Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood? Those songs didn't have lyrics about "pilots" though.
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Submitted by marye on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:28

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loved 'em when they first came out, too. Long version of House, of course.
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Submitted by marye on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:34

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is when they made the short version, I dunno whether for radio or single or what, they cut the fabulous organ solo and my favorite verse in the whole thing, i.e. the one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train... Dunno if they did that in England, though.

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Submitted by buddy plant on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:36

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Martin Scorsese used that song (and many others) to great effect in Casino... And yes, the long version of any song is much better. That's the way we roll... I remember when "Whole Lotta Love" came on the radio (KSAN of course) we always hoped it would be the long version...