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    As you may have noticed, we've just implemented a much-requested chatroom. It is quite simple and has few fancy features, but for the moment we just want it to work!

     Anyway, have at it, and post your thoughts, feature requests, effusive thanks to the tech team, etc., right here. Thanks!

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  • #101
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    What's really important in life?
    For some of us in far away lands the internet is the only way we can keep in contact with the Deadhead community. We all need the love! Some speak other languages. Even when we speak the same language we don't always understand each other the right way. But we're all trying, that's why we're here. Things always go wrong in life, patience is not always easy to have but we need to not assume things that we don't know. This place as a bonus in life, we have no right to have this place, we are lucky to have it. We don't know if anyone gets paid to run or fix this place. Maybe they do it as an act of free love? I didn't see the sex spam. I do like sex though and have no problem with it. Spam is not something that should be here as this place was not made for that. I'm totally against banning for using certain words. We are adults here. We don't need to be wrapped in cotton wool, the world is a hard place and it doesn't get easier by hiding from it or hiding others from the truth, quite the opposite actually. I've never seen anyone being TOO offensive here. Much nicer than other GD sites guys, give yourselves a pat on the back! The GD symbolize freedom whether some would like to deny that or not, that's is accepted by most folks. Banning should only be done in cases where there is spamming, threats of violence, or repeated derogatory defamation after warnings have been tried. Swearing, sex talk, and the like are part of life. Rudeness is also but better to try to police it ourselves and report it to our hard working mods when being reasonable fails. That's my two cents. Group hug... Are you kind?
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    hey oroboros,...
    a comp.(sorry that i did not explain it) is a computer,and believe i dont care,if your opinion is that your computers are working well..so be it.i love the GD,i love the music,i love the people who share my feelings towards this band,and i am sitting in front of my computer tears running down my face,because something is wrong and you know that it is..right on so be it:-)(-:i stayed in every bluelight star hotel..peace,if we cant have that,who can..so be it!!!!!
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    Everybody should just chill a bit... PLEASE! They're gonna fix it, I know they will. Blowing up and arguing won't acomplish anything. Take a chill whatever, and enjoy it while it works. Or if you prefer to not use the chat room until it's "just exactly perfect", then just PM me and I will be happy to PM you when it's all totally groovy there. I hope this helps... Plant, Bud
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    Frankly, my message was specifically to Stu
    and regarding what I saw as his struggle with the current 'system' and I was attempting to present a historical perspective on what I watched transpire with this. Perhaps a pm was more in order to acheive that. My attempt was to assist and not to manipulate, but if that is your read so be it. As for quoting the Wheel, things do progress and go forth with or without your (or my) consent and It helps me to remember that. As far as Jerry, I was talking about his ethereal solos following that lyric, in reference to the angst that Stu had previously referred to about missing Jerry. My communication may have not been the best yet, I am not being malicious with my message. "A pool of maniacs, weirdos, and other perverts" is not the description of the old site that I intended. The old site was the like the wild west, or even much like the old acid tests where 'anything goes', and often anything was said. It (the site and the scene) has evolved to what it is now. Hey, I have been in left field so long that I have a tent pitched out there. And I like it. I don't have any problem with others complaining about the current restrictions and I am hopeful that they will be resolved. There are many times I long for the 'old daze' for a variety of reasons. But we have what we have. And I am confused by your take on me saying I can't control my comps (what is that?). What I was saying was that we can't control others, we do have control over ourselves. And yes, when (on the old site) I read posts of threats to others, overt attempts at charactor assasination due to varying opinions, material posted that could cause problems for the persons or the site and/or other such behaviors, I wasn't terribly surprised when I got to this new site and found the restrictions. Like the restricions? Not really, but I didn't like some of the prior stuff either. But we can see it differently, there can be more than one truth. We may agree on more than we disagree. Mark Twain said "it ain't what I don't know that gets me into trouble, its what I know for sure that ain't so". Take care, tim
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    to address a couple of the substantive issues

    Regarding the TOS, we very deliberately wrote them not to resemble the aggressive legalese of AOL et al., and I say this as a co-founder of the AOL forum who, back in the day, got Steve Case himself to let us not be bound by the aspect of their TOS that, say, prohibited the use of four-letter words. Since quoting the lyrics of "Wharf Rat" would get you bounced off any such system, I believed at the time, and believe to this day, that such rules are a bad fit for Deadheads.

    Quoting the lyrics of Wharf Rat is, of course, not quite the same thing as hooking online. And I note that she who engaged in the online hooking was blocked from the site within two hours of posting her little come-on in the chat room, and without damage to the myriad Heads who use four-letter words in their posts.

    In short, bleep happens and we try to deal with it, depending on the merits or lack thereof of the individual situation.

    I mean, it certainly didn't enhance my Grateful Dead experience to have those gyrating screaming chicks flinging their hair and sweat about and committin lewd acts with assorted objects in the guise of "dancing" throughout the show, but you know, I've read quite a few posts over the years from guys who seemed to like the show. Not everything that crosses your path here is going to be something you're going to like, but when it goes over the edge like spam scams and sex peddling and personal attacks, it gets dealt with.

    Frankly, in this particular case, the "policing" to which you object is being done by mindless and broken software as a mechanical function. And, as has been reported at great length, it is not triggered by any actual behavior. As the person with "policing" abilities who's likeliest to actually look at the chat room from time to time, I can report with some assurance that the only line-crossing behavior I can recall seeing was from the ex-user to whom Stuman took such exception. I am not especially worried about people's use of swear words, and if they want to talk about illegal activities in a forum that's as accessible to law enforcement as it is to everyone else, that's their business and on their own heads, as far as I'm concerned. See the relevant line in TOS about the New York Times.

    Right now the main misbehavior I'm worried about is the software's, but I believe my compatriots who say they are working on it. Thank you.

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    hallo oroboros!
    if i understand your message right than the old DEAD_NET was a pool of maniacs,sexual weirdos and other perverts.you are so objective that you can say that some of the stuff on the old net was"downright wrong"hmmm..and than one single person succeded to be that horrible,that the good DHs quit the site and you stayed with the trash.please what shows are you talking about.there are no more GD shows since 12 years and well,yes this site is the only place we have to meet.how easy to say to somebody,"if you go so be it".but if i understood you right you had to put in a guard,because on the old net some posters where leaving..so back then it was not" go if you want to policy"i am just completly confused,because at the end you are saying that youre not able to controll your comps.???and than you start receiting theWheel. well,that song is about live,not comp.programing...and i dont even want to believe the sentence with Jerry.oroboros this is manipulation,and not a nice one..take care and sleep well:-)(-:
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    the stuff that you got so incensed about was happening more often on the 'old site' which is why I believe the DN tried (and maybe overboard) to rein in questionable (and on the oldsite often abusive, sexually offensive, and downright wrong) posting. One individual created significant chaos on the 'old site' and we were pretty ineffective at managing him and they way he treated others (with the possible exception of a sheriff "Jack Black's A_ _ Crack"). Anyway, I say several posters at that time go away for sometime due to such out-of-bounds behavior. It you need to go away, so be it. If this is a good place for us to talk and share (albeit with that annoying 'shove out' "when push comes to shove"), then let yourself cool and recognize that this place isn't perfect, but it is a better spot that you had before. If you gotta go, more power to you. Think about comming back and we will be as happy to see you as we were 'back in the day" and reunited with familar & friendly faces at the shows. I just want to reach out and tell you that, man, we can't always control others but we can hope that the vibe is more powerful than those that are chipping away at it. And "the wheel is turning and you can't slow it down, can't go back and you can't stand still, ...everytime that wheel turn round, bound to cover just a little more ground. BOUND TO COVER JUST A LITTLE MORE GROUND!" and then Jerry would soar..... no one can take that away.... Take care, tim
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    stuman
    Thank you for your many positive contributions to the site, not the least of which were the suggestion for the poetry thread and your postings there. It would be a shame to see a valuable and contributing member of the community drift away. I appreciate your presence here, and hope that you'll reconsider. Peace and my best wishes to you as well, from one stu to another. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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    sometimes , yes my anger and frustration get the best of me , i take medication for that , just seeing people solicit for sex here , well as you can tell it threw ne over the edge ,so my apologies for that outburst. however my wife is a former AOL empoyee, we both know that it is not that dificult to take care of some issusses, maybe your software needs to have key words, like if someone types the word cum,sex, or any other sexually explicit words on their profile then the profile will be automaticlly deleted. thats how aol, yahoo , and sure many others operate. sorry for the outburst . the staff here is haveing a hard time , maybe they need some people with more comp. experience. there has got to be a better way, terms of service , has anyone read terms of service for other web sites. like craigslist.org ? they are based out of the bay area go read their terms of service, maybe someone from craigslist needs a job, and craigslist is also free so it can`t be that dificult to take care of such issusses.. well i`ll leave this brokendown palace for a wile , maybe i`ll go plant a weeping willow.. too all the kind people i have gotton to know , i will miss you all. for those who will like to keep in touch with me please pm me and i will gladly give you my regular e-mail address. i will stick around for the next day or so , after that i will no longer use this service. thank you everyone for the good times .. peace and my best wishes to all..
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    well Mary,..
    i browsed the pages a little and i can only say that stuman is a very humble,polite and nice human being.getting him into cookin like that something must be real weird,if not to say completely wrong.and the CHAT IS NOT WORKING PROPERLY.you have your tech departement,these guys get paid so they should be able to handle such a thing.if not ,maybe another kind of job would be more appropriate.believe me mary that if this goes on like it does,there will be more people getting angry,and thats not good for all of us.once again i ask you please:why do we have to be policed?:-)(-:
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As you may have noticed, we've just implemented a much-requested chatroom. It is quite simple and has few fancy features, but for the moment we just want it to work!

 Anyway, have at it, and post your thoughts, feature requests, effusive thanks to the tech team, etc., right here. Thanks!

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Submitted by marye on Mon, 10/25/2010 - 16:51

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that's the eternal conundrum, and it's pretty much the same issue as, say, keeping the Shakedown scene from getting out of hand and bringing down assorted wrath. The balance of freedom and self-policing gets tricky. But the place was home to a lot of people who never caused trouble for anyone at all, too. We know this...
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Submitted by mona on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 19:32

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and with sugar on it. plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! glad to hear u r working on it. lots miss it and eachother.
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Submitted by johnman on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 21:31

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Submitted by johnman on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 21:31

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Submitted by haight on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 21:47

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haightFInally got to see what you look like brother. Nice beard! Did I meet you at The Pyramid in Memphis in '95? Take care.
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Submitted by johnman on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 05:28

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I retired from the Nav in '95 and came home to Washington state. Last show I saw then was the bands very last Cali show at Shoreline.....(sigh!)...
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Submitted by GratefulGigi on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 13:37

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I baked cookies today! :)
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Submitted by johnman on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 13:50

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can I has some?................drooooool.....slobber......
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Submitted by smiley dave on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 10:06

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If you choose not to regulate your self.their are plenty waiting and wanting to make more laws. And to regulate you. I my self thought Shake down was a Joke How many times do ya need to be Written by the Band Not to and Beware of what ya do. The Band and Friends caught the wrath . Because a few thought its more important for them to make money etc etc etc I went for the show I guess im one in 10,000. The parking lot after 85 was a joke prior just friends,and the lint ball rolled and grabbed many strange and selfish things. Self Regulation is the only way. Well time to Rake the colorful leaves up . Blessings to all. Enjoy the NOW Peace Smiley D Do For Other's you Will Feel Better!!! Guaranteed
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Submitted by johnman on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 11:15

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The music is what it was all about to begin with, not politics, not money, but the music..
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Submitted by smiley dave on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 17:34

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Not that i would have not said it anyways.How i feel. Many friends vended and disagree with me that's fine still America since I checked this morning:) Do For Other's you Will Feel Better!!! Guaranteed
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Submitted by johnman on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 18:22

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I have alot of stuff I've bought in the lot...each one holds a memory, and I really LIKE grilled cheese, but yeah, greed moved in, and people just there for the buck without any thought for the music. Some kind folk made a passable living moving from show to show, " follow the circus!!" but not everyone was kind.......and yes, it IS still America!!
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Submitted by wolfbat on Wed, 11/10/2010 - 00:12

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Im cheered up by you being cheered up by nutty things that nutty people say.......keep on rolling just a mile to go.
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Submitted by bozomark on Wed, 12/15/2010 - 00:36

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Hey now, still looking to get hired helping out in the lot on tour. I want to spend my time more as a park ranger than an animal in the forrest. i consider Dead lot a national treasure and i would like the opportunity to be involved in keeping it going for years to come. There arent a lot of old schoolers out there desides me and a few. please consider my offer of services. mntnmark@yahoo.com
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Submitted by halloweendeadhead on Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:05

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i need help with some brief details about a show that I went to in New Haven, CT. I believe that it was in November, 1978. Everybody had gotten inside and we were waiting for the show to start. After a while, somebody came out on stage and said that we all had to leave and go home be cause Jerry got sick. That's all that I can remember. Can someone with a clear memory of what happened write me at halloweendeadhead@yahoo.com and let me knoe anything more? Date? Time passage from start-time to announcement? Who announced? Did we all hang-out or just leave in an orderly fashion? What went on in the parking lot afterward? I would really appreciate the feedback. Thank You, Jane H.
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Submitted by halloweendeadhead on Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:10

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Halloween 10/31/1980 on the way to my birthday show at Radio City, NYC
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Submitted by lts on Wed, 12/29/2010 - 09:16

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Not a very inventive user name but a deadhead nonetheless. Fan since they were the Warlocks. I've never used a chatroom and figured this would be a good start.
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Submitted by johnman on Wed, 12/29/2010 - 19:55

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this a.m.........mworsoe has been welcomed in the chat and we both learned a few things.......
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Submitted by johnman on Thu, 12/30/2010 - 21:31

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really?........dang...please take care of yourself....wow....
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Submitted by marye on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 08:08

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please describe the nature and source of the flashing... sorry I've been offline folks. Bit of an injury had me sidelined for a bit, but Im back.
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Submitted by smiley dave on Sat, 01/01/2011 - 08:50

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Thats what did it i think, Doc said same thing i described the pattern and said yes do not look. So ill be fine . Sorry was down with my headache i get after one this was kije 4 days then i lost one. But allis weel i had fun listening to those trying to give us the show. Do For Other's You Will Feel Better. Guaranteed!!!!
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Submitted by smiley dave on Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:05

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It only from over load i disregarded the early signal. Its all good ty nothing needs to change i just wont stare at all the stuff . It was 2 day and all were playing NO BIGGIE WAS JUST WARNING OTHERS!! Smiley D Do For Other's You Will Feel Better. Guaranteed!!!!
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Submitted by marye on Mon, 01/03/2011 - 09:20

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but in the meantime I'll see if I can find out easy ways for you (Smiley, and anyone else who prefers something a bit more tranquil) to turn it off so YOU don't see it (all the flashing stuff) while other people play with it. It is possible to customize what you see, but I haven't really delved into it too much.
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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 05/09/2012 - 18:27

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Please fix it soon. Thanks!
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Submitted by Anna rRxia on Wed, 05/30/2012 - 07:27

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When you go to Chat Room and click on chat room in the upper left and watch how your browser is directed to attempt to get there, you might, as I have, seen B.scorecardrearch.com before your atempt failed. When I Googled that it came up with the following comment from this blogger (If you don't feel like reading the summation is that you need to get all of the fleas and ticks out of your computer -- yeah, you got'em and it'll cost you to get rid of 'em.) ***** ****** ***** For many of you who use the Firefox browser to access my blog Right Wing Nuthouse, you may have found reading it an impossibility over the last 10 days or so. I ask your pardon. I was unaware of the problem until a reader emailed me and mentioned it. I was having problems accessing the site myself but I thought it was specific to my computer and not a general problem with viewing the website in Firefox (IE and Google Chrome were unaffected.). It seems that an insidious, unwelcome, unasked for, should-be-criminal script was surreptitiously installed in the sidebar of my blog and was wreaking havoc with visitor’s computers. When clicking on the web address to The House, the site would appear briefly and then be redirected to something called B.scorecardresearch.com – except the script caused the site to hang forever leaving a blank page to look at. I tried to scrub it using every anti-spyware, anti-malware, anti-virus program I had – and some like Spybot I downloaded. Since I was unaware that the problem was a rogue, 3rd party script, the small piece of code laughed at my efforts to eradicate it. It sneered as I flailed about aimlessly, nearly weeping with frustration and anger, and vowing to take my revenge – if I ever managed to see my website again in Firefox. A search revealed that b.scorecardresearch.com was a webtracking company, carefully monitoring my keystrokes and website visits. I discovered upon visiting its website that I might opt out of participating in this gangster company’s information gathering. After clicking the “opt out” link, I was told the cookie would be inoperative. In this, they were correct – except the problem wasn’t with a cookie. The problem was that a script had been placed inside the blog infrastructure itself without my knowledge or permission. When I discovered that there were still problems with the site after opting out, I went to the Mozilla support forum and screamed for help. The good geeks at Mozilla came through in spectacular fashion. First, Gerv identified the problem: The sites which are having the problem include code from Technorati, which itself includes code from extreme-dm.com, which includes a reference to a script on the site b.scorecardresearch.com. For some reason, that script is not loading correctly, and it is not marked as inessential to the page, and so the page load is blocked. This is an example of why including scripts from a 3rd party site in your website is a dangerous thing to do. Do you trust everyone that the owner of that script trusts? So this is (probably) not a problem with Firefox. Then a good bit of luck; an expert in WordPress who had dealt with a similar problem on another website: WP Specialist: Had the same problem earlier with a client’s site. Do you have technorati called anywhere within your theme? Removing that from our site fixed the issue. From some reading I did, it’s apparently the latest update of FireFox causing the issue. (Which explains why it’s okay in IE and Chrome) Some “tracking scripts” are running wrong and causing the redirect. So, if you don’t have technorati going, trying disabling any of your java (i.e. twitter follow widgets) Please let me know if this helped (because I’m curious). Good luck! Sure enough, I accessed the blog innards and there it was – a script with “technorati” in the middle of it (I wish I had copied the script but was so excited to get rid of it I wasn’t thinking), sitting all by itself in my right hand sidebar, minding my business, not serving any purpose for the blog whatsoever. I removed it and all is well in blogland again. I have no idea how that script got there. I certainly wasn’t asked to participate in any kind of program that would monitor my surfing habits. Did Technorati place it there? My meager knowledge of how such scripts are installed makes that an open question. I know that it wasn’t there previously since I had occasion to work on the sidebar code from time to time over the last 5 years. It could have been there for months or, given the recent problems with accessing the site, just a matter of days. In the future, I will take no chances. I will no longer visit Technorati. And let this be a warning to everyone; no 3rd party scripts for your blog or browser. Unless you are absolutely sure what you are getting, it is best to steer clear of scripts from unknown sources. I learned that lesson the hard way. I hope you don’t have to. ***** ***** ****** After the recent news of the super malware out there right now it is frightening to see what these state-sponsored programs can do. How much more so these companies like Technorati & B.scorecardresearch.com & whoever else is out there.
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Submitted by marye on Wed, 05/30/2012 - 09:13

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people are having a problem with the chat room regardless of what browser they're using, so this is not a Firefox problem specifically.
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Submitted by fluffanutter on Wed, 05/30/2012 - 11:55

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Interesting to note that it isn't just Mozilla people are having problems with. I'm hoping that the problem will clear up some time, regardless of who is responsible. It is possible that since this blogger posted the mentioned offenders have found a way to corrupt IE & Chrome. If you can see how your browser is redirecting you should be able to note if there are uninvited parties in the process.
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Submitted by Jake R on Sat, 08/25/2012 - 10:51

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is completely fudged up. Any interest in sept 72? Lets start a new list unless whoever has it comes forward
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Submitted by Gypsy Cowgirl on Sun, 08/26/2012 - 00:26

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doesn't seem to be working......
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Submitted by Gamedad on Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:58

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Well, it`s dec30, and, as ussual, i loggon to make my dead.net appearance.just kidding, but, seriously, I really have made coming onto the dead.net chatroom a tradition, if you will. It is very important to me. I come to see old friends, who, tho i havent met them, in real life (and what is real?), i miss them, if i dont say high! at least once a year. Please bring back dead.net/chat thanks
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Submitted by Spencergp68 on Tue, 01/20/2015 - 12:16

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Just put in my mail order for July shows. How are people notified about filled requests? Or will tickets just show up? What kind of time frame are we looking at?
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Submitted by deadgeek on Tue, 01/20/2015 - 12:24

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When the chat crashes are only certain users able to restart it. I tried posting and it just stays blank. Not a big deal because someone always seems to restart it, just curious.
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Submitted by marye on Tue, 01/20/2015 - 12:48

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yes. Send me a PM if it's crashng, but chances are someone else will get to it first.
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Submitted by marye on Wed, 01/21/2015 - 15:31

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the chatroom really isn't working right now. In fact, it is resisting all my attempts to revive it. I've notified the tech folks, but in the meantime, it's broken and you're not imagining it or doing something wrong!
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Submitted by rowjimmy10 on Wed, 01/21/2015 - 16:01

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Does anyone know if there are a limit on tix for mail order I'm not talking about per person I'm talking about over all like are their 10,000 for mail order 10,000 for presale and so on
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Submitted by tcarroll783 on Thu, 01/22/2015 - 06:09

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From the looking around I've done it seems like they will notify by email. The send dates for the mail in tickets are March-June but they want to let people know before the sales start happening! Still trying to figure out the whole presale thing?? I've signed up every where, that I wasn't already. Anyone know where we need to order them from?
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Submitted by mkav on Sun, 02/01/2015 - 09:31

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I think they cancelled the 2/12 presale because of the 60,000 envelopes they received. might not be through them all before 2/12 and/or might not have any seats left to presell I guess