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DAVE’S PICKS VOL.3 FEATURES SHOWS FROM KEITH’S FIRST TOUR!
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In all the years that archival Grateful Dead recordings have been coming out, there have been just three from the red-hot fall of 1971, Keith Godchaux’s landmark first tour with the band. Those would be Dick’s Picks Vol. 2, a rippin’ single-disc release of the second set of the group’s Halloween show at the Ohio Theatre in Columbus, Download Series Vol. 3 from the 10/26 Rochester show and Road Trips Vol. 3 No. 2 from November 15, 1971 in Austin, Texas. Now there is a fourth: Dave’s Picks Vol. 3 features the complete October 22, 1971 concert from the beautiful Auditorium Theatre in Chicago on two discs, with a third disc culled from the previous night’s scorcher at the same venue.
Keith came into the band in mid-September ’71, at a time when Pigpen was desperately ill and the band was hungering for something new to help fill out their sound. A sparkling pianist, Keith was a complete unknown at the time, yet, miraculously it seemed, fit in with the Dead immediately. The live “Skull & Roses” double-album (recorded in the winter-spring of ’71) had just come out, and the band was still enjoying a surge of unprecedented popularity since Workingman’s Dead and American Beauty were released the previous year. They were on a roll!
Never ones to rest on their laurels, however, the band continued their torrid pace of introducing new songs: “Sugaree” and “Brown-Eyed Women” first appeared in the summer of ’71, and that fall, when the band with Keith hit the road, starting out in Minneapolis (10/19) and then moving on to Chicago (10/21-22), they had a whole bunch of other freshly minted tunes waiting to be born—“Tennessee Jed,” “Jack Straw,” “Mexicali Blues,” “Ramble On Rose,” “Comes A Time” and “One More Saturday Night,” all of which appear on this set.
The sparkle and verve that Keith brought to the band is immediately apparent, as he tears through rockers and bouncy mid-tempo numbers with the confidence of someone who had been playing this music forever. If the quiet keyboardist was nervous or unsure of himself on this first jaunt, it certainly wasn’t apparent. And you can feel the electricity in the rest of the band, as Jerry, Phil, Bob and Bill absorb and play off of the amazingly inventive musings of their new recruit. Of course Pigpen’s absence was deeply felt (and the band acknowledged it at every stop), but Keith’s entrance was so seamless and the energy he injected into the music so impressive, the group didn’t appear to lose any of the momentum they had been building tour after tour.
The songs are a blend of old, still-recent (from Workingman’s Dead on) and brand-new. One forgets that crowd-pleasers such as “Bertha,” “Deal” and “Playing in the Band” had come into the repertoire only eight months earlier, and “Truckin’” and “Sugar Magnolia” were just over a year old. Even a bunch of the cover tunes were relatively recent additions—“Big Railroad Blues,” “Me & Bobby McGee” and “Johnny B. Goode.” Keith handles all of those (and earlier chestnuts like “Cold Rain and Snow” and “Beat It On Down the Line”) with his characteristic aplomb, but perhaps most impressive is how he fares on the Dead’s big jamming numbers. On Disc Two, you’ll hear his thoughtful and inventive contributions to a truly stellar, 29-minute version of “That’s It for the Other One.” And on Disc Three (from 10/21), listen to him as he navigates through a spectacular “Dark Star,” which is split by a spirited romp through “Sitting on Top of the World.” The encore of 10/21 also features the first of only three “old school” (pre-hiatus) versions of “St. Stephen” Keith played on.
Most of the 12,000 limited edition copies of Dave’s Picks Vol. 3 are already spoken for by subscribers to the series, but there are a still a few thousand available through Dead.net only. These will definitely sell out—and fast—so if you want make sure you get your copy, order today! As always, the 3-CD set has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman from the original vault reels, and the eco-friendly Digipak includes a booklet with an essay about the show and, in this case, some very cool photos of the interior of Chicago’s historic Auditorium Theatre. For the complete song lists and ordering info, click here.
—Blair Jackson
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DAVID LEMIEUX ON VOLUME 3 & MORE
David Lemieux sits down for a seaside chat about his favorite moments on Dave's Picks, Volume 3: Auditorium Theater, Chicago, IL - 10/22/71. Watch the video here:
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Nice food analogy there ;)
Which era represents the sometime "subpar, greasy pupu platter"? lol
I would consider the '60s to be the appetizer, the '70s the meat and potatoes, the '80s dessert and the '90s a late night snack.
My favorite course just happens to be dessert.
The Dave's Picks video above hasn't worked for me since it's been posted, but the one with Yoda works just fine. Is there an issue with it?
jvanderveen
Your post didn't come across as complaining to me. You're absolutely right. In fact, I thought your post was quite eloquently and respectfully stated. It really is a small percentage that I was responding to that were outright complaining and making what I thought were odd accusations, feeling ripped off, etc. And I had just read all the posts regarding DaP3 (including the listening party posts). Like I said, making suggestions and letting Dave know what you'd like to see in the future is great (and highly, actively encouraged). Again, I'm consistently thrilled each and every time we get a new release of a full show. Pick a year, any year... There are so few bands that offer what the Dead and Rhino have been offering us. And again, my point was that these are Dave's Picks, as the title says. I'm happy to let him turn me on to whatever shows he's excited to share. Not all of Dick's Picks would have been my choices for releases, but I was still glad to go on that journey with him. That series reflected Dick in a very specific way. This series will reflect Dave in an equally specific way. In addition, I see '71 and '74 and '77 as very different years. So I personally don't feel that there's any variety lacking. But that's just me. I'm happy to go on whatever ride Dave's offering. That said, the bulk of my heaviest touring years were in the early to mid-80's. I'd love shows from then as well. So I'm with you (even though I, too, cringe when original Brent tunes are played).
Greek Broadcasts
Dead Ahead While you are right about the New Year's shows being broadcast that is not correct about the Greeks. Out of the 40 or so Greeks only a couple were broadcast. As to how good they were, to each their own
releases
with all the debating about what should or should not be released.just a thought,would it have been better for the first 4 releases of daves picks to have represented each decade?one show from 60's,70's,80's and 90's.subsequent releases to focus more on certain era's.i have my personal favourites but will listen to any grateful dead release.
as i said ,it was just a thought.
as i see it...
rhino isn't solely responsible for the lack of variety. yes, their main priority is to make money, and that can sometimes be a conflict of interest, which often hurts those who don't hold the majority opinion.
i think a big part of the blame is the deadheads themselves. the people who primarily listen to the grateful dead, who already own hundreds of shows, and just want more. it doesn't matter if they already have shows that are virtually identical. they don't care, because they're going to overanalyze every note, and pretend like they're experts. you really don't need to know much about music to be a deadhead. its akin to someone who only eats cheeseburgers posing as a food connoisseur. in the end rhino gets paid, the deadheads get what they want, and the minority get squeezed out.
Be paranoid because everyone is against you
There's blame that needs a home, because we have all this great music to enjoy? Are voices telling you that?
About PCM's...
But certainly something like Dick's Picks 21 — it couldn't have been an accident that Spoonful, Gimme Some Lovin', She Belongs to Me, and Gloria, had not been officially released before.
That was a happy accident. That was a great show. And again, 1985 is a year where there are a lot of tape problems. The master tapes we have on cassette. And then we've got the PCMs, the Beta tapes, starting with the New Year's run of '82 up until about New Year's '87. We've got these digital tapes that are Betamax videotapes with no video on them, just an audio-only track. The earliest digital audio we have is from 1985. Early digital had real bass issues. It's really bass shy. We looked at quite a bit of it from that era. For instance the bonus material on Dick's Picks 21 from Rochester 9-2-80 with the tremendous Iko Iko — we thought about putting on the Space>Werewolves of London>The Music Never Stopped medley that opened the night before, and a lot of people said, "Why didn't they do that? They had 40 minutes." The reason is that the tape really lacked bass. It literally had no bass in the mix. It's those sorts of issues that rendered that specific tape unusable. So with '85 there were a few shows that I won't say we rated higher than Richmond 11-1-85, but that we equally valued, and they just didn't hold up as far as the sound quality goes. And the performance at that Richmond show is pretty amazing energy, and I think the energy that the band brought that night is what caused such an incredible set list. I don't think it was the set list that caused the energy. I think it was the band playing so incredibly tightly on that whole tour — that whole year really — that something magic happened that night and they probably walked on stage and said, "Let's mess it up a bit tonight." Hence, we got two Jerry ballads before Drums, and then the post-Space is stellar.
So to get back to your question, no we didn't say, "This is a cool set list." We don't go through DeadBase looking for unusual set lists. I know the set lists as well as anyone does. I know which shows are the sought after ones. We've done polls. I'm a tape trader myself so I know what's going on, and there are quite a few people involved in the process who [provide] input. Dick's Picks 21, specifically, was both a really good show and highly sought after. It happened to be a really good sounding tape, and it was very popular. With so much circulating now there's not really much left in the way of surprises. You know the criteria used to be: performance, then sound quality, then sound mix, and then the song selection. The fact is at number 22 in the Dick's Picks series we're not going to really find much in the way of songs that haven't been put out.
Read more: Interview from the Vault - A Conversation with David Lemieux (Part One) http://www.musicbox-online.com/dl-vault1.html#ixzz1yj7okLIA
the wisdom of eddie murphy
you didn't make love. it just felt real good. you know why? because you waited five months for it. if you're starving, and somebody throw you a cracker, you're gonna be like, goddamn, that's the best cracker i ever ate in my life! that ain't no regular cracker, was it? what was that, a saltine? goddamn, that was delicious. that wasn't no saltine. that was... that was a ritz. that wasn't a ritz? god, that was the best cracker i ever ate in my life. can i have another one please? please, one more. then you get married, because you think you found the bomb. had the same crackers everyday for a year. you roll over one day, and be like, hey, i just got some regular old crackers.
i ain't starving for dead shows.
Remember cassette tapes?
Looking back back back a ways, do any of you remember the 70's and 80's? You know, back when everyone was trying to get that [insert date] tape that was one generation less worse than the one you had?
I remember those days, and still have the tapes.
Personally, I am very thankful for the extremely high quality releases that are being offered now. I have my personal preferences too, but I will not offer negative feedback regarding the wonderful music that I have the honor to listen to in the highest quality available.
Some of the folks commenting here seriously need to get a grip. Be thankful for what you have available to you. Stop criticizing.
Question on 10/21/71
I was jammin to some tunes on my ipod today and came across The Dead (jerry)singing "Get Back" from the Beatles... only a 1:50min tune but still, something pretty cool. Anyway, i looked at the iPod to see that it was from my Taper's Section... you remember, before Rhino put the breaks on free downloads... and furtermore, it was dated 10/21/71
I presume this is from the Soundcheck??? Is ther more? are there other Soundchecks that could be shared since you know they are not gonna put it on a Bonus Disc or anything... why not gis us back the Downloadable tapers section for stuff that YOU KNOW will never see an official release?
Just a thought...
Just throwin that out there...
Anyone?
Peace, and thank you for all the releases... I think I have em all, and I do love some more than others, but thanks for them all...
iGrateful
Nice
A 71 show. Wonderful! Love 71. Didn't see the Dead until 76 but in the mid-late 70s there were tons of hissy 71 tapes circulating and we cherished them. I remember having part of this show on a cassette which had been recorded off a vinyl bootleg. Looking forward to hearing it all spruced up.
Great pick, great series, nice weather. Jumpin' Jeevus it's good to be alive!
Answer on 10/21/71
Indeed, "Get back", all 1:53 of it was from the 10/21/71 soundcheck. It would have been cool to add this (and any other soundcheck songs) to the show proper - assuming that it would fit without screwing up the layout of the discs (that 80 min. per disc limit). One would assume that an extra two minutes could be fitted onto the beginning of the first disc - or at the end of the last disc. We shall see. Hidden track?
Pupu Platter
The pupu platter has to be RT 2.4, Cal Expo '93, right? The "Playin' in the Band" represents the crab rangoons, which I love, but "Corrina" is the fried chicken fingers, which I set to the side. :) Again, though, and in all seriousness, we're the luckiest fans in the world. No complaints here. We're lucky to even have these conversations about which shows in a long 30-yr. run that we'd most like to have released.
jvanderveen
dude, i couldn't agree more. we literally are the luckiest fans in the world. there is absolutely no question about it. seems like sometimes people take it for granted the amount of music being released and just how much we have at our fingertips. a day doesn't go by that i don't stop and think how grateful i am to be a grateful dead fan :)
lucky fans
We Grateful Dead fans are extremly lucky to have good sounding and, in some cases, excellent sounding shows to enjoy. We have the luxury of selecting from what is offered-obviously different shows/eras appeal to different folks-but at least we have something to choose from due to the efforts of all the folks involved in selecting and producing this material in its best presentation. As we should know-there are very few artists issuing archive material at this high level of quality-performance and sound. Just stop and think if the releases just stopped with no explanation as they have done in the Pure Jerry manner then we would no longer have the luxury of fighting over choices of pick.
katky111
Thank you thank you thank you for hipping me to the Real Gone Music Dick's Picks reissues.There were a couple of DPs I missed out on back in the day. I am super eager to fill those holes.
Oh yeah, I'm also geeked about a DP2 release from probably my favorite year, 1971!
the minority report
"you really don't need to know much about music to be a deadhead. its akin to someone who only eats cheeseburgers posing as a food connoisseur. in the end rhino gets paid, the deadheads get what they want, and the minority get squeezed out."
It's the non-Deadheads who should be catered to! Of course!!
THEY are the *real* connoisseurs.
And some other nonsense.
Listen, if you want to prove your wide-ranging musical tastes, posting on a GD board about how you need to broaden your collection to include some '80's shows is just the so very wrong way to do it. Following on with the facts of your love for real C&W and Zappa is also extraordinarily unconvincing. Those tastes could hardly be any more common, hidebound even.
But honestly, you're trying to make clear, you're *not* a deadhead, just a guy who really needs a good, diverse collection of Dead music... for some reason.
OK then, sit tight, everything will come your way in good time. You're not a deadhead, right? Why so impatient about it then?
You see, you ARE a deadhead -- just a cranky one. No big deal. Same advice applies.
reasonably cranky.
rhino changed the name of the 'road trips' series just when it was getting good, simply because it wasn't selling. due largely to the fact that fans who came late to the party couldn't get their hands on the bonus discs. this led to 'dave's picks'. a new series trying to pass itself off as 'dick's picks' 2.0.
it wasn't until the 6th 'dick's picks (5th 'road trips') that a non '70s show was released, so its becoming apparent i'll be forced to wait at least another release or two before rhino issues something from a different decade.
another factor that compounds my frustration is OCD. if i buy the set i'm going to want it complete. i'm not going to sell the 'dave's picks' i don't listen to often. i'll just toss them into my iTunes library for shuffle play.
it basically boils down to song counts. don't get me wrong, many of my favorite dead tunes i already have covered. its the ones i love, but have very few versions of that keep me coming back. obviously, if the majority of what rhino releases is stuff from the '70s my dead collection is going to suffer.
you would think after the big 'europe '72' box set release they'd issue some stuff from a different decade. especially, when you take into account there are multiple years without any official releases.
The surviving members still control what gets released
Rhino controls the distribution rights and how it's distributed ("limited edition" and such) and Dave can only "suggest" shows for release. The former band members still have a "final" say. It could be that both Rhino and Dave have suggested a '80's/'90's release only to have it turned down at this time. 5-2-70 was nixed several times before it was released. 9-21-72 was a choice for the first Dick's Picks but wasn't released until more than 12 years later. Six years after Dick had passed. One of Dick's picks for release was 6-23-74 but aside from a couple of songs, it's unreleased. Both Cardboard Cowboy and Barbed Wire Whipping Party were to be included in The Golden Road box set but were nixed by higher ups. The GD Movie Soundtrack was going to be 7 discs but was edited down to five and Steppin' Out was going to be 5 but was edited down to four by the people in charge. The So Many Roads box was going to include a studio version of Wave To The Wind that was better than the live versions but that was nixed. It's entirely likely that several different shows were submitted from several different eras but the "Power(s) That Be" simply liked this one the best this time.
As far as the Taper's Section not being downloadable anymore: Notice how there haven't been any covers in the two 30 Days of the Dead that weren't traditional? The downloadable Taper's Section had a few and people were downloading them, making videos and putting them up on places like YouTube. It's entirely possible that someone who owns the rights to one of the songs found out and asked them not to do it anymore. I'm not a fan of Rhino's "Limited Edition" plan but I don't think that they or Dave have complete control over what shows get released.
Non-70's dead?
First of all, as has been pointed out, but cannot be stressed enough: there is no such thing as "70's Grateful Dead!"
1971, 1976 and 1974 are as different as anything else in the dead universe. Lumping them together really does nothing for anyone's understanding of the diversity of what's been released so far.
Having said that...
What's been released from other decades is a goldmine. And though I'm sure there's more to come, the current shelfload should be more than enough for any non-deadhead out there:
Crimson White & Indigo
Dick's Picks 22, 26, 16, 13, 32, 6, 21, 9, 17 and 27
Dozin' at the Knick
Without a Net
Fillmore East 2-11-1969
Fillmore West 1969
Download Series 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 12
Go To Nassau
Warlocks Brand Finest Quality
Two from The Vault
Road Trips 2.1, 2.2, 2.4, 3.4, 4.1, 4.2, 4.4
No one has been squeezed out. You are not privy to any special knowledge about sales volumes. And the opinion/speculation that Road Trips wasn't selling, by implication either because it didn't highlight non-70's material, or because no one wanted to buy them without the bonus discs -- is worth exactly what we paid to read it...
Road Trips -- the most recent sustained release program since Dick's Picks -- in 17 releases had 7 non-70s sets: a significant part of the series, even if we accept childishly lumping the 70's into one bucket.
"its becoming apparent i'll be forced to wait at least another release or two"
"my dead collection is going to suffer."
Please, stop a minute while we get out our hankies.
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OK. So, some years haven't been represented? Yeah, so what? All indications are that getting a specific year represented by a release is a very, very low priority compared to other issues such as show quality. I certainly hope that having a release from every year as some sort of marker it isn't a major criteria anyway. And since it's been brought up, the insistence on it does seem very OCD, yes.
Finally, (really!) I'm not the thread police and everyone will do what they want, including me complaining about whining.
By the way, when is 10/25/73 going to get the love, Dave? The show is major and there are real problems with our tapes!
rrot wrote "By the way, when is 10/25/73 going to get the love,.
...Dave?
Hopefull after the two 800 pound gorilla's in the room get the love, being 8/27/72 and especially 3/29/90.
For the most part, shows from the '80s have been released as stand alone projects availably at retail outlets, and not part of a series, which are generally mail order only releases, likely because they sell more units of the later years, '87-'90.
For the most part, '70s Dead recordings seems to me, to be more of a fan/collector geared era, whereas, the 80's, especially during their commercial peak years has more broad mass appeal.
..not forgetting
from the Brent and post Brent eras
Full Show RT DL 11/5/79
Full Show RT DL 11/6/79
Dead Set
Reckoning
Dead Ahead (Video) and bonus CD
Dylan and the Dead
Downhill from Here (Video)
Ticket to New Years (Video)
VFTV I,II,III,IV (Video and CD)
Truckin up to Buffalo (Video and CD)
Nightfall of Diamonds
Terrapin Limited
2.5 Discs of So Many Roads
Also I think the reason that later era shows tend to be released as commercially distributed releases is nothing to do with the popularity of the band. There are far more multitrack recordings of shows from that period and multitracks have always featured as commercial (Vault) releases, while 2 track recordings normally appear as Series (DP. RT. VFTV, DaP) releases.
One joker in the pack is 'To Terrapin' a commercial release of a 2 track recording. I never saw the logic of that release, but I like it anyway and logic is often overrated ;-)
you can shape it anyway you want
the sad truth... most of what has been released is the same repetitive garbage from the same 10 year period. it doesn't matter what you call it, or how you break it up. i own every one of those non '70s releases with the exceptions of the 'download series' & 'dick's picks', and still the amount of '70s dead i own dwarfs all other decades combined.
rhino originally planned to release a 'road trips' 5.1, but then decided against it, and changed it to 'road trips' 4.5, so they could usher in the new series 'dave's picks'. i don't know if your mind is capable of reviewing evidence to form your own hypothesis, but i don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
at some point a man realizes there's nothing good about bad sex, bad pizza, bad weed, or bad grateful dead releases, and in my humble opinion, if i already own shows virtually identical its a bad release. i took a chance on 'dave's pick's' because i honestly believed rhino understood fans wanted more than the predictable standard '70s release. i'm beginning to regret that decision now.
i'm glad the band stuck it out long enough for me to see them as many times as i did, but please don't tell me how lucky we as fans are the grateful dead still want to profit off their music, because its all becoming redundant.
cosmicbadger,
Your understanding of sales information as it relates to releases and "popularity" is much more coherent than that of the average boar!
But who will convince a man who thinks "most of what has been released is the same repetitive garbage?" The posts veer wildly from self-absorption to insult.
And still we see this wrong-headed insistence on some fictional thing called 1970's Dead? That dog won't hunt!
"You ain't gonna learn what you don't wanna know," as someone once said.
Heya Foxy
Maybe if you channeled some of that energy into managing your OCD issues you could stop annoying yourself by pathologically buying music you claim to not care for.
Or is the venting just part of your management process?
Here's to hoping you get what you need, whatever that may be.
A better prepresentation
I have concluded that with each release we get a a better idea what a particular year or tour was like. Based on an earlier post, it makes sense that the living members of the Grateful Dead have the final say. After all is it there stuff. It makes perfect sense to me now why they didn't put the Seastones on the last release. Not even the surviving members must have cared for it (or they remember all the complaints they got from performing it).
I wonder how much nostalgia plays into their particular decision. As we get along in life it's easier to look back and think how great things used to be. There is no question that the shows coming out of the vault represent some great times and peak performances. I don't think there has been a bad show with any release has there (aside from peoples own personal gripes about a year or whatever). Am I wrong?
The long this thread gets the crazier things that get posted. I wonder if any of the universities have ever considered doing a study on GD posts? What would they say?
the OCD thing was somewhat of a joke.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO REFER TO IT AS '70s DEAD THATS FINE, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHAT HAS BEEN RELEASED SPANS THE SAME 10 YEAR PERIOD. THAT IS A FACT. (sorry, for the caps, but some of you obviously have trouble reading small print.)
as i mentioned earlier i bought the subscription before i knew what would be released. last year i sold the 'road trips' subscription bonus disc on ebay for $105 plus shipping, so it didn't seem like a bad investment, since i'm never really short on cash anyway, to purchase the new subscription.
i'm just tired of getting the same old stuff. did you know only 4 live versions of 'mountains of the moon' have ever been released? thats a bit of a loaded question, because the dead only played the song 17 times, and some of those performances might not be in the vault, but it doesn't detract from the fact that there is plenty of stuff that has been released in abundance, and plenty of stuff that hasn't.
i just want something new. i don't need multiple shows that sound exactly the same. if you want to badger me like that fat kid on acid at the last phish show i attended, who insisted i didn't understand what i was hearing, because i wasn't as high as him; then go for it.
too much
I guess the argument above is about getting too much a good thing. Grateful Dead and the Seventies. It's pretty amazing how much has been released, but it would be nice to fill in some of the gaps: https://picasaweb.google.com/titanarch/GDChronology
Great link indeed
thanks for that.
As for 'repetitive garbage' ......just about sums it up really ;-)
More non-70s releases please! No more anger and insults please!
I do think that the number of 72-74 and 77 shows that have seen official release has created a "same thing again" feel to many recent releases. And for me each 71-74 release is simply "another Dark Star" or "another Other One" surrounded by stuff I barely notice. (4/14/72 is JUST ONE obvious exception to that!.)I would like to have at least 4 officially released shows from EACH of the 30 years on my shelves. And I would like to see 80-86 and 91-95 represented in upcoming releases.
Barcelona 81 has a super second set. A Europe 3/81 or 10/81 box could be very cool. 9/6/80. 11/29/80. 4/14/82. Greek 5/82 run. 4/23/83. SPAC 83. All the New Year's shows. the 83/84 Help/Slip/Franklin's shows. 10/12/84. 3/28/85. 6/30/85. 9/7/85. 10/31/85. 11/2/85. 3/27&28/86. 3/31/87. 6/28/88. 7/2-3/88. 7/17/88. 9/2-3/88. a Nassua Coliseum 3/90 box. an Albany 3/90 complete box. an MSG 9/90 complete box. and whatever from 91-95. All things I'd like to buy in GDM quality.
And I'd like more 67-70 releases. So young, strong, and free!!!
Oh, and don't forget a complete Fillmore East 2/70 box, Fillmore East 4/71 box, 8/21-22/72, 8/27/72, 2/9/73, 2/15/73, 5/26/73, 6/10/73, 1 or 2 Fall/73 horn section shows, 5/19/74, a complete Live 75 box. 6/3/76. 6/14/76. a complete Orpheum 7/76 box. 2/26/77. 3/18/77. 1/22/78. a complete Egypt 78 box. a complete From Egypt With Love box. 2/3/79. 2/17/79. 10/27/79. 12/1/79.
SO PATAGONIAN FOX: You are pulling a "Walter Sojack" here. "Yes, you're right, WALTER. But you're still an asshole!" These 70s releases ARE repetitious. But we all want CERTAIN 70s shows that we individually treasure so for each of us some of these all-the-same shows ARE specifically important. BE The Dude here, man... abide.
But, you say, the limited number of shows released each year results in a 70s show release actually PREVENTING a 60s/80s/90s show release! BOY ARE YOU RIGHT! AND THAT TRUTH REALLY SUCKS! I really hope we will see a better balance to the 70s/non-70s release rate and order. I have felt each of the DaP releases announced so far is a more-of-the-same release. And I subscribed! 5/28/77 was not one of the another-77s I wanted. The only another-74 I want is 5/19. Getting 7/31 was a stone drag. And I'm not excited about Vol3 either, although I'm more interested than I was in the first 2.
Even if Vol4 turns out to be another show I don't care to have, I will still subscribe to DaP for 2013. If we support this commercial venture, we have a good chance of getting what we do want out of it as it rolls along. And when we don't get a show we wanted, someone else IS getting a show they wanted. That's good, too.
Again, I really hope we will see a better balance to the 70s/non-70s release rate and order. 50/50 ratio in alternating release order would please me greatly. But whatever, I will abide and I hope you will too. This is a good thing, please try being nice to it!
Very cool link, cbs73
People are going to see different things looking at that.
What I see is, excluding the exceptional and definitely necessary E72 box, a pretty damn well-balanced group of releases.
That reflects my own prejudices (perhaps not only mine): I think the band were most consistently able to deliver what I love most in their music -- jams -- for only a pretty brief period that ended basically when they retired.
"consistently" is the first key there. There are no doubt fabulous full-group jams to be found in shows throughout their career -- and I love that Dave & co. are finding them and bringing them to us, no matter the era. The second key is "love most" -- the jams, though important, are not the be-all and end-all. I do love other things about this band.
I will never be interested in a fill-in-the-blanks approach however. And we keep hearing the most ridiculous and contradictory things:
"tired of the same old stuff" AND "only 4 live versions of 'mountains of the moon' have ever been released?" SERIOUSLY!?!??
You ~MUST~ realize that those shows that have Mountains of the Moon have some of the most repetitive setlists the band ever performed?
That is not a slam on the shows; hell, I'd like to have all of them, probably. But surely it shows the folly of any kind of well, we did *this*, so now we have to do this *instead* release approach!
What is so about the late 80s or 90s compelling ?
What is the criteria for a release needing to be issued. What is so compelling about shows in the late 80's and 90's that they should be released over other more productive and creative era's of the Dead.Is it just to have a complete catolog or is it because the music is so dynamic. I know what I like about the shows that have been released but why are a few people so vocal about what is not being released? I would like to see some early 80's but can't complain about rhino's releases like 1971 or 1977 or 1974
105.00 for a bonus disc
You know, I see why Foxy wants more different shows, so he can make more money selling and reselling these releases on ebay or where ever, that's lame.Other than that, his logic is flawed and to come on this site and say that deadheads don't know music, just makes him a troll. So, if Foxy gets his way, he will be contacted by the powers that be to get his pick of what he thinks should be released so he can make maximum return on his dollar. From previous posts it is obvious that he is not a head and is only in it for the money. This from the guy who told me that some guy who samples someone else's music is an artist. Hey dude, go back to the K west site and take your unwanted opinions with you. F*%#in troll.
David Lemieux: lock up the vault for a few years.
You have put up with enough whiners. We have lots of GD out here already.
Lock up the vault. Some people don't know a good thing when they have it.
People: the GD owe us nothing. They have done their part. Doing the vault releases is an income earner for them, but they really owe us nothing.
They probably never look at this on-line drivel, but if they did they would be, "WTF?" Why haven't they shut off the supply already? If I were them, I'd say, "screw 'em."
I think the true thing is, we all want to experience THAT feeling we got when we went to actual shows. When we don't get it with a CD, we kvetch.
Vote with your wallet.
Put up or shut up. "Free speech" doesn't mean we want or need to hear it or read it.
Man. The WHINING.
Seriously, David, lock it up for a few years, so the whiners can go find something else to whine about. That way, the rest of us can continue the long, strange trip in peace.
The Give & Take
Is what makes for an interesting read.
After seeing the excerpts from the interview with Lemieux in 2002 I am left wondering why people are still debating. They have professional standards to uphold and have to go through a rigorous process of selection. The end of that process is the signing- off of the band members themselves. Given that, a lot of what we want will never be released.
In the end it was the band themselves who didn't hold their crew to a gold standard in the recording of their own performances being what screwed it up. Recording not done well. Recordings missing from the vault -- ect., ect..
The amazing thing is that 17 years later there are people that care this much.
no kidding
"The amazing thing is that 17 years later there are people that care this much."
to say nothing of the fact that as every year passes, new people come along for whom the same old same old is not the same old same old. And eventually there will be more of them than there are of us!
LMFAO!
i find it hilarious some you still think the grateful dead aren't all about money. lock up the vault for a few years? don't make me laugh. most of them will be dead within the next decade, but i'm sure the money will come in handy in the next life. just ask jerry. most of you strike me as the type of people who laugh at rock stars' jokes in between performances. not because they're funny, but because you're so desperate to feel a connection with someone famous. the dead don't give two sh!ts about any of you, so stop it. you're embarrassing yourselves. i might be an asshole, but at least i say what i think. i'm not trying to fit in with you patchouli soaked fools.
for the record the only grateful dead discs i've sold on ebay are the bonus discs for 'winterland '73', 'winterland '77' & the 'road trips' subscription 2011. i will be selling the 'dave's picks' 2012 subscription bonus disc when it goes up in value. i sold these, because they're not connected in any way to their corresponding release. i still have many bonus discs in my collection, so please don't label me as someone who only buys the grateful dead's music to make a profit. i've spent plenty of money on their music. i shouldn't be condemned for being advantageous.
My Gratitude...
All I can say is I've liked EVERYTHING I've ever purchased from this website! I grew up in the 70's and have seen the Dead a few times and have a few tapes but the CDs you get here are pretty damn good. Like its been said : If you dont like it dont buy it! I'm grateful(no pun intended!) that they release this stuff, I think the sound quality is great on most,there are some lemons but I'm sure they do the best with the recordings they have.Anyway, just enjoy the music people, thats what its all about! Take care folks!!! :))))))))))))))))))
Would like to hear more 80s anything wrong with that?
Just jammed out road trips nj 88 and loved it the space and drums.I know the early 70s is the best dead ever but come on already.I bet theres a big 80s box set on the way maybe 85 spring tour or summer 85 or that end of the summer tour of 83 with the hult center,boise idaho and red rocks.Maybe more 90s too just jammed oakland 92 and i really like the sound and i want to hear more shakedowns.So many cool songs and cover songs from 85 to 95 need to come out to speak out the whole dead thing not just 71 to 77.Peace love all dead releases but please more 80s and 90s.
Hmm...
I should know better than to feed the trolls....
(begin editorial)
I wonder if people honestly forget or if they choose to ignore the things that Dave has said over the years re: releases.
For instance:
-There are many shows missing from the vault.
-There are many shows (especially from the 80s) that are not releasable quality.
-The remaining members of the band do NOT get involved with releases any longer and generally trust Dave, et. al. to release appropriate material.
If you're going to complain, please at least be informed. Watch the videos. Read the interviews. Have some constructive criticism, but the same old complaints are quite banal by now.
Fluffanutter makes the salient point about how much time and work goes into these releases. I think people forget that as well in their rush to sling mud.
The idea of censuring a band for making money is hilarious to me. Excuse the sarcasm, but rainbows and unicorns don't pay the bills. A lot of people want to claim that the way things are currently run isn't how "the band" would run them. You know what? They're right. If the band were running things no decisions would ever get made, and they would probably go bankrupt from spending all their cash on the next wall of sound. I'm sorry, but get off of your ideological high horses (this is only a few of the whiners, most people around here are just fine in my book). People get so riled up over this or that and in the grand scheme of things they're very minute. The expectation that everything should be available and free (or close to free) is ridiculous. What was the last sustainable business that functioned on this model? If the Dead are so antithetical to the concept of capitalism why, then, is there a whole book dedicated to business principles gleaned from the Dead? If you want to make a buck off the CDs you bought, don't blame the band for wanting to make money off the CDs they produce. The term for that is hypocrisy.
PFox you can make all the arguments you want but in the eyes of many you have discredited yourself to the point where most of us will skip right over your posts. I certainly don't plan to read any more of them.
All the ideologues and conspiracy theorists need to get off their soapboxes and take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
(end editorial)
Boy am I pumped to have this version of The Other One in my collection!
I would have thought
that, by this time, what gets released would be more of a reflection of what the remaining members of the band wish to be remembered for. Although profit is a consideration it can't be a huge one when you're at or around 70. No, I would think the thing that would be important is your legacy. If that is the case then it just makes sense that the releases would be mainly about the sweet spot (71-77). Most people want to be remembered for their best work.
The thing is, the people who really care are the ones who are still subscribing after all these years. The recent article in the Atlantic (see" what are you reading" thread for the link) seems to sum up the mainstream view of the Grateful Dead, though we still get surprised with things like Cornell going into the National Archive. It kind of brings it all back to us again, the ones who care enough to buy and make their opinion known. I think two definitive camps have well established themselves.
I would only offer that enough material has been released of sub-par technical quality and enough of the sweet spot has been released that if the remaining members of the band really don't care what is coming out these days, then perhaps it is time to release more of the 60s, 80s and early 90s. I'm not a great fan of the 60s only because of sound quality but you certainly wouldn't hear me complain.
Having said that, like a lot of others, I really appreciate the time when the boys were on their game.
10/22/71
I really wasn't expecting a show from Autumn 1971, but what I have heard from this show, I deeply appreciate. I'll love hearing the whole show as a Dave's Pick. I'm quite sure you can stream this show and the whole of the 21st, elsewhere. I was somewhat of expecting one of The Ark shows April 21-23, 1969 + filler if needed. Not in the draw this time around, oh well, maybe later.
All I know is that Dave Lemieux, Mark Pinkus and several other took a lot of time and effort to produce these Dave's Picks releases. I applaud them for their effort, a labor of love.
Is it August 1st yet?
Also I'm looking forward to Dave's Picks Vol. 4 in November.
All you naysayers, quit whining or don't buy.
Two Cents
I think we're all more or less in agreement here, except for one grouch (PF!-why such a cute fox photo for such a crabcake?) I think it's only right, for a bunch of reasons, that the 68-74 era should dominate the official releases. I mean, after decades of listening to and reading about the Dead, I strongly suspect -very nearly- every Dead collector considers this the true "Golden era" of the band. Some include 1977. I'll include 75 and 76. It's only through a few vocal people on this site that I've become aware of any contrary views. That's really cool and neat and makes me feel good about the fact all the shows I saw were in the 80's-90's. Most of us do appreciate variety, me included, and thats why I buy nearly all the releases. But 90+% of my listening and collection is pre-hiatus. I never really get tired of it and the more that is released from that time just makes me realize how important every single show was. I mean, preparing for this new DaP3, I'm wondering why this whole tour hasn't been released yet? -truly an exciting and pivotal transitional tour. As for the profit motive and "locking up the vaults" (gads, a joke, right?) I only hope these releases are profitable enough to keep making them worthwhile. I remember the days of "free tape trading only"- and they sucked. Trying to get a decent sounding collection going was like pulling teeth. The big-shot "elite" traders wouldn't trade unless you had something they really needed, which was usually impossible. Add to that, the editors of the fan magazines (Relix, DDN) always casting aspersions on any one who might profit AT ALL from any transaction. That really pissed me off- even 3 for 2 blanks transactions were frowned upon! Rubbish! Bless free-market capitalism in spreading this music! I've always seen the "free-tape-trade-only" mentality as a form of Dead Head elitism- that kept many of the best "rare" tapes confined to those who got lucky or had the right connections. Now is a golden age for collectors, where any schlep like me with a few extra bucks can buy many beautiful recordings of prime Dead in pretty packages!
Sorry, for the digression but I needed to vent. More "for-profit" releases please!
one more complaint
why on earth would they release a '71 show that doesn't contain pigpen? rhino might as well have released another show from '72. keith godchaux is nothing more than a glorified session musician, with the soul of a boiled potato.
as for what is, and what is not available... i'm sure there are enough '80s shows in the vault of decent sound quality for a few more releases. if there really aren't; why not ask fans to send in high quality tapes? problem solved.
as for those who call me a troll, simply because i say things you don't want to hear; you can all blow me. i'm sorry for spoiling your high, but its posers like you, who turn the dead into religion, who ruin it for me.