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    In one of the other topics, one of the folks seemed not to be so sure of the reception he'd get for saying he was a youth minister at his church. In my experience, Deadheads span the full spectrum from Agnostic to Zoroastrian. I've met atheist Deadheads, Muslim Deadheads, Buddhist Deadheads, Catholic Deadheads, Jewish Deadheads, and Wiccan Deadheads. My Deadhead friends are all over the map on this stuff, and as far as I'm concerned one of the real richnesses of the scene is the ability to see how things look to other folks and, sometimes, experience it from their world. Believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on. But talk about it here, and please maintain a safe respectful place to do so.

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    Thanks, for getting me to the right place; I agree with Mr. Pid and cosmicbadger, lamagonzo, solly Cholly....Look at British physicist Stephen Hawkings' new book, "The Grand Design" about the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago. I'm an ex-fundie myself, 1972-5, am I sorry! The Stones called two albums ago "A Bigger Bang". Atheists.com.
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    The Biblical Symbolics of the Grateful Dead
    Hey Jman...I thnk I said that in my best Three Stooges Voice when I read that lol. Anyway, I was just looking at the anotated lyrics of the Grateful Dead site (a wealth of info) on Robert Hunter lyrics and was reading the significance of Biblical references and symbolics within the GD music. Here's the link...thought it was relevant. http://artsites.ucsc.edu/GDead/agdl/miller.html Love is real! ♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥
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    yup
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    so is it possible to love someone while smiting them and exchanging eyes and teeth with them? Maybe it is. I guess that's what makes the Old Testament a bit of a challenge for Christians? Great stories, but all a bit brutal. Maybe even the Greatest Story Ever Told.
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    the Christian doctrine says...love thy enemy........ do it not?
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    your enemies in the name of your god seems to be an all too common thread among religions, unfortunately. The very second you attempt to require that others believe as you do is when the legitimacy of your right to believe as you do ceases. By all means, believe in any god you want to, feel free to live by any rules dictated by that god so long as they apply only to you, just don't expect anyone else to. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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    old teastament role play
    interesting need to check this out before i comment although im pulled towards explotation lol
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    Old Testament Role Play
    Bible enthusiasts can now adopt a character from the Old Testament and smite their enemies in an online game! http://thebible-onlinegame.com/ education, exploitation, spiritual quest or just a bit of fun?
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    Thanks for the post!
    I've been hearing the Bible in Dead songs for years. I once delivered a reflection at church where I used Eyes of the World to help tell the story of Jesus' healing of the blind man. My personal feeling is that some of the references are not necessarily intentional but I think others are. I have felt for some time that both Barlow and Hunter know the Bible pretty darn well! I'm not suggesting that the guys were necessarily trying to teach Christian dogma but they were expressing some universal truths that many can identify with on some level. The interesting thing is that Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, agnostics and atheists have all been moved by this music!
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    in the wrong topic and moved here. Here is a document called The Gospel According to the Grateful Dead (by David Smith of wisedyes.com - check out his awesome tie dyes). It creatively seeks to explain the Gospel message of Jesus using Grateful Dead song lyrics and Scripture! I'm not sure that Hunter, Garcia, Weir, Barlow, and the Grateful Dead intentionally wrote lyrics with the Bible in mind. However, there's no denying that God is sovereign and in complete control and that there are Biblical principles and themes in some of their lyrics. I have spent my life, seeking all that’s left unsung, Bent my ear to hear the tune, And closed my eyes to see ~Attics of My Life We’re all looking for answers. We all want to know the truth. Sometimes it seems within our grasp, and then it slips away. Sometimes the light’s all shining on me, Other times I can barely see, Lately it occurs to me, What a long strange trip it’s been ~Truckin’ But the truth does exist. Love is real. It is the most powerful force in the universe. And while we are seeking Love, Love is seeking us. Love desires to reveal itself to us. Let us be open to that love. Once in awhile you get shown the Light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right ~Scarlet Begonias God is love. God is truth. God knows you intimately and wants you to know Him. He wants to commune with you now, right where you are. Through dreams, visions, prophecy, and other forms of inspiration God has spoken to countless people over the centuries. The concept of a supreme God has existed for centuries in hundreds of cultures throughout the world. In fact, He may have already been speaking to you. Through the words and music of Robert Hunter/Jerry Garcia and John Barlow/Bob Weir the God of all creation has planted his Word. Listen carefully to what has been said. If my words did glow, with the gold of sunshine, And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung, Would you hear my voice come through the music, would you hold it near, as if it were you own? ~Ripple Can’t you hear God’s voice pleading with you to be heard? Listen. These are living words! Open you heart. What’s to be found, racing around, You carry your pain wherever you go. The Black-throated wind, whispering sin, And it speaks of a life that passes like dew ~Black-Throated Wind Some days the gales are howling, Some days the sea is still as glass, You’re a lost sailor, You’ve been too long at sea ~Lost Sailor Without God we’re all lost. We’re like sheep without a shepherd. Was it you I heard singin’ while I was chasing dreams? Driven by the wind, like the dust that blows around, Well, I never know, just don’t know ~Saint of Circumstance Reach out your hand if your cup be empty ~Ripple God is calling you. He loves you more than you can imagine. All the searching can be over. God wants to forgive you and cleanse you and make you whole. You must come to Him and admit your need. Confess your errors to God and trust Him to answer you. I told Althea I was feeling lost, Lacking in some direction ~Althea You’re playing cold music on the barroom floor, drowned in your laughter and dead to the core, If Mercy’s in business, I wish it for you ~Fire on the Mountain But I’ll get back on my feet someday, the good Lord willing, if He says I may, I know that the life I’m living’s no good, I’ll get a new start, live the life I should ~Wharf Rat Maybe you’ll find direction around some corner where it’s been waiting to meet you Believe it if you need it or leave it if you dare ~Box of Rain Only God can fill this void. Without Him we can never be completely whole. Be honest with yourself. Isn’t something missing? Wouldn’t you like to know why you’re here? Wouldn’t you like for your life to have meaning and purpose? God understands. He stands at the door of your heart knocking. Let him in. Receive the Truth. If your cup is full, may it be again ~Ripple Perhaps you’ve been more fortunate. Maybe you’ve already discovered the power of love. What have your placed your faith in? Some folks trust to reason, others trust to might, I don’t trust to nothing , but I know it come out right ~Playin’ in the Band Small wheel turning by the fire and rod, Big wheel turning by the grace of God ~The Wheel Don't you realize how kind, tolerant, and patient God is with you? Or don't you care? Can't you see how kind he has been in giving you time to turn from your sin? (Romans 2:4) This power that guides all life is more than impersonal energy. This “force” that keeps your life flowing is intimate and personal. It loves you and desires to be loved. Recall all the times you have sensed God’s hand. See here how everything leads up to this day, And its just like any other day that’s every been. ~Black Peter In earlier days He permitted all the nations to go their own ways, but He never left himself without a witness. There were always his reminders, such as sending you rain and good crops and giving you food and joyful hearts. (Acts 14:16-17) Let it be known there is a fountain That was not made by the hands of man There is a road, no simple highway Between the dawn and the dark of night ~Ripple God loves us so much that He became flesh and came down from heaven to live among us. You know the story. Jesus taught us, healed us, and loved us like no other man in all of history. Jesus said He is the fountain. He said He is the road to life. He said “The Father and I are one.” There is no other! “Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. For the Scriptures declare that rivers of living water will flow from the heart of those who believe in me.” -Jesus (John 7:38) "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.” -Jesus (Matthew 7:13-14) Jesus often referred to God as Father. God is Spirit, and without a physical body. The significance is that God is personal and can be known. He is more than a force or energy. Electricity is a powerful force. Heat is a source of energy. God is merciful, kind, and loving. He hears our prayers and responds. He rejoices when we do well and grieves when we sin. Don’t confuse the Creator with the creation. The incredible beauty and balance of the planet are evidence of a thoughtful and loving Father. What shall we say, shall we call it by a name And listen to the thunder shout I am, I am, I am, I am ~Let it Grow And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.” (Exodus 3:14) Jesus said… "…I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.” (John 6:35) "…I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life." (John 8:12) "…I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.” (John 10:11) "…I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.” (John 11:25) "…I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” (John 14:6) "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last." (Revelation 22:13) "…Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." (John 8:58) In order that we might know God more perfectly, He sent Jesus into this world. As the first born of all creation, He was given all authority over heaven and earth. We therefore must know Jesus if we are to know God fully and completely. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. (John 1:3) For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. (Colossians 1:16) And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.” (Matthew 28:18) And they were astonished at His teaching, for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes. (Mark 1:22) A decision to follow Christ is one you must make alone. Don’t be swayed by the behavior of some other human being. Your wife, your husband, and your friends all must make their own decision. This one is between you and God. And if you go, no one may follow That path is for your steps alone. ~Ripple Now the shore-lights beckon Yeah there's a price for being free. ~Lost Sailor The price for your freedom has already been paid for. It is our pride, our rebellion, our sin that separates us from intimately knowing God. Jesus willingly suffered the agony of the cross to pay for our guilt. If a man among you, got no sin upon his hand Let him cast a stone at me for playing in the band. ~Playing in the Band What is a man Deep down inside But a raging beast With nothing to hide ~Passenger Even the purest of romantics compromise What fixation feeds this fever Am I living truth or rank deceiver ~Victim or the Crime For you know that God paid a ransom to save you from the empty life you inherited from your ancestors. And the ransom he paid was not mere gold or silver. He paid for you with the precious lifeblood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God. (1 Peter 1:18-19 NLT) Old men sing about their dreams Women laugh and children scream And the band keeps playing on Sun went down in honey And the moon came up in wine You know stars were spinning dizzy Lord the band kept us so busy We forgot about the time ~The Music Never Stopped “In the last days, God said, I will pour out my Spirit upon all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams. In those days I will pour out my Spirit upon all my servants, men and women alike, and they will prophesy. And I will cause wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below- blood and fire and clouds of smoke. The sun will be turned into darkness, and the moon will turn bloodred, before that great and glorious day of the Lord arrives. And anyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. “ (Acts 2:17-21 NLT) Shall we go, you and I, while we can? ~Dark Star I got a feelin' there's no time to lose No time to lose ~Saint of Circumstance Please don’t put off this decision to follow and serve Jesus. God loves you and wants you right now – just the way you are! There really is a devil who wants nothing better than for you to postpone this decision. He is a liar and a thief and a murderer. Is there anything a man don't stand to lose When the devil wants to take it all away ~Mexicali Blues And if he catches up with me I'll spend my life in jail ~Friend of the Devil A secret incantation, candle burning blue We'll consult the spirits, maybe they'll know what to do ~I Need A Miracle …For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. (2 Corinthians 11:14) Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1) “For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great miraculous signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God's chosen ones.” -Jesus (Matthew 24:24 NLT) All these trials soon be past Look for something built to last Built to last till time itself falls tumbling from the wall Built to last till sunshine fails and darkness moves on all ~Built to Last “Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will remain forever.” -Jesus (Matthew 24:35 NLT) “If you cling to your life, you will lose it; but if you give it up for me, you will find it.” -Jesus (Matthew 10:39 NLT) "Anyone who listens to my teaching and obeys me is wise, like a person who builds a house on solid rock. Though the rain comes in torrents and the floodwaters rise and the winds beat against that house, it won't collapse, because it is built on rock. But anyone who hears my teaching and ignores it is foolish, like a person who builds a house on sand. When the rains and floods come and the winds beat against that house, it will fall with a mighty crash." After Jesus finished speaking, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, for he taught as one who had real authority-quite unlike the teachers of religious law. (Matthew 7:24-29) I want to say to my sisters and my brothers Keep the faith When the storm flies and the wind blows Go on at a steady pace When the battle is fought and the victory's won We can all shout together, we have overcome We'll talk to the Father and the Son When we make it to the promised land ~My Sisters and Brothers Those who live in the shelter of the Most High will find rest in the shadow of the Almighty. This I declare of the Lord: He alone is my refuge, my place of safety; he is my God, and I am trusting him. For he will rescue you from every trap and protect you from the fatal plague. He will shield you with his wings. He will shelter you with his feathers. His faithful promises are your armor and protection. Do not be afraid of the terrors of the night, nor fear the dangers of the day, nor dread the plague that stalks in darkness, nor the disaster that strikes at midday. Though a thousand fall at your side, though ten thousand are dying around you, these evils will not touch you. But you will see it with your eyes; you will see how the wicked are punished. If you make the Lord your refuge, if you make the Most High your shelter, no evil will conquer you; no plague will come near your dwelling. For he orders his angels to protect you wherever you go. They will hold you with their hands to keep you from striking your foot on a stone. You will trample down lions and poisonous snakes; you will crush fierce lions and serpents under your feet! The Lord says, "I will rescue those who love me. I will protect those who trust in my name. When they call on me, I will answer; I will be with them in trouble. I will rescue them and honor them. I will satisfy them with a long life and give them my salvation." (Psalm 91 NLT) Lay down my dear brothers, lay down and take your rest Oh won't you lay your head upon your saviour's breast I love you, oh but Jesus loves you the best ~And We Bid You Goodnight “Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.” -Jesus (John 5:25) If I knew the way, I would take you home ~Jerry Garcia (Ripple) So many roads I tell you So many roads I know So many roads, so many roads Mountain high, river wide So many roads to ride So many roads, so many roads So many roads I tell you New York to San Francisco So many roads I know All I want is one to take me home From the high road to the low So many roads I know So many roads so many roads ~So Many Roads It may seem to you that there are So Many Roads to ease your soul but there's truly only one way that will take you home. "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” -Jesus (John 14:6) How to Know God and Receive Christ into Your Life 1. Realize that you are a sinner. No matter how good a life we try to live, we still fall miserably short of being a good person. That is because we are all sinners. We all fall short of God’s desire for us to be holy. The Bible says, “No one is good—not even one” (Romans 3:10 NLT). This is because we cannot become who we are supposed to be without Jesus Christ. 2. Recognize that Jesus Christ died on the cross for you. The Bible tells us, “But God showed His great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while were still sinners” (Romans 5:8 NLT). This is the Good News, that God loves us so much that He sent His only Son to die in our place when we least deserved it. 3. Repent of your sin. The Bible tells us to “repent and be converted” (Acts 3:19). The word repent means to change our direction in life. Instead of running from God, we can run toward Him. 4. Receive Jesus Christ into your life. Becoming a Christian is not merely believing some creed or going to church on Sunday. It is having Christ Himself take residence in your life and heart. Jesus said, “Behold, I stand at the door (of your life) and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in . . .” (Revelation 3:20). If you would like to have a relationship with Christ, simply pray this prayer and mean it in your heart: Dear Lord Jesus, I know I am a sinner. I believe you died for my sins. Right now, I turn from my sins and open the door of my heart and life. I confess you as my personal Lord and Savior. Thank you for saving me. Amen. If you just prayed that prayer and meant it, Jesus Christ has now taken residence in your heart! Your decision to follow Christ means God has forgiven you and that you will spend eternity in heaven. The Bible tells us, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9). To put your faith in action, be sure to spend time with God by reading your Bible, praying, going to church, and telling others about Christ. Please contact us and let us know about your decision to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. I asked Jesus into my heart, NOW WHAT DO I DO? ben@greateststoryevertold.org The Gospel According to The Grateful Dead Greatest Story Ever Told
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In one of the other topics, one of the folks seemed not to be so sure of the reception he'd get for saying he was a youth minister at his church. In my experience, Deadheads span the full spectrum from Agnostic to Zoroastrian. I've met atheist Deadheads, Muslim Deadheads, Buddhist Deadheads, Catholic Deadheads, Jewish Deadheads, and Wiccan Deadheads. My Deadhead friends are all over the map on this stuff, and as far as I'm concerned one of the real richnesses of the scene is the ability to see how things look to other folks and, sometimes, experience it from their world. Believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on. But talk about it here, and please maintain a safe respectful place to do so.
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Excellent composition CCJ not sure if you researched all that but my hats off to you for sharing it for the masses Peace on the Increase Mark
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That's lots of food for thought or nonthought if I put my Zen hat on. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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thanks to CCj for the inspiration, to Robert Hunter for the tune and all of you folks hereSung to the tune of Boys in The Barroom Heads In The Deadnet Does God look down on the heads in the Deadnet Mainly forsaken all slightly deranged? Dead, Pigpen, Ace, their ears in the vines In music to free our minds From Tapers Section, Vault, Roadtrips and box sets Dick’s Picks and studio the songs that we love Many’s the day spent on tour and listening Searching for the Sound of bliss and The Other One Jerry’s sweet guitar to Phil’s shaking bombs Who loves this music, loves it to the bone I love this bands tunes like some love who knows what One thing we wonder sometimes Does God look down on the heads in the Deadnet Mainly forsaken all slightly deranged? From Chatroom to Dark Star, Dead Hour, Forums, Truckin’ In music to free our minds
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it was really easy to get those song quotes using the link I put at the bottom of that post. be kind of cool to see them all together, and take it in as one reading, I thought. Thank God, Buddha, Allah, et al. for the good O'l Grateful Dead!! love and peace.
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Sirius radio Bluegrass channel 65 plays 6 hours of good bluegrass gospel music every Sunday morning .
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Not much going on here lately. If ,like littlebri, folks would write their thoughts in a respectful and loving manner we like reading them. Even those of us who have searched everywhere and know there is only one thing we CAN believe in. We who believe in Jesus are told by him that we will be hated. Maybe we should be put in our own little box,say, "The Promised Land: A Christian Forum". We're all in this together. Peace.
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After thinking about it, I think "Sisters & Brothers: the Christians forum,would be a better name. Almost everyone here has been very kind so far, I just think it would be nice if we had a place where we could pray for each other in Jesus name. Bless you all.
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are you asking for a topic for Deadhead Christians? Not saying yes or no, just making sure that's what you want before I make inquiries. Thanks!
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hi marye, that's what I was thinking about. Just thought I'd see if the idea had any support before I'd ask you. Whatever is decided is fine with me. Thanks for all the work you've done for this website.
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Sometimes the light's all shinin on meOther times I can barely see Lately it occurs to me What a long, strange trip it's been
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I'm not opposed to the idea; after all, the Wharf Rats topic is a particular branch of the spirituality tree as far as I'm concerned, and other branches could function in a similar manner. What I'm a bit worried about, aside from addressing any legal endorsement-of-a-particular-religion issues (which may or may not exist), is drawing energy away from a topic of diverse perspectives and the insight that entails into more or less enclaves of believers (or unbelievers, as I'm sure the agnostics, atheists, anti-theists, etc., would perfectly reasonably want THEIR topic too). I don't think the two are necessarily incompatible; think of all the different parts of our lives that run concurrently, as it were. But in practice, people only have so much energy and some discussions thrive at the expense of others. All of which is, I admit, pretty meta. But let's brainstorm this a bit if we want to pursue it, in the full understanding that any principles that evolve will also apply to topics for Wicca, tribal religion, divergent strains of Buddhism, etc. Do we want to do this, and if so, how? (Assume for the moment that the system is what it is and works the way it works now.) Might some of this need, for example, be addressed by formally scheduled chats? E.g. Christian Deadhead chats Tuesday 7 p.m.? (We've done a little experimenting with special-event chats, so this might be doable without disrupting the main chat room.) Anyway, thoughts welcome; no fast moves contemplated.
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Surely the unifying factor here is and should be a love for the Grateful Dead! I like the mix up here with so many beliefs in the same space linked by the dead family, maybe like the crowd at a show. We had a bit of a bumpy start to this forum but now its found a considerate and interested level. No disrespect intended but I find it a bit sad if the Christians (or any other group) feel they really really need their own space separate from everyone else.If that's what you really want and need then that's OK with me I suppose, but please think first; what is that saying to everyone else? There must be lots of websites where Christians or other groups can have some exclusive space if they need that.
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i think CB is correct in thinking that one space fits us all. do we really want to splinter apart, like the GREAT nations of the world, i would cross the border of differing thoughts, would i be welcome? world without borders
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and free flowing exchange of ideas in this topic as it exists right now in this time and space. I want to hear about other peoples thoughts on sprituality even though they may differ from mine in ways, we also have common ground and that is fun to explore and grow with. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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I would like to keep us all together too. I enjoy hearing other people's views too. It just seems there's always someone who has to come out and trash the Bible or Christianity in a very negative and hostile way. You don't see that kind of anger about other religions. After the last exchange nobody came here for a month. It would be nice if someone who isn't a Christian but sees someone attacking us here would post a comment saying "Hey, I'm not a Christian, but we don't put up with that kind of shit on this website, learn to love or take a hike." Let's all get along.
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Christianity wasn't the only religion that was having negative comments made about it here; there were also some about Buddhism and the Dalai Lama. I don't mind having my belief system questioned, it was just kind of relentless, like someone was on a campaign and wouldn't stop even after he had made his point. But that hasn't happened for awhile. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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I couldn't agree more. As mod, I generally don't like to come in and start smacking people around except as a really last and desperate resort. I come from the world of CC's Old School, though as a relative latecomer. Or maybe the Patrick Swayze Roadhouse School, depending on the moment. However, the aforementioned screeds were over the top, and they're also a pretty classic example of stuff that happens every now and then, and how community standards develop. If, as I would fondly hope, we're going to have this kind and congenial and welcoming outpost out here, it takes community members standing up and saying "we don't put up with that kind of shit on this website," rather than just me putting on the mod hat. This time it's about religion-bashing, but next time maybe it's Obama. Or Cuba. Or Israel. Or child-rearing philosophy. Or corporate employers. There is never going to be any shortage of things we disagree about. One of the remarkable things about the whole GD thing is that for several decades it brought together millions of people who would otherwise never have crossed paths, in this seriously intense and life-changing experience, and exposed them to adventures and viewpoints they never would have had otherwise. And by all accounts from the tours of the individual bandmembers' bands of late, it still goes on. I would hate to blow this rare gift by getting bogged down in the things that divide us, and I think finding the balance between feeling free and safe in speaking one's mind and exercising the necessary restraint so one's fellow conversationalists feel likewise--that's essential. It's also real hard to do, and I appreciate the fact.
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here visiting in the land of Zen nothingness... enjoying the sights and sounds of places visited long ago; memories have faded, but beauty and tranquility remain eternal. the fountain of life, the water of love... may it wash over all of us as we bathe together in our love of grateful philosophy, no matter what 'name' religion may have, I am quite certain that somewhere, someplace, Jesus, Buddha, Allah, Vishnu, et al are all hanging around together listening to some shows. marye, dare I ask? The Patrick Swayze Roadhouse School??! A Swayze with any other hairstyle would smell as ____________ (please fill in the blank) yuk yuk yuk... ( -; There is INDEED, plenty of room for diversity here. Diversity in Swayze's hairstyles notwithstanding... love and peace.
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Am curious too about the Patrick Swayze Roadhouse School! ;-) Tell us more about this please marye. My two cents about a Christian thread is am torn. We have threads for all kinds of things, so theoretically such a thread should fit and be welcome, as well as what Hal said about being able to read people's different views. But is also a potential hotbed, as someone's religious beliefs are a highly private and personal thing. Guess I tend to think that THIS thread, for speaking generally about religion and spirituality is just perfect for this forum, and should suffice. ********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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didn't see that coming,marye:) though i'd more perfer the sam elliott doctrine:)
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is what could safely be termed a genre movie, set in one of those bars (probably in Texas) where the band plays behinds a chain-link backstop because of all the flying bottles and the general culture is one of drunken head-bashing. Swayze, as the new boss, training the bouncers in the new regime: "Be nice. Until it's time to not be nice."
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and there I was thinking the Roadhouse thing had something to do with Dirty Dancing, the authority figure, the 'repressed' youths brought up in strict up-bringings... finally getting to cut loose. man, was I way off base. next time I'm in the world, I'll look for that Swayze film in the 'straight to video' video shop. ( -; though I do dig that line, 'be nice until it's time to not be nice' peace.
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in context, it works. I have severely mixed feelings about Dirty Dancing. Keep in mind I haven't seen either movie for like 20 years, so filter accordingly.
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Well said marye. July 12 post. Again showing a very well thought out perspective. A welcome change on issue's these days. Well worth reading,maybe bookmarking. Proud you are the mod :) peace and love,pk
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... if every group offended by a certain previous correspondent got their own forum, poor Marye would be busy for month setting them up! And even if they did there's nothing stopping mean people posting there too. I would venture to suggest that there has been quite a lot of peer moderation here, but not necessarily in the form of telling people how they should behave. As I see it, the site is pretty tolerant of anyone having a bit of a rant and pushing the limits from time to time so long as they don't go on and on; by and large we have managed to calm down by ourselves ;-). Now and then people have been gently asked to take it easy and more often than not have apologised. A common response to emerging nastiness and fights has been to flood the forum with humour and weirdness, which has often done the trick. Only occasionally has Marye had to intervene and then in a way that has been polite, firm and whenever possible constructive. I'd say we were doing quite well really.
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Let's give ourselves collective pat on the back :) Thanks for all of your patience & coolness Marye ~ PEACE
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Blessed to see there are others out there. May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure. Jesus Loves You The Best! greateststoryevertold.org
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also, nice tie-dye.
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Yes, welcome gset-ben! And also yes,Marye you are way cool ( and indelibly patient) .Thanks for your efforts here. They are greatly appreciated. peace,pk
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Good to see you gset-ben. Nice website. Had time to check out the gospel of the grateful dead,nice. Will have to go back for more.
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I'm not particularily religious but I do love to learn, think and philosophize. It could be a safe area for everyone to be vocal about their beliefs and a great tool for folks like me who just want to know more. I believe there are practices from each religion that we can all learn from and appreciate in order to better understand ourselves and others just a 'lil better! Hugs, ~littlebri
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hey now! greetings folks, just want to pop in and say hey now! I took a quick peek at this website, and will look at it in more detail in a few days when I will have about 5 hours to kill in an airport in a far away land... I am not a religious person, but from what I saw here, it looks pretty cool regardless of what someone believes or not. it certainly contains plenty of 'grateful' philosophy that I try to live my life by. thanks for sharing, Ben. greateststoryevertold.org if anyone knows of a similar site that combines Buddhism or Islam or Judaism or Hinduism or whatever with 'grateful' philosophy, please post it up, too. love and peace, cc
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I believe God wants your faith to come from your heart, not your head.
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my question is what is faith and where does it really come from? there are two main definitions. the first is that it is our trust and confidence in something, and the second is that faith is the belief in god or the teachings of a religion. so does faith come from our hearts (trust) or is it in our head (teachings). anyone that has the will to believe really has to look inside of themselves and determine first what faith is to them, and there they will find the answer. In the end, any decisions you make come from your values and virtues not your faith. I believe that this life is part of a series of lives and we ultimitely have to be able to look at ourselves in the mirror at the end of the day and determine what it is that we cherish, what we value and what we can vision. To do this, is a combination of both trust in something (ourselves, religion) and our teachings. ~littlebri
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Very nice observation littlebri, for me faith is a grounding force that comes from those things which speak true to my heart and help me keep on keepin on.
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I have also spent "a lot" of time in the wilderness and have seen things in the sky a few times that I know were "not of this world". I have no doubt that humans are not the "sharpest tools in the shed". There is only one "Book" I know of that has given me a reasonable explanation of what these things might be. Boy, I'll bet everyone thinks I'm nuts now! Bless you all.
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the thing about faith, be it God, Allah, Buddha, Vishnu or whoever or whatever you believe in and have faith in... my faith in God is not nearly as important as God's faith in me, in my humble opinion. love and peace
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faith in yourself is probably the most important kind of faith. it has the ability to make the most significant difference in your life, sometimes you just have to trust yourself. essentially, if someone has the power to believe, then that person also has faith. i think it's safe to say that we all put our faith in the Grateful Dead and can come by that honestly. in a way, it's kinda like putting faith in yourself. the music and lyrics all have a significant meaning to each individual that believes in the dead. i wouldn't call myself a very religious person, but i do listen and learn religiously, a lot of times through music. love and hugs to all ~littlebri
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a good friend of mine always said, "Sunday night witht the Grateful Dead is a religious experience".........we had alot of fun........Gypsy Cowgirl
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i know the fact that the GD have used many religious in lyrics in their songs but i also believe that this was not a kind of missionary thing.believe it if you need it,if you dont just pass it on....well i made the mistake of takin a look at "greateststoryevertold.org"man i have to say that i am not too happy about the fact that i cannot get this page out from my screen anymore,and i also wonder who gave you the right to use SYF with across instead of the bolt.i do not like missionaries because they have been the reason of indigenous people being wiped out,were forbidden to talk their language(because it came from satan),and i would be happy to get this page out of my comp. again.i am sure you can help me.............................
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Hey Frankly-I totally agree with you on the missionary thing-it was the reason indigenous people were wiped out & still are oppressed. Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota is the poorest place in the USA.........don't know what else about the "greateststoryevertold.org" but I'll be sure & not go there-think I saw his writings on here somewhere........thanks for the tip!Gypsy Cowgirl
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In my travels I have met, worked with and heard about missionaries and transparently Christian organisations who work hard to help poor people and to defend the rights and traditions of indigenous groups without trying to persuade or induce people to convert. The approach appears to be to do good works because that is a Christian thing to do. Of course folks who want to convert are welcomed but that does not seem to be the agenda of those involved. These are good people. In contrast to these worthy groups and individuals are the hordes of evangelical missionaries sweeping though Asia with their fierce conviction, intense zeal and stunning ignorance and insensitivity. Their methods are not quite those of the conquistadors but not far off. Much of what they do is in my view not only unethical, it is also against the interests of the people concerned. These missionaries are so convinced they are right they do not take the trouble to learn or understand what people need or want, they wade in with their cash and their crosses and do far more harm than good. Hundreds of years ago missionaries burnt almost all the written records of the Mayan people and today they continue to desecrate cultures more ancient than theirs and far more complex and sophisticated than they know or can be bothered to find out. But as I said, they are not all like that..... in the end being a righteous person is not about what we believe but how we behave. that's my missionary position anyway ;-)
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i do agree with you.there are people who want to help and there are people who want to conquer.so i get a catch on your sentence about desecrating cultures.i know that the cultural movement that is represented by the Grateful Dead is young,but i also know that it is for sure incredibly complex and sophisticated,as it leaves to anybody the possibility to interpret freely the lyrics and to place them on whatever place in each persons spiritual context.the greatest thing is that the SYF is something like a secret symbol that shows that you are part of a BIG community which does not judge you about your believes,philosophies of life etc.but includes you because we are jerrys kids.seeing this symbol with the cross,shows me clearly that these group sees itself as something special..which gives me the idea that they might be part of the second kind of missionaries.peace:-)(-:Frankly
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I understand your point and tend to share your view of missionaries, but, c'mon. Given the cheerful abandon with which the stealie has been adapted for personal artwork of all stripes, and some of it even becoming part of the official offerings (e.g. Space Your Face), I'm not exactly surprised if Deadhead Christians fuse their two most important symbols. I'm sure, for example, I've seen Star of David stealies over the years. (Disclaimer: I do not speak for Grateful Dead Productions here...) And let him who has never dragged a reluctant friend or family member to a Dead show cast the first stone, re missionary zeal. The whole One True Path thing is a big trouble vector, whoever's preaching it.
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"the greatest story ever told" was used as a Bible/Jesus term long, long before the song Hunter insists is actually called "Moses" was written, and indeed that's part of the song's resonance.
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for example the line "ashes ,ashes all fall down"is a recitation of the revelation of st.john also known as the apocalypse...and i am aware of the tons of recitations of this kind appearing in the lyrics.but thats what i am trying to say,everybody is free to place this words in his/her model of believe.the side i saw appeared to me like fishing for new customers..thats only my opinion and i think i have the freedom to share it on this site.likewise everybody else has the freedom to agree with me or not.thats all!!!:-)(-:Peace anyway..Frankly
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Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying I (Jesus) am Christ; and shall deceive many.