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    Bob, Phil, Mickey and Friends Rock for Barack at the Warfield

    Word began to get out on the afternoon of Friday, February 1st, and quickly spread like a prairie fire: Phil Lesh, Mickey Hart and Bob Weir were getting together to play some music for the first time since 2004, in the service of a common cause: the presidential election campaign of Senator Barack Obama. At 5 o'clock that afternoon, tickets went on sale for Dead Heads for Obama, a benefit concert on Monday the 4th at The Warfield in San Francisco, designed to raise funds and get out the vote for Obama in the Super Tuesday primaries being held across the country on the 5th. Not surprisingly, the show sold out in a few minutes, but Dead Heads who couldn't get to the Warfield could avail themselves of a streaming video feed on iclips.net, or pick up the audio on Sirius Satellite Radio's Grateful Dead Channel.

    PressConference

    Photo: Susana Millman

    Just before the band took the stage, Senator Obama himself appeared in virtual form, in a video message recorded especially for the occasion.

    The Senator's stirring words were immediately followed by music that was no less inspired and uplifting. From the first notes, it was clear that Mickey, Bobby and Phil hadn't lost a bit of their ability to read each other's minds and create a musical language unlike any other (as Mickey noted at the pre-concert press conference, "it's in our DNA"). They were aided by a great supporting cast, including Jackie Greene, Steve Molitz and the mighty, mighty John Molo from Phil's latest touring group of Friends, and the most welcome presence of unannounced guests Mark Karan and Barry Sless on guitar and pedal steel, respectively (alternating on some songs, appearing together on others to create a gorgeously orchestrated ensemble sound.

    Photo: Susana Millman

    We'll have more news and photos from this unforgettable evening soon. For the moment we'll just let you know what they played, and remind you to get out there and VOTE!

    DEAD HEADS FOR OBAMA
    The Warfield
    San Francisco, CA
    February 4, 2008

    I.
    Playing in the Band*>Brown-Eyed Women†, Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo†>New Minglewood Blues*, Come Together*

    II. (Acoustic)
    Deep Elem Blues, Friend of the Devil, Deal, Ripple

    III.
    China Cat Sunflower*†>The Wheel*†>The Other One*>Sugaree* Eyes of the World*†>Throwin' Stones*>Iko Iko>*†>Playing reprise*†

    E. U.S. Blues*†%

    Bob Weir, guitar and vocals; Phil Lesh, bass and vocals; Mickey Hart, drums and vocals; John Molo, drums; Jackie Greene, guitar, keyboards and vocals; Steve Molitz, keyboards and vocals.

    * with Mark Karan, guitar; †with Barry Sless, pedal steel guitar; %with Hippie Bill, flag

     

     

    Some Reflections on the Warfield Show…


    By Blair Jackson


    Many fingers in the air looking for tickets as we arrive at the already forming line outside the Warfield around 4:30, an hour and a half before the doors open. One person offers $300 for a single ticket… Cold winds are whipping down Market Street; many people are under-dressed for the chill… A couple of small, noisy pro-Obama marches go past the line a couple of times… With door opening at 6 and literally every person having to go through will-call, the odds do not look good for everyone getting through the ever-lengthening line by the 7:30 showtime… About half an hour before doors they decide to split the line alphabetically, A-J and K-Z, causing much temporary confusion and frustration and re-jockeying for position. We luck out and move ahead about 20 feet when all the K-Z’s in front of us depart… We get in pretty quickly and score an excellent spot on the first level behind the pit with some friends. We are surprised to see large TV cameras in the center spot right off the pit; we’re thinking the webcast could be pretty cool and call my teenage daughter at home to tell her about it…The place fills up very slowly, which could only mean one thing: the line is moving slowwwwwwly, with nerves on the street no doubt fraying as the 7:30 start time approaches…. But 7:30 is just a number, it turns out, and it’s a whole ‘nother hour before the lights finally dim, a screen lurches down in front of the Warfield’s big red curtain, and there’s Barack himself, on his campaign plane, saying howdy and thanking Bobby, Phil and Mickey for putting the event together. Lots of whooping and hollering; it’s a cool moment, though we all laugh when he tells us to sit down and enjoy the concert—obviously never been to a Dead show!


    The curtain rises and it’s a septet onstage, left to right: Steve Molitz, Bob, John Molo, Phil, Mark Karan, Jackie Greene and Mickey. They waste no time launching into “Playing in the Band,” with everyone hitting their marks nicely and a big jam ensuing, driven mostly by Mark Karan, who throughout the evening, is the guy who really pushes the envelope in song after song. So great to have him back, maybe better than ever. Phil is all smiles watching Karan get into it, and the rapport that Mark and Bob have had for years together in RatDog is instantly apparent… “Brown-Eyed Women,” with Jackie on lead vocals, Barry Sless joining the fray on sweet pedal steel, comes next. The sound is still coming together and even standing in front of Jackie’s area, I can’t hear his vocal too well. Karan, is a monster on this song, too…. “Half-Step” gets Phil up to the mic and this version really soars, especially the back half with the solos and the “across the Rio Grande-io” singalong…. After a bluesy Bob-sung “Minglewood” (with Jackie on organ, sounding good), the short first set closes with The Beatles’ “Come Together,” a RatDog staple for a while, but new to Phil and his band. Co-sung by Bob and Mark, it's chunky and snaky, with a nice little jam at the close… All in all, well-played, less tentative than I’d expected. The vibes onstage and in the crowd are good!


    Phil comes out in front of the curtain a few minutes later to talk about how he’s fired up about Obama, and that he represents our chance to really change the direction this country if headed, a sentiment echoed by Bob and Mickey, who also come out briefly to talk about the importance of voting…. I call my daughter and she informs me she couldn’t get the webcast, a complaint, alas, echoed by many… A while later, the curtain rises again and the stage is set up for an acoustic set, with Phil and his stand-up bass looming in the center. Bob leads the band down to the mean streets of “Deep Elem,” then spearheads a spry version of “Friend of the Devil.” Jackie sings a rockin’ acoustic version of “Deal” and then the mini-set concludes with a lovely, poignant “Ripple,” with the Warfield Chorus of 2,000 helping out at the end, of course.


    Set Three turns out to be the Big One, where it all falls together in that magical way we’ve seen so many times before--sound is perfect, everything is clicking… “China Cat” is sparkling and in the jam following the tune, Bob and Mark and Phil really get the thunder going… You can hear “The Wheel” pulling itself together for a long spell before it actually arrives, and this version is great, one of the real highlights of the show, with five guys in the band harmonizing, the playing powerful and precise, the peaks as big as you’d want ’em… That eventually rolls into an extended, heavily jammed-out “Other One,” which finds the guitar army onstage slashing and crashing and building and receding, only to build again, many times. At the close of the second verse, it sounds like they might go into the “Cryptical” reprise, but instead it drops into “Sugaree,” with Jackie on lead, about which I can only say, WOW! This has become one of Mr. Greene’s best tunes in P&F (and he’s been playing it with his own band, as well) and he freakin’ nails it at the Warfield. He and Mark and Steve are all magnificent soloing between the verses—in fact, after one of the last solos, the crowd erupted into a sustained ovation for half a minute or so before the last verse!... I love Barry on the steel for the loping “Eyes of the World.” In fact, I loved Barry on every song he played on; a great addition to the line-up… It seems somehow appropriate that Bob chooses to play “Throwing Stones” at what is ostensibly a political event (“Well, the kids they dance, they shake their bones/While the politicians throwing stones”), although he always said the song was anti-political--so is it ironic, then? Who knows… I totally assume that “Not Fade Away” will follow, but am pleasantly surprised to instead be treated to “Iko-Iko” (the night before the real Mardi Gras.) Mickey barks it with spirit and gusto and the crowd is in deep party mode by that point, clapping and singing along, of course… And then, to close the third set, the music meanders back to where it had started, as the “Playing reprise” emerges from some fascinating, dissonant extrapolations on the “Playing” riff before resolving joyously--as it must!... Encore is “U.S. Blues,” sung by Bob, punctuated by a grey-bearded guy named Hippie Bill running across the back of the stage waving a giant American flag on the first two choruses, and then, to wild cheers, a version of the flag with a peace sign where the stars would be; I think, “Yeah, that’s my flag!”

    We rocked. And I voted...

    Photos by Bob Minkin

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    I was there....I didn't see any shilling. I didn't see much establishment. I saw 4 of my favorite musicians reunite on a stage to create awareness about a guy they all believe in. 3 of them spoke VERY briefly about it. We had to listen to a few people we've never heard of spew a little bit and we got to see a few of the members of the PSU Football squad. Other than that, we got to see Truckin > Jam > US Blues, Playin' > Dark Star, Saint Stephen > Unbroken Chain, The Other One > Throwin' Stones > Playin Reprise, followed by an encore of Touch > NFA. I don't know about you, but I had a great Monday night. Last night I went to a hockey game with my daughter - the Penguins won - and tonight I get to watch our future president debate an old "war hero". I live in America and we need government. That's life. Bohemia doesn't exist. Barack Obama has the right vision for this country. He may not accomplish everything he wants to in 8 years, but he deserves the chance over every one else who's running. ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
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    16 years 2 months ago
    shilling for obama
    im not sure i like seeing my favorite band shill for an ESTABLISHMENT candidate or any candidate for that matter...
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Word began to get out on the afternoon of Friday, February 1st, and quickly spread like a prairie fire: Phil Lesh, Mickey Hart and Bob Weir were getting together to play some music for the first time since 2004, in the service of a common cause: the presidential election campaign of Senator Barack Obama. At 5 o'clock that afternoon, tickets went on sale for Dead Heads for Obama, a benefit concert on Monday the 4th at The Warfield in San Francisco, designed to raise funds and get out the vote for Obama in the Super Tuesday primaries being held across the country on the 5th. Not surprisingly, the show sold out in a few minutes, but Dead Heads who couldn't get to the Warfield could avail themselves of a streaming video feed on iclips.net, or pick up the audio on Sirius Satellite Radio's Grateful Dead Channel.

PressConference

Photo: Susana Millman

Just before the band took the stage, Senator Obama himself appeared in virtual form, in a video message recorded especially for the occasion.

The Senator's stirring words were immediately followed by music that was no less inspired and uplifting. From the first notes, it was clear that Mickey, Bobby and Phil hadn't lost a bit of their ability to read each other's minds and create a musical language unlike any other (as Mickey noted at the pre-concert press conference, "it's in our DNA"). They were aided by a great supporting cast, including Jackie Greene, Steve Molitz and the mighty, mighty John Molo from Phil's latest touring group of Friends, and the most welcome presence of unannounced guests Mark Karan and Barry Sless on guitar and pedal steel, respectively (alternating on some songs, appearing together on others to create a gorgeously orchestrated ensemble sound.

Photo: Susana Millman

We'll have more news and photos from this unforgettable evening soon. For the moment we'll just let you know what they played, and remind you to get out there and VOTE!

DEAD HEADS FOR OBAMA
The Warfield
San Francisco, CA
February 4, 2008

I.
Playing in the Band*>Brown-Eyed Women†, Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo†>New Minglewood Blues*, Come Together*

II. (Acoustic)
Deep Elem Blues, Friend of the Devil, Deal, Ripple

III.
China Cat Sunflower*†>The Wheel*†>The Other One*>Sugaree* Eyes of the World*†>Throwin' Stones*>Iko Iko>*†>Playing reprise*†

E. U.S. Blues*†%

Bob Weir, guitar and vocals; Phil Lesh, bass and vocals; Mickey Hart, drums and vocals; John Molo, drums; Jackie Greene, guitar, keyboards and vocals; Steve Molitz, keyboards and vocals.

* with Mark Karan, guitar; †with Barry Sless, pedal steel guitar; %with Hippie Bill, flag

 

 

Some Reflections on the Warfield Show…


By Blair Jackson


Many fingers in the air looking for tickets as we arrive at the already forming line outside the Warfield around 4:30, an hour and a half before the doors open. One person offers $300 for a single ticket… Cold winds are whipping down Market Street; many people are under-dressed for the chill… A couple of small, noisy pro-Obama marches go past the line a couple of times… With door opening at 6 and literally every person having to go through will-call, the odds do not look good for everyone getting through the ever-lengthening line by the 7:30 showtime… About half an hour before doors they decide to split the line alphabetically, A-J and K-Z, causing much temporary confusion and frustration and re-jockeying for position. We luck out and move ahead about 20 feet when all the K-Z’s in front of us depart… We get in pretty quickly and score an excellent spot on the first level behind the pit with some friends. We are surprised to see large TV cameras in the center spot right off the pit; we’re thinking the webcast could be pretty cool and call my teenage daughter at home to tell her about it…The place fills up very slowly, which could only mean one thing: the line is moving slowwwwwwly, with nerves on the street no doubt fraying as the 7:30 start time approaches…. But 7:30 is just a number, it turns out, and it’s a whole ‘nother hour before the lights finally dim, a screen lurches down in front of the Warfield’s big red curtain, and there’s Barack himself, on his campaign plane, saying howdy and thanking Bobby, Phil and Mickey for putting the event together. Lots of whooping and hollering; it’s a cool moment, though we all laugh when he tells us to sit down and enjoy the concert—obviously never been to a Dead show!


The curtain rises and it’s a septet onstage, left to right: Steve Molitz, Bob, John Molo, Phil, Mark Karan, Jackie Greene and Mickey. They waste no time launching into “Playing in the Band,” with everyone hitting their marks nicely and a big jam ensuing, driven mostly by Mark Karan, who throughout the evening, is the guy who really pushes the envelope in song after song. So great to have him back, maybe better than ever. Phil is all smiles watching Karan get into it, and the rapport that Mark and Bob have had for years together in RatDog is instantly apparent… “Brown-Eyed Women,” with Jackie on lead vocals, Barry Sless joining the fray on sweet pedal steel, comes next. The sound is still coming together and even standing in front of Jackie’s area, I can’t hear his vocal too well. Karan, is a monster on this song, too…. “Half-Step” gets Phil up to the mic and this version really soars, especially the back half with the solos and the “across the Rio Grande-io” singalong…. After a bluesy Bob-sung “Minglewood” (with Jackie on organ, sounding good), the short first set closes with The Beatles’ “Come Together,” a RatDog staple for a while, but new to Phil and his band. Co-sung by Bob and Mark, it's chunky and snaky, with a nice little jam at the close… All in all, well-played, less tentative than I’d expected. The vibes onstage and in the crowd are good!


Phil comes out in front of the curtain a few minutes later to talk about how he’s fired up about Obama, and that he represents our chance to really change the direction this country if headed, a sentiment echoed by Bob and Mickey, who also come out briefly to talk about the importance of voting…. I call my daughter and she informs me she couldn’t get the webcast, a complaint, alas, echoed by many… A while later, the curtain rises again and the stage is set up for an acoustic set, with Phil and his stand-up bass looming in the center. Bob leads the band down to the mean streets of “Deep Elem,” then spearheads a spry version of “Friend of the Devil.” Jackie sings a rockin’ acoustic version of “Deal” and then the mini-set concludes with a lovely, poignant “Ripple,” with the Warfield Chorus of 2,000 helping out at the end, of course.


Set Three turns out to be the Big One, where it all falls together in that magical way we’ve seen so many times before--sound is perfect, everything is clicking… “China Cat” is sparkling and in the jam following the tune, Bob and Mark and Phil really get the thunder going… You can hear “The Wheel” pulling itself together for a long spell before it actually arrives, and this version is great, one of the real highlights of the show, with five guys in the band harmonizing, the playing powerful and precise, the peaks as big as you’d want ’em… That eventually rolls into an extended, heavily jammed-out “Other One,” which finds the guitar army onstage slashing and crashing and building and receding, only to build again, many times. At the close of the second verse, it sounds like they might go into the “Cryptical” reprise, but instead it drops into “Sugaree,” with Jackie on lead, about which I can only say, WOW! This has become one of Mr. Greene’s best tunes in P&F (and he’s been playing it with his own band, as well) and he freakin’ nails it at the Warfield. He and Mark and Steve are all magnificent soloing between the verses—in fact, after one of the last solos, the crowd erupted into a sustained ovation for half a minute or so before the last verse!... I love Barry on the steel for the loping “Eyes of the World.” In fact, I loved Barry on every song he played on; a great addition to the line-up… It seems somehow appropriate that Bob chooses to play “Throwing Stones” at what is ostensibly a political event (“Well, the kids they dance, they shake their bones/While the politicians throwing stones”), although he always said the song was anti-political--so is it ironic, then? Who knows… I totally assume that “Not Fade Away” will follow, but am pleasantly surprised to instead be treated to “Iko-Iko” (the night before the real Mardi Gras.) Mickey barks it with spirit and gusto and the crowd is in deep party mode by that point, clapping and singing along, of course… And then, to close the third set, the music meanders back to where it had started, as the “Playing reprise” emerges from some fascinating, dissonant extrapolations on the “Playing” riff before resolving joyously--as it must!... Encore is “U.S. Blues,” sung by Bob, punctuated by a grey-bearded guy named Hippie Bill running across the back of the stage waving a giant American flag on the first two choruses, and then, to wild cheers, a version of the flag with a peace sign where the stars would be; I think, “Yeah, that’s my flag!”

We rocked. And I voted...

Photos by Bob Minkin

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To alienate a rabid fan such as myself by supporting a specific candidate (same party), is not the way that you all have ever played the game. If you had, then I might not have caught so many shows before and AFTER 95'.I still hold nothing but love and respect (if not awe) for you all, but really this leaves me with an even deeper case of the usblues. Peace...
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what he said.
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Glad to see that the former Grateful Dead support Obama, I am sure Jerry would too. Go OBAMA! :) Get out and vote! ___________________________ Oh, what I want to know is are you kind?
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would have been in hawai that day.he never supported such events:-)(-:
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would have been in hawai that day.he never supported such events:-)(-:
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I am going to spoil the party. I have been a Deadhead since 1971 which is longer the most and I am only 47 now, so do the math. Just to let everyone know there are some conservative deadheads like me out there who don't believe Obama's rhetoric and that aren't voting for his socialist agenda. God Bless the Grateful Dead and John McCain.
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James, Thanks for taking the lead and posting to represent the conservative deadheads out there. I am sure we are in the minority. I too am not falling for the rhetoric and socialist agenda. Rock on!
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that ann coulter is a dead head
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and it causes me to wonder what she was paying attention to while at shows. It's not her politics I object to; lots of my good friends are conservatives, as are lots of people I admire, and I'm pretty darn unaligned myself, it depends on the issue at hand. But how you can be that mean and claim to be a Deadhead I do not understand.
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"Everyone knows somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us." Jerry, in aaaahhhh either ' 68 or aaaaah, '72 theoldmandowntheroad "So now as I'm leavin' I'm weary as Hell The confusion I'm feelin' ain't no tongue can tell The words fill my head and fall to the floor If God's on our side He'll stop the next war."
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sandbergpete "So now as I'm leavin' I'm weary as Hell The confusion I'm feelin' ain't no tongue can tell The words fill my head and fall to the floor If God's on our side He'll stop the next war."
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http://www.stv.tv/info/articlesReutersEntertainment/20080630/Dead_veter… Mickey Hart: "We're not making plans, but I think we stand at the ready to be of service, We're all deeply into this, into Barack Obama and the thought of taking this country back in some shape or form, what's left of it -- it's probably one thing we can all agree on! So, you bet, I would spend a night with my brothers for that any time, any place." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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Politics divide people. It causes separation anger and angst for those who may disagree. I can't believe the remaining members of the Grateful Dead would use the music of generations to prostitute for a politician. Obama [b]is[/b] a politician. A greasy, nasty deceitful politician, just like the ones before and the current ones. What makes him different from LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush??? Not a thing. Why after 40 years are they now becoming politically active? They do know that this guy would have fried a Grateful Dead in their prime; they were after all, a traveling circus of felonies. They have always been a political, or anti-political, which was the way it should have been For the remaining members to use [i]our[/i] music to promote a nasty deceitful politician makes me sick. They certainly have "lent a hand to raise a flag upon a ship of fools." A sinking dirty nasty ship....Arrrg, I need a shower.
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This "dead head" does not support Obama. Nice to see the guys back together but jeepers creepers.
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This "dead head" does not support Obama as well. Just to comment on what Floppy said, one of the things that I appreciated about the Grateful Dead was their non-political stance and not being felt I am being preached to when I listen to their music. Rock on1
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The remaining "band members" can do what they want. I really don't give a dead. But this community is way too diverse in opinions, philosophies, and political views. Plus there is often disagreement over what was a good show too.
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Really hate to see the guys getting on this bandwagon....think I'll start "Deadheads for NONE OF THE ABOVE!" Anyone? I think Jerry would like it.
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Nobody for President is a fine Deadhead tradition...
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..." one man gone and another to go..." I'd like to know how many 'heads would support any Republican.... After Nixon & Agnew, & especially with W, folks should know better!!
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The point is that this music is unity, joy, peace, honesty, brotherhood...everything that politics is not. It doesn't matter who anyone is voting for, it is using this music which is timeless and eternal for something as petty and frivolous as a political campaign. It cheapens the music. This music means to much to to many people to divide them along political boundaries. Peace be to all!
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This strikes me as very, very weird... I'd venture to say that Jerry would certainly NOT have approved of the Dead and their fans being dragged straight into the heart of some partisan political battle. Jerry was morally and intellectually superior to both Republicans and Democrats. Too bad the surviving members band are not. Many Deadhead's who respect the band's work in the area of environmental advocacy and community outreach are scratching their heads over this one. There was a time when all things Dead centered on music and the musical community. These days it would seem it's now about music, community and raising money for politicians... Weird indeed. I know I'm not the only one who never thought the long strange trip would end on the floor of some political convention with members of the band cheering emphatically for a candidate for US President.
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SORRY FOLKS, BUT THERE IS NO BAND WITHOUT JERRY GARCIA. AND THEM PLUGGING A POLITICIAN IS TRULY LAME.
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I WANT...I WANT....JERRY WOULDN'T DO THIS....JERRY WOULDN'T DO THAT..... You folks have such strong opinions - which is good - but it's exactly the only thing they are: OPINIONS. NONE of you have any idea, and I don't care if your first name is Tiff. You don't know. 2008 is a VASTLY different time than 1995 was. Sorry. You can whine, bitch & moan all you want...you have no idea. Neither do I. I'm not claiming ol' Jer would be on board, but I most certainly do not discount that theory. What do you think Jerry might say if he saw the state of the current economy? What would he say 7 years after we've sent our kids into a meaningless war? What would he say to all of those things after living up to that point? The answer? YOU'LL NEVER KNOW. Get off your high horses and quit yer namecalling. Lame. Taking a stand against anything or for anything of worth is far from lame. What's lame is judging people. ~ Pappy "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right."
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im not sure i like seeing my favorite band shill for an ESTABLISHMENT candidate or any candidate for that matter...
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I was there....I didn't see any shilling. I didn't see much establishment. I saw 4 of my favorite musicians reunite on a stage to create awareness about a guy they all believe in. 3 of them spoke VERY briefly about it. We had to listen to a few people we've never heard of spew a little bit and we got to see a few of the members of the PSU Football squad. Other than that, we got to see Truckin > Jam > US Blues, Playin' > Dark Star, Saint Stephen > Unbroken Chain, The Other One > Throwin' Stones > Playin Reprise, followed by an encore of Touch > NFA. I don't know about you, but I had a great Monday night. Last night I went to a hockey game with my daughter - the Penguins won - and tonight I get to watch our future president debate an old "war hero". I live in America and we need government. That's life. Bohemia doesn't exist. Barack Obama has the right vision for this country. He may not accomplish everything he wants to in 8 years, but he deserves the chance over every one else who's running. ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter