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    at the risk of overkill here....(thrash fans will understand the subject header). i'm well aware that this interview has probably been seen and commented on in the past, but being as i am, in this kinda mood this afternoon, if Suzanne Shaw hasn't suffered unbearably in her life, or better still, retired to the nearest infested ditch somewhere; can anyone name any other conversations and reportage where the truth has been so tiresomely distorted, so abundantly twisted; self-glorified showboating and miserable ego stroking. look at the state of her; a less charitable man than Jerry would have pissed in her face and reduced that lacquered hairdo to the bleached stringy sag that would and should have bind around her neck and strangle her. bitter and frustrated today? yeah, i guess.... that'll teach me for watching the news at 5.30am. heinous oxygen thief, lightened by the glow of Jerry is here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd-sxnfO8xE
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    jonapi! mean and pointless and feels like you slapped me********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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    jonapi is oh so special; because i'm worth it.
    "buddhism hasn't taught you modesty and humbleness"???!!! i present you with a first class display of cack-handedness!!! what was that about being judgmental?........ sorry, man. getting carried away! who cares, right? in fact, TigerLilly has been rather quiet recently, let's all pick on her; bloody do-gooder.......!!!!! "i like African drum circles, i know how to use a camera......". hee heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    classic Keiser Report episode today about Christine Lagarde - "Lagarde's solution to the current crisis is to actually make money cheaper, which of course is going to drive more slavery, make goods cheaper, and will make the current problem much worse. Because, after all, she represents the kleptocrats, the oligarchs and the slave dealers; she's the Slave Master!". one of the arguments she poses for how European Banks can recapitalize is to borrow from this new 440 billion euro European stabilization fund; so more debt. "the new European stabilization fund starts off in debt, it's bankrupt from Day One. So her idea is to borrow from this bankrupt institution, which only means that the debt to equity ratio for the global banking system is to be expanded; there's no other solution that she can possibly come up with because she's just an academic neo-liberal wonk, who's only purpose in life is to theoretically come up with new ways to expand the debt burden. Her solutions are absolutely anathema to something that would be beneficial to anyone except debt peddlers of whom she represents!". way to go Max.
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    this is the current events topic. I've removed your post because this is not the venue for it, but I see you have found the All About My Band topic, which is. Thanks. ME the moderator
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    absolutely cosmicbadger, well put.that pretend buddy-dom is particularly odious. sincerity is key. my wife is consistently irritated by people in England at her workplace who continually borrow money, or take sweets or use things without ever making an effort to replace or do likewise. 99% of the time that just doesn't happen in Japan. a "friend" is a close companion, a confident; it's not a term splashed around willy-nilly. you remember etiquette. which in some sad cases is disappearing among the younger generation. and thanks to the US's grip on that country, both in political influence and in culture, it's changing at an alarming rate. now it would be silly of me to say "americans" en masse now wouldn't it?
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    sorry lamagonzo, you truly know nothing of what you're talking about on this one.perfectly entitled to have an opinion of course, however ill-informed, deluded and bizarre it may be. in no way is any culture or country perfect but i get the feeling you're probably this judgmental about everyone, so no matter. and again, another correction; please do NOT mention soka gakkai in the same sentence as buddhism. it does NOT have a mantra and no other practice can be a "different sect" from it because it has NOTHING to do with buddhism in any way, shape or form. any of their mantras or texts are faked. and i know what gaijin means thank you. the word is the shortened form of gaikokujin which means "person from outside Japan" or "outside the country". just like "foreigner" in english it can be used in a derogatory context but that is not the actual meaning of the word. only stupid politically correct assholes have decided that it could be offensive. it isn't. and by the way, i've never had that problem in Japan. people tend to react to you in the way in which you treat them; if you do a little research and learn another country's customs before you travel; if you treat others with respect and observe a country's rules and mannerisms you will have absolutely no problem. it is the people who bowl over there jumping queues, shouting and swearing, pissing in doorways, smoking where you shouldn't etc. and generally being an "idiot abroad" that deserve the treatment they get. this goes for any country. it's usually loud, thick, arrogant, overbearing, obnoxious behaviour that offends people. maybe shying away from confrontation and criticising behind people's back is the more charitable way of dealing with it. you do that in some parts of the UK and they'll kick your head to a bloody pulp. i don't think i'll ever figure you out lamagonzo! obviously buddhism hasn't taught you modesty and humbleness. treat each person individually not in great swathes of generalisation. maybe they tear you a new one behind your back because you deserve it?
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    I think your analysis is rather simplistic, Gonzo. I spent many years living and working in SE Asia and have some experience of this, dealing with everyone from ordinary folks to government ministers. The ‘Asian way’ is not wrong or bad, it is just different and it is up to us to learn to understand it. Formal meetings and many social interactions are conducted in a polite, respectful way because it is very rude to draw undue attention to yourself and others in such situations. Nothing wrong with that. Careful attention to what is being said often provides clues to how the other party is really feeling….and if you are relying on translation you easily miss these. That can be a problem; I have known several people who have overlooked what were considered to be clear warning signs and suddenly found themselves persona non grata. Similarly you have to learn ways to get your messages across. Often the real ‘getting to know you’ and deal making is done in less formal circumstances and it is easy for outsiders to relax too much when out drinking or socialising and miss the opportunity to find out what the real agendas are. Yes it is hard, but for outsiders in the US (including me) the combination of in your face macho posturing and pretend buddy-dom in many social interactions can be just as confusing and offensive.
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    Think about it this way, Jonapi
    The word "Gaijin" means foreigner and has a negative connotation. Even though you are married to a Japanese woman you will always be "Gaijin" in that society. People will look at you differently and think you have body odor until they get to know you. Using these kind of terms and having these assumptions, I believe them to be arrogant. Plus, I base my opinion on my dealings with Japanese monks and nuns in this country. Not the SG crazies, but Nipponzan Mjohoji (same mantra, different sect). Then there is the oriental culture of politeness to your face while they tear you a new one behind your back. All oriental cultures have it but it is really quite unbearable with the Chinese and the Japanese. This is my opinion. You know what they say about opinions,,, Everybody has one.
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    'm afraid you leapt before you looked lamagonzo.i didn't distort any facts; i never denied any descent from Koreans. i never mentioned anything about what they did in the past. maybe a re-read is in order? if you look again, my first sentence is questioning your quote about their supposed "incredible arrogance". which is nonsense. from some quarters of government maybe but since when did anyone pay attention to politicians to inform us of a nation's personality traits? sweeping statements such as those just seem to glorify your own thoughts on matters not the actual truth. and yes, i do that too sometimes, guilty as charged sir!, but don't expect me to overlook a comment that is horseshit. every country has done horrific things in the past. but we live in 2011. i know you're full of facts about injustices on every damn culture but let it go. my initial post was highlighting the worrying influence of South Korea in all areas of Japanese political life. nothing to do with dredging up shock quotes about women in brothels and suppressing the ainu. that is government, not the overwhelming majority of the country's peaceful, humble citizens. does this mean if i post a positive topic about Germany i'm going to be hit with facts and figures about the Nazis and what they did to the jews? move on. my wife is Japanese, we visit there regularly, we are moving there permanently next year. we know about Japan, believe me. superior arrogance and flaunting in the face of others? learn the language, visit there more often, live there for a time and speak to the population. also, i'm curious; what prompted you to mention buddhist monks in the first place? i am really hoping it had nothing to do with me writing about soka gakkei. If you want to talk corruption look into those scumbags; they are a manipulative, murderous cult that has zero to do with buddhism and are spreading their ugly tentacles into politics, business, finance and intimidation. if you want to campaign about something and highlight abuse and real injustice, investigate these guys. just be careful as your phone will be bugged, you will be followed and possibly dumped in a river wearing concrete shoes. right, now let's dig up something about those Vermont citizens; misdemeanors in the past i'll bet. must be a couple of pedophiles in there somewhere. maybe the nuclear company there have an employee with a disabled child with aids that needs caring for, hence the reason for keeping the plant open. none of which would have anything to do with the fact that nuclear energy is dangerous and that the local people should be supported. how many zen buddhists does it take to change a light bulb? none. they ARE the light bulb........
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Nuclear power! Carcinogenic cell phones! The Stanley Cup! and the usual parade of kids dancing and shaking their bones, politicians throwing stones, etc. Discuss.

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Although the popular vote will be very close the Democratic "Get-Out-The-Vote" operation will be blistering and Obama has a n 86% chance of winning the eletoral vote. The Romulans and Republicans in general lied and lied and lied and attacked women's reproductive rights, among every other decent thing under the sun. After a ton of hard work we should be all raising a glass of champagne to 4 more years of progressive policies. Many thanks to Bruce Springsteen for his efforts in support of the president!
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Will make a huge difference all around the world from Dubai to Mumbai to Shanghai. Like it or not you're a citizen of the Empire with all the rights and responsibilities. Jerry didn't give it any energy. Phil & Bob helped Obama four years ago. The Grateful Dead/Rex/Furthur support(ed) progressive policies that come from people like Barak Obama. I hate to sound pedantic, but this is the most important election until a progressive third party breaks through.
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and in the spirit of reaching across party lines, may some healing vibes and quality organic salve be applied to romney's booty for the severe spanking he received from his home state of massachusetts............ouch! "when life looks like easy street, .................."
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Congratulations to the President: may he enjoy a successful second term. Thank you all, especially the women voters, for supporting Barack Obama and surviving the barrage of negative advertising aka Rove and the Koch brothers. Washington and Colorado passed initiatives legalizing the recreational use of marijuana: wonder how long it will take Kansas to step in that direction??
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A truly great, Lincolnesque victory speech to a crowd of of 10k campaign workers who had to spend at least 20 hours knocking on doors. We should all hope that Republicans come to their senses and work to ensure health care, cuts in the military and a way to stop the interest on the national debt from going nuclear. In the words of Bush after his re-election: "I have earned political capital and i intend to use it." Bring it Mr. Obama!
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Democratic demographics: lost white men won blacks won hispanics won woman (single, married, single moms) won asians The Republicans are dead!
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Let's just say I have friends and family of all political persuasions, and I don't choose either for their politics. That said, I'm finding the plight of my lifelong-Republican sister, who cannot believe the hijacking of her party by the loonies, pretty interesting.
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reminds me of lama gonzo in some ways. Good wishes to either, or both?
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That Gonzo done good this election cycle. Anna, if you're in touch, send him congrats.
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when second congressional district representative tammy baldwin was elected to the u.s. house of representatives, displacing a genuinely shocked tommy thompson (good riddance)! tammy will be the 77th woman in the house, the first woman from wisconsin in the house, and the very first non-incumbent, openly gay person to serve in congress. she is a true progressive and a leading advocate for universal healthcare, energy independence, civil rights and women's reproductive rights. i will probably never see the day when women rule the house and the senate ( or the country) with their hearts and their minds, but it sure did my heart good on tuesday night to see that this politically bipolar state thought with their hearts and minds and made history by electing a TRUE representative of the people. way to go wisconsin and congratulations to tammy baldwin! and . . . . . . .since this is called "trouble ahead, trouble behind" i'll say -- with reservation: the house remains red the senate is blue once again obama is screwed! the obstructionistic behavior from boehner and norquist and company has already started in full force and it looks likely that pres. obama is going to have one hell of a fight on his hands for the next 4 years (again) with these assholes. i sincerely hope i'm wrong.
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The only thing is now the legislature and governorship in WI is single-party controlled...
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hence the "politically bipolar". sure don't know how the hell tea party muppet scott walker got voted in as gov. along with a tea party majority state congress and then folks here turn around and vote for tammy over tommy, but it happened. glad, too. she's a great change from this state's "norm" ploliticos and a good seed to have been planted. you know what else, wtj? one of my favorite pastries is an eclaire...... :))))))))))) hehehe
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73 Saturday > 23 Monday, in KC. Thanks to those of us who pushed for, participated in and contributed to the recent reelection of our US president. Like Marye mentioned, I too have an older sister hell-bent on voting Republican, regardless of who they are and what they stand for. I hope Congress will avert the fiscal cliff dilemma now facing us. Don't laugh too hard when the Chiefs get throttled in Pittsburgh tonight on national tv....
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- from an ex-doorman who used to load his limos every other weekend for the hamptons and would receive a check for $50 at the holidays from the wealthiest resident of 740 park avenue, n.y. -- exclusive home of more billionaires than any other address in the u.s. this youn man was fired as a doorman from 740 park avenue when he inadvertantly opened the limo doors in "incorrect sequence", thus causing the poor billionaire's ego some undue and unwarranted distress .........
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The Republicans may be down but they are not out. When Obama and the liberals have spent the US into bankruptcy in 4 years, the Republicans will rise again and save the country.
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Stalin had a word for you Obama lackies - useful idiots. Voting for your own demise. Obamacare puts your health into the hands of big, bloated out of touch government. 2700 pages of rules, taxes and regulation. Try reading a page sometime. Not one person who voted for it read it. 2700 pages written by lobbyists and special intrest groups. It has already increased health care costs. If it was so good, why was the subject avoided on this year's campaign trail? Why wasn't it implimented immidiatly? Why don't the eletists who voted for it subject themselves to it? San Fran Nan (Pelosi) idiotically stated " We have to pass the bill to find out what is in it" - How stuipid! (For good reading some day look into how her Starkist Tuna operation in American Samoa benefitted from the stimulus package). Socialism has never worked and will never work. Piven, Ayers, Alinsky - smart people - They know how to turn their followers into useful idiots. Don't fall into the trap. I remember the sadness I felt when it was announced that Woodstock was a "free" concert. Many people worked countless hours to deliver a great product. The glee from people who stormed onto the concert site was disappointing. The generation who wanted something for nothing is now stealing from future generations to bolster their own power. We are trillions in debt. A trillion seconds ago it was 29,000 B.C. I despise government and want less of it. Look for candidates who promote freedom, property rights and individual liberty. Oooo freedom, Oooooo Liberty.
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It is okay to disagree here. It is not okay to call people names. Cut it out. ME, forum moderator
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are flying their flags at half mast
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the cupcakes with the squiggles on top any more? Back in the '50s, those things were hot stuff. Of course, back in the '50s they were probably made with real food ingredients, too.
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loved one of their products so much, they immortalized it in a song....... :) ...... (that's my belief and i'm stickin' with it) @mike: "a world without twinkies, ho hos,and ding dongs" who among us would be left? :D.....lol
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I loved those little cupcakes. I would peel off the frosting skin and eat that first before making my way to the cake. Life used to be so simple.
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The arctic ice cap melted down to a record 24% ice-cap (in other words 76% ice free). 97% of the Greenland ice sheet was melting this year. Read the article from the NY Times @ nytimes.com/2012/09/20/science/earth/arctic-sea-ice-stops-melting-but-new-record-low-is-set.html?_r=0. 350.org, an environmental group crunching the numbers, with the help of Price, Warterhouse, Coopers, says that 2% is the amount of global rise in temperature that can be tolerated (a figure accepted by scientists worldwide). We are at 1%. The amount of carbon that can be spewed in the air before we reach that 2%, total, is 587 gigatons. The amount of carbon based fuels stockpiled ALREADY, by companies such as Exxon-Mobil and Peabody coal is 2800 gigatons. The Keystone Pipeline will be the first environmental test for the Obama Administration. Even if he doesn't go after that project there are other projects in the works to bring tar sands oil to export from the Gulf of Mexico states. Sandy showed our planet is changing. Extremes are the new norm. There is a large measure of psychic-numbing out there. Not to mention poor people in W. Virginia in the coal industry wanting their jobs in coal and being forced by their companies to contribute to Romney super-pacs. Global warming is mutating our planet. It doesn't matter who is to blame. I hope the restored Rex Foundation gives 350.org a grant. There is no place to live, no matter how much money you have, not to be effected by this.
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"A system of conservation based solely on economic self-interest is hopelessly lopsided. It tends to ignore, and thus eventually to eliminate, many elements in the land community that lack commercial value, but that are (as far as we know) essential to its healthy functioning. It assumes, falsely, I think, that the economic parts of the biotic clock will function without the uneconomic parts. It tends to relegate to government many functions eventually too large, too complex, or too widely dispersed to be performed by government. "An ethical obligation on the part of the private owner is the only visible remedy for these situations." – Aldo Leopold
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The essential philosophy of the last Bush Administration was that "God" put the whole planet at our disposal to profit from. The landowner has a moral duty and responsibility to take stewardship. collectively, of that land which he does not own. I see both extremes where I live in Vermont. People who dump their garbage over a hill (it cost money to dispose of garbage, never mind recycle) , into a watershed and people who show up annually for "Green-up Vermont" day and pick up the garbage as well as being active in their local communities about land use all year round.
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Those vowing the Republicans will rise again. Ain't gonna happen unless they learn GOTV (Get Out The Vote). Billions spent by Karl Rove's and Koch's on negative advertizing couldn't defeat the ground operation. There are more people at the bottom than the top. Keep on demonizing, Rush You're pushing them right into our column.
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that voting for the extremist candidate who wants to gut social security, medicare, the epa, and privatize everything in sight -- all paul ryan objectives (and an ayn rand, "atlas shrugged" devotee) -- would be voting for your own demise, but that's just me.
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I think this election has shown the nation what a bag of nuts and bolts the Republican party truly is. The fact that "legitimate rape" was a discussion that made its way to the political stratosphere shows just how out of touch the Conservative brand is from the rest of the nation. Personally, as father to a daughter, there's no way in Hades I'd vote Republican after that kind of talk was entertained. Another big problem we have in this country is the media, and I'm not just talking about Fox News; the media has been allowed to get away with contorting and/or flat-out making up facts to persuade/dissuade the public, and it's appalling. Whatever responsibility to the public the media of yesteryear pledged, that code of ethics and conduct died out long ago. The problem is that they have no one but themselves to answer to, and they are the primary outlet for any and all information the majority of Americans receive on a regular basis. Morale Majority my left foot....
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it's really real....... reality sank in today when i was in my local grocery store, and the hostess section was already wiped out! no more suzy-q creamy particles to wipe off my face no more munchie time, no more lunchie time no more "any" time. hostess produced a fine line of laboratory made, industrial grade survival foods a culinary symphony of sugar, fat, and all things artificial with an ingredient list that only an accomplished chemist could appreciate chewy, gooey and who didn't feel better with a hostess product in their hand? just seeing the box brought about a sense of mild euphoria (i was pavlov's dog, incarnate, at the sight of a fresh suzy-q) not to mention that all hostess products qualified as an important part of a balanced vegetarian diet "the times they are a changin' " this is TRULY sweet - sorrow....... :(
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In case you haven't heard, the latest is Hostess will get a reprieve. All this talk is part of a hardball game between management and unionized bakers. The latest court challenge has rejected management's bankruptcy request...so that means prepare for frosting.
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i hadn't heard. that is definitely good news. ever since friday, i thought that maybe this really was the event the mayans were predicting.i feel cautiously optimistic now.............. maybe there's hope for those store shelves after all. and thanks, mike, for the link.............cool article.
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Been having difficulties with posting lately. Usually I get some kind of timing-out error message, but then when I check, the post is actually there. But right now I'm just filling up space to get rid of the double post that just occurred (I only hit save once, I swear!).
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Twinkies are still being produced in Canada. Road trip!
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Hope everybody out there has a happy, healthy and safe holiday weekend. (PS) Slow down, relax, listen to music in the car, no need to text while driving...
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Happy Thanksgiving y'all! Just made another WAG on 30 Days of November: haven't spent a lot of time on researching the daily selections. Appreciate the "picks" and the fun provided by DL. Sure hope the winter precipitation starts happening in the draught-stricken Rockies and great plains region: Hardly any snow on the mountains at Steamboat this morning.
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The Patriots lost Rob Gronkowski last week to a broken arm and I thought they might have a hard time against the Jets, a divisional rival like the Dolphins that often give them fits. No need to worry. Brady & Company, with superb coaching of Bellichek (His 200th career victory), jacked the Jets, stealing the football 5 times and marching easily up the field on offense to chew up the clock. In the last two games the Pats have scored 59 and 49 points respectively. Their defense ain't nothing to sneeze at either. With a seven and one divisional record, they are going to the playoffs with a first-round bye -- nobody close! Imagine when they are healthy? Gronkowski is due back for the playoffs. This Thanksgiving Day the Lions game was far more interesting to watch.
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The rich got richer and the poor got poorer, while I had a leftover turkey sandwich and graded student essays, which is my plan for today and tomorrow too.
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The election is over and people are trying to breath a sigh of relief. No need to talk about this again. Unfortunately, the fiscal cliff has thrown it back in our face. To be clear, it is about taxes and balancing the budget. The bad news is that it is is a one-sided debate. We have the debate being driven by old-fashioned conservative "balance-the-books" conservatives. Only today the Keynsians have raised their heads to chime in about the debate. The Brits and Europeans have gone through the conservative approach before and have now found themselves bogged down in a double-dip recession. The liberals are now floating more Keynsian ideas that would include the best of Obama's ideas (tax the freakin' rich) close loopholes, raise the capital gains tax to 20% and gut the military-industrial complex. Make cosmetic changes to entitlement programs, mostly making sure the rich can't take advantage of them. Then spend money on creating jobs, mostly by rebuilding America's infrastructure. We could have 4% growth in this country with that policy. The only thing standing in the way is the Republicans. Next time somebody asks you about the "Fiscal Cliff" give them this version or a variant for an answer, don't let somebody else's agenda dominate the debate.
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President Obama has personally approved 2500 drone strikes in his first four years. Talk about karma! Most of the people killed had it coming. They were plotting against us and would kill innocent people. This is a major escalation in the drone method, which allows us to attack enemies in countries where we have not declared war. The Obama administration, it was revealed today, made up rules to make sure the President always has the final say, instead of delegating the responsibility to others. They were afraid of what Mitt might do. People have remarked on the cold steeliness of Barak Obama. He is not a man to be crossed. I think people who doubt his resolve should watch how the Iranian nuke problem plays out...
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Palestine was admitted to the UN as an observer state last week. The entire world, 139 countries, voted for the resolution and two voted against, the US and Israel. Listening to the talking heads justifying the US move made me laugh out loud. The building of Israeli settlements is now the hugest obstacle to peace in the matter and the US insists it is other factors that are to blame. For a better understanding of how the US relates to Israel and against Palestine in this humanitarian tragedy, the building of the largest and most densely populated slum in the world, read Noam Chomsky's words on the subject. I don't have a specific book right off the top of my head, just google it and you'll find multiple words of his on the subject by Chomsky. What is the old saying? Treat other people the way you would like yourself to be treated? Israel should heed those words. Perhaps it wouldn't find itself reviled around the world.
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Royal Dutch Shell has announced publicly that through expansion of fracking shale oil and natural gas production the US will become the world's leading energy producer within ten years. This will in turn produce a manufacturing(!?!) boom in the US as energy is the driving cost factor in sending jobs overseas. It will now be again cheaper for manufacturing (and better for the environment) to be done in the US, most probably in the mid-west. This is a major WOW factor for the US. For the next 100 years we are guaranteed to be the strongest economy on the planet and our political ties to the Mid-East will change forever.
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Because Israel has announced new settlements in Gaza & the West Bank. Imagine in ten years when the US will no longer be that interested in the Middle East? Perhaps the 5 billion dollars a year in foreign aid to Israel can be used for more worthwhile causes within our own country.
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I hope you west coasters are doing okay with all the rain these past few days. The moisture has moved mostly northeast due to the jet stream and the strong gulf air pushing dry air north through the great plains, where we're setting high temp records. We can't buy a raindrop in eastern Kansas. Colorado ski resorts are hurting for snow. What snowfall amounts are registering in the Cascades and Sierras?
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You would be a good one to enter this Dogfish contest.
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I never condone violence. I only highlight this to show how pissed-off people are that the government is going to screw with our medicare and social security benefits, raising the retirement age to 67. Not a done deal you say? We elected Obama and he'll save the day you say? Don't count on it. The Democrats are going to cut a deal eventually that will include these provisions. Why do i know this? Because Democratic spokespeople like Howard dean are saying it already. Screw that and screw the democrats. We worked hard to retire at 65 and and NOBODY should be able to take that from us. All people who have their heads buried in the sand and don't listen to the news or have anything to do with politics? LISTEN! You won't be able to retire at 65 anymore unless you're in the top five percent of income earners. Are you? Do you have a combined income of more than 250k a year and have planned so well for retirement that you don't need these two things? Well aren't you special! I need them. I worked hard for them. This whole drama of the fiscal cliff is a bad morality play with bad actors and a bad script!!!