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    Rock Legends to Play Obama Fundraiser

    The Pennsylvania Campaign for Change has just announced a Monday, October 13 concert fundraiser to benefit Obama for America featuring many Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees and other American music icons. Additionally, the show will be a very large voter outreach opportunity for the Pennsylvania Obama campaign, which has already built the largest volunteer-based campaign in Pennsylvania’s history. The campaign has more than 70 field offices and thousands of volunteers preparing for an unprecedented Get Out the Vote operation. There are now more than 1 million more Democrats in the state than Republicans, an increase of 500,000 since 2004.

    Tickets will be available at 12:00 p.m. EDT on Friday, September 19, and are $50 for the general public and $30 for University Park students with a Pennsylvania State University ID. More ticket information is available online at:

    https://www.barackobama.com/psu

    EVENT DETAILS:

    WHO: Bob Weir, Phil Lesh, Bill Kreutzmann, and Mickey Hart, Gregg Allman, Butch Trucks, Jaimoe, Warren Haynes, Derek Trucks, Marc Quinones, Oteil Burbridge, and Jeff Chimenti

    WHAT: Concert Fundraiser

    WHERE: Bryce Jordan Center, Pennsylvania State University State College, PA

    WHEN: Monday, October 13, 2008 - Doors Open 5:30 PM EDT

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  • TigerLilly
    16 years 3 months ago
    HEAR HEAR
    Oroboros!!!!!! Most excellent post. Will say no more, just that totally and absolutely agree with you, and you said it so well too!********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
  • direwulf
    16 years 3 months ago
    probably...maybe?
    a dylan tune too. times they are a changin' and maggies farm
  • Gypsy Cowgirl
    16 years 3 months ago
    Why so sad?
    it is amazing that it's bringing so much controversy. Obama may not be able to fix it all, but I think he'll try. McCain will just be Bush's successor-out for the extremely rich & wealthy-not for the people in any way shape or form. Someone who doesn't even know how many houses he or his wife has is completely out of touch. Obama is a Christian & half white also..........."think for yourself" as the Beatles wrote......peace & love Gypsy Cowgirltry & have a good time @ the show! whatever, people.................
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The Pennsylvania Campaign for Change has just announced a Monday, October 13 concert fundraiser to benefit Obama for America featuring many Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees and other American music icons. Additionally, the show will be a very large voter outreach opportunity for the Pennsylvania Obama campaign, which has already built the largest volunteer-based campaign in Pennsylvania’s history. The campaign has more than 70 field offices and thousands of volunteers preparing for an unprecedented Get Out the Vote operation. There are now more than 1 million more Democrats in the state than Republicans, an increase of 500,000 since 2004.

Tickets will be available at 12:00 p.m. EDT on Friday, September 19, and are $50 for the general public and $30 for University Park students with a Pennsylvania State University ID. More ticket information is available online at:

https://www.barackobama.com/psu

EVENT DETAILS:

WHO: Bob Weir, Phil Lesh, Bill Kreutzmann, and Mickey Hart, Gregg Allman, Butch Trucks, Jaimoe, Warren Haynes, Derek Trucks, Marc Quinones, Oteil Burbridge, and Jeff Chimenti

WHAT: Concert Fundraiser

WHERE: Bryce Jordan Center, Pennsylvania State University State College, PA

WHEN: Monday, October 13, 2008 - Doors Open 5:30 PM EDT

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I'm thinking a good pre-show warmup could happen at Zeno's. Anyone else in? I saw that Otto's was mentioned earlier. They definitely have the best brew in town, but they aren't within walking distance to the BJC. So, Zeno's it is. My wife and I will try to get there around 2ish if anyone else wants to join us! Let me know! Whooooohoooooooo! Walk into splintered sunlight Inch your way through dead dreams to another land
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Why is it we keep getting left out up here in the pacific northwest, no tours by any of the boy's bands and no special events. There are more deadheads up here than in Penn. 411 shows and counting. One day I'll actually get around to listing them all.
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If anyone out decides that they can't make it for some god foresaken reason, please let me know. I will gldly take your tickets off your hands. Have a grate time everyone and be kind!!!
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On September 19th, 2008 terrapinflyer said:I'm thinking a good pre-show warmup could happen at Zeno's. Anyone else in? I saw that Otto's was mentioned earlier. They definitely have the best brew in town, but they aren't within walking distance to the BJC. So, Zeno's it is. My wife and I will try to get there around 2ish if anyone else wants to join us! Let me know! Whooooohoooooooo! Dude, you read my mind. I love that bar, I did when I went to school there and I hit it at least once every time I return to Happy Valley. I actually managed to get hotel rooms above Zenos in that little hotel they have up there for this show. I imagine I will be spending a lot of time there. See you at the bar! Rick Do or do not; there is no try.
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Wife got the tix while I was fishing! Who could ask for a better day? (that does not include a show) See you soon friends!! "if you get confused, listen to the music play"
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keep trying you guys. i spent at least an hour this morning trying over and over on ticketmaster for ONE ticket at a time. they are not in the same section but i did get TWO more tickets!!! it still does not say "SOLD OUT." GOOD LUCK AND DONT GIVE UP!!!!
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Thirty eight years a fan, over five hundred shows. A benefit for a presidential candidate?Very disappointing. Stop the bus, I'll get off here. p.s. Check Obamas relationship with Zbigniew Brzezinski.
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My only beef originally was the use if the moniker "Deadheads for Obama" and using the good name of the Dead for selling a politician. I did not like it because deadheads are a wide breadth of people not limited to a political, religious or otherwise type of belief. A Grateful Dead concert was always a welcoming place where you could leave all the world's baggage at the door, put differences aside and enjoy a collective mind blowing. A place where an Ann Coulter can shake hands with a Michael Moore and enjoy a show together despite differences. The shows and music were music for music's sake, who ever enjoys it, enjoys it. So the point is this, you don't have to agree on politics or anything, to like and enjoy another person's company. Let us respect one another and just be nice. I would like to see a new topic or thread created where we can all air out these political issues in a civil fashion. We can learn from each other's differences, rather than the "I am right you are wrong" venom. I'd like to thank the fellow's for removing the Dead and deadhead name from this event. This shows that they do respect ALL deadheads from all walks of life. And they are still able to express there opinions which they are certainly entitled to do. God Bless and peace to you all!
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I'm happy with the the ones I've got! good luck everyone!
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This will be a sad day for me knowing the boys will be playing just down the road from me and there is no way Icould even think about attending!!! I would have loved to take a 3 hour drive and see the boys play together again...but not if my money is generating funds to support Socialists like Oboma! If you look into his ideas and compare them to what true socialism is we are flirting with a major change that is for sure. Why do you think he is promoting change??? All Ican so is if he is elected president and in 4 years of seeign the direction he mislead you all down I hope you can learn from your mistakes.
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How can I get one of those posters? "It's like a mighty melody that rings down from the sky"
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taking place on the stock market and with banking industry? And the fact that 'socialization of risk' strategy is promoted by this current administration and is additionally currently supported by the McCain campaign. Interestingly, our political system to this point has been following a strategy of 'reverse socialism' ie. instead of government owning/controlling the big business/major corporations (socialism), the major corportations/businesses have been controlling our government (reverse socialism). This has NOT a right or left concept. That is the way the USA has been operating for quite some time under both parties. Are you still against this practice when the White House and congress is controlled by the Republicans or only when the Democrats are in control? The idea of Obama bringing socialism to the table is redundant. He can't bring something that is already there. Socialism (and reverse socialism) have long been a part of the political landscape and a controlling factor in the operation of our American government. It just comes down to who you want right now running the big show a this critical point in time.
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see you all next month!
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there are a couple likely topics already in existence for the kind of discussion you suggest--try the Campaign 2008-Who Do You Like? topic, or the Channel 666--Current Events topic for starters. If that doesn't work we can probably try something else...
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Got me a seat and can't wait to shake these ole bones again!!!!!!!!
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Anyone out there that _DIDN'T_ get a ticket? Don't give up. Don't give up at all. My buddy and I just hounded Ticketmaster, over and over again, trying to get him a ticket. Well, NOT only did we find one for 'em... it's right next to my pair!!!! Talk about God beign a Deadhead~! - delaney * What a great tune up for a spring tour! ============================== "Don't be afraid to try something new. Remember, a lone ameuter built the Arc. A group of professionals built the Titanic." =============================
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now that is rite on the money exactly what i wanted to say about this whole deal, floppy you said it all!!
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This is for a GREAT CAUSE!!!!! If the future of our nation, our children, our earth is not a good cause then I dont know what is. And what better way to Rock Obama into office then to have the Dead shift the energy towards the positive like they always have. For those of you who dont believe in change and governement reform, we dont need your negative energy there. For those who do, Ill see you there will my best dancing shoes on.
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I had two tickets, and used the ticketfast option to receive my tickets. Upon receiving the confirmation email, there was a message on the link of the site which should have had my tickets, but have instead for the last day said that tickets are being delayed. Is anybody else having trouble printing their tickets? I know a few other people, and they say the same thing has hapened.
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Hey Y'all! Wondering if anyone else noticed the strange way they did the tickets for this and if you have any insight into more details. I was standing by on my computer right as these went on sale and was able to log on and get 2 tickets pretty quickly. AND, it seemed pretty clear that they only released "200" level tickets to the general public accessing tickets the way I did - through the internet. So, it had me wonder, where were all of those other thousands of seats being sold to? I can not imagine that they held ALL of the "100" level and floor seats for the students. I am wondering if there is some strategic plan of releasing and even holding tickets that no one knows about that will only come to light as time progresses? Maybe they will release a bunch of them the day of the show to ensure there is no hassle with people coming without tickets as has always been the case at shows. Would love to hear your input on this! DID ANYONE OUT THERE GET A 100 LEVEL OR GA FLOOR TICKET? IN WHAT WAY TO YOU GET IT? Thanks! Brother "A"
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I have read a lot of free speech on this post, geez man, what states are some of you in. I'm not giving a dime to any politician. Always been a Dead fan, just wish they had not gone here. Seems like a lot of other organizations could use the money. Lots of kids are hungary.... Coconut Phil, living Free.
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wow , tried to get tickets for the show , but sold out , went to e-bay , tickets are as high as 525.00 for 2 tickets come on boys . scalping was bad enough back in the early 90's, but for these people to have a outlet to do this is crazy. any person that sells for profit and calls themselves a deadhead is not!!! dave-o 100 plus shows
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i was on- line as soon as they went on sale and was first offered ga tickets but declined them because i wanted to get a seat.. the next tickets i was offered was in the 100 level but declined them because it was behind the stage.. the next ticket i was offered i grabbed second row 200 level with a good view of the stage..this ticket i said was mine....its going to be a priceless show..one for the ages..........so the kids they dance and shake them bones!!!
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NEED THAT CASH TO FEED THAT JONES AND THE POLITICIANS THROWING STONES SINGING ASHES, ASHES,ALL FALL DOWN ASHES, ASHES, ALL FALL DOWN . cant believe the band is allowing this to happen
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i got in right away some problems with illegible security words ---->sec 129 front row but even tho they r behind the stage i grabbed them out of fear that nothing would be there if i gave up and tried again......
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would i be better off way out upstairs in like sec 212 left center field upper ? is the sound any good here? will there be a light show w drims/space ?? 212 ?? or 129 ? PSU students give me a clue if u know..... "you know you're bound.... to wind up dead......"
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okay the haze having long ago worn off here's a wishful of setlist 10.13.2008 : 5 minute jam---> FEEL LIKE A STRANGER HARD RAIN IS GONNA FALL BIG RIVER BLACK THROATED WIND BIG BOSS MAN WEST L.A. FADEAWAY REVOLUTION CASSIDY second set SAMSON AND DELILAH SCARLET BEGONIAS FIRE ON THE MOUNTAIN CRYPTICAL ENVELOPMENT TERRAPIN STATION---> JAM/DRUMS/SPACE----> DAYS BETWEEN JUST LIKE TOM THUNBS BLUES THROWING STONES SUGAREE TURN ON YOUR LOVELIGHT DONOR RAP + OBAMA RAP ALABAMA GETAWAY SUGAR MAGNOLIA ********************************************************************************************************* OPENER PREDICTION ANYONE?
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U.S. BLUES would be NICE!!You never know,. Can't wait,! Hav'nt seen the boy's together since 02.. Wife was sick in 04. Man, I'm F***'IN PSYCHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOVE IT!! And everybody have a safe trip...PEACE..
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Obamas camping is NOT funded by ANY let alone over 128 OIL,ETC lobbyists like Mcains is.. So YEAH he DOES need the $$$ to win and SAVE OUR COUNTRY!!! All mcaincan do is keep Lying about obama instead of sticking to ANY issues.. While at LEAST obama is telling us WHAt he will do!! Sadly to many folks these days actually buy t he BS from the political scene.. Lets put it SIMPLE.. Democrats actually care bout normal folks while all republican want is MORE $$ for the al;lready well to do Rich folks and screw the middle class and poor again and again!! And keep folks in FEAR with their BS lies bout terrorism and Iraq etc.. When will peopel friggn learn.. And i'd bet 80% of the folks NOT voting for Obama are simply RASCIST PIGS LOL.. SAD I think!! GO OBAMA!! We need CHANGE McSAME is gonna make that 2012 END OFG THE WORLD prophecy COME TRUE once he invades Iran and fucks the whole wqorld up even more LOL.. Open your eyes and don't be swayed by the LIES on tv adn Papers 9All OWNED by the GOVERMENT - BIG MULTI BILLION $$ Contracts with ALL their parent comapnys!!! Don't believe me!!!?? Go research the matter for yourself!! LOL PEACE ALL c you all @ PEnn State!! \Cosmic Travelers - Gypsy Blue GLASS @ BEST PRICES!!! JUST ASK!!!! -PEACE- "If Your not A HEAD - You are BEHIND!"
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I For One do Not Condone selling tickets For More Than there Face Value,But If You Must See The Show And Need Tickets You Can Check Here.... http://shop.ebay.com/sis/_W0QQ_kwZQ282Q29Q20CHANGEQ20ROCKSQ20ConcertQ20… Q20BenefitQ20ObamaQ20TicketsQ2010Q2f13QQ_ fisZ1QQ_idZ150296524560QQ_isidZ0QQ_sibeleafcatZ16122 And For Those Of You Who Said They Would Not Go Because The Money Goes To Obama.Look At It This Way.These tickets Were Already Paid For,So Obama Has Got His Money.You Will Be Paying An Individual Not Contributing To Obama.Enjoy the Show! (Cause There's An Easywind..Blowin' Cross The Bayou Today.)
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Was on for over an hour, still can't get tix. I might have to give up.
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Here's to hoping for a tour after this fiasco is over! The band did something to us deadheads in one incredible decision that hasn't ever happened - divided us. That stinks! Also, while I'm at it - some of the posts about Mcain are in incredible bad taste. All I can say to all you Obama supporters is, I can't wait for you all to feel his "trickle down no tax increase" when you buy gas, food, clothes and just about anything else. He won't raise taxes alright. Checks for 95% of the American people which we can't afford and at the same time raise taxes on all business. Oh for sure that will work! That sounds like LaLa Land policy to me. If we try hard enough we could turn the whole United States into California.
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Disgusted, actually, at the hatred, venom and outright bigotry, yes, bigotry spewed at Republicans and by inference, conservatives on this thread. It is childish and sophomoric, and only paints all those oh-so-"progressive" Dead Heads as the haters they are. It just so happens that I know many Republican and even conservative Dead Heads, most of whom have been on the bus a lot longer than many of you. I am a conservative. No, I'm not a Republican, because I live in Canada, and I'm a Canadian. I've been "on the bus" since 1967. I have always kept my politics to myself, or have been circumspect about it, so as not to ruffle feathers, influence opinions, or "prejudice" any points of view. It worked, as I have had many wonderful conversations and discussions with counless Dead.net members. I swallowed a lot of odd and opposing opinions to mine for the sake of Dead Head solidarity. I knew who and what I was dealing with. But to see it so openly displayed here is disappointing, depressing and sad. Too many smug and arrogant people here, who ought to look in the mirror once in a while and see a rather ugly reflection, IMHO.
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Hey brother how u been??? havent talked to ya in awhile!!! i do not suport obama or mcain although i did buy i ticket to this show.but its more about seeing the boys and old friends and meeting new ones for me not the political stuff.and though i dont agree with what evry one is saying on this thread,there is a thing called free speach and that is why this country is so grate or not so grate depending on who u r.and the last time i looked u guys up north of us enjoy the same.so just let it roll and enjoy the music my brother peace
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nay, promoted by BOTH the parties and even more so by the partisain press (right as well as left). And the zealots who cannot tolerate plurality, they just want to live in an echo chamber. As long as they can work to polarize us and make each person think that the worth of another is low, that decisions from the other side are monolithic, and poorly thought out, and then promote that we should lobby relentlessly and brutally against the other entity, we will all continue to experience the decline of civility and the culture that we are currently involved in. And this toxic approach to others and promotion of conflict over resolution is the life-blood of many of the strident voices that call out how terrible the 'other side' is and how one must be in lockstep with their chosen party/group. This is a significant problem diplayed by the left AND the right, the liberals AND conservatives, the Democrats AND the Repbulicans. NEITHER side can hold themselves as patriots when each are willing to attack and savage the other side INSTEAD of work for the common good of this country. Both sides are up to their necks in this morass, and neither have remotely clean hands. But I say work for change! And I support the band members being able to come together to 'rock for change'. And I would agree with it even if their support was for McCain instead of Obama (and that doesn't mean it would sway me politically either.) Artists do NOT reliquish their right to have an opinion in order to pacify their fans. (At least these guys don't. See the open letter they wrote to us fans after some fans intolerable behaviors at several shows.) I don't just like the Dead, or my friends, or my family ONLY when they agree with me. I can have appreciation for those who think different than I do. In fact they usually (when I can shut my mouth and listen) tell me some thing that I don't know already. I have not liked decisions or behaviors taken by all of the above groups/individuals but that doesn't make me right or better than the another person. It means I have a different view. The Grateful Dead would have never happened without tolerance, nay the ENCOURAGEMENT of differing views, styles, concepts, thoughts, talent levels, risk, exploration, etc, etc, etc. The quest and bravery it took to push boundaries. People can keep punching at others on this site, if that is what you want, (you must be getting something out of it). Some people aren't happy unless they are railing about how unhappy they are. Myself, I am tickled that the boys are back together, happy that some will get to take in a show, and have some regret at the tone of some that cannot tolerate people with other opinoins, and choose to exercise their venon with personal attacks and demeaning jabs. And I need to constantly challenge myself for my own role in this devisive mindset. Anyway, that is my 2 cents worth.
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OH OK OK !!! this land is nobodys !! The Earth Belongs 2 itself ?? Didnt anybody eat the Great Mushrooms and Figure this out ?? anyway ,, I hope all the get to go to 10/13/08 Have a great show !!! mind-blowing !! if i was going , this is what i would like to see / hear : Set 1 : Touch O Grey > Run for the Roses ( sure, why not ??) Tune up > Jack straw > El Paso > Cumberland > Big River > Maggies Farm !! ( whew, sweat off the Brow on that Run ) Tune Up > Missisippi 1/2 Step > Loser > Music Never Stops > Deal !! Set 2 Help > Slip > Franklins Tower > Box O Rain > Estimated > Jam > Playin Eyes > Jam > Playin > Truckin > Drummmmzzzzz Space eeeeee > Other 1 > Watchtower > Throwing Stones > Black Peter > NFA !!! Encore : Terrapin > Jam > US Bluz We Bid You Goodnite !! Yep,,, that setlist and those songs would say alot about whats goin on these day ~ P E A C E Josh E Bear !!
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10.13.2008 : 5 minute jam---> FEEL LIKE A STRANGER HARD RAIN IS GONNA FALL BIG RIVER BLACK THROATED WIND BIG BOSS MAN WEST L.A. FADEAWAY REVOLUTION CASSIDY second set SAMSON AND DELILAH SCARLET BEGONIAS FIRE ON THE MOUNTAIN CRYPTICAL ENVELOPMENT TERRAPIN STATION---> JAM/DRUMS/SPACE----> DAYS BETWEEN JUST LIKE TOM THUNBS BLUES THROWING STONES SUGAREE TURN ON YOUR LOVELIGHT DONOR RAP + OBAMA RAP ALABAMA GETAWAY SUGAR MAGNOLIA ********************************************************************************************************* OPENER PREDICTION ANYONE?
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As I was reading some of the prior posts, I was again struck by either the polarization or the non- involvment in many of the views expressed, rarely any kind of whole encompassing look at the many different colors of this tye dye nation. One of the greatest things about life is the colors, more than one can count. As so elouquintly stated in the post by oroboros, we need to come together for the common good of all of us. Take those colors and weave a multicolored blanket of hope, not single color flags of separation.peace, unity, hope, and change. pk
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Exactly. The music the people and the vibe will be great. Why for such a crappy canidate. I wish people would just read and research instead of believing what is said. If Obama makes it, the change will not be good. It is amazing Obama is going to fix everything you ever wanted fixed and some of you buy it. SO SAD.Enjoy the show. I would love to see the boys but I finally realized there is one thing that can keep me away from them....politics and a guy named HUSSAIN OBAMA. I hope he gives you a degree, car, house, money and anything else you would like to hear.
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Amazing that you can go from wanting to hug one of the boys to wanting to ask them what the hell they are thinking and them punching one of them in the nose.
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Its columbus day so what would a show be without Lost Sailor and Saint. Come on the whole reason we live here is cause this guy took a wrong turn! Ha. Lets remember this event is a rock for change...change is difficult to accept so why stick to all our old notions of the Dead if they wanna do this its their lives. 'nuff said... Heres my call for the setlist. The slipknot just ties it all together!! Music Never Stopped Bertha Mississippi Half Step Loser Deal Dear Prudence Playing in the Band> Turn on your Lovelight Althea Help on the Way> Lost Sailor> Slipknot> Saint of Circumstance> Franklin's Tower DARK STAR St. Stephen> The Eleven (with full lyrics) Box Of Rain U.S. Blues
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it is amazing that it's bringing so much controversy. Obama may not be able to fix it all, but I think he'll try. McCain will just be Bush's successor-out for the extremely rich & wealthy-not for the people in any way shape or form. Someone who doesn't even know how many houses he or his wife has is completely out of touch. Obama is a Christian & half white also..........."think for yourself" as the Beatles wrote......peace & love Gypsy Cowgirltry & have a good time @ the show! whatever, people.................
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a dylan tune too. times they are a changin' and maggies farm
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Oroboros!!!!!! Most excellent post. Will say no more, just that totally and absolutely agree with you, and you said it so well too!********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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unfortunatley i can't make this show....... if you don't support obama don't go people have the right to support who they want even your favorite musicans .....if jerry was here we would all be on tour
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this is bull. what a crappy way to reunite for fans. the dead have been politicized and it's freaking allot of people out -including me. jerry was morally and intellectually superior to politicians of any variety. he stood for creativity and elevating consciousness. i doubt very highly he would have approved of this nonsense. but then again it's a free country and their choice. anyone else notice that hunter has been very quiet about all of this political commotion?
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It is not constructive, nor "cool" , nor " healing" to talk about a persons name and think aha, this person is like this. It's ridiculous, asbsurd, but above all the ultimate in disrespect. Take a walk, get out in this wonderful world. talk to any one, everyone. Get to know why they are who they are. Life is very complex. You have to be willing to grow and learn to make it a better place. I think you will find you have more of the same ideals, dressed in a different colors. That's what colors our world. imagine a world of pure red, go ahead and tone your photos with that, or pure blue, or black,or white. Now tone down the contrast til it's all the same. I think we all prefer technicolor, high contrast. Some of us just don't know it yet. peace,and colors,pk
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i for one, am tired of the way this election has divided us,,,,pls let the music win through..i have one question though, is it proper for a candidate to accept donations form foreign born nationals? i have read that hungarian born billionaire george soros has been backing sen. obama financially since his senate run. let it be known i dont trust either side in this election. i think its time we had choices other then the two blood sucking bloated political parties we deal with now. now i dont know if this is true or not...could be more media hype.