Grateful Dead May 1977 Box (Digital)

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What's Inside:
• Five Complete Shows
• 5/11/77 St. Paul Civic Center Arena, St. Paul, MN
• 5/12/77 Auditorium Theatre, Chicago, IL
• 5/13/77 Auditorium Theatre, Chicago, IL
• 5/15/77 St. Louis Arena, St. Louis MO
• 5/17/77 University Of Alabama, Tuscaloosa, AL
•14 Discs, 111 tracks
•Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman, Plangent Processes playback system for maximum sonic accuracy
•Artwork by Grammy Award-winning graphic artist Masaki Koike
•Period Photos by James R Anderson
•Historical Essay by Steve Silberman
•Individual show liner notes

MAGICAL, MYTHICAL MAY 1977!

If you're a Dead Head, chances are you've spent many an hour expounding upon the distinction of May 8, 1977, Cornell University, Barton Hall. Well, at the risk of preaching to the choir, we'd like to reintroduce you to a series of shows that matches said greatness from that same gloriously fertile season. While Barton Hall is well known, the astounding tour that surrounded it has occasionally flown under the radar due to the uneven quality of tapes in circulation. May 1977 is set to change all of that with a boxed set that zeroes in on this high-water mark in the Grateful Dead's long strange trip.

For a band resurrecting itself after a 20-month hiatus, there was a great frenzy of expectancy that surrounded the Spring of 1977. We anticipate a grand reoccurrence of this fervor with the release of May 1977, a 14-disc boxed set featuring five complete shows from consecutive stops on that magical tour. Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering, the "psychoacoustic phenomena" as Jerry once put it, of St. Paul Civic Center Arena, St. Paul, MN (5/11) Auditorium Theatre, Chicago, IL (5/12, 5/13), St. Louis Arena, St. Louis MO (5/15) and Coliseum at the University Of Alabama, Tuscaloosa, AL (5/17) can now finally be appreciated. Each of these shows finds the Dead delivering punchier, more focused sets, tightening up the framework; each night turning out first-ever renditions ("Passenger,""Iko Iko,""Jack-A-Roe"), unloading potent new pairings ("Scarlet Begonias">"Fire On The Mountain", "Estimated Prophet">"Eyes Of The World"), classic covers ("Dancing In The Street") and soon-to-be staples ("Estimated Prophet," "Samson and Delilah"), and ultimately rising up to paradise.

And now for the nitty-gritty...

Due June 11, May 1977 is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies. Presented in a psychedelic box that boasts an intricate die-cut design created by Grammy®-winning graphic artist Masaki Koike, the set also includes a book filled with stories about each show, as well as an in-depth essay by Dead historian Steve Silberman, who delves deep into the history behind the tour and the band’s return from its extended hiatus.

Once these 15,000 boxes are gone, May 1977 and its shows will never be available again on CD. However, the 111 tracks will be made available on release date as FLAC and Apple lossless full-set-only downloads for $99.98.

Like its predecessors Europe '72: The Complete Recordings and Spring 1990, we expect May 1977 to sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here and on Facebook.com/GratefulDead and Youtube.com/gratefuldead.

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June 4, 2013 - 10:22am

#601

deadegad

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Ship 'Em Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please.

Hey Dead.net. . .. Show us some love. . .. Ship May 77 Now. . .. Today. . ... Please.
June 4, 2013 - 8:36am

#602

adedhed68

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August 13, 2007

Shipping Soon......

I think if it were sold out, it would've already shipped. The Spring 90 box set sold out quicker and arrived almost 2 weeks early. The E72 box set also arrived earlier than expected.
June 4, 2013 - 8:15am

#603

Zuckfun

Joined:
March 18, 2010

Shipping soon?

Due June 11, and downloads are available on this date, is it reasonable to guess June 11 is when packages will be arriving (and not shipping)? Maybe it's a case of wishful thinking...
June 4, 2013 - 7:54am

#604

rne

Joined:
August 29, 2007

Boxes

I can't tell if the E72 box mix was rushed or not. It is true -because Jeffrey Norman said it on an interview featured on this site- that his usual way of working had to be accelerated in order to meet the deadline. Anyway, I think he made a great job. Could have he done it better if given more time? We'll never know, but we have to take into account the limitations of the tapes themselves too. The 1969 Fillmore West box sounds great, but I sense more space between instruments on E72, and, in addition, you can listen to each hall (or field, it depends), which is really nice. I think, though, that the E72 box could have been done better, with more memorabilia, more technical details about the mixing process, etc etc. But it is an OUTSTANDING set anyway. It's really unfair to attack Norman in the way some people are doing it here. "Crappy sounding CDs"? C'mon, give me a break!Winterland 1973 features some of the nicest, warmest and highly-enjoyable 2-track recordings you will ever hear, period. Winterland 1977 is made of Betty recordings, ergo, it sounds wonderful. I can't say anything about the Warlocks or Spring '90, I'm not interested in that era. However, I bought "So Glad You Made It", and I remember not feeling very enthusiastic about the mix.
June 4, 2013 - 7:35am

#605

Underthevolcano

Joined:
February 6, 2008

BTW, regarding Europe '72

I have not really noticed sound quality issues on the box but given the magnitude of the work and the variation (I would think) of quality of the condition of the original tapes there would be differences on the final product no matter what. I think Jeffrey Norman has consistently done an exemplary job with all of the projects he has been involved with. To be sure there are standouts -I am particularly impressed with the Grateful Dead movie soundtrack-but all in all nothing in the body of work to be embarassed about. To me, the rush of the 72 box was shown more by lack of doodads enclosed-contrary to the implied promise of the promotional pictures. I kept looking for "the secret compartment" which I thought must be in that trunk somewhere holding the stash of teased goodies. The one sticker? Is this it? Oh well. I also like the Plangent process which has been used on some of these, especially the Cow Palace New Year set.
June 4, 2013 - 5:52am

#606

Underthevolcano

Joined:
February 6, 2008

a week to go

and I'm listening to 1977-specifically to the "To Terrapin" to start off.
June 4, 2013 - 4:58am

#607

unkle sam

Joined:
October 3, 2008

e72 sound, daps 6 and all the rest since norman took the job

I think I was the first one to say that e72 sounded like crap, the first 3 shows are almost unlistenable, I thought it was the disc, so asked for replacements, got them a year later and they sound the same, thin, shallow and crappy. The mix does get better down the road in the tour, but not much, then, we come to Dave's picks 6, what's up with the pitch? why so shallow, no depth, can't hear certain players during the tunes, sometimes they come up, sometimes they disappear, what the hell is going on? I haven't heard warlocks or sping 90 but if these others that I have mentioned are any indication of the mixing, then they proubly sound thin and shitty too. Dare I say it, who is this Jeff Norman guy? where did he come from? Hired by Rhino or the dead? I mean they remixed the e72 box in 3 months, right then I knew that it was a rush job, you know, we all love this music and this band, yet we get rushed mixes, bad pitch and just crappy sounding cd's, maybe that's why they are cheaper than say the rolling stones box set or any other box set, they are rushed, with no soul. I have said it from the getgo, Rhino is a ripoff, all they care about is the money. Mr Norman, how about doing a mix right for once, tell the powers that be that you won't do it if it ain't right. I agree with one man, Rockin the rhein is a way superior mix than the rushed mix by norman. I sold my e72 box due to this fact, I want the real deal, not this plastic crap that norman puts out. Most of my old tapes sound better than these releases. As far as vinyl, I heard they cut these dick's picks vinyl from the cd, so how could it sound any better? The source is fucked up, so even putting it on vinyl can't make it sound any better, if they wanted to do it right, a total remix from the master tapes would have been in order, not a copy from the cd, I love vinyl and most of my listening pleasure is found in vinyl recordings, but I ain't gonna pay a hundred bucks for a copy of the cd on vinyl. As far as Mr Norman's comments, he works for rhino so he will say anything to sell a product, even if it ain't all it's cracked up to be. The business of selling the dead's vault is just that, a business, let the buyer beware.
June 4, 2013 - 4:31am

#608

One Man

Joined:
May 17, 2011

E72

Little Ben, the best example of the E72 box audio issues is on the 4/24/72 show. The "old" mix released on Rockin' the Rhein sounds rich and warm, with little distortion. The version of this show released with the box set uses a new mix for the first two discs, and they sound grossly distorted to me, as if a bad analog-to-digital transfer was made. They also suffer from lack of attention to details like instrument levels, reverb, compression, etc. Now listen to the second two discs from the newer (box set) version. Those two (for some reason -- I guess to save time) are the nice "old" mix. It's like night and day to me. This problem starts at the first show and continues up to the Paris shows, where apparently some improvement was made in the new A-D conversion (or other change of procedure). The sound improves noticeably for the rest of the shows, but still suffers from "rush mixing" where the levels are apparently adjusted on the fly and details are ignored. It ends up sounding like a live-to-2-track mix, which is a travesty considering the multi-tracks will now never be heard in their full glory.
June 4, 2013 - 4:05am

#609

Little Ben Clock

Joined:
June 7, 2007

Europe '72 sounds good...doesn't it?

I've seen lots of comments in various places about the Europe '72 box sounding bad but very few examples. What I've heard of it sounds pretty good. I actually don't think the recordings are that fantastic - some are better than others. What are some examples of the rough/bad mixing though?
June 4, 2013 - 4:00am

#610

frankparry

Joined:
June 8, 2007

Spring 1990

This wasn't my favourite release - and in fact I thought Spring 1993 ran it close for the being the last great run - but I did love the sound. I was playing a couple of the shows just this weekend and I thought it sounded deep, rich and very clear, especially the drums.

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What's Inside:
• Five Complete Shows
• 5/11/77 St. Paul Civic Center Arena, St. Paul, MN
• 5/12/77 Auditorium Theatre, Chicago, IL
• 5/13/77 Auditorium Theatre, Chicago, IL
• 5/15/77 St. Louis Arena, St. Louis MO
• 5/17/77 University Of Alabama, Tuscaloosa, AL
•14 Discs, 111 tracks
•Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman, Plangent Processes playback system for maximum sonic accuracy
•Artwork by Grammy Award-winning graphic artist Masaki Koike
•Period Photos by James R Anderson
•Historical Essay by Steve Silberman
•Individual show liner notes

MAGICAL, MYTHICAL MAY 1977!

If you're a Dead Head, chances are you've spent many an hour expounding upon the distinction of May 8, 1977, Cornell University, Barton Hall. Well, at the risk of preaching to the choir, we'd like to reintroduce you to a series of shows that matches said greatness from that same gloriously fertile season. While Barton Hall is well known, the astounding tour that surrounded it has occasionally flown under the radar due to the uneven quality of tapes in circulation. May 1977 is set to change all of that with a boxed set that zeroes in on this high-water mark in the Grateful Dead's long strange trip.

For a band resurrecting itself after a 20-month hiatus, there was a great frenzy of expectancy that surrounded the Spring of 1977. We anticipate a grand reoccurrence of this fervor with the release of May 1977, a 14-disc boxed set featuring five complete shows from consecutive stops on that magical tour. Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering, the "psychoacoustic phenomena" as Jerry once put it, of St. Paul Civic Center Arena, St. Paul, MN (5/11) Auditorium Theatre, Chicago, IL (5/12, 5/13), St. Louis Arena, St. Louis MO (5/15) and Coliseum at the University Of Alabama, Tuscaloosa, AL (5/17) can now finally be appreciated. Each of these shows finds the Dead delivering punchier, more focused sets, tightening up the framework; each night turning out first-ever renditions ("Passenger,""Iko Iko,""Jack-A-Roe"), unloading potent new pairings ("Scarlet Begonias">"Fire On The Mountain", "Estimated Prophet">"Eyes Of The World"), classic covers ("Dancing In The Street") and soon-to-be staples ("Estimated Prophet," "Samson and Delilah"), and ultimately rising up to paradise.

And now for the nitty-gritty...

Due June 11, May 1977 is limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies. Presented in a psychedelic box that boasts an intricate die-cut design created by Grammy®-winning graphic artist Masaki Koike, the set also includes a book filled with stories about each show, as well as an in-depth essay by Dead historian Steve Silberman, who delves deep into the history behind the tour and the band’s return from its extended hiatus.

Once these 15,000 boxes are gone, May 1977 and its shows will never be available again on CD. However, the 111 tracks will be made available on release date as FLAC and Apple lossless full-set-only downloads for $99.98.

Like its predecessors Europe '72: The Complete Recordings and Spring 1990, we expect May 1977 to sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here and on Facebook.com/GratefulDead and Youtube.com/gratefuldead.

5/12/77 I tape saturation?

Is it me or does the first set of 5/12/77 Chicago suffer from some serious tape saturation and resulting distortion? I find it particularly noticeable on the vocals and heard it with ear buds, over ear headphones and on my full system, which includes an HDCD cd player. Things get better by set 2, but the Bertha, TLEO, 1/2 Step and Dancing all seem to max out in places, and it gets a little painful to listen to. The rest of these shows sound great. Overall, this is one of the best box sets released to date.

what a pitch!

so well said; its almost as if you worked for the company. ---

5/12 sound issue

the vocals are muffled on one song, but the problem is quickly fixed. i don't think its a manufacturing issue. the sound guy probably just fell asleep on the job. ---

unfotunate

I am not usually one to complain, BUT my discs came scratched out of the package and now 2 discs so far are defective. This seems to happen more when discs are packaged with rough paper sleeves or cardboard....luckily I trust dead.net to make this right. And the sound and performances on these discs are outta sight!

yes DFBWM

There is even a note on the packaging somewhere acknowledging the distortion on 5/12

Tracking to Europe answer

The last entry on the DHL Tracking record is the arrival of my package at the DHL Global Mail Facility in Des Plaines IL on 8 June. It arrived here in France yesterday by mail posted from Germany on 17 June.

Tracking to Europe answer

DHL Europe

Thanks cosmicbadger... I will stop checking the DHL site now and sit back and wait for Royal Mail to leave a card to collect.

Arrived in UK

Someone in the UK got theirs this morning by post without extra charges (reported on Eurotraders)

Mine hasn't arrived in the uk

Mine hasn't arrived in the uk yet. Very frustrating, though ivebeen playing various view from the vault shows which are very good. 1977 deservedly gets the kudos, but is 1987 vastly under represented in the release history? The lack of 77 box however has enabled me to keep up to date with ironing hoovering and gardening thereby earning brownie points from the missus. Alas, this is possibly the most boring entry on here. Apologies!

Scratches and Sounds.....

......I also had a scratched CD out of the box ,but I played it on multiple players and it doesn't skip so I'm fine with it. My only issue with "Betty Boards" are that,yes,sometimes the vocals don't come in on some songs or some sound "hollow" or echo.But otherwise the box set sounds fantastic. Those missing vocals on 5/12 are also not there on the Winterland Bonus disc and a couple of songs on the Winterland box(Bertha).Jeffrey Norman does do a great job remastering these decades old recordings. People who complain about E72 have to remember, in the CD liner notes they tell you different venues have better sound than other venues i.e. Amsterdam,Rotterdam,Frankfurt, the venues built for symphonies have great sound as opposed to say Newcastle,Aarhus(great show!!) etc.... Anyway, day off today, gonna tackle the St. Louis show! :) Also TPTB, you can announce Dave's Picks 7 anytime now....spoiled,spoiled aren't we!!!! :))) Take care folks, Happy Listening!!!

folks with defective/scratched discs

Customer service should be able to resolve this, but if you have difficulties lemme know.

Sunrise

Whoa, Bobby had issues all the way back in '77 with people talking during the quiet numbers. Note: "Shut up!" just prior to Sunrise in Show #2 Auditorium Theatre, Chicago, IL (5/12/77). Reminds me of his famous "Shut the f--- up!" at Sweetwater Music Hall this past year.

Dave's Pick 7???

Lovin the May 77 Box Set. The Alabama show is definitely my favorite. Not to change the subject, but I was just checking through old Dave's Pick's announcements and Dave's Picks 3 was announced on June 19th of 2012. Therefore, I would imagine that an announcement for Dave's Picks 7 is imminent. Any thoughts on the next release? I'm going with early 80's.

dave's picks volume 7

i don't think they will announce it until there are fewer than 1000 copies of 'may 1977' left, or the second week in july, whichever comes first. ---

Yngh Nghymru

The Sri Lankan and Indian cricket teams arrived in Caerdydd today along with the discs, and no additional charges. The packaging is superb. Hope others waiting in the UK receive their boxes soon.

Dave's Picks 7 prediction

My Dave's Picks 7 prediction Grateful Dead Live at Olympic Center on 1983-10-17 The Sugaree from that show opened 30 Days of the Dead last November 1. We shall see soon... :)

Customs Charge in the UK

I've been stung for £26.60 (including £8.00 "Handling Charge").

Re: Dave's Picks 7 Prediction

Apologies for the following shameless troll-type comment: Please, please stop with the Sugarees! Silly lyrics, insipid melody, and maddeningly repetitive "jamming." I may be the only Head in existence who finds the song a terminally boring momentum killer, but there ya go. That said, a decent-sounding '83 would be mighty nice... as would a hot '78 or '84...

Arrived today in the UK !

Hi, Got a message from my wife this morning .... The box was dropped onto my porch this morning. Nothing to pay ! Just starting to rip them now.

77 Box set - Sugaree

Only one Sugaree on the '77 box set. Star Dark, u must be happy w/ that?

Hey Star Dark

If you have to open a statement with an apology.... Why not just not make the statement, go with your instincts and be quiet, skip the track, and go be a critic somewhere else.

drshakedown

Hi there, Dr. Shakedown! Well, how's this for a conundrum: had you followed your own counsel ("go be a critic somewhere else") and not posted your negative comment, I might have invested more consideration in it! In any case, this is a forum. Not every post can (or should) be rainbows and lollipops. I just happened to notice that quite a few Dead-related posts, ad blurbs, etc. assume we all dig Sugaree. Some of us don't. It was a flip comment - nothing to be offended by. As a make-good, here's a little ray of sunshine: I firmly believe Bobby's contributions to the band's sound (both within and beyond May '77) were immeasurable. Folks love to bash the guy, but if only they could hear the music without his incredibly innovative rhythmic interjections (*and* he played much more "lead" than many realize). It could be argued that he added just as much value as Garcia. A close listen to the new box (and beyond) should validate. Just plain freakin' awesome.

Spring 1990 - Bobby?

I have a hard time hearing Bobby's guitar in the Spring 1990 Box. Not sure if it is me or the way Healy set the board?

Keith, circa 1977

Love the box- no complaints, here. I'm really enjoying hearing Keith's playing on this set. He's always been my favorite Dead keyboardist, by far, but I've generally ignored the post-hiatus stuff. Usually, I can barely hear him on late 70's shows, anyways. But the combination here of great shows, great sound, and good headphones is pretty awesome. Keith would be my favorite Dead keyboardist based on this set alone, even if we didn't have his glorious 71-75 period.I'm not sure what to think about the long "Dancin'" jams. Usually they are among the longest jams of any 77 show, and therefore, should be a highlight, right? I don't think I've ever heard or read anyone praising an "epic" Dancin' jam. I'm not sayin' I don't like them. Jamming is jamming. They just take some getting used to. They are pretty spacey and I can't imagine anyone dancing to them(?). I agree Weir is underrated, but probably mostly by non-Deadheads. I suspect most self-described Deadheads appreciate him just fine.

Spring 90

I thought Bobby's guitar was really prominent in the Spring 90 Box and that was one of my favorite things about it...(?)

Shytown

Hola - My plan has been to listen to the Box in sequence with the rest of the spring 77 tour. I've just completed the second set of the second night in Chicago, 5/13. I've reached the conclusion that the Drums>Jerry Solo>Other One>Stella is Dead ROCKNROLL at its finest. I mean, there aint nuthin jazzy, funky, Bakersfield country about it . . . just GOOD TIME ROCK N ROLL! Any word on the next Dave Picks release . . . isn't it due for release in August? Hugs n kisses to all, DCFHOF(its time)

PS - Nice little story in the

PS - Nice little story in the Rock and Roll section on the 77 Tour and Box in this week's Rolling Stone - and a nice 4 star review of the Box as well.

Spring 90 / Weir

I, too, find the sound of Spring '90 plenty fine. Re Mr. Weir, it's been said he functioned as an indispensable/essential buffer between Jerry & Phil. Couldn't agree more - and he may have been the only guy on planet earth suited for it. Must've helped immensely to have developed his technique while playing with those two radically different musicians. It's fascinating to hear how that technique translates to solo acoustic work - TMNS being a wonderful example.

8698 has arrived in South Australia

Fridays are my short work day and I arrive home to see a box sitting by the door! Time to change clothes and start listening.

sugaree

Totally agree with you, star dark. Before the 2013 subscription (my first) I made three song lists: "please please please", "always welcome" and "no more". "Sugaree" topped one of these lists... However, getting deeper into the realm of the Dead, I noticed that very often the unwelcome choices are presented in awesome and mind-blowing versions.

i love sugaree,...

but please don't be afraid to speak your mind star dark. anyone who tells you not to express opinions they disagree with can suck it. for far too many people these boards are just a forum for them to demonstrate how far they can stick their head up jerry's ass. we get it. you love the grateful dead more than the average bear. thanks for sharing. it shouldn't matter if a statement is positive or negative. all opinions are welcome. ---

The Skip Button

I'm always surprised when folks on the forum are offended by criticism. Although I love Blair Jackson's ability to provide deep context, I used to tire of his relentless cheerleading, especially because part of his job was to sell product. I'd rather discuss, compare and contrast. I am a lover of Sugaree in all its forms. For me, the skip button was made for one song. Written in the letters of its name: LLR. But it's all right, Grateful Dead, 'cause I love you. That's not going to change.

Sugaree, LLR, and Skip Songs

Star Dark, I agree with Patagonian - your comment about Sugaree was NOT "troll-like" - Though I too love Sugarees, your comment was totally valid and welcome. A "troll-like" comment is when someone goes beyond criticizing something like a song and turns it into an ad-hominem attack (e.g., "people who like Sugaree are mindless dupes." One Man, I totally see your point about LLR, but they've grown on me. And I gotta say, my highlight for 5/11 set 1 is the LLR. On good headphones the interplay and nuance is out of this world. And it always strikes me that Jerry LOVED playing that tune - some of his best guitar work... Okay, my number one "skip song"? Black Throated Wind. Yes, that's right, a good song, often some great playing, but I can't listen to the way Bobby (over)sings it... it's so out of his range that he sounds like he's going to pass out. But who knows, maybe it will grow on my the way LLR did...

btw

i loved listening to black throated wind until i got the E72 complete, but hearing 22 of em in a couple weeks time when i first received the set caused me to occasionally consider skipping them when they come up, but i never tire of playing it on gtr

To Palmer....

You asked about any good jamming Dancin's. I was at 11/9/79 in Buffalo, and it was a *fantastic* show. The energy that night stood out to me more so than probably any other show I saw. This was released on the first Road Trips (great call TPTB!), and I highly recommend it. The DITS has got this very cool electronic sounding jam in it and just rocks, all the way into Franklin's Tower. What a way to open the second set! Check it out.

Skip Songs etc.

It's a testament to the band's range, diversity, and longevity that we have so many things to disagree about(!) To wit: I happen to LOVE Victim or the Crime, Throwing Stones, West L.A. Fadeaway, and a few more tunes others find as cringe-worthy as I find Sugaree. On the other hand, farked-up Playin' in the Bands really bother me - even when the long stretches are fine. Go figure! Re Skip Songs: "Around and Around" (along with the maligned Sugaree) has my vote. Re Dancin': Garcia's extended DITS solos were often terrific. I've learned to embrace the disco.

UK Delivery

It's arrived in the North East of England......but not in my home until I've paid £26.60 (including £8 handling fee) qnd collected it tomorrow morning from the local Royal Mail depot. Buying the Dead and doing your bit for the Country....got to love it!

To Sugaree or not to Sugaree......

We all can't like every song to the same degree. Some songs we never want to here and some that we certainly want more than others. With some my friends there were always the "bathroom" songs. I've always liked sugaree. Look Like Rain too, some great Barrow lyrics and I love Jerry on this tune.But, we shouldn't be afraid to or have apologize for not liking a song. As long as there's no hate behind it, all critique is welcome. Now, I've always been a big Bobby fan. He's one of my favorite singers - inside the Dead world or out. And I dare you to find better rhythm guitarist anywhere. I hate to just call him just a rhythm guitarist he much more than that. He does a lot lead work, too. The whole WRS Prelude is all Bobby. Check out Bobby's solo acoustic demo for WRS on the Wake of the Flood expanded version. Just great. And the Spring 77 Box is just awesome

Skip Songs etc.

I will never forget a show with my buddy at the Boston Garden when his desire for food outweighed his desire to listen to a version of Althea. Vendors were walking around soliciting food and right in the middle of the song he yelled out “Hey Pizza”! We proceeded to pay the vendor down the aisle and change was returned. Before the end of the song, a pretzel vendor walked by and he yelled “Hey Pretzel”! So much for hearing Althea that night. If Bobby was with us he would have given him another “Shut the #%!% up”!

skip songs

Everyone has to admit there are skip songs. Why would you suffer through listening to your least favorite song when you know there is a kicking number, maybe your favorite, right around the bend? For me, Looks Like Rain is usually a skipper, but then a good one comes along like on the UCLA 73 show. This is going to be blasphemy and I can already hear the moans and insults heading my way, but I rarely ever listen to Stella Blue. I have heard good ones, but I pretty much do not like that song and skip it almost every time. The melody just does not grab me and it makes me want to go to sleep. I like Sugaree fine though-- especially 1984-85 versions. Re: Bob Weir. The guy is fantastic and I have really appreciated him more and more in the post-GD era. I had friends in the 80s and 90s who hated Bob-- perhaps it was the Daisy Duke shorts and Izods, but they could not stand him. I liked that a Jerry ballad (Stella Blue maybe) was frequently followed by a rockin' Bob tune to get us up again.

Likes / dislikes

Obviously we will all have our faves and our not-so-faves. I myself have always loved Sugaree. Jerry cranks on this tune and I always love it! I am not a big fan of LLR and I definitely do not care for Stella Blue or Morning Dew. I am really loving the Estimated Profits & Passengers in this box. New tunes at the time. I myself would never skip any tune. Maybe I am crazy like that, but I just feel if I am listening to a complete show, I should listen to the complete show. But that's just me. To each his own. That's what makes this Dead world go around. I will probably not to listen to anything but this box set for several more weeks. Then I will definitely be starting to salivate for the next DaP. Can we never get enough "new" stuff? Addicted I remain.

Skipping......Weir

A Help/Slipknot would have been nice if it was played on one of these 5 shows. Would definitely trade that for Row Jimmy. That is my skip song, it has a nice laid back reggae feel but always goes on for ever and ever and ever.... I love & respect Bob's coloring in on rhythm guitar but he crosses the line on the 90 box set with all that midi stuff. (in some shows more than others. The Nassau show is loaded with him on midi but the Copps show he lays off it except for Space-which is where it works). Jerry uses the midi somewhat tastefully. That midi effect can cause some awful schlocky, processed, imitation keyboard synth sounds. At times it really ruins it for me, they already had Brent behind the keys so there was no need for Bobby to add those sounds. I am sorry but if you see Furthur today you notice how Bobby plays rather pure straight through a tube amp. All that late 80's early 90's experimenting with cheesy gurgling midi effects was (at least in hindsight) a mistake.

Skip Songs & Bob's Playing

I am not boasting about this, because I don't care if someone doesn't like a particular song, but I never skip any songs. I am completist and I usually try to listen to the complete show. That being said, if I ever skipped a song, it would most likely be a Chuck Berry tune. With Bob's playing, when I first started to listen to the Grateful Dead, it was really hard for me to tell what Bobby was doing. His playing is amazingly subtle and completely unique to any other guitar player. I agree with what others posted on here about him fitting in with Phil & Jerry. More often I hear people praising Phil or Jerry but Bobby, I think, is a greatly underrated guitar player. I think David Crosby described him as being the 2nd lead guitar player in the band. I think that is pretty spot on because he rarely seems to play a "conventional" rhythm part. I am a guitar player and sometimes, while watching a show, Ill try to copy what he is doing and Im always surprised at how odd his style is but also how perfect it'll fit in with the rest of the song and how it fits in the middle of what Jerry & Phil are doing (and whomever's keys part) Loving May 77 box 14466!

Weir is da' Man!

I have always been a big fan of what Bob does and to what he brings to the band. He is vastly underrated as a guitarist. He adds just what the band needs to bring out the best in the tunes and he plays off of Jerry very nicely. I am also a huge fan of the songs he has written and his cowboy tunes always ramp up the show. Watch him on any dvd and you can see what a good time he has but also how very serious is he about playing his parts. The Dead always were a great example of synergy, the sum of the parts is way more then just adding up the individual talents.

skip songs

i usually listen to it all, but Samson and Delilah gets old real quick. If I had my way if I had my way If I had my way if I had my way if I had my way if I had my way ENOUGH. I have also called Sugaree "the most exciting boring song ever". very repetitive. BUT I won't skip 3/18/77 or 5/19/77 or whatever. 12/5/71!!! LLR...ugh. played to death. I have to be in the mood to listen to this one. so...slow.

8415 found its home

a little later than expected, but then again, @ no extra cost. Looks beautiful, haven't heard it yet, but will shortly...

Skip songs

I'm really enjoying reading people's skip songs. It's so interesting to see what works for some folks and what doesn't. I started off as a total Jerry guy, but playing in a few Dead cover projects over the years really got me to open up to Bobby more. I will say that most of my "skip songs" are Weir-centric, but even of these occasionally a version will grab my attention. Generally I listen to complete shows/releases, etc. More often than not my skip songs are really change the station songs on the Grateful Dead Sirius station. My skip songs: -Pretty much and Chuck Berry or Dylan tune - all of these were done to death (exception, perhaps Visions of Johanna, and I like a tasty Queen Jane on occasion). -El Paso -Mexicali Blues -Lost Sailor (although I don't mind Saint of Circumstance as much) -Victim -Minglewood -It may be blasphemy, but live versions of Box of Rain can grate on me -C.C. Rider, Little Red Rooster, basically any Weir blues tune from the 80s-90s -On occasion Fire on the Mountain - this to me can be more repetitive than Sugaree -FOTD - just overplayed on the Sirius XM, tend not to skip otherwise -Man Smart, Women Smarter & Wang Dang Doodle - I just find the lyrics annoying -Tons of Steel The song that I love, that most people seem to hate: I Will Take You Home. I think it became even more poignant after I had a kid, but I love that song. Fun discussion! I'd be remiss if I didn't mention how much I enjoy the May 1977 box as well here. I thought the packaging on this one was phenomenal. Keep it up GDP/Rhino crew!

More skips

I haven't listened to a Row Jimmy in so long I blanked on that one! Thanks for reminding me, reijo. I also fully agree on the midi effects. I just received the All the Years Combine DVD set and put in the bonus DVD and the midi effects ruin an otherwise fine Shakedown at Soldier Field (I was at that show and remembered thinking the same thing). I long had the 7/8/90 Pittsburgh DVD and the midi ruins some of the songs on that one as well. Whenever Jerry uses it, all I can think is, "Jerry, I would like your guitar solo to sound like a guitar, not a breathy horn." Mustin, I should amend my original post-- many of us have skip songs, not all of us. I tried to go the completist route for awhile, and then I would come to a Row Jimmy or LLR knowing a Jack-a-Roe or something hot was right after it. I couldn't do it. Regardless of who I saw, there were always "bathroom songs" for me-- Clapton shows, Wonderful Tonight; Stones, Brown Sugar or another of the many war horses depending upon placement in the show; Dead, see above. I guess I fall into the rocker camp rather than the ballad camp. I am really starting to wonder what DP7 will be. I hope an 84, 85 or 87 show myself.

Hey Roland

Good to hear that you got yours. Unfortunately mine didn't arrive today and I don't think DHL deliver on Saturdays (I hope I am wrong, otherwise I will have to wait until next week). Indeed delivery is slower than expected - tracking shows that it left Des Plaines, IL, on June 10 at 3:03pm which is 11 days ago. If that is DHL's idea of Express then they must be using the FYRA Express model (Dutch in-joke!). Also good to hear that no extra charges were levied. I seem to recall that there were no extra charges for the "Spring '90" box either.

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