Campaign 2008 - Who Do You Like?

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January 4, 2008 - 10:21am

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marye

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Here and there in the forums people are expressing their enthusiasm for particular candidates in the upcoming U.S. elections, while others are saying Enough Already, We Don't Want To Hear About It. So, this is the right place to discuss your favorites (or non-favorites) and other matters relevant to the campaign. If you're not into it, skip this topic! And as for all you non-U.S. residents, if you want a similar topic for what's going on in your part of the world, speak up and I'll start it. Thanks!

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January 11, 2008 - 11:36am

#491

SwickLogan

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:)

Very interesting set of viewpoints... I am not sure who I am voting for (Michigan primary 1-15-08), but I am sure not voting for Hillary Clinton. I have been told that I am not listening to her viewpoint OR she is a woman, Are you afraid of her becoming President? The answer to both are no, I am listening and that is why she will not get my vote. She has made many promises and kept zero. She has changed her mind at the last minute on multiple topics, never to apologize, only to abondon the folks she strung along. I am not hear to bash her, there are enough web pages to do that... I just wanted to add my 2 cents - btw... I love that about the Dead community - I can say what I want and will always be considered part of the 'family'. In response to jobs moving overseas… I think that this is actually a good thing, BUT we need to educate ourselves for the new wave of high tech jobs coming our way. A good book on the matter is The World Is Flat (Friedman). In response to enabling the poor… Give a man a fish and after he eats half, he will throw the other half away. Teach a man to fish and after he eats half a fish, he will remember the effort involved with ‘earning’ the fish and figure out a way to preserve it for later… Me Everyone needs help sometimes... I remember a friend once told me that they had been on tour for some time and had run out of money - They went to the Spaghetti truck guy (GD Parking lot - show unknown) after not eating for a few days and asked him if he could spare a plate for them to share - The guy hooked them up with all that they could eat. I know that this does not go along with my adage above, but I thought it was a good story. I may vote for CCj, but maybe for Mike Lookinland. He is Bobby Brady from the Brady Buch TV Show. I met him at a show (Buffalo 199x, I think)... Although, I did not beleive him when he told me who he was. Then I was watching a show (Where are they now) about kid actors from the day, when there he was on TV and said that he had followed the Dead for some time following his acting career. So Mike may get my vote - If nothing more than an apology for not beleiving you. I beleive you now!
January 11, 2008 - 4:08am

#492

hackster

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Ron Paul.and, here's an

Ron Paul. and, here's an interesting take on the ol' quote- "It is not the person who votes that counts, it is the person who counts the vote." (supposedlyattributed to Jos. Stalin)... HOW TO HACK AN LHS VOTE MACHINE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiiaBqwqkXs =================== moc.swencigolyzzuf.www ===================
January 10, 2008 - 11:41pm

#493

Hal R

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Nice thoughtful and not discussions here

I like the mix of the serious analysis and the zany on this topic here. I have a lot (too much probably) to say on both levels but not tonight. I just took an amazing tour of the only distillery in the State of Washington and along with others asked a ton of questions after we sampled the gin and vodka. Very tasty. Just opened this fall. Called Dry Fly Distilling. Time to smile and listen to some Grateful Dead. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
January 10, 2008 - 7:36pm

#494

Mr. Pid

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No, empower the poor

Provide them with the tools to improve their own lives, and a meaningful reason to use them. Enable their ability to participate and remove incentives to fail. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not interested in blaming the economically challenged for their condition, and I'm certainly not here as an apologist for the likes of Cheney and his Hallliburton pals. As far as I'm concerned, they really ought to be strung up by their thumbs. And Ken Lay got off easy dying before he spent a day in prison. I was hoping he'd live to be 100 in someplace more live Leavenworth than Allenwood. He would have made the perfect poster boy for why you don't screw people over. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that for me it's about personal freedom through individual empowerment and personal responsibility. Corporations, in and of themselves can actually do nothing. They require managers to make them act, and those managers, unlike the corporations, are actual living, breathing people who do need to be personally taken to task when they behave badly. Just like welfare cheats. I am certainly not a fan of the amount of spending undertaken by the US government, and the portion of that spending on all things military is without question excessively disproportionate to the need. Transforming assets into things you intend to destroy makes little economic sense to begin with. I'm familiar with Ike's speech, and concur wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, given the current state of thinking among some of the occupants of the world, a certain amount of military spending is going to be unavoidable. On rare occasions, there are even socially worthwhile side effects to that spending. This medium that we're using to communicate with was once called the arpanet, named for the agency that funded its creation, along with far more nefarious things like laser guided bombs and ICBMs. There's good and bad in everything. I never meant to imply that social service and support systems should be dismantled, but I do think that it's reasonable to see if we can't find ways to make them work more effectively so that we all get more of a bang for our collective buck, and that those of us who are currently disenfranchised are less likely to remain so. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
January 10, 2008 - 6:11pm

#495

Golden Road

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Poll Madness

I love the "soft support" line... "All energy flows according to the whims of the Great Magnet. What a fool I was to defy him."
January 10, 2008 - 5:54pm

#496

c_c

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hmmm

does Bill secretly hate Hillary? whatever. but I think he LOVES the idea of a longer Clinton legacy in the White House more than anything, that and the fact that she would make history by being the first woman. If Hillary is the rock, Monica was in a hard place. ( -; ok, I will not start with the cigar jokes. but back on OUR topic, I would like to ask gypsysoul to be my 'Co-President' in the formerly known as the White House; future Tie Dye House. no VICES here. ( -: peace.
January 10, 2008 - 5:45pm

#497

jerry_garcia71

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Endorsements

John Kerry endorsed Obama over his 2004 running mate Edwards..... Didn't Bill & Hillary Clinton endorse Kerry in 2004? I think Bill secretly despises Hillary and the Democrats will politely start to distance themselves from Hillary and side with Barack. Poor Bill is between a rock and a hard place. Also nice to see my union, the SEIU is stepping up to the plate as well as the Culinary Workers Union to endorse Obama.
January 10, 2008 - 4:29pm

#498

Golden Road

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Here! Here!

(GR stands and applauds) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenhower#Post-presidency On January 17, 1961, Eisenhower gave his final televised Address to the Nation from the Oval Office.[22] In his farewell speech to the nation, Eisenhower raised the issue of the Cold War and role of the U.S. armed forces. He described the Cold War saying: "We face a hostile ideology global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose and insidious in method..." and warned about what he saw as unjustified government spending proposals and continued with a warning that "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex... Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together." This from a 5 star General that became President of the United States. Wow... "All energy flows according to the whims of the Great Magnet. What a fool I was to defy him."
January 10, 2008 - 4:00pm

#499

cosmicbadger

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Kill the poor?

Any system will be exploited by some people; cheating on welfare, fiddling tax returns, stealing pension funds, breaking into concerts without tickets! That does not necessarily mean that the system should be scrapped or is necessarily wrong. The problem we have is that making any system perfect costs too much in terms of cash and loss of individual freedom. But it’s always the poor who get the blame! If you are worried about your tax dollars being misused then why not look at what you are paying to sustain the industrial-military complex that runs our societies! I would suggest that for every dollar misappropriated by the poor, a thousand are stolen from you by the rich. But since everyone wants to be rich and successful, the sins of the wealthy are forgiven quicker than those of the poor! Back to the jokes I think.
January 10, 2008 - 3:10pm

#500

Mr. Pid

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Giving vs. Investing

I think another way of assessing Steve-O's frustration goes like this: Social systems that help people up to self-sufficiency are good and worthwhile investments that benefit everyone. Social systems that keep people down by enabling dependence are bad investments that ultimately benefit no one. There needs to be an element of personal incentive left in these programs, so that they can provide a path to help people get on track, but not provide enough to keep them on track in and of themselves. Oh, and Barbara? You got $1500 AND you got to go to Stanford? Congratulations, you're a very lucky person. That's a much better deal than I ever got, and I'm glad to see that the $1500 investment in you that we all contributed to is paying off. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.

Here and there in the forums people are expressing their enthusiasm for particular candidates in the upcoming U.S. elections, while others are saying Enough Already, We Don't Want To Hear About It. So, this is the right place to discuss your favorites (or non-favorites) and other matters relevant to the campaign. If you're not into it, skip this topic! And as for all you non-U.S. residents, if you want a similar topic for what's going on in your part of the world, speak up and I'll start it. Thanks!

Gimme an F

Hey Good ol GD-@ my granddaughter's (now 2 yrs old) baby shower, as "gifts" we were all given artwork by my grandson (he's 2 years older than her) & what did I GET???? the letter "F" in a glued on kid fashion piece of paper (still have it with pride)......OF course I immediately cracked up & started singing "GIVE ME AN F" to which my son, replied "mom, noone here is going to know what you're talking about" WHICH of course I educated the rest of the family about Country Joe McDonald, Vietnam chant, etc.......1 of the grandma's said something about the GD, SF & me & we all laughed...........Bet you're right on the Honest Abe also! We can all be proud Americans, no matter who wins the election, better here, than anywhere else, no matter how unhappy we are about our politics, regimes, etc....xoxo Gypsy Cowgirl

Too funny

Gypsy, thats pretty funny I like that, pretty ironic. I am proud to be an American and love my country, where else can you have so much FUN. Though I do or have done alot of things I don't completely agree with, for people I can't stand in many far away lands. I do it for all of us. So that others can live free and enjoy singing F songs and growing hair and go to shows.Able to Speak out against the madness. I'm really not political though it does affect my life greatly right now our situation worldwide isn't going to change overnight. Have you really ever seen some kind of drastic change or bettering by who was president. Mostly bad things come to mind but seems to be the way. Maybe some Americans just don't know how good they have it. Even the poor and homeless have it better than some others in the world. Old men sing about their dreams, Women laugh and children scream, And the band keeps playing on

"I'm Proud to be a cowgirl from San Francisco"

A tweak on Merle Haggard's "Proud to be an Okie from Muskogee".........I agree Good ol GD-change is slow........Hopefully being homeless & poor here is better than overseas in the 3rd worlds, except with the possibilities of our Native American reservations-they are still the poorest in the land (except the ones that have gotten the casinos going on-they got it better) I'm thinking of the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota in particular is supposedly the lowest income in our nation.......xoxox Gypsy Cowgirl......YEH! GIVE ME AN "F"...........What's that spell????? xoxoxo

Hey Good ol GD

just realized & read your thing on "Introducing Ourselves" that you're the paratrouper in the Army.....now I see what you meant on the above post......my hubby is a Vietnam Vet from the Navy..........xoxo Gypsy Cowgirl

I meant

I meant "I'm Proud to be a Gypsy Cowgirl" from San Francisco..........xoxox

I Don't how!

Here's some more for ya Gypsy "I don't how we're gonna stop the war if you can't sing any louder than that, let me hear it And it's 1-2-3-what are we fighting 4, don't ask me I don't give a damn next stop is land of sand, and it's 5-6-7 open up the Baghdad g8s, just hope we're ain't to late, 15 month's thank's to Bobby Gates, be the first one your block to get blown up by a bomb in a box. What do you think next career in music? Gotta be humorous helps with long tours. Really gotta remember that I might just have something. I have a friend back home who was Navy, a Seabee in Vietnam Wish I was a headlight, on a northbound train

Mine, too

yes, Good ol GD-husband was in the SeaBees in Vietnam, division of the Navy, I'm told.......& please, remember, I grew up on these lyrics......but, thanks......"what are we fighting for?" the eternal question, I suppose.....since the beginning of timelike your change of lyrics...can apply to anywhere! "This land is your land, this land is my land From California, to the New York Island From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters This land was made for you and me" words & music by Woody Guthrie xxooxoxo Gypsy Cowgirl

I know that tune

Gypsy. I know you know those lyrics I put them out there cause I thought you would appreciate them and hope it put a smile on your face. I gonna do a full version. Even printed off the guitar chords for it. Of course where I am no one has a clue who Country Joe is or even Garcia. Anyway I learned "This land" when I was in kindergarten. I wonder if it is still taught in schools today. My son goes to school in in Italy to Italian school so he can't answer the question. Your patriotism is inspirational, keep on truckin. Nothingleft to do but smile smile smile.

JOHNMAN and ANTI-LIFE

John McCain's plane TO Pennsylvania WAS - shot down - by friendly (self) fire...pretty funny story - I recommend reading that Rolling Stone article. Funny (but very sad) stuff. To whomever it was that called Obama "Anti-Life": ...That's a complete and utter LIE. Do some fact-checking before you believe every handout from the RNC you get and post it on here (whoever it was that said it). Barack Obama is far from perfect. I wouldn't want to vote for someone who claimed to be perfect. He's got the best plan. Period. ~ Pappy "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter

This Land is Your Land

Check out the last three verses we aren't taught in school, below is the address. Strong stuff. Thank you Woody. Country Joe who was mentioned with the Fish yell in the above posts did a tribute record for Woody consisting of his songs. I think it was his first post CJ and the Fish record. http://www.woodyguthrie.org/Lyrics/This_Land.htm If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

mcain

i'll look into that pappy....thanx fer yer input.....did i leave my keys in here?

oh,

and pls don't put johnman and anti-life in the same sentence.......someone might mis-construe.........found my keys......seen my lighter?

Great info

Hal Ichecked out that Guthrie site, yea pretty strong stuff thanks bro.

NO ON JACKSTRAW FROM WICHITA!

Husband last night brought it to my attention that the lyrics to "Jack Straw from Wichita-GUNNED HIS BUDDY DOWN!" We should now probably change that to 'COSMIC CHARLIE FOR PRESIDENT" He's much more on our side than a gun-slinger-even being the cowgirl I am.........xoxoxox Gypsy Cowgirlps-CC's Back-CAN YOU CHANGE IT???? I haven't learned yet!! Oy, forgive me

Cut, not gunned

Gypsy Cowgirl... It's actually "Cut his buddy down." So, you're safe. Jack Straw, seemingly is a knife murderer, not a gunman! So, that should make things better!! ;) http://www.hunterarchive.com/files/HandwrittenLyrics/JackStraw.html ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter

Pappy???

Really? Geez-is our hearing going? (must be) Sometimes it really sounds like, "gunned his buddy down"......thanks, wait til I tell husband! Maybe I should've googled the lyrics? either way-COSMIC CHARLIE FOR PRESIDENT! haha......Gypsy Cowgirl

Gypsy...

Did you check out that link? Pretty cool - handwritten by Hunter while writing "Jack Straw". There are TWO other lines that my buddies always used to sing incorrectly in that song: 1) MY FRIENDS: "Gotta settle one horse score" REALLY: "Gotta settle one old score" 2) MY FRIENDS: "Half a mile from Tucson by the borderline" REALLY: "Half a mile from Tucson by the morning light" Obama / Biden '08/'12 ;) ~ Pappy "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter

Pappy???

ps-just to let ya know, I've actually done this "leavin' Texas fourth day of July"........after a Willie Nelson 4th of July picnic......xoxox Gypsy Cowgirlhusband says, YES-our hearing has been going for some time now! Oy! too much loud R'n R when we were younger............

airplane go up........airplane fall down

apparently mccain's third crash was due to "engine failure" a flame out. tried reignition 3 times with no luck cuz he forgot to switch to his backup battery....his own damn fault, sure, but he was'nt "shot down". may i have a cookie now?....or some cake? huh? pls? can i? huh?

OOP! HEY PAPPY

I got it from the link-it didn't go through the 1st time, since I had left off the "l" on the htm part..........DUH.........cool! thanks! COSMIC CHARLIE FOR PRESIDENT Obama/Biden in the meantime...........Gypsy Cowgirl

Jack Straw

Jack Straw is a Bobby tune and could have been sang god knows how. Not being critical I like when Bob misses a beat or forgrts lyrics, changes for whatever reason, Throwing Stones is great example. The whole GD improv live thing man gotta love it. Yea Cosmic Charlie teamed up with Tommy Chong gets my vote. The madness never stopped

Johnman

I'm talking about the accounts of July 29, 1967 aboard the Forrester. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_r… Too much. The worst part is how he cowers from the fire, rather than helps. I thought the old man did well for the first 30-45 minutes or so in last night's debate, but he simply loses his cool when he realizes he's not getting under Obama's skin. One is ready to lead, the other is ready to have a caniption. ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter

Johnman, Pappy, Good ol GD.....

thanks for your research, Johnman on the plane/McCain thing.......find your lighter yet??? Let's hope it's a landslide for Obama........I don't know if I could stand another 4-8 years of the way it is now. (I do have Canadian relatives, ya know).......How's middle America doing behind Obama? (& for that matter the deep south?) Will have to look @ this link on July 29, 1967.................COSMIC CHARLIE & TOMMY CHONG! what a team! That might wreck Nancy Regan's "just say no" campaign........but I'm hoping she was talking the real BAD stuff........xoxox Gypsy Cowgirl

Just a reminder from Ole Abe......

"That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom""And that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." Quote from Gettysburg Address, by Abraham Lincoln Nov. 19, 1863 POWER TO THE PEOPLE!.......xoxoxo Gypsy Cowgirl

caniption

that's a word ya don't hear often. my boot camp company commander was part of the flight deck crew when the fire started and told us many stories. he was on the second fire team to attack the blaze and saw the team in front of his obliterated when the burning fuel under mccains aircraft exploded the bomb that had been jarred from his aircraft by the explosion of the zuni rocket hitting the plane next to his. there were holes blown in the flight deck, allowing burning fuel to pour down in to hangerbay where, by reports, mccain was helping enlisted men jettison un-exploded ordnance out the hanger bay doors so it would'nt cook off by the excessive heat. mebbe he should have stayed on the roof, i dunno. we're trained to leave the scene once properly equipped personnel arrive on scene or when the on-scene leader orders it, whichever comes first. there may have been more he could have done on the flight deck....we'll never know. it was a tragic accident that cost many young lives. the films of the fire and subsequent attempts to control it are now used to train young recruits on proper firefighting tecniques. many mistakes were made that day. the forrestal did recover from her wounds to sail again. guess i went off on a tangent.....he still was'nt shot down.

shot down

He was shot down - just accidentally. My whole point to McCain is that he's not this incredibly brave, Patton-esque supersoldier hero everyone thinks he is. That whole artice (10 pages long, btw Gypsy) is fantastic information and it shows his true colors. A Navy brat who has a VERY long history of making VERY poor decisions. ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter

NOT Joe the Plumber

I gotta quell the rumors that have been flying around, I am NOT Joe the Plumber! ( -: I'm CC Joe, the Cheeze Wiz! peace.

Stuff

I'm glad you guys enjoyed the R. Stone article. I read it one day in Barnes and Noble when I was gettin a paper to find a job.uugg.Anyway I wasn't startin s_it,just wanted to help Obama along. I didn't live in Fl during the last election but I don't want to be one of those deadheads Bobby was talking about(at the show).Hey Ted if I see one of those bumperstickers,I'll let you know. Thanks Hal R for the link.So who will be in the Cabinet...big prizes for the correct guess..........drumz>space

The Cabinet?

Great question, billdrumz!!! Sec of State - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton? Al Gore? Sen. Dick Luger? Sec of Defense - Sen. Jim Webb? Gen. Wesley Clark? I would really put HRC as the next Supreme Court Justice, actually. ~ Pappy "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter

i know it's silly of me to argue semantics

and as i have said before i'm not for or against either candidate....but if an aircraft is not "up in the air" but "parked on the flight deck" it cannot be "shot down" and the missile in question did not hit his aircraft, although he said it did, anyway pappy i have found your posts informative and interesting, thank you for your time.

CC's Back-the plumber this time

CC's Back is Joe the Plumber in disquise....don't let him fool you......just kidding CC... Oh, I once knew a Hog Farmer that went by the name of Chee-Wiz....Are you related? She was a nurse, I think.........don't worry, Pappy, I can't stand to look @ McCain......& like my 92 yr old mom said about our current pres (with his 73% dis-approval rate according to the news last night) after his re-election/theft/ "God, I have to look @ his face again?" I said-don't look.............. xoxoxo Gypsy Cowgirl

OH, it was

Oh, it was actually "I have to look @ his ### face" she was cussing.......GC

snack

and to think all i wanted was a little cake........or a cookie.....sigh!

Oh for crying out loud!

Johnman-go git yer cookie & make sure it's the Alice B. Toklas type..........xoxoxo Gypsy Cowgirl

crine out loud?

jeez!...... wot kind didja think i wanted anywayz? mebbe made wif a little "special" butter? heehee

i'm willing to share

want one too?

A.B.T.

She was born Alice Babette Toklas in San Francisco, California-April 30, 1877 – March 7, 1967........Wow, now we're completely off the titled subject.....oh, well.....sorry Mary E.........xoxoxo Gypsy CowgirlONLY S.F. could have Alice B. Toklas & the GD to their name! I'm so proud to be from here for many generations, actually! Yee-Haw....

hog farming nurse...

hog farming nurse, cowgirl, don't think I know her. peace.

THIS IS A NONPARTISAN JOKE.......

THAT CAN BE ENJOYED BY BOTH PARTIES!NOT ONLY THAT-- it is POLITICALLY CORRECT!! While walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit by a truck and dies. His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Stephen at the entrance. 'Welcome to heaven,' says St. Stephen. 'Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you.' 'No problem, just let me in,' says the man. 'Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity.' 'Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,' says the senator. 'I'm sorry, but we have our rules.' And with that, St. Stephen escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him. Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people. They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne. Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly & nice guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go. Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises... The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Stephen is waiting for him. 'Now it's time to visit heaven.' So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Stephen returns. 'Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity.' The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers: 'Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell.' So St. Stephen escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above. The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. 'I don't understand,' stammers the senator. 'Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?' The devil looks at him, smiles and says, 'Yesterday we were campaigning.. .. Today you voted.

Against the grain.

People are saying that Barrack's middle name is actually "Hussien" or however you spell it. So, that would make him Barrack Hussien Obama. Osama and Obama sound almost alike to me. Am I crazy? We supposedly dont have a copy of his birth certificate. Was he born in the U.S. If everyone wants change. What kind of change are we going to have. If the U.S. changes, it could get even worse. I'm thinking about Russia and how it is over there now. I see alot of crazy stuff about Russia online. Or whatever the country is called now. Are we going to have terroist attacks after the election. Are the terroists that are still out there going to test the new president. Whoever it is. Are there even terroists still out there? Is the new president going to take action or is he just going to let it happen or is he not going to know what to do. If the terroists attack, should we just sit around and let it happen? They drove planes into the world trade center. Does that matter? Do we even care if we are attacked. I used to be a bleeding heart liberal mainly because of the environment and a peaceful planet would be nice, but does it seem like Barrack really gives a crap about that stuff? Yes, hes a democrat, it really doesnt seem like he is gonna do much of anything except let the country fall to pieces. Does that mean that the world is going to be in a blissful state of happiness, where I get mine and we brought the man down? As you can see I'm not much of an Obama fan. I think he is likely to make it much worse. Sure he can bring about change but, I fear it is a change for the worst.

I hope everyone notices

That there seems to be people getting on this site just to say some very mean things and to redbait and now to make statements about Obama and Islam and terrorism. People are getting on and there first posts are anti- Obama and that is all they post about. They do not write anything about themselves in the bio section or how many shows they went to, etc.. Not that people need to do that but these posters never do. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

WOW! Paranoid much?

Do yourself a favor, Danny C. Put the stereotypes away and go visit (as I just advised someone else to do) www.snopes.com and put "Obama" in the search bar. You'll find all the ridiculous myths that you are apparently clinging to, put to rest and proven false - with sources. AFTER you do that, you may want to read his PLAN FOR CHANGE which is available on his website: www.barackobama.com . Read it. I'm not saying you will vote for him, but if you want to know what he actually plans to do with this country, rather than believe the fear and smear you are prone to believing, you should simply read what he wants to do (and how he wants to do it - paying for everything). FYI - his birth certificate is here: http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.j… The link from where I got THAT is here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp ALSO, check THIS out: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp Do some actual reading, before believing all the crap you're spouting (apparently heard on right-wing radio/tv or read on emails). No offense - but bring SOMETHING to the table. ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter

Wow

Pappy / Hal agreed think that the above has targeted the wrong audience, sounds like that person themselves should run a campaign. I like this forum cause there are some interesting discussions not a bunch of FU statements. There are many that only discuss pro's and cons of each or stating thier opinion on who the support but not in a FU manner. Maybe that dude should come join me for a year-15 month's if he's worried about terrorist's and insurgents. Hal bro also agree on your Bios statement, I like checking them out. Wonder if this is one of those guys who goes to shows and leaves trash everywhere. FYI mines Deadhead Paratrooper on intro's. I want to load some cool pics I got too, like on Haight street and at Red rocks but I gotta dig em out and scan them when I get home there was no digital cams at that time. Cause on the net it's like a blind date. And espcially here check peoples stuff, say wow man I was at that show or been there etc. Internet question? Anyone ever thought about what DSL is backwords. Hey Pappy checked out you site, listened to some GDTRFB, sweet, sounds really good. if I'm ever going through Pitt I be sure to look for you all. Strangers stopping strangers just to shake their hands.

DSL Backwards?

Is broadband for your brain! Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.

xyz pdq

XYZ PDQ!!! quid pro quo?? huh? ok, I'll go back to being CC eoj never been a plumber, though I was a 'joint fitter' from time to time.

peace.

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Thanks guys, maybe the internet is really not the best place to talk about that kinda stuff. See-ya later, Dan

i noticed

but didn't really think about it as i don't always check profiles....mebbe i should start...no matter the candidate, mean spirited posts just don't belong....thanx hal!!

SUPERHAL

You keep after those villains for us, eh?********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens

THANX

Thank you, Good Ol' GD - glad you liked it. We've got some pretty good vids up, too from this past summer (if you check out the "links" page on our website). Thank you for all you do, bro. Lemme know if ever you come to the 'Burgh. Thanks to you too, Hal!! Check THIS out for something funny...(well, actually kinda sad).... http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud18-2008oct18,0,1216330.sto… Figures, eh? ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter

McCain heart attack

There's a good picture on of ol John having a heart attack in Stars and Stripes today 21 Oct. page 8. Itried to copy for everyone but it won't let me. Just google the paper and open it.