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    marye
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    Here and there in the forums people are expressing their enthusiasm for particular candidates in the upcoming U.S. elections, while others are saying Enough Already, We Don't Want To Hear About It. So, this is the right place to discuss your favorites (or non-favorites) and other matters relevant to the campaign. If you're not into it, skip this topic! And as for all you non-U.S. residents, if you want a similar topic for what's going on in your part of the world, speak up and I'll start it. Thanks!

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    you know...
    I am old enough to remember how when JFK (philandering, gangster ties and all) was running for president and the cry was, "Booga booga! You can't vote for a CATHOLIC because he'll take his orders from ROME!!!" Whereas even the 12-year-old Catholic schoolchild I was at the time knew it didn't work that way. I am similarly embarrassed for my Muslim counterparts who are no more responsible for the excesses of their co-religionists than I am for the excesses of the IRA. Or Mary Tudor. Or the aforementioned Inquisition. Or, for that matter, a raft of pedophiles. Add that to the fact that when Christianity was the age Islam is now it was massacring people with gusto on numerous theology-related-and-power-driven pretexts, and I just don't have much tolerance for the mine's-better-than-yours attitude.
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    Wouldn't have happened under the zulfiqar moon...
    The Grateful Dead scene never would have happened in a Muslim nation. It took a Christian perspective of limitless possibilities to seek the love and light that LSD teased us with. Thirty years ago the Dead went to the Middle East with plane loads of love. More recently Islam came to America with plane loads of death. "When people talk as if the Crusades were nothing more than an aggressive raid against Islam, they seem to forget in the strangest way that Islam itself was only an aggressive raid against the old and ordered civilization in these parts. I do not say it in mere hostility to the religion of Mahomet; I am fully conscious of many values and virtues in it; but certainly it was Islam that was the invasion and Christendom that was the thing invaded. "A good Moslem king was one who was strict in religion, valiant in battle, just in giving judgment among his people, but not one who had the slightest objection in international matters to removing his neighbour's landmark." G.K. Chesterton, 1911
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    Darn right! ( wink)
    Last night's debate in St. Louis was rather entertaining. I was impressed with the demeanor of both candidates and their ability to not slam each other, too much. The moderator did not remind either speaker to answer the question asked, so listeners had to endure rhetoric not related to the question. ..." I can't wait much longer Melinda, the sun is getting high...."
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    thanks man. cool link. definately a "clinch" in the Clinch Mountains for Obama with his support. Jerry definately loved tapers, since he was one, too. Though I can't ever really see Garcia dragging huge mic stands and reels through the rain and mud and trying to find the 'just exactly perfect' angle and position for the mic. I think he was more of a 'try to put it as close as possible to the musician' type of taper. ( -: http://www.morrispr.biz/releases/nr156.htm and Ralph ain't no sell out either, just 'cause Bush gave him an award a couple of years ago. (don't think the Prez. has the voting rights to decide that, not sure who decides who gets those awards.) National Humanities & Arts or whatever that 3 letter gov. agency is. http://drralphstanley.com/index.shtml I started loving bluegrass at about age 7 or 8. when I saw some bluegrass dudes play an assembly at school and started loving green grass (actually it was brown) by around age 9 or 10 or so when I... (ohhh, never mind....) and on tour by age 12. God Bless America!! My last serious comment about the up-coming election, please, if you live in a swing state, please, pretty please with sugar on top, even if you don't like Obama for 'any' reason, please hold your nose and pull that blue lever anyways. throwing more 'red' assed monkeys into the wrench is just going to be a barrel of grinding gears and nothing to laugh about. better dead than 'red' my 2 issues: Obama - says he will cut income tax for seniors earning less than 50 gees a year. McCaine would probably have the chance to appoint a right to lifer into the court. As I am personally the result of an un-wanted prgnancy, TRUST ME when I say, women need the right to choose. ( -: peace.
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    griped so much about the Dead (or other musicians) supporting obama. This is interesting clip. http://e1.video.blip.tv/1040005601740/Tpmtv-ObamaRadioAdRalphStanley827… FYI-And if you don't know who Ralph Stanley is, he is the guy that Jerry Garcia was 'taping' at bluegrass festivals 'back in the day'. (No wonder Jerry got a kick out of us tapers!)
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    As are these (different times)
    and to view any group as somehow monolithic (or the same) is a crucial error and a linch-pin for errors of historic proportions. Take a look at the current situation as well as history. Various groups/fatihs have told themselves that they could hate other groups/faiths out of existance, threaten them, abuse them, terrorize them, or exterminate them. Even if everything they were doing went counter to the principles of their belief system. Watch out before you become what you detest. Mark Twain said "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble, it is what you know for sure that ain't so."
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    another one of "those" deadheads.... yikes! ( -; * "There's no need for you to be worrying about all 'those' people You never see 'those' people anyway I guess it doesn't matter anyway Well I guess it doesn't matter anyway" -- Dobson . "Like knowledge gained by second sight That strokes a well fed cat Pictures of my past fly by Like petals from a cloud There's just time to wonder why" -- Hunter peace.
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    Marye, I am aware of what you said, and will keep the tone down. In fact I've known some very nice Muslims in my day, and wouldn't trade them for the world. But there is a radical group out there, that should be differentiated from the more mainstream groups. And those I spoke of refer to more of the radical groups. So with that qualification in mind, what I spoke of them is true. So ... I guess I thought that with all of the swearing on these boards, it wouldn't be a big deal to state some facts. Sorry. Oroboros, The Spanish Inquisition was a State run Inquisition. There were many reasons for it. But the straw that broke the camel's back was the invasion of the Turks on the city of Oranto--where 12,000 people were killed and the rest made slaves. They killed every Catholic cleric, and even sawed the archbishop in two. So Isabella of Spain sent a fleet over to help the Italians. But eventually it became apparent that these Turks were capable of doing this to any coastal city, so the state sought out those people who claimed to have converted to Christianity (Catholicism), but really hadn’t. But those were different times. Greg SC
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    Tell that to fhe victims of the spanish inquisition, the native peoples of many countries (including america) who were slaughtered in the name of Chist. I disagree in the stongest terms that you can make such sweeping statements about different religious groups. Within each group there are zealots of that are intolerant to the point of genocide towards people different than themselves. And intolerance is the least Christ-like thing I can think of. But it is amazing how perverted dogma is fostered by so many of various 'professed' faiths. Greg, I believe that there are great and true persons of ALL faiths and they are known by their works. Just as there are persons involved in all faiths who make the practice of their beliefs so venomus and toxic that their efforts poison the culture around them. And I have seen and read about both both the glory and abject horror of the practices of groups in ALL the faiths. Including Christianity. Does that mean that I should judge all christians by such works. If not, please don't paint all persons of other faiths (different than yoursand including Islam) as being identical to those that profess, but instead practice prejudice, hate, and carnage. Some facts expressed and much stated is my opinion. Take care.
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    We have Muslims here. They are your fellow Heads. They are not "those people." Referring to Muslims or anyone else in such terms is not acceptable here. Don't do it. I say this as moderator.
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Here and there in the forums people are expressing their enthusiasm for particular candidates in the upcoming U.S. elections, while others are saying Enough Already, We Don't Want To Hear About It. So, this is the right place to discuss your favorites (or non-favorites) and other matters relevant to the campaign. If you're not into it, skip this topic! And as for all you non-U.S. residents, if you want a similar topic for what's going on in your part of the world, speak up and I'll start it. Thanks!
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I'm being sarcastic, if he gets elected & we end up with his choice of VP......can't stand it........Can't stand how the vast majority (let's hope not) of America are stupid enough to go for it.........hope for the best!!! xoxox Gypsy Cowgirl
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ps-If I had to move to Canada (relatives up there) I'd be too far away from the grandkids........HOPE 4 THE BEST VOTE VOTE VOTEGC
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Gypsy did you see the pic, that's the first thing that came to my mind was AAAA AAAA where's my nitro. Look at his hand, it looks weird like long nails and creepy. Like that old bald vampire in old dracula movies. HMMM maybe he's a vampire, yes that's it he's a vampire and thats why he 's been around so long. An he sank his teeth in Palin and now she'll live forever. I know what it is you have to be a blood sucker to get along in DC.
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Hey GoGD-didn't see it.......great........xoxo GC
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tried to google it to no avail......what section is it in?
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I witnessed a ture patriot tonight, at 6:15 CMT on msnbc. He asked real questions, of both sides of this decision. He was factual, pointed and wanted a straight answer to a straight question. he pressed for it, he didn't take just an answer, he wanted an answer to the question that was asked. He did this at great peril to his "safety net". He persisted and asked the questions to get answers for all of us. Before the thought of "he must be democrat!", actually he was a lifelong republican, can't tell that about his show, because he is a true journalist and is consumed by the truth and the quest thereof.Don't let the truth off the hook, that was the message. It was real. It was powerful. It was such a search for the truth, for all of our behalf's that I believe I saw a true patriot. Who was this? Search this one out. Peace,pk
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It should come up as: Stars and Stripes, sure your familiar with it. download the paper, click mideast or european edition the only dif is the weather. 21 Oct page 8. I'll keep trying to copy it. PK- was it Hunter S. Thompson? I'm just guessing man.
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GOGD - I haven't been able to find it. In what section is it?? PKPOTTER - who is it you're speaking of? I can't imagine it's Olberman (although I LOVE his commentary, it's pretty apparent he's a Dem - so that'd rule him out).... I do like MSNBC, but find myself watching CNN mostly. ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
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Pappy try the site i posted above go to e-paper the last 7 days. BUT I was finally able to capture it I posted it in Fan Photos. It should show up within the next 24. I tried posting on this forum but couldn't do it. Just hope it will get posted, it's funny so we'll see. Hope it get's alot of feedback.
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It was Chris Matthews........I know,Iknow... He did all of us a grate service. Both spokespersons for each of the candidates on, he asked very relevant questions of both candidates, very even, watched for response....did they answer the questions, or not...did the other party think, the heats on them I'm fine...he observed all of that and came right back to each guest...both guest's. he asked them again, and again.. he pressed both sides until the bs dropped and the truth shown. He has pushed the envelope for this election, to our benefit. pushing harder as he is getting more and more heat. how many of us would keep pushing,after being reprimanded,keep pushing,because you thinks it's right. He is doing that and it is a noble cause and it needs to be witnessed. And in these times of the news recount of the daily events,this should be noticed. just an observation, that I believe shows a true patriot. there are many true patriots here at deadnet as well. many names come to mind. Oroboros,HalR, pappy,good ol gd, and others. These are minds that make you think,hard..and thinking is really good. Just an opinion ,one of many, from an observer of many views. peace,pk
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Nice to be included in such lofty company! Chris Matthews is great. Tim Russert was great, too (RIP)....anyone who can bring out the truth - the REAL truth and not some bs story someone is trying to turn into truth - is wonderful in my eyes. Peace! ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
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Yes, lofty company it surely is. Grate patriots seeking the truth and discussing the issues in a universal sense. Something to be proud of as a member of this community. And I am proud and grateful.peace,pk
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I have to post this somewhere as I almost bust a gut, laughing....although it's pretty sad. Knucklehead of the Year Award Here's what she wanted you to believe: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/23/woman-claims-attack-lin… Here's what really happened: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/24/police-woman-lied-about… I can see her now - at her bathroom mirror with the butterknife....oy. ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
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I saw a great man todaya man with hope a man with ideas a man with dignity a man with strengh a man with courage a man with vision a man with compassion a man with grace a man with presence a man with heart a man with soul and a man with the love of the common man I saw a great man today His name is Barack Obama And I was proud to see him
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Ask not what your country can do for youbut what can you do for your country a mission statement to guide a country. John F. Kennedy A patriot of the highest order. inspired by a friend and visionary in our midst.
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and their future. I voted (early) yesterday. Here in Nebraska, one of the VERY Red states and I cast my vote for Barak Obama. We may not win Nebraska, but the state is slated (according to the news) to have a 72% turnout! That is as it should be. Speak and be heard! That is what the founding fathers envisioned in this grand experiment of America. Get out and vote. And vote your conscience. For our future. And as Hubert Humphrey said "The measure of our society is how well we care for the poor, the disadvantaged, the children, the elderly, those who are least able to care for themselves". This is a great opportunity to reach for justice in our culture. We may all have different beliefs, truths, faiths, and experiences, but we have more in common that we have in differences. And this is our chance to make a difference, to have your voice heard, to affect our future, our children's future. Wasn't it Gandhi that said "Be the change that you want to see in the world"? Peace to all my brothers and sisters (including those who believe different truths than I). We can get there from here, whatever happens. But the boat ain't going to move, if we don't all get our oars in the water. Take care. A West African proverb: " You see the hut, yet you ask where shall I go for shelter?"
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Another american hero? Yes. He's a "Brit" aka "a wonderful friend" Has all of our best interests at heart he cares about this country and speaks out for it Yes, He's a "Brit" Thank you John
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John Cleese on msnbc, speaking words of wisdom.The post above by Oroboros, speaking words of wisdom. And soon the one who guides this wonderful country, will speak words of wisdom That is hope That is all of our dreams Let it Be, Let it Be
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I would vote for you, could I be secretary of music? A new, but needed position. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Here's to a better tomorrow!!! "you can't go back and you can't stand still, and if the thunder don't get you then the lightning will" The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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I know that domestic issues will be uppermost in the minds of voters. That's quite understandable, but US voters find themselves in a unique position. The choice you make will affect the lives of everyone on the planet and maybe even the health of the planet itself. So when you make your choices, please think about which of the two possible regimes might best balance the inevitable pursuit of self interest with the need for a peaceful, sustainable and just world.
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I'll be voting for the first time in years on Tuesday. Gonna stand this country on it's ears! No more trillion dollar debt, no more killing, no more hate, no more racism and bigots, no Palin fem-nazis, no more world Domination and greed. No more getting or stealing our energy from other countries. This is the Greatest country on Earth. We are also the richest and no American should be without healthcare, food or homeless. The Republican's say they are Christians... but kill in the name of GOD. I thought the Ten Commandments said "Thou Shalt Not Kill"? Where is the small print that says, thou shalt not kill unless? We say we are a Nation under God. But live one way on Sunday and completely different on Monday. Money rules Everything in this country. Yet the Bible says it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into Heaven. Somebody is telling us twisted lies! Too much Hate in this world. If I had my way we would have another 1960's uprising and THIS TIME.... Get it RIGHT! Love can Change the World! I'll not stand for another single day living on a planet filled with greed and hate and fear. If that's the way the people in this world want to live then I'm Ready to leave this Godforsaken place and go be with all our loved ones who have passed to the next level. There must be people with love and compassion in their hearts somewhere in this Universe. I don't expect Everyone to see things the same, but wouldn't it be nice if we could all get along and take care of each other? Hate breeds hate. We reap what we sow. If this world has lost the warmth in their hearts to want Peace and Love... Then I Pray for Jesus to come take me HOME! I know voting for Obama won't solve all our problems, but it's a step in the Right direction. And if he truly is the anti-Christ then you'll know it soon after he rises up after being mortally wounded. If that's the case, then see ya! I'm outta here! Until then... Can't we at least TRY one more time to reunite this country and bring back it's Goodness that was for so many years the envy of all the children in all countries to come live here where the statue of Liberty say's; "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of you teamming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Or is that just for show and has no Real heartfelt meaning? I'm sick of the lies, greed and hate. So go vote and PRAY we get it Right this time! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals!
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probably this post was copied and pasted from an email the dude was sending... I'd guess that. peace.
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it's a democratalist...uh......republicrat.........er,capitalcrat?.............oh my
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i'm still tryin' ta figure out when words like conservative and liberal became so insulting
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Jm-who cares when they became so insulting because look what has happened the last 8 yrs-insulting to all of us-any kind of Americans....xoxoo Gypsy Cowgirl
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I've been waiting for tomorrow for a long, long, long, long time. Go big "O". Peace! New ones coming as the old ones go Everything's moving here, but much too slow now
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I care, because we are all americans.......even the two fools running for office....this goes alot farther back then the "current" bush administration. the divisive nature bugs me because we are all entitled to have differing opinions, we are guaranteed that by the constitution which, i must add, i have sworn an oath to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. i hope whoever takes home the cake tomorrow remembers that single vital document because it defines us all as a country and it gives us rights AND responsibilities that we too often take for granted, others dream of, and blood was spilled to secure........now....about that cookie
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Someone recently made mention of the fact that most Christians are Republicans. I have found that to be true, to a degree...maybe it's more vice versa. Funny though, not the killing part, but the fact that some of Senator Obama's views are being considered "socialist" by the Republicans....sorry, isn't it part of Christianity to "help thy brother?" And didn't a WHOLE bunch of Republicans (including their presidential nominee) recently vote in a bailout for Wall Street? What's more socialist than THAT?A little socialism never hurt anyone....it's not like Obama wants the US Government to control everything....such a silly attempt at creating a "buzzword". For those still "on the fence"....I'll just let you in on a few things that happened to me here in the swing-state of Pennsylvania within the past 24 hours. I received 3 mailers and 4 phone calls from the McCain campaign and 5 phone calls (no mailers) from the Obama campaign. The calls & mailers (some of which are downright hilarious, yet sad) from the McCain campaign were ALL attacks on Barack Obama. EVERY one of the 5 calls from the Obama campaign were asking me to volunteer to get people to vote. Quick note on the McCain mailers...the first was one reminding me that Obama said Western Pennsylvanians were clinging to guns & religion. The second mailer asked if I really thought Obama was a Christian, or a Muslim and warned me that a vote for Obama would mean a 500% increase in guns & ammo tax. Er....uh...what do you think I am? A gun-toting religious freak? Hahahaaaaaa......I had to laugh...really. The phone calls were robocall surveys. When I would answer that I was voting for Obama, the machine started spewing "facts" that Obama's first legislation would be in favor of partial-birth abortions. Right. Not on an energy bill, or anything like that - he's gonna go right for that. Another wonderful "fact" was that he would make states like Pennsylvania recognize gay marriages from Cali & Mass and I wouldn't want that, would I? I answered "That wouldn't bother me in the least." Fear....oooooooohhh, the multi-cultural boogeyman is coming! ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
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buy your beer today!! and of course VOTE TOMORROW!!
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tc....in washington state i can buy beer anytime.....but thankfully i received 32 beers yesterday as a birthday gift. strange quantity, i know............
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it is not necessary to be religious, or a nut to own firearms. ya don't hafta be a republican, or a democrat,or even have any political affiliations. ya don't hafta have short hair, or long hair. or wear a tie, or tie-dye, wing-tips or sneakers, birkenstocks or western boots or any shoes at all. you don't even hafta like other peoples music. over 75 million americans legally own firearms. i am one of those americans, as are many deadheads-believe it or not!!. it's one or the rights that i spoke of that people take for granted.....of course you don't have too either. you don't even have to LIKE them, but i firmly believe that it is one of our checks and balances and a right that we should not lose.....i would prefer to not have prices go up any farther..........now to all of you who disagree with me.....that's another of your rights....just please don't hate me or insult me or think badly of me, i love you all-we are brothers and sisters.....jeez, even PIG sang of a shotgun fulla rock salt. nw......c'mon......lets all have a cookie and a beer.......please??oh......and i'm not voting for sen. mccain either.........ok beer and cookies ,ok? puhlease???
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7706572.stm I got 9/10. would have gotten 10/10, but went straight to the sad grampa answer, didn't read the question carefully asking which one was NOT mentioned; but I didn't see the SNL show,just sound bites from it, the only bit I saw was the sad grampa. might have gotten that one wrong anyways. the other day my old lady mentioned something she read about Obama's aunt, I wouldn't have known that one otherwise. Totally guessed on the after voting thing for McCain and got it right. I was thinking along other lines (go home and _ _ _ _ ) which wasn't a choice in that 'poll' "uhhh, huh huh huh. he said 'poll'" - Butthead voice. peace.
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You got to "score" with your "poll."Heh heh. Heh heh. Heh heh heh... Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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I'm withya all the way, brother. It's anyone's right to bear arms....just try not to arm any bears, they're already dangerous enough, as it is. My point was simply that McCain's team was trying to say, "Look what he's calling you!" Then, they go ahead and basically make the same remark. Stoooopid. Anyhooo - I've already voted and now, we wait. What a glorious, historic day. Sunny & approaching 70 in the 'Burgh!!! ~ Pappy www.theCAUSEjams.com "Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
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In line at 5:25 am, I cast my ballot in 5 minutes: good grief there were a lot of judges to retain. I didn't realize there were 5 folks running for president. Finally, we can look forward to car commercials again. As far as cookies and beer: I'll pass on the cookies, but an India Pale Ale is in the near future: Hercules, 90 day IPA, Racer 5, Flying Dog???
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how's a-boot a jelly doughnut and some Molson ey! I own firearms too, guess I'm just a Freedom fighter or maybe freedom rider. choclate chip cookies go great with beer but maybe not as good as bear claw. nummy
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i don't much care for canadian beer, tastes too much like bud(weiser), but i'll keep one on ice!!i drove past my polling place just after mass...like 0815......line around the block!! figured, ok, have breakfast and go back....people will be at work....0930....line has DOUBLED!! it's great to see americans taking advantage of their rights!! HEY, HEY, USA!!! i got some dead loaded on my phone.....and it has a speaker....that should thin the line out....or i can sneak in while everyone's twirlin'!! heehee!!
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How bout a Guiness my friend, or your choice I'll buy. Got a question ever thought of this I'm a federal gov employee but pay federal income tax to which military pay is derived from. so I'm paying my own paycheck, hmmm. And I go walking out chooba, chooba
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I took my 18 year old twin daughters, 1st time voters to the polls today! We walked right in ,no line here, til they srcewed up the machine...leave to my twins heehee..we left a nice line behind us though! Hey I didn't get a cookie or a beer for voting :( Change Rocks!!
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the tax thing is sumpin i realized right after i re-enlisted the first time...and now as a retiree it REALLY hits home....carap! usta tell my chief that i was paying my own paycheck.....so i must be self employed.....so i was goin' home early......(he did'nt see things that way for some strange reason). hey bro...i was gonna keep that molson on ice for YOU!! if yer deployed from ft. lewis i'll meetcha on the ramp when the plane lands!!.......mistah cholly tol' me so!!
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all voting together. hit the store mom....tell 'em put it on johnman's tab!! heehee
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when I went to vote too. Took about an hour, well worth it... I'd venture to say people who have never voted in this nabe are out in droves.
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Yea wish I could just go home early. No man not outta Lewis from Leonard Wood, MO.But hopefully there is going to be a tour this spring and summer and I plan to go where ever, use my combat pay to jetset to where the wind don't blow so strange. May just be up your way. Well I guess it's time to see who's winning this thing. Get to watch some TV tonight yippee.
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i'll take of those flying dogs, johnman thats a grate idea for moving a line along, and marye, i know you are right about that... time for change!