Campaign 2008 - Who Do You Like?

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January 4, 2008 - 10:21am

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marye

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Here and there in the forums people are expressing their enthusiasm for particular candidates in the upcoming U.S. elections, while others are saying Enough Already, We Don't Want To Hear About It. So, this is the right place to discuss your favorites (or non-favorites) and other matters relevant to the campaign. If you're not into it, skip this topic! And as for all you non-U.S. residents, if you want a similar topic for what's going on in your part of the world, speak up and I'll start it. Thanks!

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October 2, 2008 - 4:11pm

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Greg SC

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ISLAM.

Hal R Actually, if enough people say the same thing, eventually everyone believes it. We live in different times. The Crusades started out as a valiant effort to win back the holy Land for Christ, but the travel was long, and many died along the way. The people who usually made it were the strong ones, all brawn, and no brain. But that was a time of knights, honor, and glory. Of course in our day it is easy to look back and see it all as crazy. But to look at history, Islam was spread by the sword. And it has had a continual history of terror and killing. Even in our day, the governments of France and England tried to be nice, and invite them into their countries in great numbers. Today they wish they didn't. These people are uncontrollable, and are demanding Sharia law as the standard rule in these countries. If they don't get their way, they terrorize at night, burning cars and buses, setting aflame whole buildings. Now even the archbishop of Canterbury is calling for Sharia law, to calm the place down. It is like inviting a bear cub into your house when it is young, but eventually it kills the home owner. Christianity is a religion of peace; only when it is not followed, does the terror begin. We need strong leadership in our country; a hand wringer will be trampled upon, and we will eventually have another 9/11. That I do not want to see. Greg SC
October 2, 2008 - 11:22am

#332

Jimmy C.

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direwulf for president

Some folks trust in reason.Others trust in might. I don't trust in nothin' But I know it come out right. Gone are the days we stopped to decide........where we should go......we just ride.
October 2, 2008 - 9:45am

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Hal R

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Peace the way of the land like

when Christianity is adopted or forced as a way of life on a people as a state religion.? Like the crusades? Like when if you don't believe in our way and follow the old ways of being in tune with the flow of the earth we will call you pagans or if you are an independent woman and/or a midwife or an herbalist you are a witch and we burn you at the stake. Christianity has an incredibly bloody history, especially of forcing itself on others. I am not saying other religions don't too and I know many amazing Christians who are very kind and loving people. But don't deny the blood we all wade in as a result of the one true belief as many interpret as Christianity. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
October 2, 2008 - 9:26am

#334

Good ol GD

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Iraq. Is a sewer hole.

Good ol GD Iraq still has some christian communities mostly in the north, the city of Kirkuk is diverse with muslim, catholic. Hussien ruled by fear, murder, expolitation. The country is in much better condition than it was in march 2003. Though things are better for the people I personaly believe they will trash everything once we completly pull out. Maliki delays his own responsibilty for Iraq everyday. the Iraqi people kill each other on a daily basis through murder, bombings and random shootings. Their police and Iraq army are daily car bomb targets here in Mosul. The people just don't seem to really give a shit about prosperity, progress or peace. they will steal you blind in a heartbeat share tea with you in the day and rocket you at night. none are to be trusted. The american soldier puts his life on the line here everyday and the people we are here to train and help don't care. Even if Oblablama get elected we would still not be able to completly leave Iraq for quite sometime and we are being diverted to build up in asscrackistan which has no real end in sight as well. As of today 4,176 Americans killed in Iraq. I really would like to see a positive lost lasting outcome for Iraq so that freedom rings and that so many brothers have not died for nothing. War sucks but is an invitable part of reality.
October 2, 2008 - 6:36am

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TigerLilly

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OY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would be very very careful Greg SC. That comment "these Muslims" not being peaceful is not only dangerous, but wrong. Just gotta look back in history, Guy.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
October 2, 2008 - 2:29am

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Greg SC

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Agreed.

Yes, I've followed that one, as well. I believe they are Chaldean Catholics, who have been driven from their homeland --which was their homeland long before the Mohammedans took it -- and are now scattered all over the world because of the Muslims. I despise this war, and have despised it from the beginning. The Islamists in Iraq actually needed a guy like Sadaam Husein to keep them in order. They do not know what to do with freedom. The only religion that has its own self regulating principles for a peaceful world, is Christianity, and more specific, Catholicism, throughout history. The only reason many States adopted Christianity as a state religion was because when it was followed, peace was the way of the land. These Muslims are diametrically the opposite. May God bless the Chaldeans, but at this point, if we just pull out and leave, like Obama wants, then we leave Iraq a sewer hole with no hope at all. Hey, when you break a window, you need to fix it; when you rip a country apart by war, you'd better not leave til you fix it. Greg SC
October 1, 2008 - 7:02pm

#337

starsleeper

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greg sc

right there with ya buddy, there used to be a Christian community in Iraq, ever since the apostle Peter wrote his epistle there, but now it's gone. Let's all ride this thing out together and show em' how to love! ht
October 1, 2008 - 6:06pm

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Marshun

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Votin' for Bush

I never have before but think I will this time. Now that everything is broken and spiraling out of control, they can go ahaed and fix it. He's gonna get the courts to award it to him again anyway on some technicality or if theres WMD ....no just kidding. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Walk into splintered sunlight Inch your way through dead dreams to another land" Robert Hunter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
October 1, 2008 - 5:04pm

#339

Greg SC

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Thow the bums out.

Happy Trails I tend to think that this election is sort of a waste. It really doesn't matter who you vote for, as they are all a bunch of people to WATCH OUT FOR. Just check out their personal wealth when they take office, then look at their personal wealth three years later. It usually shoots up from about 100k to several million. Where does the money come from? Certainly not their salaries. These people are all snakes in the grass who take whatever money the taxpayers give them, then spend at least ten percent more. Then they tell you that you need to up the ante because you are not paying your fair share. Give me a break. They steal from you, then destroy the banks so we lose most of what we have in the stock market, then the very same yo yo's who got us into this mess, say they can fix it with more of our money. Whenever I see Barack Obama, Barney Frank, or Chris Dodd, talk about how they are going to fix this thing, I envision Cardinal Law in Boston saying, Hey, I can fix the pedophile problem in my diocese. These politicians are no different. That is why when it comes to the remaining Dead members doing a fundraiser for that zero Obama, it makes me quake in my boots. I guess Phil, Bobby, and all write excellent music, but are not the sharpest tacks in the box when it comes to politics. Maybe they should try living in common folk USA. I think they have been corrupted by the Hollywood know nothings. Greg SC
October 1, 2008 - 12:11pm

#340

Good ol GD

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Hey Tiger

Good ol GD Can relate to your perspective, I lived in Italy for 10 years. Their's are quite diff. Yes and can't bitch if you don't vote I lived that way most of my life, but actually don't care much about politics. I honestly haven't noticed much difference between presidents DEM or REP and anything changed. Oh yea the Berlin wall deal that was cool, go go awsome hair guy. Or since 2003 I have spent 30+ months in the mid east. But I don't point fingers at the white house for that. The length is getting a little tiresome. Could just sum up the whole thing as one big shit sammich which we all get to take a bite. Though must say some things are better in Iraq than they were last year and the one before and the one before that and so on. So again I say doesn't matter whose in the whitehouse we will stiil be at war for some time to come. and the kids they dance and shake them bones.

Here and there in the forums people are expressing their enthusiasm for particular candidates in the upcoming U.S. elections, while others are saying Enough Already, We Don't Want To Hear About It. So, this is the right place to discuss your favorites (or non-favorites) and other matters relevant to the campaign. If you're not into it, skip this topic! And as for all you non-U.S. residents, if you want a similar topic for what's going on in your part of the world, speak up and I'll start it. Thanks!

Snake dog Ale is the specific model

Yo TC in AZ: Flying Dog used to have a joint in Denver, but moved out and are in Maryland. Have you ever tried the KiltLifter in Phoenix? A coworker here in KC really likes the brew there. If you ever run into Oskar Blues Beer, check out Dale's Pale or Gordon's. Gr8ful TC in KC

Well, that was quick

Just went and voted. Walked right up to my polling station and no waiting. About half of my district had already shown up, which is usually more than they get for the whole day. This is going to be a record turnout. And about friggin' time, too. I consider voting a social responsibility, and I have yet to miss any election in which I'm eligible to vote in. So if you still haven't gotten out there yet, please do. We're all counting on you! Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.

here i go again

gonna try one more time......can't stand too long, mebbe no line now....gotta do it either way....i don't remember the lines EVER being this long...chargin' my phone now!!! and of course now the wind is kickin' up.........

here it goes again........

listening to CNN-problems again @ voting places in Pa......no problem here in our district of SF.......hope it's the same in the others...TODAY IS YOUR VOTING DAY!!!!! NO OTHER....!!!!! ADAMENT ABOUT YOUR REGISTRATION-I'm quoting CNN...... xoxox Gypsy Cowgirl gotta run

What a wonderful feeling

Like swimming in a clear cold topaz blue mountain lake high in the sierra's.That feeling when you walk home from voting. Totally blissed out and smiling. We can change the world, one vote at a time. peace,pk

damn!!!

in line at 1245........finished at 1510....2 hrs 15 min in line.......once i received my ballot was another 10 min 'til i was done.......i will now drink all of the beer, stand aside!

I'll remain cynical and

I'll remain cynical and skeptical till all of the votes are in, but Barack seems to be aHEAD. peace.

hal r

'spose i should let him know that he might be the new state auditor AND public lands commissioner for washington

Obama hopeful

Well I voted in 5 minutes here in Fl., no waiting. Speaking with my friends wife earlier, she said maybe Obama's grandmother could help him more from the other side. I told her I had goosebumps just hearing that. Peace

Thank you!

Pennsylvania goes to Obama! Thank you Bobby, Phil, Billy, and Mickey. For your grate efforts to bring us the change we need. peace,pk

Turn out the lights

Republicans, because the party's over. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.

Right now in the Red State of Nebraska

Obama 49%McCain 49% actually Obama is ahead by 132 votes at this point. This is unbelievable. Nebraska hasn't split our electoral votes since 1964! Hey Hal, we got out the vote!!! The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.

Not since John F Kennedy,

Not since John F Kennedy, Oroboros. Very fitting.

wow, amazing

AP is just announcing that Obama won Virginia. Whoa! Polls are still open for ten minutes in California. Maybe longer if people are still lined up!

This is a magical time. Wow.

This is a magical time. Wow. He will win california,oregon, and washington and thats the start of a new era.

OBAMA WINS!!!!!!!

Rockin' my world

Finally.................

yup, seems to be official

here's to an end to our long national nightmare.

Glad to end this one

The right man won.now the all the hard work starts.He has one hell of job ahead of him

Your'e right pabogoniagirl1,

Your'e right pabogoniagirl1, but we will all help.

YEAH!

OK, I've been politically ambiguous to this point, because well, I'm like that. I guess I've hinted at my stance as I tirelessly monitored the Change Rocks concert info as well as the DH for Obama concert info, so I would like to now simply say, "YES!!!!!" I'd also like to say, "Oroboros - much love! I still listen to those discs at least 2-3 times a week and I'm still stuck on 6-9-77. It just never gets old for me. Love!"

YAY!!!

Wonderful new historic day. World over here seems to be exhaling in relief.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens

well done USA

I think you made the right choice..someone who can start to undo the enormous harm done by GWB and cronies. Please keep him safe and give him time!

Historic

The election of Obama as the US President is historic. And like many historical figures, he may just find himself on a stamp someday. Food stamps that is. Americans have collectively voted that they want more government programs and are not willing to take full accountability and responsibility for themselves. Furthermore, American ingenuity will dampened with all the tax increases. It appears that there is a fundamental change taking place toward more socialist programs and activities across America and the globe. I am totally against redistribution of wealth. While I don't have much, I want to keep all I have and get. All were fed up with That (the Bush Administration) that they elected This (Obama), when This is not that great either. But it is what it is and we move forward.

So Grateful

So happy ....... It's like seeing a very good old lost friend back with a large smile on his face ....... BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO ............... Sad black and wite time 's over let's get into the mixing colors years .... Grateful Marek from France.

Dancin' in the Streets

The post-election party in Grant Park looked like a real good time! Good luck, Mr. President-elect, in building an effective Cabinet. Congress has a few more Democrats to grease the wheels of progress.

and here's to the Democrats

not falling into their time-honored pattern of succumbing to hubris and adopting all the vile behavior that got their opponents thrown out--cronyism, corruption, pork, coziness with lobbyists instead of the citizenry, etc. I for one am not forgetting for a second that the evils of the last eight years are the result of Bill Clinton's pathological inability to keep his pants zipped or tell the truth, and I do not want to see this movie and its aftermath again. When you have a pack of slavering Newties determined to use any pretext to bring you down and the well-being of the country depends on their not succeeding, cavorting with interns and lying about it is arrogant, borderline criminal stupidity from which it is perfectly clear that Rhodes Scholars are not immune.

I hear you, Mary

I don't care what anybody does with their own time, just don't do on the Democratic Party's time. What didn't Clinton get? That guy changed the course of history with his stupidity. Dan White of San Francisco could't face the city he grew up in after what he did. Clinton's walking around like nothing happened. Republicans can get away with that, but not a Democrat. What didn't he get? I will never figure that one out.

very impassioned and well said

marye, but please what is a Newtie? (blush)********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens

have a cigar

oh, yeah, marye, that is so right on. I have always thought it quite shameful that in our land of opportunity, we only have a two party system. makes me want to 'Ralph' (throw up) yuk yuk yuk... ( -; yeah, yeah yeah, I know all about them libertarians, and the greens, and the indies et al; but they don't have any real chance of winning... but from this 'Nadir' I dont see them winning nationally. but quite honestly, I never thought I'd live to see the day that a man of colour would get in the 'White' house; so I hope I'm wrong about not thinking the other 'parties', the lesser known, lesser funded candidates may someday get in there, too. here's hoping about that for the long term future. meanwhile, I hope Barrack will get this country back on track, have to keep raising the 'Barr' on him; I hope he rises to the challenge... and I especially hope and pray some ignoramus bigot racist asshole doesn't kill him.

Newt Gingrich

Newt Gingrich type, newtie I also hope someday there will be a tie-dye room in the White House!! maybe replace that 'yellow room' did I ever tell you folks the story about how I puked all over a set of beautiful marble stairs INSIDE the White House? c. 1977/78 Carter years. too many peanuts early in the am, I reckon. peace.

Obama

Well , now that the dems are in full control, they can't blame the rascally republicans any more. They control the executive branch plus the legislative branch. I don't want to hear any more whining from Tom Dashle. If they screw this up, then we can throw the bums out in in 2010 and 2012. "I do believe in spooks, I do believe in spooks, I do, I do, I do, I do, I do"--Lion Wizard of Oz

the times they are a changin

God bless America, President Obama, and everyone who voted. I'm so happy!

Time

Remember, it will take some time to repair all the damage from the last 8 years. I hope he's up to the task. I voted for Obama, and proud to say so! Peace everyone

Some Good things

I guess one of the best things about this Obama win, is many of us will get our redistribution checks from the man. He said he will be increasing taxes on the rich, so I'd expect him to be whacking Bobby, Phil, Mickey, and the other members with higher taxes. Then turning around and handing the money over to us. We might see it as getting a discount, or bonus coupon back, for all the money we give them during the year. Hey, go Obama! Greg SC

maybe just maybe

maybe just maybe... if Weir, Lesh, Kreutzman, and Hart gotta pay higher taxes they will hit the road for a new The Dead tour. I'd also love a combo Phil and Friends / Rat Dog tour. AND, I want Hunter to be the opening act. ( -; peace.

Ahh..just like the good old posting days!!??

Here we go again, like deja vu all over again.Best to stand up and help your neighbor, than sit and criticize. We can all have a hand in making this country great again, together, as one, against all odds. Like this band I heard, they were, and are, really cool. They came up against the norm, started with a small following, leaving people saying, wow, these guys are really different. They seem unrehearsed and very improvasional. They don't use que cards, seems to come from the heart. Hey, thats the same song...oh thats a different arrangment..it seems they keep thinking and trying to make it better. Trying to make it Just Exactly Perfect. They crossed the aisles..thats Branford Marsalis playing with them, isn't he a jazz musician, hey thats Hamza El Din, isnt he egyptian... and they recreated a song and it was as if it had always been played that way. They have a wonderful and varied following. They are all individuals and they are very different, with a common goal, a goal they are still tyring to perfect and define, and it is like life itself. It never ends. Always trying to make it just exactly perfect. Always evovlving, always thinking. New ideas, always thinking, not afraid to climb out of the box. Not afraid of different ideas. It seems like what Barack is doing is much the same in it's essence. And he needs all of us to help with ideas, effort, and support to make this world around us just exactly perfect. "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" John F. Kennedy peace,hope and a new era. pk

and on another happy front

I just learned that John Leopold, an old pal who's sometimes seen around these parts, won the runoff election for Santa Cruz County supervisor in his district. Having known John since he and twin Dave were 18-year-old Heads back in the day, and having actually been his wedding photographer, I've gotta say, WOO HOO!

Congratulations John!!

That is really grate news. About time, the world is coming around. WOO HOO TOO!!! ps I love santa cruz, a favorite spot.

Now I can quit my job

Man, I've been waiting for Obama to win so I can quit my job, and get taken care of. I think I might just take the moment to thank the Lord, and then write a personal letter to Obama, saying how I need his help. This is going to be a great four years. Thank you Obama, you have promised alot, but don't take off that Santa Clause suit, as I'll be needing health care, car insurance, gas subsidies, food stamps, etc. Man, my excitement has yet to stop. Greg SC

Nice Attitude

Geez, I hope everyone is thinking like you Greg, then nothing will get done and we can all starve.

yuck a tick

gonna change your name to richard, greg?no one has a magic wand, it don't get fixed if everyone doesn't help!

It's all in the attitude.

It's all in the attitude. And with attitudes like that.....it's ok, I believe lots of grate people will help and thats ok if you don't. Just sit back, criticize,be cynical, it's ok. We will all make sure you have a better world to be miserable in, no worries.

i'm not saying he's 100% right

but i believe he's saying that government is far too involved and this could easily become what alot of people view as a "nanny state" where the powers that be take care of everything and there is little or no personal responsibility.many of our larger cities have generations of people who have lived on welfare, without attempting to better their lives themselves. now i am not saying he's right, and maybe his view is extreme, but we are all entitled to our opinions and he might be closer to the truth then we realize.

johnman

1st have a cookie, now i agree with what you say about the "inner cities" and welfare and those ticks... but just possibly some will see that they do have a chance now, change can only come about if the majority roll with it. if everyone plants their feet and refuses to budge then nothing happens! it is a group effort!!! like pk said, it's attitude, positive is good, negative is bad!now have another cookie : )

I think anyone who looks at

I think anyone who looks at Barack Obama and believes he is just going to hand out checks to folks for the sake of hand outs is not paying attention to his past, or present ideaologies. He has worked as a community organizer, to help give people a hand up to contribute to society. He states he wants to help kids get into higher learning if... they give back a substaintial effort to the country. He is way past "the welfare state" , he is looking to get everyone working and contributing to our country. I believe if you worked for Barack Obama you would have to work hard and you would be rewarded. this is his whole lifes goal. As opposed to a few getting "rich" , both in money and resourses and leaving the many,many others out there with no money or resourses, and what do you do with that, especially the latter. What you do is stagnat, Watch, but remember, you must put out the effort to make it work before you can sit and judge that it is a failure. Time to get to work.

did'nt say he was 100% right

just an opinion and i'm reserving my own.....a wait and see kind of thing, but i'm hoping my taxes don't go up.....i can't afford them now, i always seem to owe every year. i aint got a job just the $800 a month i get from the navy, and they want to garnish that. i've never cheated on my income tax and i don't know how many people can say that. i can't take much more.