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Here and there in the forums people are expressing their enthusiasm for particular candidates in the upcoming U.S. elections, while others are saying Enough Already, We Don't Want To Hear About It.
So, this is the right place to discuss your favorites (or non-favorites) and other matters relevant to the campaign. If you're not into it, skip this topic!
And as for all you non-U.S. residents, if you want a similar topic for what's going on in your part of the world, speak up and I'll start it. Thanks!
it occurred to me this morning
that Obama getting elected is more or less like the Berlin Wall coming down in terms of a classic photo op triumph over the forces of darkness. However, as we have seen, the fall of the Wall didn't bring paradise to Germany and it's not going to miraculously make our problems go away either. What it might do is give us a better shot at fixing them, and certainly of getting our own lives back free of surveillance, intimidation, and infringement of our liberties.
Taxes
To Greg SC & Johnman - don't sweat it so much. I understand some worry - it's all different. But read: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf
My guess is things won't be exact, but we should all hold EVERY politician accountable.
Finally - the whole socialism thing...get the @#(*$& over it. The lousy (but necessary) bailout that passed is more socialist than any program Obama wants to start. He is not for National Health Care (that was Hillary, for those paying attention). READ.
~ Pappy
www.theCAUSEjams.com
"Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
oh hell pappy
i agree with you on accountability......i'm just frustrated, worried about my home, my child, etc...thats why i say we'll just hafta wait and see....either way this election was an historic event
You da man...
Johnman.
FURTHERMORE - I'll take you up on the cookie & beer!!! I'll be crackin' a nice Stone IPA when I get home today! And I loves me all sortsa cookies!!! Mmmmmmmmmmm!!!
PS - check this out, Johnman:
http://www.archive.org/details/theCAUSE_Halloween2008_PDs
My band from 11/1/08 right after the Rat Dog show in Munhall, PA....hope ya like it!
~ Pappy
www.theCAUSEjams.com
"Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
cautious
Actually, I am going to cautiously, and I mean cautiously, sit back and watch to see what this guy is up to. Will he surprise me and be a centrist leader? Well, he might, but my gut tells me the weird stuff will begin as soon as it looks like we are beginning to come out of this economy. Until the economy begins to perk, though, I think he will be careful not to cause it to worsen. Because now it is his, and his alone.
The buck stops with the president. We found that out with Bush. In other words, the Dems had the house and senate the last 2 years, but all we kept hearing was "eight years of Bush," when in reality it was 6 years of Repubs, 2 years of Dems. So from this point on I do not want to hear any nonsense about George Bush, when it is Obama, and only Obama. Remember the Buck stops with the guy on top.
So, how has Obama done the last two days? Well he drove the stock market down 10% for starters; it is, however, up a little today. In the long run we will see how businesses like it with this guy at the top.
Greg SC
sorta laughable, GregSC...
"Well he drove the stock market down 10% for starters"....
Yeah, he marched right in there and said, "STOP BUYING NOW!"
The market fluctuations are a result of a whole lotta stuff, not just the choice of president. Come on. Just because Bush got blamed for a lot of stuff, don't go aimlessly swinging. The economy is in the crapper LARGELY because of the Iraq War spenditure - as well as all the crap that the lovely Mr. Greenspan ol' Slick Willie left lingering around and W and his crew neglected to repair. It's a combined effort. I think things JUST MAY turn around when we stop spending 23gazillion dollars a minute in Iraq. Just my opinion....
~ Pappy
www.theCAUSEjams.com
"Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
73 more days
Remember the Current Occupant has 73 more days to spend in Washington, D.C. After President-elect Obama moves into the White House, the Texas Tumblweed can return to lassoing armadillos. Meanwhile, take advantage of good buying opportunities in the market: Sirius, GE, Ford, GM, PG.
We all should be praying that no serious environmental attacks are waged upon our forests, coastlines and arctic ecosystems.
HEY!!!!!.......
how dare you people come in here and make sense?? what's the big idea?? i thought this was supposed to be about politics?
Hey wait a min.
hey Pap the 23 gazillion keeps me in beans and bullets, ha ha. yea this war deal is getting a little long I've been directly involved since 01.What year is it? Anyway seems like the markets all over the world are taken a dump, guess there all related. I think the Iraq Afghan spenditure is around 420 gazillion. And don't really think the people of these nations give a shit they suck off us as much as they can. Was reading some stuff in Stars and Stripes about how much the military, all brances spends on fuel to keep this deal going. i can't remember the exact numbers but it was in the bazillions, in a country with huge oil reserves who don't fund any of their own stuff.
Thought wars would boost an economy, think that it did for awhile but now were at a stablization period in Iraq and is costing us a shit load and the people were helping don't chip in or give a flying f. We'll all see in a year or so when Iraq takes full control of there country it will turn back to a dictatorship and remain the asshole of the world.
Ted. believe he'll be going back to do some goat roping too.
Pappy
Pappy, Just wanted to give you a taste of the silliness we've heard from Obama during this past year. You'd think that George Bush ran the House, Senate, and Oval Office the way he was blamed for everything. But hey, I guess the buck stops with the guy on top. So since we heard how George Bush caused the stock market to crash, then we can assume that the market balked at the Obama win. Hey, fair is fair.
Greg SC
Ugh
Greg - I tried to point out the reasons why I thought the market was the way it is. I didn't blame W for everything. Most educated people don't either.
BTW - a gazillion is a kabillion millions.
~ Pappy
www.theCAUSEjams.com
"Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
'hear ya pappy,but still amazed at what politicans get away with
Hey, if a billion, is a thousand million, and a trillion, is a thousand billion, then a gazillion must be the price of a gaz-o-line.
Greg SC
Come to Kansas
We're under $1.90, approaching $1.80 Gr8fulmom.... think it will stay low for Christmas?
Do I get a cookie?
I happen to love all that social stuff. I go to the church of the public library. I love social programs (Public Health has been there for me), public parks and beaches. I love these public roads I drive around on and public buildings - museums, aquariums, the public squares. Kids need public places to grow. It's one world now. And it has been since airtravel and tv blew open those doors. I think a lot of people all over the world think we need a new take on things. Let's get eachother's basic needs met. We aren't dancin' in the street for nothing. We're dancin in the street 'cause it's good.
DOCKS!!!
THANK YOU.
~ Pappy
www.theCAUSEjams.com
"Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places, if you look at it right." - Robert Hunter
Hey Nebraska split our electoral college vote
for the first time since 1964. We are one of the two states (Maine is the other) that will split their electoral college votes.
Nebraskas's split is based on who wins in each of NE's 3 congressional districts.
But our votes did count on the electoral college distribution, even though McCain took the state.
The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
Why are the Great Plains states so Red?
Montana, Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, and even Missouri went for the Republican candidate: McCain is not known for being a conservative. With such strong agricultural roots, what issues keep our neighbors from voting Blue?
They are
Gr8full Ted, just too far from the blue ocean......only reason I can figure out....although I thought Missouri went blue, but haven't checked lately....oh, well, we're all one now hopefully-red, white & blue....The United States-hope the deep south can figure that one out.....& that's not meant as derogatory on the deep southxoxo Gypsy Cowgirl
Oroboros
I don't get the split the electoral vote thing??
If McCaine took the state, what was the split? just curious.
as to the other states that went red, some folks just listen to / believe sound bites / mis-information / bull shit.
there was some ignoramus on the radio, saying he wouldn't vote for Obama because his middle name was "Hussein" on the ABC news, I think it was, an older, crew cut white guy, who believed the Dems are 'socialism'
Hal, There are 2 states that split their electoral vote,
Maine and Nebraska. I don't know how Maine does it.
In Nebr the winner of the total popular vote gets 2 of the 5 electoral votes right away. Then the rest of those votes are awarded by who wins in each of our 3 congressional districts. Those 3 discricts are Lincoln (and surrounding area), Omaha (and surrounding area), and then the rest of rural Nebraka.
So Obama won the Omaha area so he got 1 electoral college vote, and he was ahead in the Lincoln area but didn't prevail so McCain got 1 electoral vote, and then rural NE was overwhelminly McCain, so he then he got another vote. Nebraska's electoral vote total is McCain 4 and Obama 1.
We almost carried the day in Lincoln for Obama and that would have been another vote, but we didn't quite make it.
I am opposed to the electoral college but I believe that if the votes are split, then the process gets this republic a little closer to a democracy. But not close enough for me.
Abolish the electoral college and popular vote should win the Presidency.
Nebraska lesson and pontificating complete (for now). ;o}
The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
hal???!!!!
hal???!!!!
thankx for the explanation on Nebraska's split vote, brother.
that does indeed seem more fair, and I agree, we'd probably be better off with no electoral college thing, makes it look like a landslide, which I don't think it really was. not to mention the fact that W. wouldn't a been there in the first place had real votes actually been counted correctly and fairly.
peace,
I remain,
your "pal cc JOEy"
but Oroboros
saying I'm Hal is more of a honour than I deserve, brother.
Hal's a "thinker"
me? well, me; I'm just a "drinker"
( -;
peace.
Sorry, CC eojy
I did have hal on the brain when I wrote that (and was in a hurry to get to the football game today. And as you say about the thinkin' and the drinkin', I must say I dabble in both. One better than the other and I will let you (and others figure it out). Practice, practice, practice. ;o}
The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
Later after the Ramblin Bears....
I may need a designated thinker after having several thoughts at Kelly's Westsider
cabinet postions
I think it would be awesome if Governor Jesse Ventura was given the postion of Secretary of Defense!
I agree Johnman
........like Gr8fulTed's comment though....it's all a bunch of #$#%$$$$$$$$$$$$$$xoxxoo Gypsy Cowgirl
Jim Martin 2008!
As most of you know, Jim Martin is in a smear fest runoff election down here in Georgia. If Obama voters truly want change, we need to vote for Jim Martin for US Senate to give Barack the tools he needs to get things done. The GOP is pouring everthing they have into the state because they are scared to death that we will turn Georgia blue again. In fact McCain himself was in town last Thursday campaigning with Chambliss. I am attending the Bill Clinton/ Jim Martin event at Clark Atlanta University tomorrow. I am worried that after 6 years of Saxby Chambliss voting with W 90% of the time, voting against children's health care, wasting time making English the State's official language, etc, etc, we are going to have a tough time getting out the vote for a runoff. Any possitive vibes are apprectiated.
http://www.martinforsenate.com/
Peace -
David
Can I Be A Deadhead and Still Think Big Government is Bad?
Can I Be A Deadhead and Still Think Big Government is Bad?
I was thinking back to the not-so halcyon days of my youth. I don't remember my older hippy friends being pro-government. It was more a movement of mutual support, helping each other in small communes and getting back to a less-is-more mentality (if we ever really 'had' that).
Now that I'm a hard working special education teacher, can I still be a Deadhead and not necessarily believe in and trust the Democratic party or the Obama presidency until I see actual decisions made, and acknowlegement of the responsibility for the good and bad results? I just don't see the answer to what ails us in politics, Democrat or Republican.
You guys inclusive of people like me, too?
Drewster58
"The Xeric Xenophile"
RE: Can I Be A Deadhead and Still Think Big Government is Bad?
NO!
Big Hippy Liberal
RE: Can I Be A Deadhead and Still Think Big Government is Bad?
YES! Of course, my child, we are still one.
Inclusive Hippy Earthmother
hehehe
The combined history (what little we know of it) and emerging antics of The Øne and his henchmen are making the Clinton's look like a bunch of pikers! Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it!
It's unfortunate that the remaining members allowed themselves to get tainted in this ridiculous exercise of a gradual and blatant attempt at the dismantling of America.
"There is a case for telling the truth; there is a case for avoiding the scandal; but there is no possible defense for the man who tells the scandal, but does not tell the truth." - GK Chesterton, 7/18/1908
What for heaven's sake
are you on about Pajak? Have NO idea of what you are trying to say, cept that it seems to me to be something negative. "THe One and his henchmen" "ridiculous exersize of a gradual and blatant attempt at the dismantling of America"???? Too obtuse to know what this is supposed to mean perhaps.**********************************
Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live.
Samuel Clemens
Thanks for the breath of
Thanks for the breath of fresh air TigerLilly, tired of the negative,on with the positive.
Curiouser and Curiouser
I find it a bit hard to fathom that folks who dance to the lyrics "spinning a set the stars through which the tattered tales of axis roll about the waxen wind of never set to motion in the unbecoming round about the reason hardly matters nor the wise through which the stars were set in spin" find my simple little post too obtuse to interpret in light of emerging events on a thread about politricks. I apologize for being too obtuse.
Let me rephrase it - Øbama, The Øne chosen by (I'm guesstimating) more than 95% of the posters on this thread, is turning out to be a crooked dealer, surrounded by crooked dealers, whose crookedness was ignored and even denied by an obsequious press. They will now be given carte blanche to dismantle the foundations of this nation - economic foundations, spiritual foundations, and cultural foundations - the only nation on earth that could provide the economic, spiritual and cultural bubble required to spawn The Grateful Dead.
I am sorry that the remaining members of the Grateful Dead saw fit to get involved.
Is that clearer? Again, I apologize for being obtuse. Politics is a dirty business; not a nice, kind or positive business. If the reality of that is too hard too handle, than this web site may not have been the place to introduce a realm that engenders characters like Øbama and McCain. As the layers of the Øbama Ønion are peeled away, we may all be just a wee bit sorry The Boys played a fundraiser for The Øne.
"The fore runner radiates wild help up far now, gun ships pass so far
Pass me a vote, silly, and how we did it all over
Did it all over, did it all over the road"
-Revolutionary Hamstrung Blues
"LET THERE BE....
SONGS TO FILL THE AIR"............sorry to see you're still squabbling....right on grdaed73! Can't please all the people all the time.....We're all entitled to freedom of the press, expression, thoughts.-at least that's what we've been brainwashed to believe.......xoxox Gypsy Cowgirl
Not sure
that I agree with Pajak's dire assessment but I certainly do respect his right to voice it. The velocity and ferocity of Obama's PR campaign to document non-association with Mr. Soon-To-Be Ex-Governor of Illinois is a bit disquieting, though.
Besides, is there anyone left alive who's surprised that political appointments from Chicago are for sale to the highest bidder? Hello?
Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
i wonder
if brain-washing is the same as brain-dry cleaning? ' course, that may involve far too many (or not enough) chemicals..........and why is it that when people have opinions that vary from the opinions of others, they are assumed to be brain-washed?......could be the "dry cleaning" thing..or......uh........ok, ok....i'll stop
Johnman.....
I was just saying I thought we were all brainwashed....dry cleaning is a good possiblity..Sorry, I'm with Mr. Pid on this one.....guess I better stop, too-got work to do........xoxo Gypsy Cowgirl
I prefer...
I prefer mental floss.
Too many questions were asked too late; too many more never yet asked.
Answers coming forward now should give all pause and concern.
"Crime does not pay ... as well as politics." - Alfred E. Newman
Agree with you in one thing Pajak
and that is that we're gonna be sorry. But do not agree that will be due to Obama. Think the economy in 2009 is going to be worse, and not better-and has nothing to do with Obama just yet.**********************************
Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live.
Samuel Clemens
pajak
Why don't you spit out what you are insinuating? If you really have a point to prove tell us what it is. You are posting vagueness and innuendo because whatever your accusations are, (which we don't even know) apppear to have no factual basis at this time to back them up.
This is an old propaganda trick. Create unrest, uneasiness, discontent, distrust without facts to back what you say. I call your bluff.
Prove it.
By the way what is the problem with the O on your computer?
If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.
William Blake