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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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December 11, 2014 - 7:57am

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wjonjd

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One Man - Peaks

Not really, no. When dynamic range compression is applied, not only do they reduce the difference between the loudest and softest amplitudes, they also then have room to increase the amplitude over the entire range, so that at a given volume setting on your volume knob the volume of the music is louder than it would have been - the loudest sound is louder, the softest sound is louder, and the average sound is louder, than it would have been compared to the same signals prior to dynamic compression and raising the amplitude. This is why dynamic range compression is important in the "loudness wars" in commercial releases for radio. They compress the range, and then have room to make the whole range louder without going over peak and clipping. When you look at the visual representation of the sound from the HD file compared to the 16-bit file, the HD file is "smaller" from top to bottom - it is not as loud, but if you were to analyze it, you would find that the DIFFERENCE between the highest peaks and smallest peaks are, relative to each other, greater. So, while the -10db peak of the CD is louder than the -15db peak of the HD file, it is the CD that has had dynamic range compression applied so that they can then raise the amplitude of the entire signal by some percentage, making the peak volume of the CD louder than the peak volume of the HD file (and the average, and the softest sound as well). When the dynamic range compression is applied the DIFFERENCES between the amplitudes of loud and soft are made smaller - the percentage change is not the same across the spectrum of amplitudes, as the "average" amplitude will not have a change applied (that's a simplification, not exact, and also I'm not sure if it would be the mean or the median or some other midway point that remains unchanged). When they subsequently make the entire signal louder, the amplitude increase is percentage-wise the same across the board. THAT transformation DOES raise the average amplitude. Does that make sense? Obviously, none of this is inherent to either 16-bit or HD 24-bit. It could be applied to either. For some reason they apply it to the 16-bit file, probably because a lot of people don't like it when a CD seems like the volume is too low compared to other CD's they have. In other words, I expect they have to cater to consumer expectations.
December 11, 2014 - 2:59am

#72

One Man

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Peaks

Isn't a peak of -15 dB lower than -10 dB? Doesn't that suggest the HD file is more compressed than the CD? Actually, they probably both have some amount of light compression on them because that's just how it's typically done in the world. It's bizarre that one would be that different from the other. You can hear as little as 1 dB, maybe even less. The first S90 box had lots of audible compression, at least on the individual tracks. It sounds way too smooth to be au naturel, even if the mix of the various signal levels is not always great.
December 10, 2014 - 9:29pm

#73

TN Dead

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pono is a player

Is it possible that a pono player has better components than another portable playback device ? It was designed with this in mind.Same files, different players, different playback results.
December 10, 2014 - 7:04pm

#74

wjonjd

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FourWinds - my apologies

I did a comparison of the CD version of Wake Up To Find Out (actually the one from the full box) and the 24/192 download. I used the first 15 seconds of Estimated Prophet (the software I'm using only lets you start at the beginning, and I didn't take the time to lop off an equal amount from the beginning of both files in order to get to the middle of the file). I chose Estimated Prophet because it begins right away having been transitioned into from the Eyes. The results: The average levels (left/right) on the CD are -17.42db/-16.19db the average levels on the HD file are -17.96db/-16.72 the peak level on the CD is -10db the peak level on the HD file is -15db The Stereo Balance on the CD is -2.14db (diff between L and R) The Stereo Balance on the HD file is -2.43db And the peak frequency on the CD is 14,685Hz the peak frequency on the HD file is 14,109Hz (that's a surprise) So, it appears that they HAVE INDEED applied some dynamic range compression to the CD version, although not a lot. I have NO IDEA why they wouldn't just convert the 24/192 file to 16/44.1 using noise-shaped dithering. The resulting files would be VIRTUALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE from each other. This still says nothing about the inherent equivalency to the human ears of 16/44.1 versus 24/192, but THAT'S IF THEY'RE FROM THE SAME SOURCE. My humble apologies FourWinds as you are indeed correct that they created a master for the 16-bit file that has had some amount of dynamic range compression applied to it. WHY???? Who knows. There is NO (good) reason to do this!!! The 24/192 is not better because it 24/192. It's better because they didn't apply dynamic range compression to master used for it. However, FourWinds, in your original post you wished they would just release the HD 24/192 file already!! WHY NOT wish that they convert the 24/192 to 16/44.1 and LEAVE IT ALONE to create the CD and 16/44.1 files?? That would serve the SAME purpose. And here are the file sizes for that one file: CD: 153,035kb HD: 998,784kb And, they have the same POTENTIAL for audio fidelity. Why not just wish for 16/44.1 files/CD's made directly from the 24/192's? Wouldn't that make far more sense. In any case, you were right - they're not the same. I have no idea why they chose to do this. One Man - Yes, for driving in my car (where I do a LOT of listening) files with more dynamic range compression make it much easier to hear all the music. You don't have to keep turning the volume up and down - up because you can hardly hear it and then BAM you get hit with the LOUD so you have to turn it down again. It is true that the range compression can pretty much fix that problem. Since we would never get two versions of everything with one purchase, my preference would be to get CD's/files that have NO dynamic range compression applied, and then I could apply my to create a set of files for travel (car/plane/walking, etc.)
December 10, 2014 - 6:21pm

#75

dantian

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Got to hand it to you, wjonjd

You have a lot of patience ;)
December 10, 2014 - 6:15pm

#76

One Man

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E72 Box

I'm not sure what is fatiguing anyone's ears, but I hear some kind of pervasive audio distortion in about the first half of the E72 box mixes. It clears up on one of the Paris shows. I have no idea what caused it, but it is obvious to me and I'm sure the mix engineer noticed it eventually but no one bothered to go back and fix those first mixes. It could be inherent in just those first tapes (very doubtful), some kind of A-D transfer issue (can't imagine what), something to do with the Plangent Process (again, no idea), or something else. It still bugs me that these mixes were so rushed. Thank the gods they did not do the same with the '72 Veneta show or the new Spring 90 box. Also, let's not confuse file (data) compression with dynamic range compression. Dynamic range can be severely squashed on ANY recording format if the engineer chooses to do that. The GD archival releases are generally lightly compressed compared to many commercial releases, and I'm sure that is intentional. I actually wish they had a touch more dynamic compression on them sometimes, just to make them sound less jumpy.
December 10, 2014 - 4:16pm

#77

wjonjd

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down mix process

There is no dynamic compression required when converting from 24-bit to 16-bit, and there is no reason to believe they just CHOSE to use any dynamic compression on the 16-bit file, but not on the 24-bit file. Your comment makes it clear (unless I'm mistaken, which I could be) that you believed that 16-bit is INHERENTLY more compressed than 24-bit, which is simply not the case in any way. Unless you have some reason to believe they just chose to compress the range of softest to loudest sounds on the 16-bit file and not on the 24-bit, I'd be interested to hear it. I think that's more than very very highly unlikely. Again, if you are experiencing ear fatigue from the 16-bit files, you have zero chance of improving that by buying the more expensive 24-bit ones except by placebo effect, unless they chose to reduce the dynamic range on the 16-bit files and not the 24-bit files for some reason. What possible reason do you have to suspect they would even consider going through the trouble of instituting dynamic range compression on the 16-bit files (CD's). They were NEVER going to be destined for mainstream radio play, and even if they were I don't believe Jeffrey Norman and his team do that even for releases that ARE destined for radio play. Of course, there is an easy way to answer this. Simply send DL an email to ask Jeffrey Norman (if you can't email Jeffrey Norman directly) if they compressed the dynamic range for the 16-bit release and CD's and not for the 24/192 (or 24/96) on any of their other archival releases where they have made hi-def available. I wouldn't promise my first-born, but I'd bet a lot that the answer will be no. In which case, as the links I posted point out pretty well, you will hear no difference between the two versions, nor experience a different level of ear fatigue or emotional connection - at least not due to the sound coming out of your loudspeakers. EDIT - I decided to purchase the Wake Up To Find Out hi def (24/192) download. I will rip from my CD version direct to 16-bit wav and compare them using a software audio package and should be able to easily tell if dynamic compression was used on one and not the other. I will let you know. I see no reason why they would treat the E72 release differently than the Wake Up To Find Out release as far as whether they chose to modify the dynamic range for the CD's. They both came from multi-track tape masters. Even if they didn't spend the time on the E72 releases that they did on the Wake Up To Find out release, I would still bet they treated the CD's the same in terms of how they transferred the original 24-bit files they mixed/mastered with to the 16-bit files they used to create the CD's. I will report back with the results.
December 10, 2014 - 2:58pm

#78

fourwindsblow

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Compression

If dynamic compression was used in the down mix process no further compression is needed.
December 10, 2014 - 2:26pm

#79

wjonjd

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Grammy Nomination

Yes, Congratulations to all involved. I also believe this box deserves the grammy nod - I believe it surpasses the music in the first box, and the package itself is simply exquisite (as was the first box).
December 10, 2014 - 2:21pm

#80

SPACEBROTHER

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Grammy Nomination

It's only fitting that a Brent era release got a Grammy nod. Congrats Bob, Phil, Mickey, Bill, Dave, Mark, Mary, Norman, Blair and everybody involved! This is the good stuff here.

John Perry Barlow

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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

Surprised!

I, like some other Heads here, was very surprised when I got this email blast. I figured they'd make us wait years before releasing Part II of Spring '90. I figured Rhino would pad the years between with lack-luster releases of lesser material. After too many Road Trips and Dave's Picks that really should have (IMO) been edited and after Sunshine Daydream which (for me) is primarily only of historical value, I decided to limit myself only to later releases. And here it is: Part II of Spring '90. Amazing! This is my vintage. Everything (IMHO) that happened to the Dead before this tour should be seen as a preparation for this tour. I saw the Dead for the first time in '85 and really came on board with "In the Dark" and "Without a Net" so I suspect that this is the end of the road for me and the Vault. I don't really think there's much left in there that I will be interested in. For me it's '76 or later and that only in multi-track. The only thing down the road that I would consider dropping money on is a box of Dylan & The Dead. Please, the god's that be, open the Dylan-Dead Vault! Or an Alpine Valley box! Or maybe a Red Rocks box -- even if it is in only 2-track.

Side notes from a happy day...

Grate day started by knowing it was my Friday=HootieHoo!!Peddled to the P.O. before work and picked up my mail which included Mother McCree's Uptown Jug Champions & Throwin' Stones/Push Comes To Shove '45,both in stellar condition. Got to work and pulled up the site,and 5 minutes later,with a big smile on my face clicked PURCHACE on the new box set. WHEW!! Now off work for 3 1/2 days and starting with a mntn. bike ride this evening and going from there..... Happy days for Deadheads,eh? Have a grate weekend everybody........ :)

Great to hear so many excited.

Been fun following the chats on the DP 10 board the last few months. Love the passion that so many have for the band. Excited for the folks waiting for another release from this tour and later Dead that many fans have been begging for. Not my cup of tea, but seeing it's summer festival season a savings that I can rationalize going to one more with my savings on this release.For those folks that attended these shows it should be a great time bringing back those memories. Have fun with this release. Thanks as always to Dave and the crew for their continued efforts to bring more and more great shows to the light of day and keep up the great posts folks, good, bad, angry, whatever, usually lightens up the day on a regular basis.

Love the 3/29 Breakout

Not many who bought the first Spring '90 (myself included) will feel the need to pick this up... but that 3/29 gig should sell like crazy. I suspect this box will fare much like May '77... maybe 6-9 months before it's toast. It'll be interesting to see how Dave et al time the announcement of DaP 11...

Transparency...

I get that the Rhino folks/TPTB want to sell the physical sets so they aren't stuck with excess product as folks say. Just wish there was a little more transparency with some of these box releases. Digital downloads: Will individual shows be available? Will we have to wait awhile before they are on itunes? If at all. Will 3/29/90 be the only separate show available download? If available as download. Why can't they just lay it all out on the table and save folks some piece of mind.

a pretty moving horsey

You guys are slick! Thanks for the shininess. I hope it doesn't break things.

Sweet!

Another stellar box from one stellar tour. Love this stuff!!! I think Fall 73 box for 2015

Pulled the trigger...

I went back and forth, had the order submit page up for some time before clicking submit, but all of the "Crazy Fingers" of the Spring '90 tour are on this box. Fingers is among, if not my favorite Dead tune (still surprised none have showed up during 30 Days of Dead, yet), and the Brent versions are very nice. So, I did it.

Five Fingers......

....I counted them on my hand! Very under-rated, under-played song. Not on THIS tour though......

Warlocks Box

Jayburg, you are correct, the Warlocks Box was mixed from multi-track and thus should sound stellar. But it doesn't. Jeff Norman did not mix that one for unknown reasons. I find it harsh to the point of pain. Too bad, because there are some great moments there. I don't know what went wrong, but probably something in the analog-to-digital conversion. It completely lacks the warmth that should be present, given modern technology. There really is no excuse for it.

And if I recall....

...that Shakedown, Bucket-> Sugaree opener in Atlanta was pretty kind...

Box 1 buyers remorse? Seeking advice!!!

Maybe not really remorse, but kinda bummed the first box cost more per show and was only remixed in 2 track vs TOO remixed in the 24 track knowing that TPTB did not choose the 24 track for the first one knowing it was available. On the other side of the coin, this box has three Crazy Fingers and a couple of Shakedown Streets... Might have to jump in - probably won't see Oxford 88 or RFK 90 for a while after doing the end of the Brent era pretty strong with the Spring 90 releases. Have to admit, been listening to a lot of the Keith years between the Dave's releases, May '77 and the two Winterland boxsets, have neglected listening to the first Spring 90 set. Knowing that I can get the Branford show independently of this boxset, for those that really know this tour, how do these shows compare with the first boxset. (Don't include the Branford show since I can get that separately). Also is there any audio quality differences between downloads and the cd's? I have one player that plays HDCD, but I usually rip it to Apple Lossless to play via Sonos or play the CD in my car... I don't think there is, but wanted to get real life experience... Thanks

Actually, four Fingers....

...just like Jerry!

there are 4 Crazy Fingers...

3.14(!)3.21(dying to hear this one...) 3.25 4.3 & 3.28.90 is underrated & often overlooked b/c of the other 2 Nassau nights... but, this is a killer show... has sorta a west coast show vibe... this should sound EPIC... unlike the 1st one... ...which has great shows, but they're just poorly mixed :~[ 3.14, 3.24, 3.28 & 3.29 have always been my personal 'top 4 of the tour' so, this is a multi-tracked no-brainer ♤ ps... boblopes check you PMs, please...

Four Fingers - possible game changer...

Thanks - the disc list font and layout is so irritating to the eyes. Step it up web layout designers, you're almost as consistent as the cd disc name checkers... This weekend is now officially back in the 90's - starting now... Ace - got your PM - totally stoked! Looking forward to it.

Five Fingers on the tour....

...four Fingers in this box. Sorry, I got confused in the moment...

Deadhead Wives (Bless their Souls)

After all of the conversation on these boards about wives' reactions to our obsessive tendencies, I have to share that I was on the fence about this release. Actually, I was pretty sure that I would pass and just order 3/29. $250 is a lot of money for two teachers! But at dinner tonight, my wife, who likes the Dead but can't really fathom why I would need to own an ENTIRE TOUR, actually talked me INTO buying it. "It's your thing--you should just suck it up and spend the cash," she said. I am not worthy. I guess I need to stop bitching every time she turns on one of those Real Housewives shows on Bravo. LOL.

Crazy Fingers

Who can stop what must arrive now? Something new is waiting to be born

Shaka Zulu

144 page book? It's like a novel. We really don't know how many more Box Sets there will be. How many unreleased multi-track shows are in the Vault? The audio standards for box sets are very high- there's only so much in the Vault that meets the criteria. And will there be another box set of the magnitude of 8 shows? Still hoping one year 5/4 thru 5/9/77 becomes a box set: May Of '77- The Heart Of Gold Band. And 5/8 is treated much like 3/29/90. Spring of 1990 kind of dwarfed the impending announcement of DP11, hopefully this is revealed soon. 2 of the things I'm most looking forward to with this box (besides 3/29): The sound quality and the first set closing sequences of 3/21 and 4/1.

Sweet!

The single biggest dream release and at the very top of my wish list, and now I can't afford it. Particularly painful because I was at the that Omni run of shows and they were all awesome and still riding the Branford energy.

Fun Little Story...

Spring 1990, I ended up at The Omni on April 2 after hitching from Detroit to Atlanta down I-75. I was in a really weird place as I had just run away from a nasty little treatment center in Plymouth, MI. Not quite 17 with nowhere to go, I was compelled to seek out the Dead, even though it was the end of the tour. After arriving at The Omni, I found a parking lot out back where folks were camping even though camping on site had been recently banned. Met a really great couple who brought me into the fold, fed me and gave me some floor space in their bus so I could get some sleep. I spent all day hanging with them on the 3rd, most of the afternoon spent in the atrium of the CNN Center. I had finished a beverage and the cup was sitting next to my knee. Damn if the suits going to and from work didn't start instinctively filling my cup with spare change. It was odd since I wasn't soliciting it and I'm not keen on receiving handouts, but hey, I was broke and money is money. Made about $40 in 2 hours. As show time approached, the folks who had "adopted" me and I started looking for tickets. This loser scalper was haggling with my new friends, asking for $50 for one ticket. I offered him $30 in change and he agreed to sell it to me so long as I gave it to the girl. Since these two had shown me such kindness over the past 24 hours, I agreed. She gleefully ran for the gate and her boyfriend and I spent another 30 minutes or so looking for tix to no avail. He decided to bag it and go party in the lot, but told me to keep looking since I had miracled his girlfriend, he was certain I'd get in. Not 10 minutes later, there's this girl standing next to the main gate with a serious stack of tickets in her hand. She had jean shorts and a tie-dye on and looked really clean cut. I simply asked if I could have one and she said "Sure, have a good time". I was in a seat about halfway through Shakedown. This was my last opportunity to see Brent, I ended up back in Michigan shortly after this show. Strangely enough, the last show I'd seen before this was exactly one year ago in Pittsburgh. The boys didn't disappoint. Solid show, definite great moments like Scarlet -> Crazy Fingers, the standard NFA tour closer, Bid You Goodnight encore. The vibe and weather were awesome, the band was playing great and there was no other place I'd rather have been at that moment. Thank you to the ticket lady, the suits who throw away spare change, the couple who befriended me, the strangers stopping strangers just to shake my hand during Scarlet, David Lemieux and Rhino for making these shows available to the masses. Releases like this really make me miss the band, the community and all the great times we shared. Enjoy everyone, Fall '89 through Summer '90 is about as good as it gets for heads born in the early 70's, aka "Touch Heads".

Althea...

...was also dusted off and placed on the mantle in Atlanta.....waaay under-represented tune.....the band was jellin' very well that spring...

SpaceBro.....

Let's make this happen,ok?Check your PM in a few...

Spacebrother

Congrats on a dream release for you! You'll manage to get it somehow. Keep the faith.

Looks like they got the message

Le Mobile unleashed and released !!! 24 track analog source. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you !!! I remember the first time I put Without A Net in the cassette deck of my "68 Dodge Dart. Also my first time hearing it. I Just sat there for at least a half an hour with a grin on my face before I put her in gear. At the time my car stereo was worth more than my car. Now this Box Set costs more than my car stereo did then. 24 track Grateful Dead mixed down at TRI studios, PRICELESS ! I miss that Dart.

All good

Can I get mine with all the Brent tunes deleted? Ouch!!

transparency...

read the rollingstone article, says the HD downloads will be available day of box set release. wether or not they will make them available singularly??? would be nice! but at least you know it will all be available (as a whole, so far) day of box set release.

I am such a sucker!

I'm trying to put this in some kind of perspective...I just spent almost exactly this much for a ticket to see Paul McCartney. When in the world did I turn the kind of corner that enables me to justify to myself (let alone to my wife, who doesn't know about this box set yet) plunking down over $500 for a ticket to a concert and an album? Hey, you don't take nothing with you but your soul! Dig! (Sorry, Lennon reference, not Macca, best I could do this morning.) But I do agree with some previous posters, the around $100 boxes are a little easier to swallow. Looking forward to this one, though...

Yawn!

Another over-priced offering from the GD/Rhino! Save your money for something important!

Surprised

I had thought No Way they do another 90's box, but I guess if they can release 22 Europe shows a once, then these 2 boxes over 2 years isn't so crazy.

Hunter Seamons

For the record, Hunter Seamons confidently posted on the Internet Archive board about three weeks ago that this was going to be released. In addition to his matrix recordings, he is definitely "in the know".

Hey Now

Why do I always have an overwhelming urge to go pee after I watch these seaside chats...?!!

24

I'm glad they went with 24 track this time-prob. should have done it last time also even though I'm not really complaining-the sound on box one is clear and transparent. The brightness can be tamed a little with tone controls on the amp if need be. But this box should have stellar sound as the original recordings were very good to excellent. What will they unleash upon us next year for the anniversary? Price concerns-I tend to try to keep it in perspective-there are 2-3 disc boxes being released by other groups from archives that are priced in excess of $50.00. This is a big box with several extras and a lot of labor to mix the shows so the price to me is reasonable and to me at least it is worth it although I will have to economise to justify the expenditure. I have said before-I don't care for downloads-I'm old school so when I lay out the bread I want a physical object. I'm a sucker for the artwork and essays as well. I collected posters in the day and enjoy them immensely as they hang on my walls in the college dorm listening room I have maintained as my sanctum(Ha).

segan63

Hopefully, he and DL can consort on some more Matrix recordings! Does anyone have good examples of shows that have terrible sounding soundboard mixes that are ameliorated by filtering in from Audience (or other) sources?

Hunter The Greek

While I gently poked him then, I now graciously acknowledge that my Magic 8 Ball was wrong. Bad juju. Incidentally, the Polar Vortex makes a better summer houseguest. Here in the eastern mountains we're looking at highs of 70 and lows of 50...yum! / kate

craptacular

I have purchased every box set but I will definitely pass on this one. As many people have already said when this was leaked a few weeks ago by way of the Meet Up at the Movies announcement, “to soon”. I really have only listened to Spring 1990 less than 2 times. Couldn’t really make it through the 2nd listening. Listened to the last box set May 77 near a dozen times and it keeps getting better with every listen. I would have been on board with an early 80’s box but was really hoping for an early 70’s box. As someone has already stated that these are the shows that didn’t make the first box. I might have been more receptive if the offering was paired down to a size similar to the Winterland or Warlocks box but I will definitely purchase the Branford set at my local record store. I really should thank Dave and company for saving me near 300 dollars that I can use for the CSN&Y 74, Garcia release, Allman Brothers release, and the huge box set that I feel will be released next year. My guess it will be on the scale of the Europe 72 box. This new Spring 1990 might take a while to sell out. I think many fans like me who purchase everything are having second thoughts on this offering.

Allman & Dead

How about a box set of the Dead playing 'Turn On Your Love Light' with Gregg, Duane & Peter Green????????????

AWESOME!!

I am looking forward to this one!!! This was such a Grate tour! The stuff with Branford is SICK!!! I am not sure what all the complaining is about, if you don't like it, don't buy it. We are very lucky fans to have such a weath of top notch live releases, not to mention a vast amount of FREE music available. You haters need to move on. Find something that makes you happy and relish it. I LOVE THE GRATEFUL DEAD, and am apprecitive and receptive to anything they throw my way. To the GD family and all the grate people behind the scenes, thank you so much for all that you do, most of us are apprecitive everything you do! Keep up the amazing work!

Will the cover art for each show be different on the digipacks??

Like the first box of Spring 1990 , usually they do a video of dead.net employee exhibiting the digipacks and collectibles. Really liked the way each show had a different graphic. The cover art from this box is excellent. I think I'm going to take the plunge today and pull the trigger.

HA HA

Pretty funny, can't afford, but I skip fast-forward on all Brent tunes... sorry, but true confessions. But he does some nice backing vocals! "All good Can I get mine with all the Brent tunes deleted? Ouch!!"

@Malarkey

Personally, I love all the kvetching on dead. net :)

Price

The actual cost per disc of this set is actually a little less then the first Spring '90 box and only a bit more then the May '77 box. I think for what you get, it is a fair price. Sure, I could go for them eliminating some of the bells & whistles to knock the price down some, but it is what it is and some folks love all of that stuff. I like the book but could do without ticket stubs, etc. But ultimately it is ALL about the music and the music here is awesome! Great shows that will sound phenomenal. 24 track mixing is surely the way to go. This tour is the band at the top of their game. Regardless of which era you favor, this is great stuff for all Heads. I have been tracking the comments here and it is running about 80% positive which is really pretty good since it seems that some folks are never happy with any release! I feel for the folks who will not buy because of the price. I also cannot really afford it either, but if I did not jump on this I would only be kicking myself down the road. I bought it the minute it was announced. I will scrimp & sacrifice, but this is a MUST have. I contacted DL yesterday to tell him to keep up the great work and I said that he cannot ever please everybody with a release. He said "Bitching? Who would bitch and why"? I think that answers once and for all the question of whether he reads the posts here! Anyone who is even slightly familiar with this sight know about bitching! Unfortunately I think some live to bitch. Bitch away if you must, but please keep it civil and do not attack anyone just because they do not agree with you. I myself love the whole 30 year span of the band. I think there is grate music to be found in any given year. I think DL does his best to find that music and to release it. I am glad to be a fan of a band that continues to release grate music in copious amounts. After all, don't we always want more? Hopefully a music addiction will not kill us! We sure are lucky. Much more lucky then what fans of other bands get. So jump on this offering now or you will be sorry down the road. I will be eagerly waiting for Sept. 8th. Rock on

To Each His Own

I've read negative stuff about his release. I thought the original Spring 1990 box was great. Can't wait to fill in the blanks for the rest of tour with this one.

Multi track recordings ?

Does anyone out there know what eras, years, shows etc...were recorded using a multi track process ? 16 track, 24 track.? A list of shows already released that were from a multi track source ? A lot of us have collected great sounding soundboard recordings. Releases like this box set take the sound quality to another level.

Why no bluray?

Hi everyone,It´s my first post here so a big HI from Sweden to all of you! Was wondering why there´s no option of an bluray only audio in the boxed set, Imagine all 8 concerts on on disc, each concert with out interruptions, it´s so annoying when you come to the drums/Jam and have to change cd. I think the extra cost would be easy to cover in a box like this one, I still ordered it bur feel disappointed that they didn´t make the jump this time. Saw that the the CSNY box is including a bluray disc, same with the division bell box. I´m I the only one here who would enjoy that? :) Let me dream big... Next year the complete 72 Europe tour, now available on bluray disc, no extras only the music, actually all the boxes that are already released will be available as bluray disc... Are anyone from Dead.net on these forums and maybe they can take it for consideration for the 2015 mega super fantastic box of all boxes release next year. PS. Still it´s an privilege to be part of this community and being able to get all this fantastic music..!

3/24/90

Edit: I just saw 44moose's post from yesterday. For others wondering: Desolation Row is on Postcards and OMSN is on Without a Net. ****************** I'm all over this one. One question though, they say between the two boxes, Dozin', and the Terrapin releases all of Spring tour has been made available. I might be missing something, but where is the Desolation Row and OMSN from 3/24/90? Ultimately it's not a big deal but the completest in me wants to piece this show together in one folder.

3/24/90

Desolation Row is on "Postcards of a Hanging" and OMSN is on "Without a Net". This is a handy sight for finding release information - http://deaddisc.com/

Spring 90, pt. 2

I hesitated, but finally took the bait on this one. I'm a 68-74 guy. I needed to consider the fact that in the 2 years since Spring 90 pt 1 was released, I still have not listened to probably half of it. I mean probably half of it I haven't even heard even once. Too many short songs with no jams. But what I like I really like. I love that Birdsong with the MIDI and all of the Space jams. I'm starting to listen to the Drums sections and am thinking they are as good as the Space jams. I think all of the PITB and Other One jams are just fantastic! They're just always so short- damn! I made a compilation of the space jams and listen to it often. This new set will have at least 80 more minutes of space. Now if I throw in the Drums and compile everything I can get over 4 hours of drums-space! I wish I could make a compilation of the PITB and Other One jams but don't know how to "cut out" the jams from the vocals. Surely there is software for this but is it difficult to use(?). I also find the kvetching here enjoyable. There's always the inevitable kvetching, followed by the kvetching about the kvetching, followed by the defenses of the original kvetching.

Spring 1990- TOO Box VS Nassau Col. 3/29/90

Wow ! This Box Set looks very cool, but for $275.00 might be tough to justify. As for the stand alone of 03/29/90 Nassau Col. might have to be the way to go for me. Looks like the original Meet Up @ The Movies announcement was correct for the new Box. We're looking forward to seeing this next Thursday, and as the pictures of this come on the "Big Screen". I am sure my wife won't be the only one that asks "So, did you order this already ? ... ruff choice, guess I'll wait till next Thursday night to decide.Weve

"and more of the same"

you can take that as a positive or a negative PTB, no matter what, I appreciate your efforts. You put out a lot of great GD. This release, I'll be sitting on the sidelines. I AM gleefully looking forward to DaP11, whatever that might be. Grateful for life, stoltzfus

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