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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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December 11, 2014 - 7:57am

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wjonjd

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One Man - Peaks

Not really, no. When dynamic range compression is applied, not only do they reduce the difference between the loudest and softest amplitudes, they also then have room to increase the amplitude over the entire range, so that at a given volume setting on your volume knob the volume of the music is louder than it would have been - the loudest sound is louder, the softest sound is louder, and the average sound is louder, than it would have been compared to the same signals prior to dynamic compression and raising the amplitude. This is why dynamic range compression is important in the "loudness wars" in commercial releases for radio. They compress the range, and then have room to make the whole range louder without going over peak and clipping. When you look at the visual representation of the sound from the HD file compared to the 16-bit file, the HD file is "smaller" from top to bottom - it is not as loud, but if you were to analyze it, you would find that the DIFFERENCE between the highest peaks and smallest peaks are, relative to each other, greater. So, while the -10db peak of the CD is louder than the -15db peak of the HD file, it is the CD that has had dynamic range compression applied so that they can then raise the amplitude of the entire signal by some percentage, making the peak volume of the CD louder than the peak volume of the HD file (and the average, and the softest sound as well). When the dynamic range compression is applied the DIFFERENCES between the amplitudes of loud and soft are made smaller - the percentage change is not the same across the spectrum of amplitudes, as the "average" amplitude will not have a change applied (that's a simplification, not exact, and also I'm not sure if it would be the mean or the median or some other midway point that remains unchanged). When they subsequently make the entire signal louder, the amplitude increase is percentage-wise the same across the board. THAT transformation DOES raise the average amplitude. Does that make sense? Obviously, none of this is inherent to either 16-bit or HD 24-bit. It could be applied to either. For some reason they apply it to the 16-bit file, probably because a lot of people don't like it when a CD seems like the volume is too low compared to other CD's they have. In other words, I expect they have to cater to consumer expectations.
December 11, 2014 - 2:59am

#72

One Man

Joined:
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Peaks

Isn't a peak of -15 dB lower than -10 dB? Doesn't that suggest the HD file is more compressed than the CD? Actually, they probably both have some amount of light compression on them because that's just how it's typically done in the world. It's bizarre that one would be that different from the other. You can hear as little as 1 dB, maybe even less. The first S90 box had lots of audible compression, at least on the individual tracks. It sounds way too smooth to be au naturel, even if the mix of the various signal levels is not always great.
December 10, 2014 - 9:29pm

#73

TN Dead

Joined:
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pono is a player

Is it possible that a pono player has better components than another portable playback device ? It was designed with this in mind.Same files, different players, different playback results.
December 10, 2014 - 7:04pm

#74

wjonjd

Joined:
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FourWinds - my apologies

I did a comparison of the CD version of Wake Up To Find Out (actually the one from the full box) and the 24/192 download. I used the first 15 seconds of Estimated Prophet (the software I'm using only lets you start at the beginning, and I didn't take the time to lop off an equal amount from the beginning of both files in order to get to the middle of the file). I chose Estimated Prophet because it begins right away having been transitioned into from the Eyes. The results: The average levels (left/right) on the CD are -17.42db/-16.19db the average levels on the HD file are -17.96db/-16.72 the peak level on the CD is -10db the peak level on the HD file is -15db The Stereo Balance on the CD is -2.14db (diff between L and R) The Stereo Balance on the HD file is -2.43db And the peak frequency on the CD is 14,685Hz the peak frequency on the HD file is 14,109Hz (that's a surprise) So, it appears that they HAVE INDEED applied some dynamic range compression to the CD version, although not a lot. I have NO IDEA why they wouldn't just convert the 24/192 file to 16/44.1 using noise-shaped dithering. The resulting files would be VIRTUALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE from each other. This still says nothing about the inherent equivalency to the human ears of 16/44.1 versus 24/192, but THAT'S IF THEY'RE FROM THE SAME SOURCE. My humble apologies FourWinds as you are indeed correct that they created a master for the 16-bit file that has had some amount of dynamic range compression applied to it. WHY???? Who knows. There is NO (good) reason to do this!!! The 24/192 is not better because it 24/192. It's better because they didn't apply dynamic range compression to master used for it. However, FourWinds, in your original post you wished they would just release the HD 24/192 file already!! WHY NOT wish that they convert the 24/192 to 16/44.1 and LEAVE IT ALONE to create the CD and 16/44.1 files?? That would serve the SAME purpose. And here are the file sizes for that one file: CD: 153,035kb HD: 998,784kb And, they have the same POTENTIAL for audio fidelity. Why not just wish for 16/44.1 files/CD's made directly from the 24/192's? Wouldn't that make far more sense. In any case, you were right - they're not the same. I have no idea why they chose to do this. One Man - Yes, for driving in my car (where I do a LOT of listening) files with more dynamic range compression make it much easier to hear all the music. You don't have to keep turning the volume up and down - up because you can hardly hear it and then BAM you get hit with the LOUD so you have to turn it down again. It is true that the range compression can pretty much fix that problem. Since we would never get two versions of everything with one purchase, my preference would be to get CD's/files that have NO dynamic range compression applied, and then I could apply my to create a set of files for travel (car/plane/walking, etc.)
December 10, 2014 - 6:21pm

#75

dantian

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Got to hand it to you, wjonjd

You have a lot of patience ;)
December 10, 2014 - 6:15pm

#76

One Man

Joined:
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E72 Box

I'm not sure what is fatiguing anyone's ears, but I hear some kind of pervasive audio distortion in about the first half of the E72 box mixes. It clears up on one of the Paris shows. I have no idea what caused it, but it is obvious to me and I'm sure the mix engineer noticed it eventually but no one bothered to go back and fix those first mixes. It could be inherent in just those first tapes (very doubtful), some kind of A-D transfer issue (can't imagine what), something to do with the Plangent Process (again, no idea), or something else. It still bugs me that these mixes were so rushed. Thank the gods they did not do the same with the '72 Veneta show or the new Spring 90 box. Also, let's not confuse file (data) compression with dynamic range compression. Dynamic range can be severely squashed on ANY recording format if the engineer chooses to do that. The GD archival releases are generally lightly compressed compared to many commercial releases, and I'm sure that is intentional. I actually wish they had a touch more dynamic compression on them sometimes, just to make them sound less jumpy.
December 10, 2014 - 4:16pm

#77

wjonjd

Joined:
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down mix process

There is no dynamic compression required when converting from 24-bit to 16-bit, and there is no reason to believe they just CHOSE to use any dynamic compression on the 16-bit file, but not on the 24-bit file. Your comment makes it clear (unless I'm mistaken, which I could be) that you believed that 16-bit is INHERENTLY more compressed than 24-bit, which is simply not the case in any way. Unless you have some reason to believe they just chose to compress the range of softest to loudest sounds on the 16-bit file and not on the 24-bit, I'd be interested to hear it. I think that's more than very very highly unlikely. Again, if you are experiencing ear fatigue from the 16-bit files, you have zero chance of improving that by buying the more expensive 24-bit ones except by placebo effect, unless they chose to reduce the dynamic range on the 16-bit files and not the 24-bit files for some reason. What possible reason do you have to suspect they would even consider going through the trouble of instituting dynamic range compression on the 16-bit files (CD's). They were NEVER going to be destined for mainstream radio play, and even if they were I don't believe Jeffrey Norman and his team do that even for releases that ARE destined for radio play. Of course, there is an easy way to answer this. Simply send DL an email to ask Jeffrey Norman (if you can't email Jeffrey Norman directly) if they compressed the dynamic range for the 16-bit release and CD's and not for the 24/192 (or 24/96) on any of their other archival releases where they have made hi-def available. I wouldn't promise my first-born, but I'd bet a lot that the answer will be no. In which case, as the links I posted point out pretty well, you will hear no difference between the two versions, nor experience a different level of ear fatigue or emotional connection - at least not due to the sound coming out of your loudspeakers. EDIT - I decided to purchase the Wake Up To Find Out hi def (24/192) download. I will rip from my CD version direct to 16-bit wav and compare them using a software audio package and should be able to easily tell if dynamic compression was used on one and not the other. I will let you know. I see no reason why they would treat the E72 release differently than the Wake Up To Find Out release as far as whether they chose to modify the dynamic range for the CD's. They both came from multi-track tape masters. Even if they didn't spend the time on the E72 releases that they did on the Wake Up To Find out release, I would still bet they treated the CD's the same in terms of how they transferred the original 24-bit files they mixed/mastered with to the 16-bit files they used to create the CD's. I will report back with the results.
December 10, 2014 - 2:58pm

#78

fourwindsblow

Joined:
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Compression

If dynamic compression was used in the down mix process no further compression is needed.
December 10, 2014 - 2:26pm

#79

wjonjd

Joined:
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Grammy Nomination

Yes, Congratulations to all involved. I also believe this box deserves the grammy nod - I believe it surpasses the music in the first box, and the package itself is simply exquisite (as was the first box).
December 10, 2014 - 2:21pm

#80

SPACEBROTHER

Joined:
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Grammy Nomination

It's only fitting that a Brent era release got a Grammy nod. Congrats Bob, Phil, Mickey, Bill, Dave, Mark, Mary, Norman, Blair and everybody involved! This is the good stuff here.

John Perry Barlow

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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

donations

I'm willing to donate one sealed DaP 6 or DaP 9 to the SPACEBROTHER fund, if I can please get the new Jerry! That's all I want right now.

space

My pleasure. I had considered suggesting that you post your physical address, but realized that you might wind up being over donated. Be that as it may, do so and use the funds for future releases. I purchase multiple copies of almost every release for fellow heads who are not as financially well off. This music is simply a treasure and nobody as devoted as you should go without. I attended many of the shows on this tour and possess life long joyful memories. But I simply do not enjoy listening to the music any more. To me, the magic is gone. How I envy those who were there in the beginning. Let us know where to send the funds and the money will be promptly delivered. Peace and enjoy. Lastly. PFox - you are a complete and utter tool. Enjoy living off of your parents hard earnings and go find another band.

random thoughts

I too will save for the big anniversary year! The last show I think i saw was in the summer of 89 so… did not see the band after I got married in 1990 (2015 will be a big year! 25 years of marriage and for the Dead as well!) Seems from what I have read/studied most folks think 1991 was the last really solid year for the boys, and things went down from there, with some good nights and some not so good… I remember well where I was when I heard Jerry had died in 1995. Again, by then, I had not seen the band live in about 6 years… I think I always thought I might get back to one more show… but I guess it probably was best I did not… Looking at some of the youtube vids of Jerry at the end… just sad to see, even to this day! Really think he looked good in 1989, maybe the best he had looked in many years… so maybe glad I shut it down there? I goof on Brent a bit, again he was my keyboard guy from 1984-89. And I do like some of his covers: Gimme Some Lovin, Dear Mr Fantasy, Hey Jude is not too bad…sometimes Let the good times roll… but think, when he was at his best, it was doing backup vocals, again, just my opinion with a a distance of 25/30 years… yikes. So I tend to listen to a time frame I did not witness… which is really late 1960s to early 1980 Have a Grateful weekend

Pricing & Sales

Other then the Europe '72 box., I think the cost per disc of this Spring '90 #2 is the lowest one. It comes to 10.43 U.S. dollars per disc. (I am not going to look at taxes or international duties here) Most of the other releases run a bit over 11.00 U.S. dollars per disc, so I think this one is fairly priced. Plus, due to the dearth of Brent releases & later, this one will sell out pretty quickly. For proof of this, look how fast the first Spring '90 box and DaP8 sold out. Some here have been comparing it to the May '77 box. Let's not forget, that one had 15,000 copies and this one has only 9,000. That is 40% less, and for an era that many folks have been asking for. It will sell out pretty quickly for sure. If you don't get it you will probably regret it.As far as 2015, I will worry about that in 2015. Who knows what will happen between now & then. I try to live for today! I have no guarantees that tomorrow will get here. Plus, who knows what TPTB have planned? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I also would like to salute all of the folks who have stepped up to help out a Brother in need. After all that has been said, it restores my faith in the folks on this sight. It is a beautiful thing indeed. Rock on.

3-29-90

This one is essential dead, would love to order this one show from this box, but can't seem to find the order page for this one show, any help?The only reason that I am even considering this show is due to the 24 track recording, this will sound wonderful. I really wish they would have put all the Branford shows in one box set, now that would have been really cool. spacebrother, you must have great karma to get everyone on this site to buy you this box set, or perhaps the squeakiest wheel gets the most grease. Ebay sellers will not jump on this one like the first one I don't think, but if they do I hope they are kind and not greedy. As for me, I have all these shows on soundboard and they sound great, this is just too much for me to spend on these shows. After the Europe 72 ripoff, I just have a real problem buying big box sets put out by rhino, they don't care about the average deadhead. (when these shows actually happened, I was broke and poor and couldn't even think about going) That all being said, if anyone has any extra cash that they don't want, you can send it to me so I can get this set too, ok? LOL

Next years' Anniversary Box?????????????

Some have noted that next year being the GD's anniversary then something special should be released. Two questions: 1, What do you want it to be? 2. What do you think this next box would most likely actually be?

Count Me In

Someone please PM me with PayPal or snail mail details on how to contribute $20 to Spacebro's plight. I never agree with anything he says, but I am damn glad he holds true to his opinions, no matter how they are stated.

spring 1990

just make more of the damn things,so we don't get stuck going to ebay and getting ripped. I still don't have the first box set because I wont pay 500 bucks for it.if anyone has a copy I would love it Joshua.bisson@gmail.com and be willing to pay

I think...

I think it should be live. I think it should be previously unreleased. I think it should be Grateful Dead. Why do I personally think something special will released for 50th? Well lets see for starters you got a guy like Dave Lemieux at the helm who does a stellar job with the releases. A fan. A Deadhead. A guy that likes to get stuff out to the people. Can I stop here? Does this need explaining?

@unklesam

page for ordering 3-29-90 http://www.dead.net/store/1990s/wake-find-out-nassau-coliseum-32990-3-cd

Spaced Bro

Check your PM's

Weighin' In on the 70s and Spacebro

Woke up this morning and listened to the entire 5-15-77 show from last year's box. I think this one may be edging out 5/17 as my favorite. Some amazing playing goin' on for sure. As for rdevil's request, it's really easy. Close your eyes and pick one. The Amsterdam show is off the hook and I personally find 5/13 from Lille, France to have some extraordinary, over-the-top jamming. Why I never see it mentioned and raved about is beyond me. Definitely the unsung hero of the tour. For those of you who skip this show in favor of the "big guns", go back and have your mind blown! And finally, if someone organizes this Spacebro fund, please post the details and I'll pledge a Jackson also. His bitchin', though irritating, also makes for some interesting conjecture here, and for that, I'd say he's earned it. P.S. - What up Pfox! Good to see you back! I've missed your arrogant rants!

3/15/90

It's a Spring 90 weekend! Listening to 3/15/90! Grate Wharf Rat.

bt has these up now

hey, just went to Btorrent and they are upping all of these shows onto the site, most to all soundboards or matrix recordings, get them there for free.

WharfratWhitey . . ..

. . .Don't be a jerk.

Love this place

Spacebro has been here since the beginning. I have read his opinions in the past and applaud his passion, and at times taken point with some of his statements. I have traded with him back in the day (opinions and shows ;o}), and now that a brother is in a position of need, the community rallies. Even in spite of differences. Where else does that happen?Love it. I was in a similar spot with the 77 box, which includes my wife's first show in Minnesota. While I didn't pull the trigger and have regrets, this outpouring of compassion quells any of that. Despite our varied and vast opinionated ramblings, this is what deadheads are about. Hey, you all 'miracled' this for Spacebrother! Is there a better feeling that getting someone to the show? Tremendous. (Where do I sign up to get into this?) The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.

Next Year...

The Box Sets I dream about for next year:5/4-5/9/77 (5 shows) or 10/21-11/1/73 (6 shows) or any variation within these two. Third place would be a 3 show Winterland Box- Either February of '74 or March of '77. I'll also happily contribute to Spacebro's Miracle Box, please someone PM me with details.

The Spring '90 Full Meal Deal

I posted this a few days ago, but (for obvious reasons) 'tis now more important than ever for collectors/completists: According to Dead.net's shopping cart bounce messages, fewer than 40 copies of Terrapin Limited remain. Super-hot show. Don't wait for the scalp!

DaP11

It's in the realm of possibility that the next Dave's Picks release is one of the shows of which a song was featured on the 2013 30 Days of Dead. Just a hunch folks. The 2012 30 Days of Dead had one track from the May 1977 Box on it. No tracks from 2013 30 Days of Dead were on DaP9, DaP10, or Spring 1990 Too. I'm thinking the answer to DaP11 or DaP12 is in there.

angry jack straw

i'm sorry your parents were unable to give you a better life than the one they had. you people call me a troll for voicing opinions you don't like, but the reality is even when i'm not involved in the conversation you bash me in an attempt to get a response. this thread isn't the first time. contrary to popular belief i'm not bothered by what some stranger on the internet thinks of me, and you know nothing of my financial situation. i don't need to go search for another band, because i'm in it for the music. i didn't gravitate to the grateful dead, because i needed an identity or camaraderie. with that said, its sort of hard to justify getting this box set at the heavy price they are asking, especially when i have more than 100 GD albums already, and there are so many other albums on my wish-list. i've drastically cut down on music purchases over the past few years, and i already get the DP subscription, so even though its a brent era release i have yet to make up my mind.

Spacebro Box

Is someone organizing Spacebro's Miracle Box? Ideally a PayPal account of someone representing the mission who in turn will be responsible for purchasing the Box (provided this person knows Spacebro's shipping address.) Please PM me with how to proceed...

The Crazy Fingers Box

Excited to dig into this come September! The legendary first spark b/n Garcia and Marsalis is one I have been looking forward to for a decade. I might have even neglected choosing it as the 'next show to digest' because I was waiting for the pristine cut. This is the cut. One song per day on the mix? Nice! What really makes these choice of shows interesting (for me) is the repetition of songs Crazy Fingers, Estimated, Truckin that make this feel more like a Jazz box. ex: Milestones, Round Midnight, Walkin 3X on a 6-disc. Love to compare these over the weeks performed. Nice choice of shows! The art looks as deep and talented as the previous edition. Although I had to miss that one, I am happy to pick up this round. 3/18, 21, and 29 for the most will be brand new to me. 3/28 may be my vote for 'funnest' of the run. Nice!

Zuckfun, Next Year...

I would be surprised if we didn't see something like a 5/7-5/9/77 box, or at least 5/8/77 as a general release along the lines of Sunshine Daydream. They would make so much money on that one they'd have to be crazy not to. As for '73, I'll surely take anything from the under-represented "Honey" year, but I'm really wishing for 6/10 RFK and 6/22 PNE. Throw in one more show and make a June 73 box? I can dream, anyway.

DaP11? Am I crazy?

Star Dark posted the cover for the Dave's Pick 11 is 7/10/81. I'm surprised noone has commented yet.

DaP11

Though the setlist looks interesting, I was convinced it was 11/17/72, I'm a little disappointed. Between the Box and now this, Brent era lovers should be pretty happy

DaP12?

That photo sais volume 12? Next up is 11

See two posts ago...

...just making mischief. If anyone here knows the "true identity" of DaP 11, they ain't sayin'!

Love the artwork Star Dark.

Love the artwork Star Dark. Still believe the answer is in 2013 30 Days of Dead. I'm leaning heavy on Texas 1971 for some strange reason. Or Spring 1970. You know what would have made a killer bonus disc? 5/6/70 Kresge Plaza, MIT. One of my all time favorite tapes. Plenty of energy despite the cold.

If you are not bothered . . .

then why respond?

C'mon now AJS

Whenever you get things stirred up it costs the rest of us money!

Star Dark

Nice job on the artwork. Obviously very convincing. I didn't even realize it said 12. D'0h

Thanks dude!

I was just trying to figure out where the rest of the 3/24 show was... I was missing the first Spring '90 filler. And here I was getting all worked up over nothing...

Next Box Set

What about Alpine Valley Wi. There were some great shows there!!!!!!!!!

rednow

Let me guess, you were at those shows, right?

Dantian

YEAH!!! YOU DON'T LIKE THE ALPINE SHOWS?

No sign of the SpaceBrother?

Ground control to Spacebrother..............where you be dude? Deadheads disagreeing reminds of the Riped off fan scene in the GDMovie! I wonder were those cats landed? The blond guy, John Williams?, looked pretty well on the way to a California lifestyle I always thought. In FLA it's hotter than Hades, so the stereo is jamming with SSDD, Dicks 29 and some sweet 72 off DP 23. Charting a course for 1990 and plan to descend with Daves 8 in Hotlanta. Gotta find that blender and make up some frozen bevvies and cocoon by the pool for sunset time. Hoping the Bro isn't lost in Saturns rings or other strangeness................

Alpine '89 and...

... 9/14/82 to face off in the Deadocrat presidential primary... Note to anyone "dissing" (hate that word) the July '89 stretch: At the time of those shows, the Alpine Valley trio - particularly 7/17 - was widely considered the best of an otherwise very good period. Then the Warlocks thing (inferior but for the breakouts) happened, and that was all anyone could talk about.

Space Brother et. al.

Can someone who is tallying up the finances for Space Brother let us know how the funds are doing? Have we covered the cost yet, or do we still need more donations? I can't afford the box myself, but I can afford throwing in a 20. Luke

AJS

i'm not going to let you defame me when its unwarranted, but for the record i've never inherited a dime from anyone. i have a college degree, and hold 3 licenses in a federally regulated industry.

rednow

Just showing off my psychic abilities.

Patagonia

Ug. I can stand and appreciate Space Brother at his worst. But I do wish we could vote Patagonia off the island, if only because his CV is simply too impressive. Exclusionary practices normally suck, but, well, sometimes...

@WharfratWhitey

Nevermind... getting punchy!

just when i thought i was out they pull me back in!

i understand i'm not liked by most people on this board, but if you can be honest with yourselves for 1 minute you'd realize i'm often goaded into a fight. you say you're tired of the drama, but the facts don't support your claim. SPACEBROTHER you'd be a fool to take these people's money. they're getting more out of it than you.

Of course

everyone here is getting more by giving than Spacebro is receiving. That is the delight, in giving the gift. The benefits of sharing has been what inspired the whole Dead taper community as well as the Deadheads as a group. "Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself."

2015 prediction

Lifetime subscription to Dave's Picks $15,000 Companion T-shirt and tea cozy $120 I'll toss a Jackson into the pile. Spacebro: PM me with your address

Dantian

Just me being a midwestern boy! I love all of the DEAD! But a great show in my opinion, That I think is overlooked is the 4-11-87 show at the U.I.C. Pavillion in Chicago. Sorry all of you 80 HATERS!

RandomDead

Random Dead. How about the Good Lovin' with drums from Princeton 1971 featured on GDHour 793! I'm not overly keen on drums alone but when it is good it's Grate! Listen to this one folks. Wow! Hope the rest of this show is as hot and in consideration for release some day. Also FW69 bonus disc. The Caution?

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Rednow

I'm not an 80's hater, I'm more of a 70's lover. Also, I think the mullet was a great hair style, and I wish more people would follow your example and try to bring it back into vogue.

Alternative Joy

It's been a therapeutic 48+ hours! After being introduced to a GD saturation point that I didn't expect even existed (e-cubed!), I found myself needing a fix - particularly of the mid-to-late '73 vintage I'd hoped for with this announcement. So, I checked out Bear's Boarding House recordings of O&ITW, which had dropped about $10 since release, quickly ordered Thurs. A.M., and received it today in time to put on the Ipod for a couple mid-day hours spent running trails in the national park (I love living in proximity to an Amazon distro center!). I only own 1 of the original 3 individual releases of those performances, so the net gain of remastered and complete shows was tremendous...for those on the sidelines of part deux here, but still desirous of a new infusion to the collection, I encourage you to check this one out!/kate

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