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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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December 11, 2014 - 7:57am

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wjonjd

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One Man - Peaks

Not really, no. When dynamic range compression is applied, not only do they reduce the difference between the loudest and softest amplitudes, they also then have room to increase the amplitude over the entire range, so that at a given volume setting on your volume knob the volume of the music is louder than it would have been - the loudest sound is louder, the softest sound is louder, and the average sound is louder, than it would have been compared to the same signals prior to dynamic compression and raising the amplitude. This is why dynamic range compression is important in the "loudness wars" in commercial releases for radio. They compress the range, and then have room to make the whole range louder without going over peak and clipping. When you look at the visual representation of the sound from the HD file compared to the 16-bit file, the HD file is "smaller" from top to bottom - it is not as loud, but if you were to analyze it, you would find that the DIFFERENCE between the highest peaks and smallest peaks are, relative to each other, greater. So, while the -10db peak of the CD is louder than the -15db peak of the HD file, it is the CD that has had dynamic range compression applied so that they can then raise the amplitude of the entire signal by some percentage, making the peak volume of the CD louder than the peak volume of the HD file (and the average, and the softest sound as well). When the dynamic range compression is applied the DIFFERENCES between the amplitudes of loud and soft are made smaller - the percentage change is not the same across the spectrum of amplitudes, as the "average" amplitude will not have a change applied (that's a simplification, not exact, and also I'm not sure if it would be the mean or the median or some other midway point that remains unchanged). When they subsequently make the entire signal louder, the amplitude increase is percentage-wise the same across the board. THAT transformation DOES raise the average amplitude. Does that make sense? Obviously, none of this is inherent to either 16-bit or HD 24-bit. It could be applied to either. For some reason they apply it to the 16-bit file, probably because a lot of people don't like it when a CD seems like the volume is too low compared to other CD's they have. In other words, I expect they have to cater to consumer expectations.
December 11, 2014 - 2:59am

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One Man

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Peaks

Isn't a peak of -15 dB lower than -10 dB? Doesn't that suggest the HD file is more compressed than the CD? Actually, they probably both have some amount of light compression on them because that's just how it's typically done in the world. It's bizarre that one would be that different from the other. You can hear as little as 1 dB, maybe even less. The first S90 box had lots of audible compression, at least on the individual tracks. It sounds way too smooth to be au naturel, even if the mix of the various signal levels is not always great.
December 10, 2014 - 9:29pm

#73

TN Dead

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pono is a player

Is it possible that a pono player has better components than another portable playback device ? It was designed with this in mind.Same files, different players, different playback results.
December 10, 2014 - 7:04pm

#74

wjonjd

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FourWinds - my apologies

I did a comparison of the CD version of Wake Up To Find Out (actually the one from the full box) and the 24/192 download. I used the first 15 seconds of Estimated Prophet (the software I'm using only lets you start at the beginning, and I didn't take the time to lop off an equal amount from the beginning of both files in order to get to the middle of the file). I chose Estimated Prophet because it begins right away having been transitioned into from the Eyes. The results: The average levels (left/right) on the CD are -17.42db/-16.19db the average levels on the HD file are -17.96db/-16.72 the peak level on the CD is -10db the peak level on the HD file is -15db The Stereo Balance on the CD is -2.14db (diff between L and R) The Stereo Balance on the HD file is -2.43db And the peak frequency on the CD is 14,685Hz the peak frequency on the HD file is 14,109Hz (that's a surprise) So, it appears that they HAVE INDEED applied some dynamic range compression to the CD version, although not a lot. I have NO IDEA why they wouldn't just convert the 24/192 file to 16/44.1 using noise-shaped dithering. The resulting files would be VIRTUALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE from each other. This still says nothing about the inherent equivalency to the human ears of 16/44.1 versus 24/192, but THAT'S IF THEY'RE FROM THE SAME SOURCE. My humble apologies FourWinds as you are indeed correct that they created a master for the 16-bit file that has had some amount of dynamic range compression applied to it. WHY???? Who knows. There is NO (good) reason to do this!!! The 24/192 is not better because it 24/192. It's better because they didn't apply dynamic range compression to master used for it. However, FourWinds, in your original post you wished they would just release the HD 24/192 file already!! WHY NOT wish that they convert the 24/192 to 16/44.1 and LEAVE IT ALONE to create the CD and 16/44.1 files?? That would serve the SAME purpose. And here are the file sizes for that one file: CD: 153,035kb HD: 998,784kb And, they have the same POTENTIAL for audio fidelity. Why not just wish for 16/44.1 files/CD's made directly from the 24/192's? Wouldn't that make far more sense. In any case, you were right - they're not the same. I have no idea why they chose to do this. One Man - Yes, for driving in my car (where I do a LOT of listening) files with more dynamic range compression make it much easier to hear all the music. You don't have to keep turning the volume up and down - up because you can hardly hear it and then BAM you get hit with the LOUD so you have to turn it down again. It is true that the range compression can pretty much fix that problem. Since we would never get two versions of everything with one purchase, my preference would be to get CD's/files that have NO dynamic range compression applied, and then I could apply my to create a set of files for travel (car/plane/walking, etc.)
December 10, 2014 - 6:21pm

#75

dantian

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Got to hand it to you, wjonjd

You have a lot of patience ;)
December 10, 2014 - 6:15pm

#76

One Man

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E72 Box

I'm not sure what is fatiguing anyone's ears, but I hear some kind of pervasive audio distortion in about the first half of the E72 box mixes. It clears up on one of the Paris shows. I have no idea what caused it, but it is obvious to me and I'm sure the mix engineer noticed it eventually but no one bothered to go back and fix those first mixes. It could be inherent in just those first tapes (very doubtful), some kind of A-D transfer issue (can't imagine what), something to do with the Plangent Process (again, no idea), or something else. It still bugs me that these mixes were so rushed. Thank the gods they did not do the same with the '72 Veneta show or the new Spring 90 box. Also, let's not confuse file (data) compression with dynamic range compression. Dynamic range can be severely squashed on ANY recording format if the engineer chooses to do that. The GD archival releases are generally lightly compressed compared to many commercial releases, and I'm sure that is intentional. I actually wish they had a touch more dynamic compression on them sometimes, just to make them sound less jumpy.
December 10, 2014 - 4:16pm

#77

wjonjd

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down mix process

There is no dynamic compression required when converting from 24-bit to 16-bit, and there is no reason to believe they just CHOSE to use any dynamic compression on the 16-bit file, but not on the 24-bit file. Your comment makes it clear (unless I'm mistaken, which I could be) that you believed that 16-bit is INHERENTLY more compressed than 24-bit, which is simply not the case in any way. Unless you have some reason to believe they just chose to compress the range of softest to loudest sounds on the 16-bit file and not on the 24-bit, I'd be interested to hear it. I think that's more than very very highly unlikely. Again, if you are experiencing ear fatigue from the 16-bit files, you have zero chance of improving that by buying the more expensive 24-bit ones except by placebo effect, unless they chose to reduce the dynamic range on the 16-bit files and not the 24-bit files for some reason. What possible reason do you have to suspect they would even consider going through the trouble of instituting dynamic range compression on the 16-bit files (CD's). They were NEVER going to be destined for mainstream radio play, and even if they were I don't believe Jeffrey Norman and his team do that even for releases that ARE destined for radio play. Of course, there is an easy way to answer this. Simply send DL an email to ask Jeffrey Norman (if you can't email Jeffrey Norman directly) if they compressed the dynamic range for the 16-bit release and CD's and not for the 24/192 (or 24/96) on any of their other archival releases where they have made hi-def available. I wouldn't promise my first-born, but I'd bet a lot that the answer will be no. In which case, as the links I posted point out pretty well, you will hear no difference between the two versions, nor experience a different level of ear fatigue or emotional connection - at least not due to the sound coming out of your loudspeakers. EDIT - I decided to purchase the Wake Up To Find Out hi def (24/192) download. I will rip from my CD version direct to 16-bit wav and compare them using a software audio package and should be able to easily tell if dynamic compression was used on one and not the other. I will let you know. I see no reason why they would treat the E72 release differently than the Wake Up To Find Out release as far as whether they chose to modify the dynamic range for the CD's. They both came from multi-track tape masters. Even if they didn't spend the time on the E72 releases that they did on the Wake Up To Find out release, I would still bet they treated the CD's the same in terms of how they transferred the original 24-bit files they mixed/mastered with to the 16-bit files they used to create the CD's. I will report back with the results.
December 10, 2014 - 2:58pm

#78

fourwindsblow

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Compression

If dynamic compression was used in the down mix process no further compression is needed.
December 10, 2014 - 2:26pm

#79

wjonjd

Joined:
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Grammy Nomination

Yes, Congratulations to all involved. I also believe this box deserves the grammy nod - I believe it surpasses the music in the first box, and the package itself is simply exquisite (as was the first box).
December 10, 2014 - 2:21pm

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SPACEBROTHER

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Grammy Nomination

It's only fitting that a Brent era release got a Grammy nod. Congrats Bob, Phil, Mickey, Bill, Dave, Mark, Mary, Norman, Blair and everybody involved! This is the good stuff here.

John Perry Barlow

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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

Spring 90

Without sounding to gooey and sentimental...Spring 90 is how I'd like to remember 90's Dead. The performances were great, the sound was great, the scene hadn't taken the full turn that it did circa 93-95. This is truly beautiful Dead and I can't wait to hear the shows.

sound

I don't have a problem with either the 2 track or the 24 track. The 2 track are pretty much direct on the fly as I understand-more of the you are there in real time sound. They sound great to me. The Terrapin Limited was 2 track as well-cranked that up again over the week-end-it is terrific. Joe Gastwirt did the honors on that one. The Without a Net is 24 track and sounds terrific-may be a little less sparkly high end and more "analog" like to my ears-ie-smoother, more of a finished product type of thing. They both have their place. Just like the matrix stuff has its place. Lucky for us-the Dead were fastidious with sound technology over the years which created high quality source material. Some other archival releases from jazz, classical and rock ensembles are not nearly as pleasing upon release many years later because, at least partially, they didn't obsess over sound, technology and in-house control.

listened to 8/24/85 over the past few days

not the horrific train wreck it is rumored to be, but you can hear Jerry's anger/irritation/po'dness in the A&A>LL, Daytripper. speeding things up, cutting off Bobby. I really enjoyed Black Peter. if any of y'all were there, what was it really like? back in the day, my friend had a roommate who went; he reported that the roommate's first comment upon returning was "you didn't miss anything." not really related to spring 90, but anyway...

Two whole months??

We gotta wait two months for this sonic glory? Hopefully we'll get a couple "Yoda Preview Tracks" to tide us over.

Just bought Terrapin Limited

RE: HarveyDental "Sold Out.." I just bought Terrapin Limited last week of May. I must have got one of the last ones, 44,000-something serial number. But I am still somewhat dismayed that it does not have a COMPLETE "Terrapin Station" with all the parts!

Ed, Terrapin, tickets

Ed,Actually, the entire Terrapin was only first performed live by Further a few summers ago (and it was pretty thrilling, I must say). The closest the GD came was 3-18-77, where they attempted the Alhambra (Jerry & drummers duel) piece...and not very tightly, though it's still really cool. The Terrapin Ltd show, 3/15, was actually the "weak" night of the three Landovers to many of us. But it cleans up nicely! one of the best sounding releases I know of, hard to believe it's not multi-track. I think we just had poor seats for sound on the night; for first half of first set, at least. Hardly heard a note of Jerry's leads on Sugaree, but the tapes don't lie (still can't compete with Landover '87's or Hampton '88's, though ; ) Terrapin thru to closer is just excellent stuff, and wonderful Althea, Cassidy & Jed in the 1st. Easy to Love You is near impossibly tight, and Walkin' Blues (always preferred Minglewood) is quite good, too. But I still think 3/14 & 3/16 are beefier. Fennario, reprinted vintage tickets may not sell a box. But that stuff really does add love to a package. When I opened the Spring '90 box and saw the Camper's Info guides, it nearly brought a tear to my eye--they were the EXACT ones that circulated for those shows. That's just a nice touch, and I can't imagine it's adding much to the cost. What it adds is richness to re-immersing in a time & place along with the music. To me, it brought a big smile.

@mpace

thanks for the feedback. I'll pull the trigger on CWI first chance I get.

@wharfratwhitey

looks like you were at phish in Mansfield a few weeks back. I was there too. Had never seen phish before and didn't know any of there songs. Still thought it was a great show. Was going to golf with some buddies and then we were going to go to the show. It was like a thousand degrees and humid that day. Ended up sitting in a buddies house (who happens to live in Mansfield) watching world cup and drinking beers. Concert was great. Only bummer was it took 2 hours to get out of parking lot in Mansfield when show ended ... that was rough. I listened to phish in early/mid 90's briefly and at the time, thought they were sort of a cheap imitation of the Dead so figured i'd stick with the Dead. I just recently borrowed some CD's from a friend and going to give phish a bigger listen.

re 2 track vs 24 track

An a-b comparison between Without a Net HDCD and Spring 1990 box should answer any SQ. questions. The 24 track mixes are full, transparent, with a wide open soundstage.The drums and bass have separation and depth. The Spring 1990 vol.1 material has a bright,digital, sound.Its all there but, it lacks balance and warmth compared to the Without a Net mixes. If Spring 1990 TOO is mixed down well, there will be no comparison.

Takimoto

Good deal takimoto. I was at Mansfield. Forgot to anticipate the additional holiday week traffic to the Cape. Listened to the match on the way down. Hot as hell. Ive been back on Phish for a couple years now after basically not listening at all since 96. I'm inspired by what I hear. I think the days of comparing them to the Dead should have passed awhile back. They are well into their own now and have been going strong at what they do for years. It would be like still comparing the Rolling Stones to Howlin Wolf or Muddy Waters. They (Phish) Jam and people still follow them around the country. I think the overall comparisons end there. If that was your Phirst show you caught a good one. I thought it was a very tight show and a beautiful night in Mansfield! Peace.

Digital Downloads

I wonder if the shows on the 1st box set will be released as digital downloads as well?

Brown Sabbath

I think that band is called Brownout

A few thoughts

I just wanted to say that I'm really moved by the generosity and positive sentiment, especially to those who I may not have always seen eye to eye with here in light of some of my admittedly controversial posts. That gesture of good vibes means more to me than any boxed set, money or any other materialistic gain. It's truly a noble and honorable circumstance. I'm not soliciting for freebies, handouts, charity and miracles. Claney pretty much hit the nail on the head in regards to several points, even going back to my post from 2012. True, I'm not in a financially set way by any means and true, purchasing a subscription for $100 is a large investment for me. It's also true that a friend helped me out with the first Spring 1990 box, which I was unable to afford during the time of pre-sale up until it sold out. I did however reimburse them eventually. It took a while but I, in good conscience couldn't just accept a freebie, regardless of my personal finances. A very cool person here has offered to order one of these up for me. They don't know me personally, which makes the gesture of generosity even more special. I did decide to take the person up on their offer in good faith that if I'm able to repay him, I would if that he would do that for me, but he also noted that there are no strings attached if I'm unable to. I very much want this great gentleman to be reimbursed for his generosity. A lot of people have said that they would donate to the cause, and I don't have any expectations, but if you do decide to help out, I'll refer this person to you in a private message so he can recoup his costs in a timely manor. In good faith, when I can afford to, I will pay it forward to the best of my ability and within reason. I don't expect anything from anybody, nor will I begrudge anyone who rightfully states that there are more deserving places in which to donate to a charitable cause than a guy on an internet forum over a boxed set of music. It is admittedly awkward for me to be in a "charity case" position in the first place. I realize that I've ruffled some feathers here with some of my posts and I'm not going to make excuses for myself or my frustrations that the releases with the shows in which I desire the most have been priced out of my budget. I can say that there are some truly awesome people here who have been incredibly patient with some of my controversial dialogue. The generosity and random acts of kindness mean far more to me than any materialistic items. In addition to Claney, I would also like to acknowledge MaryE for her voice of reason in her last post regarding charity and her moderator hat. Anyways, because of many circumstances, I'll be on and off here for stretches of time as I'm frequently in places for days without internet access. Finally, and again, if I do receive this box as a result of the amazing generosity here, I will pay it forward. Even if I don't get one of these boxed sets, I'm still moved by the positive sentiment.

Space

I already sent you a PM last week. Please send me the person's contact information and I will contribute. Glad you did not miss out on the release.

Spacebro

Fine words, well said. I am glad most posters understood what was and was not happening, and impressed Spacebro took the high road at every turn. A lesson for all of us when 'getting into it' on the interwebs.

Glad to see the Spacebrother

I am impressed by the whole thing honestly.In the coitus upped world in which we live, I relish the chance to be in things like this. My paper is on the way 100% complete coolness. What was the quote? "You're a Damn Good Audience"

SpaceBro

Dude is the real deal, the miracle ticket kinda person for sure… wish I had his karma, never scored one! every time I see his avatar…. well, he is truly the bother from another planet

To the bro and all who helped out.....

.......wow. It's great that people who can help out a fellow head are doing so. And Spacebro's comments about the situation are very moving and well stated. I know that if this was a 73 or 74 box I would be out of my f*****g mind if I couldn't come up with the scratch for it. I'm glad for all the late 80's and early 90's fans whom I can only assume are very happy with this release. It's good that everyone gets to be happy!! I purchased the Brandford show, and may buy others if they are ever released individually (like E72 shows). Just listening to all my Dick's Picks today, and wondering which one fellow heads would nominate for MOST UNDER RATED. I've always thought that #14 was under-appreciated (probably due to the fact it's not a complete show?). Other opinions would be sweet. As always, Peace.

Love DP14

its a bit sleepy, but then wakes you up in a big way with the terrifying jam on disc 4

Funny, DP 14 has always been

Funny, DP 14 has always been my favorite of them all. I listen to 31 a lot less than I might, but that's because I have the full shows and while I don't normally mind excerpted DPs (12, 18 are perfect), I hate the cutting they did on 31. Which makes it the most underrated for me at any rate.

off topic for a second...

1) i have no idea how he does it, but brian hahne is seemingly able to conjure out-of-print dead releases out of thin air. before you go paying scalper prices you really ought to talk to brian first. i will also say that the shipping prep he does to protect your investment is better than most (all)retailers 2) re: stuff going out of print, i see that some of the road trips are still available for short money in the dead.net store. -v2.2 is one of the most impactful shows they ever played -v4.1 is glorious 1969 dead (pig!) -v1.3 is the dead quintet at its peak -v3.2 is early keith 71, has a first set dark star, and a career best NFA/GDTR/NFA sandwich -v1.2 is fall 77, the last 70's H>S>F -v1.4 is post-egypt, has the finest stella blue ever, and a mind blowing TOO every one of those deserves regular rotation

Floridabobaloo Christmas-In-July

Hey Floridabobaloo, check your PM!

yes, cheers to Brother Brian H... AND!

2nd that emotion about Brian...he is a helluva helper... AND! AJS... you're living in the past... i&i was like thee 1st person to give you MAD PROPS for your generous gesture towards SpaceBro... c'mon man... that shite was months ago... why ya gotta bring the vibe down... live in the now, holmes... ♤

Wharfrattx hey hey !

Got ya and PMed ya. Cool avatar too!I love Les Pauls but could never get used to the weight. And that carved top........SG's are more manageable for some reason. The heat is on this way with afternoon deluges!

Spring 90 Part 2

Spring 90 Part 2, count me in, i absolutely love it. Without a net has been my go to album for years, although i like any and everything. I do prefer Brent though. It can not be stated enough that these are the 24 track mix. It will sound incredible! I am one of the people who did enjoy the mix for Spring 90 part 1 and i will enjoy the mix for Spring 90 part 2. As another person mentioned, it is the best of the both worlds. Now here is the real question, what could Dave's Picks Vol. 11 possibly be??? I was certain that we would get a Brent show because I felt that it was about that time. Even after hearing the rumors i thought that it may be too soon for Spring 90 part 2. Now we are essentially getting 8 Brent shows. People have mentioned Fall '72, that would be nice. While we have a lot of '72 in general, i can only recall a few Fall '72 shows that have been released. Dicks picks 11, 23 (one i forget about at times but it is solid as Hell through and through), and 36 (outstanding show). There are probably more but thats what i know off the top of my head. I think the Europe '72 releases obviously skew how we think about the quantity of '72 shows released. I honestly have no idea what we might be looking at next. But heres what i do know: 1. First week in August Dave's Picks Vol. 11 ships 2. August 30 my Alabama Crimson Tide take the field against West Virginia here in the ATL 3. September 9 Spring 90 part 2 ships out 4. September 6 two of my three kids have their first soccer games of the Fall season 5. September 7 my Atlanta Falcons take the field against the New Orleans Saints The Dog Days of Summer are counting down and its going to be an outstanding Fall!!! I hope every one is having a great evening and remember, regardless of the era, enjoy the music. Thats what its all about

@chrisgrand, @theeamazingace333...

you guys make me blush like a little schoolgirl. (said in my best "deiter" voice from SNL) haha Guys, I just have fun helping out. SO glad to help you guys.... with white whales, or missing Dick's Picks, or whatever... ya'll have been great to chat with via email and I hope if you ever come to SC you let me buy ya'll a beer. I know I'm hitting Ace up for one in SF. :-) In fact, I've helped quite a few folks here... so to those I haven't helped, hey, not all us ebay sellers are bad guys. :-) hahaha seriously though, I may be able to help find some stuff. especially original release dick's picks i happen to have a good bit of right now, at least certain ones... Seriously though you guys, thanks for the kind words. I appreciate that. And yeah, it may take me a little time, and a moderate amount of luck.. and actually, honestly, sometimes I have to lay out some significant cash to get your cd's off the hands of some folks who have them.. but I can usually come up with stuff over time. Then again it only took me about 6 weeks to get 4 of the 6 discs you were looking for ChrisGrand... Again though.. seriously, thanks.

Thursday's Child...

I think DP#33 is under-rated because it comes late in the series, and is overlooked (from what I've seen) because it's so damn hard to come by. Really the 30's are the best releases...30, 31, 33, 34, 35, 36.... all top notch. 32 is ok, not my favorite. 33 is definitely hot. I'm partial to #25 also, but that's certainly not underrated. I also really like #20.

Yes, Briah Hahne is the Man

I ditto previous comments ... he has helped me score some rare DP's at very nice prices. And, he ships them with TLC so they arrive perfectly. He could ship an egg through regular USPS and it would arrive at your door uncracked :). Plus, a very cool guy!

Spring 1990 Part I and II

I selectively picked up about 7 E72 disks over last 5 months or so. Point is, if Spring 90 I or II was ever offered a la carte, i would go in and do the same. Hope they do go up for sale individually ... but would think that would only happen if the all box sets don't "sell out". I am guessing that is why E72 is sold individual ... because all box sets didn't originally sell out. Enjoy!

Ask the time baby I don't know

Julie catch a rabbit by his hair Come back steppin' like to walk on air Get back home where you belong And don't you run off no more Don't hang your head, let the two time roll Grass shack nailed to a pine wood floor Ask the time baby I don't know Come back later, gonna let it show I say row Jimmy row, gonna get there, I don't know Seems a common way to go, get out and row, row, row, row, row Here's a half dollar if you dare Double twist when you hit the air Look at Julie down below The levee doin' the do-pas-o I say row Jimmy row, gonna get there, I don't know Seems a common way to go, get out and row, row, row, row, row Broken heart don't feel so bad You ain't got half of what you thought you had Rock you baby to and fro Not too fast and not too slow I say row Jimmy row, gonna get there, I don't know, Seems a common way to go, get out and row, row, row, row, row. That's the way it's been in town, Ever since they tore the jukebox down Two bit piece don't buy no more Not so much as it done before I say row Jimmy row, gonna get there I don't know Seems a common way to go, get out and row, row, row, row, row Can't wait to hear both from the new box. 3-14 and 4-3 ,, Row Jimmy. Both 1st sets have a great variety. This was one of the tunes I was hoping to get more of from the Brent era

@antonjo

Hey, didn't mean to insult anyone with my comment about replica tickets. I know how much something like that can mean to someone who was there.

Dave's Picks 11

Starting to wonder if this Volume will ship before the official announcement. Kind of reminds me of the DP10 Bonus Disc. Isn't it about time for more good news?

@takimoto...

Much appreciated my friend!!!!!And back atcha on the coolness. haha thanks for the comments, and thanks for the kudos... and always appreciate the conversation.

a bozo's $0.02...

while passions may flare and settle here over this era or that, one thing is for sure, deadheads always have and always will make things happen in wonderfully unconventional ways. @Spacebro: what owlshead said. And......when I first started posting here, I read a very poignant post several years ago from you and the last sentence was about the memory of the death of your father (maybe Blair's Golden Road?). Anybody that can put that much of themselves out there like that is a-ok. That post is the first thing I think of when I see your avatar. Passionate, Well Informed Deadhead. Maybe some Italian in ya? I'm glad things are going your way. :) oh, I get by with a little help from my friends...(don't we all)

'76 Day on the Green.....

...i.e. DP #33, is simply, an incredible couple of shows. I've posted it before, and most likely will again. I'm partial to 1976 though......don't mind me. A banner year, with flags held high!!

Take note....

....the encore for the final show of the Spring tour, was We Bid You Goodnight. Simply classic.... Didn't make any of the tour....thought about it. Did see the Dominguez Hills shows a month later. I recall them as being pretty damn smokin'.

fennario, underrated Dick's

Fennario, Hey, no offense at all, I just took the opportunity to raise a toast to the extras since you brought them up (and so many others entirely dismiss such "trifles"). If Dick's 33 is underrated, let me sign the petition--one of the best Dick's. I think some of the early ones that were popular upon release have gotten lost in the shuffle: Dick's 3 (5/22/77), Dick's 11 (9/22/72), Dick's 5 (12/26/79). Some of my other favorites that are well celebrated are: Dick's 4 (of course), Dick's 28 (of course), Dick's 26, Dick's 25 (controversial, but I love it). And Dick's 21 (Richmond 11/01/85) always holds a special place, as it was my 2nd show and a cornerstone to my Dead-going career....extremely popular upon release, but rarely mentioned these days. Not a space-jammer, but a wonderful songfest played with great energy. Discs 1 & 4 of Dick's 31 are stellar, too--but I've never heard the complete shows, so just taking the selections at face value. Can I plug Dave's 3 again, too? But then I'd have to plug RT 3.1 as its companion, and then.....well, you know what happens. That's why we keep collecting!

Hey everybody....

Can we please take the tit for tat bullshit back to your PMs. None of the rest of us care and it's rude and fugly in public. Please? Thanks

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Really???

Whoa-oa what I want to knowIs are you kind? Maybe not so much. Looks like quite a few apologies are in order. Who's man enough to start?

New Jerry release...

Check out the "I second that emotion"...Wow!

IMO

Anyone making physical threats should be banned, although I will miss his curious Trustafarian patois.

Underrated DP - 22

DP 33 is one of my top DPs - and actually, I think I recall polls where it is tops for folks, and it sold out more quickly than othrers (hence, I respectfully disagree that it is underrated). I think it is rated very highly, and rightly so. I seldom see DP22 (1968) in "best DP" polls so I'll put that in as my candidate for most underrated. Very electric, lightning hard-edged. My favorite Good Morning..Schoolgirl. Deep Feedback. Raw (but tight). Funny story about DP33: A couple of years ago, it was sold out, I was quite bummed. Looked all over for a copy that was not equivalent to buying a small kayak. No luck. Then I happened to see it was available at Deadnet, jumped on it. It was shipped to me. Next day, it was sold out again. Who knows what else they'll find in the nooks and crannies of some warehouse? (Remember when they announced "finding" so many copies of the So Many Roads Box that they put it back up for sale for a year or two?)

Interesting Avatar

Bolo, that is a rather interesting new avatar you have there...

Bolo24, why I oughta ?!?!!

I love your new pic. But I dislike it at the same time. Just kidding, it's all in good fun, I'm sure most will find out at Night at the Movieson the 17th. I'm headed to the beach and will try to keep up and check Thursday night. East coast should know before west coast due to movie times. Daves 11 ,, UJB could be encore ?? Or maybe it was to settle some nerves. Just listened to a few cuts from 3-14, very nice. Since many are requesting downloads from previous sell-outs, I would love to hear/ be able to purchase downloads of the bonus discs Rhino was part of (Starting with Egypt RTC, RT's + others.) For a while I missed out on all normal releases and had to play catch up over the last 3-4 years. Between the time of 2004-2010 I was MIA. I know rhino took over during the half point in that time. So maybe there's a few bonus discs they could make a box or download out of ?? Just a little feedback.

3-18-90 another treat,

Friend of the Devil was another song on my wish list from late in the Brent era.

spineless p****** u old men are

wow, that's pretty harsh dude, ain't no time to hate. Thanks to bolo for the peace pipe, now let's all smoke it up and get back to the music. Pulled the trigger on the single release of the Branford show, 24 track, whoopie! I once got in a heated argument with a dude on this site, he did not like my opinion and started calling me names and even went as far as insult my family. Guy is not on this site anymore. What's wrong with a little peace, love and happiness? "tour rodents" now that's funny. "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend with my life your right to say it."

dantian:

laughing really hard at your video bit. Well done!

Underrated dicks picks

Now I'm gonna say:10,17,19,21,22,24... Ok Maybe not under-rated.... but fwiw, for all the DP series I find people, these are the ones most people DON'T pick.... aside from #17, which I think is just "ok", these are all great shows so I'm not sure why they are overlooked.... if anyone wants one of them let me know. ;-)

Diversity is a good thing...

...except for all the wars. Anyway, pre-ordered 3/29/90 (my 35th B'day show!). Also picked up the Denver '73 RT and DP 22 to keep ALL the keyboarderists happy.

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