Spring 1990 (The Other One) Box

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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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September 10, 2014 - 4:59pm

#531

Chitown rider

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Cover Art

Anybody know any links to the cover art of the individual shows? not the box cover. I would like to put each show with its individual art. thankswhat a great box!! I've made it through the 3/21 show so far, plenty of highlights The 3/21 Wharf Rat WoW!! now back to listening...
September 10, 2014 - 4:39pm

#532

fourwindsblow

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superior playback equipment

I got myself a Marantz receiver sr7005 it has M-DAX expander. When I first got it I didn't use it much because I didn't hear much of a difference at first, but now I can't listen without it especially at a higher volumes. Makes the 16/44 files sound like a record when set on mid setting. Nice talking with ya bro
September 10, 2014 - 4:15pm

#533

wjonjd

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Hi-rez

@fourwindsblow - that could be. I just think that, because many of the folks in the studies I read were audiophiles very familiar with the best audio equipment/technology who are familiar with and listen to 24bit music, it seems to me that if they still get about a 50% success rate in picking out the 24 bit versus 16 bit recording of the same music samples then there can't really be more detail or a wider sound-stage that is discernible (by ears as opposed to electronic analysis equipment). Also, it's not just a larger range of frequencies involved (although, as you indicated, those frequencies are generally beyond human hearing), it's also more frequent digital sampling (slices as it were) of the music (44.1khz versus 96 khz)) - more points in time; other stuff also. My main point is that if a particular person can't tell the difference (can't detect the wider soundstage, more detail, etc) then the difference isn't really there for all intents and purposes - certainly not to pay for. And, to my knowledge, no one particular person in any of the studies when put through double blind testing was able to get anything statistically significatnly higher than 50% which indicates no discernible difference. Obviously, when run through sound analysis equipment there is a difference, but that's moot to the listener. Most people I have spoken to gauge their preference for 24 bit, etc., by their use of SACD or DVD audio, and as I mentioned before, that's not apples to apples because the SACD and DVD audio are almost always made from different masters, have different mixes, etc., not to mention able to be played back in more than two channels. So, first of all, they hear an immediate difference, and secondly, it DOES sound better but it sounds better because of those other things not related to the higher bit rate or sampling frequency. Of course, I'm sure there are hearing savants out there. But, another, thing to consider - if you have exposed yourself to high volumes of music or are older than say 30ish then the issue really is moot because the odds of you're retaining the ability to hear that level of nuance when so very very few people indicate ANY ability to tell the difference under controlled conditions seems to me to be very low. One last thing. It seems to me that rather than spend money on higher bit higher sampling frequency recordings, given the dubious nature of the difference it makes to the human ear, it would be a far better investment to make one time investments in superior playback equipment (particularly speakers and headphones, but other equipment as well) rather than pay more for each recording. A pair of $500 Grado headphones is going to do WAY more for the quality of your music experience than spending $5-$10 more for every recording you buy. And no, I do not own a pair like that, but have listened with them extensively (extended family). One day maybe...
September 10, 2014 - 3:29pm

#534

EdTheHead

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RE:For those with UPS>USPS shipping

I saw that upgrade a day sooner deal, but didn't want to open an account. Finally got a shipping notice on my box last night, first said by Friday 8 PM, then they updated that to Saturday at 8 PM. Hand-off to the USPS carrier. UPSMI is a pain, especially when a UPS truck goes down my street at least once a day. Last time they shipped out Dave's 11 I got it the next day it was released. So you never know. I guess they gave overseas and Canada priority on this box since many are listening to theirs while I wait days longer here in Dallas.
September 10, 2014 - 3:26pm

#535

allman

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VERY NICE!

Just received the BOX. First class job all the way! Did anyone mention the DEAD dice set that was included?
September 10, 2014 - 3:10pm

#536

fourwindsblow

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Hi-rez

Could it be that you would want those frequencies in there even though the ear can't hear them as to provide separation between the instruments to give it more detail and a wider sound-stage.
September 10, 2014 - 2:57pm

#537

floridabobaloo

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Bitrates

Makes me remember going down to the stereo shop, if you're old enough to remember those, hahaAnd having the salesman do his thing with all the setups they had. Man that was always a blast. And after you spent hundreds or thousands you'd get home and set the new rig up. And possibly think you know it just doesn't sound as good as down in the showroom!
September 10, 2014 - 2:33pm

#538

boblopes

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For those with UPS>USPS shipping (the slow boat)...

I just improved my delivery day by 1 day (delivery now tomorrow!!!), by creating a UPS My Choice account and then upgrading from the UPS>USPS to UPS Ground for $3.50. UPS Cust Svc said I made the change in time - just did it. Bob
September 10, 2014 - 12:57pm

#539

wjonjd

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some links

Here are some links explaining in detail issues with the difference between 16 bit and 24 bit (and 44.1 vs 96khz), the abilities of the human ear and lots of other technical info. I will get links to the university studies themselves when I have time to find them again. http://www.sonicscoop.com/2013/08/29/why-almost-everything-you-thought-… http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html http://hothardware.com/News/Research-Data-Suggests-Higher-Music-Fidelit…
September 10, 2014 - 12:47pm

#540

wjonjd

Joined:
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High Def again

I'm pretty sure that Dark Side of the Moon is one of the ones that had a complete remix/remaster than the CD. Here is a link that shows and describes the differences in the mastering of the CD and the SACD of DSM. When you are done reading it you will see than anybody would probably be able to tell the differenced between them, even if they had both been put out in 16/44.1 http://www.stereophile.com/news/11649/ You really need to read the studies to begin to realize how much went into trying to find out whether the human ear can detect those differences. The people looking had no agenda other than trying to answer the question. It can't be too much of a coincidence that all the academic studies come up with the same results.

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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

@brianhahne

Thank you. I think?

Dicks...

I brought out Dicks Volume 2 this past weekend. Short but definitely very sweet... The Dark Star>Jam is one of my all-time favorites. Also recently listened to England '74. Can't remember the number off top of my head. Very good.

Dead start 1965?

I also have always been led to believe tht the band we all know & love so much got there start in 1965. So imagine my surprise when I found this pic while looking at some old photos of the Fillmore Westhttp://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/769/MI0001769217.jpg?pa… It clearly is labeled Oct. 23, 1964! Can anyone comment on this? Rock on

fennario?

you're welcome? I think?not sure why i'm saying you're welcome... but you're welcome

@brianhahne

I think just placed an order with you on ebay. Didn't know it was you until I got the reply.

Hbob Photo

Don't know where you came across that photo, but I wouldn't put too much stock in the printed info at the bottom. The photo itself looks to be from a 1990 show, and look closely, there are TWO Bobs in it! Fairly easy to type onto a photograph these days. Check your Deadbase. No shows in October '64.

@ wharfrattx

Thanks Wharf. The photo certainly confused me. Guess I am too gullible! I trust people too much perhaps.

as others have said, please take the squabbling and name-calling

to private messages, if you really feel the need to continue in this vein. Reposting PMs in public: please don't do it again. Thank you. mod hat off etc.

Dead Start

Look at the setlist on that bootleg. UJB PITB Ripple It sure isn't from the 60's.

RE hbob1995 - Dead start 1965

Well, the first Playing in the Band was 2-8-71, and the last King Bee was 12-15-71 (with PigPen). So, if this is all from one show, it would need to be between those dates. I checked and cannot find any shows (that we know of) that have all of the songs in the list for this CD at one show. It is probably songs culled from shows between those two dates. If anyone else wants to check, the song list on the cd is: Uncle John's Band NFA-GDTRFB Morning Dew Playing in the Band Ripple Sugar Magnolia Casey Jones Me & Bobby McGee King Bee. Interesting puzzle, though :)

fennario....

oh you did... ok? Then that's your road trips i just put in the mailbox. just a heads up... hit me up ahead-of-time next time via email.. I sell stuff there, but if you contact me, i will knock money off it if I know you're from here on this msg board.. can't do it after the fact though... but in the case of some folks here who buy a lot, it adds up

marye

Thank You. You can keep your mod hat on.

glass1990...

Got your PM... you got one back. I'll send you my email too.

Wow...

That was quite a morning read over my yogurt and granola. The best part of this cyber-community is that it helps me to stay connected to a great time in my life. The music and conversation sustain me on many fronts. Even the arguments and diatribes have their place (had some very intense discussions in the hotels, arenas, campgrounds, etc). The reality for all of us tied to this band is that we share a passion willingly with others. Some of us are nuttier than others (why I have the same show in four media formats or five different recordings is very hard to explain to the uninitiated). To get too serious or angry about any of this makes no sense. The music and memories should transport us to higher places in our minds. Sure it is personal, very very personal. In sharing the experience we need to give each other the space and respect we would give our neighbors at a show. Experienced plenty of true idiots there ( getting pissed on at calaveras 87 or having my girlfriend's head split open by a quarter thrown from the upper reaches at Nassau 85, trampling gate crashers, etc.) I like to think of these forums as being free of the idiots, a gathering of folks into it for the right reasons. I hope we can get back to this place. Thanks to Mary E for cleaning up the mess. Let's try to leave nothing but educated passionate footprints.

Wow...

Incoming

Garcia Live, Vol 4. Start the spin this evenin'. BTW-saw Robert Hunter is appearing at Newport Folk Festival. Saw him last time around in Boston-great show. Listened to the CSNY 74 1 disc compilation from the new box set. Nice versions of some of the more well known songs on this 1 disc version. Ironically it makes me apprec. the Dead all that much more-less hype, more jams, more chances taken, less politics, more timeless IMHO.

@Oxford88

Well said.

loves me some marye

Mary Ramon(e) Tommy Ramone passed recently...hooray for the Ramones! or, Gabba Gabba Hey! Revolver sounds REALLY good right now :))) I recommmmmmmmmmmmmmend Love or Confusion by Jimi H Exp. Wanna blow your mind? Read Beloved by Toni Morrison. CREEPY. HARTFORD 83!!!

hey Marye, Seth H. is correct...

you missed the original post that started it all...so, yea that should be removed as well... peace to you, Brother Seth... ♤

BlairJ versus BigDonnie

Does anyone remember the Blair J and Big Donnie smackdown on the Europe 72 thread a few years ago? That was something to behold.Speaking of BlairJ, you never see his postings anymore. Could BlairJ be posing as Bolo24? Just wondering.

Allman

That does make a lot of sense, indeed. Oh that mysterious Bolo...

New Jerry Release...

UnderTheVolcano: You are in for a treat... I was blown away by this release.The set list looks very ordinary but the performance is awesome. The sound quality is top notch. Love the background vocals with both Donna and Maria...

Bolo Jackson

Yep. Bolo, same first letter as Blair. J is the 10th letter of the alphabet. 24, or 2 + 4, = 6 6 + 6 = 12. Subtract 12 from the number of letters in the alphabet (26) and you get 14. Take the 4 from Bolo's name, and subtract it from 14, and you get 10 (J!) It's obvious! (The "olo" is just there to confuse us)

stop

Who cares who or what message started it? Please respect a very good moderator in Marye and just let the back-and-forth end. Marye does a great job and rarely gets involved in these spats between members. She isn't banning you guys, just saying cut it out. Now, where is the DaP11 announcement? The timing of this box announcement really will leave DaP11 little space of its own. I am sure it will get the love it deserves, but I wonder if some non-subscribers will have to forgo purchasing because of this $250 box already announced. Lastly, release of individual shows would be fantastic. My guess on the E72 individual releases is that there was a quick demand for the music-only box, but that did not live up the hype. So, they have them in-stock now. Personally, I love that the E72 tour is available individually-- I didn't get the box, but have been chipping away at shows. Someday, maybe I will have the tour...

Avatar confusion

Does bolo24 have part of the cover art for DaP11 up as an avatar?Saw it this morning and it's been bugging me. Is that it? So much confusion, so little mind. Bobaloo is curious..............

Claney

...or the "olo" are not letters, but numbers. Hmmmmm

A rose by any other name

This is pretty random, but Manuel Neuer is Germany's Goalkeeper. His name is abbreviated Ma. Neuer. And his nickname is "The Horse" Ma. Neuer. That is total BS. Of course his last name is pronounced "Noyer."

Individual Spring 1990 shows available for download?

Do we know if more than the entire box and the Branford show is available for individual purchase? I want several of the shows with a Branford hardcopy but not necessarily a complete run...

Zuckfun

Very interesting! But I don't think it's BS. HS, maybe.

call me old fashioned but....

dantian

Dantian, that's it! You've figured out the code. I can't reveal what I now realize though, it would not be fair. PS - “If you go flying back through time, and you see somebody else flying forward into the future, it's probably best to avoid eye contact” - Jack Handy PPS - Cosmicbadger - I think Peace, Love, and Understanding are freakin' hilarious.

@cosmicbadger

Great tune! sort of bang it out on my acoustic from time to time

had to do it, great pop song mtv...

Look really hard...

...at Bolo's avatar, and you can see (in VERY tiny print) "9/14/82" !

@owlshead

nice pick

@Jackstrawdavect

DUDE! I got your PM.I have what you're looking for. 1 left. Check PM for my direct email and info... check SOON though....

look really hard...

...at anything and you can see anything. In tiny print. I'm really liking the new Jerry Band release. Wonderful music for a long summers day and night.

@Star Dark

Looks more like 7/10/81 to me. :-D

Claney

I've finished translating the rest of it. Don't get on that ship! The rest of the book, it's... it's a cookbook!

LOL dantian

cue Twilight Zone theme

Sound Check

So, as we sit twiddling our thumbs in anticipation of DaP 11... In heavy rotation: Sturgill Simpson's "Metamodern" Howlin' Brothers' "Howl" Rodney Crowell's debut Hey - music beyond the Dead. Whodathunk?

Hey Fennario - how does JGBv4 compare to Pure Jerry Warner?

Fennario, How does the JGB Vol 4 compare to the Pure Jerry Warner Theatre Release? I love the Warner version of Mission - just bursting of energy and my wife loves Midnight Moonlight, so the second disc gets a lot of rotation in the car. Trying to figure where to spend my grateful music dollar... Music in play: Box TOO, JGB Vol4, GDMovie Soundtrack, SSDD, new CSNY box, Led Zep remasters, E72 boxset - Love it all, but can't get it all. Listening to the Spring 90 shows from bttree/archive, digging what I'm hearing thus far...

Pure Jerry

I missed out on the Pure Jerry which is one reason this release makes me so happy. One caveat: It's missing the last few minutes of Midnight Moonlight according to the small print on the CD case if that matters to anyone (tape apparently ran out). I'm sure it does matter to some of you :) IMHO It's worth it for the piano playing alone. Keith and Ozzie must have been competing for Jerry's approval!

Sounds like...

...it might matter to your wife, huh?

Actually...

it says "the first few minutes". My eyes are horrible...double vision.

Read it again...

...first few "measures"!

Nope...

It's the end that's missing. The song ends abruptly. Pretty ugly actually. Unless I have a defective CD?

heavy rotation

Cy Dune - "Shake"Wooden Wand - "AZAG TOTH" People of the North - "Judge A Man By His Fruits" William Tyler - "Blue Ash Montgomery" M. Geddes Gengras - "Ishi" Ghost - "Snuffbox Immanence" When the Sun Goes Down Vol.1 - "Walk Right In: The Secret History Of Rock 'n' Roll GD - "Formerly the Warlocks"

@boblopes

If you're thinking of the CSNY box, I'd say go for it. It's fantastic. Sure, it was cleaned up a bit by Nash, but the music is phenomenal. It's a nice portrait of the tour. The single disc version at Best Buy isn't too shabby a sampler, but the full three set summary is worth the cash. I've had it in since I bought it last week.

CSNY

I bought the single disc from Amazon and it came with Auto Rip. The auto rip included all 40 tracks - YMMV of course.

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