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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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December 11, 2014 - 7:57am

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wjonjd

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One Man - Peaks

Not really, no. When dynamic range compression is applied, not only do they reduce the difference between the loudest and softest amplitudes, they also then have room to increase the amplitude over the entire range, so that at a given volume setting on your volume knob the volume of the music is louder than it would have been - the loudest sound is louder, the softest sound is louder, and the average sound is louder, than it would have been compared to the same signals prior to dynamic compression and raising the amplitude. This is why dynamic range compression is important in the "loudness wars" in commercial releases for radio. They compress the range, and then have room to make the whole range louder without going over peak and clipping. When you look at the visual representation of the sound from the HD file compared to the 16-bit file, the HD file is "smaller" from top to bottom - it is not as loud, but if you were to analyze it, you would find that the DIFFERENCE between the highest peaks and smallest peaks are, relative to each other, greater. So, while the -10db peak of the CD is louder than the -15db peak of the HD file, it is the CD that has had dynamic range compression applied so that they can then raise the amplitude of the entire signal by some percentage, making the peak volume of the CD louder than the peak volume of the HD file (and the average, and the softest sound as well). When the dynamic range compression is applied the DIFFERENCES between the amplitudes of loud and soft are made smaller - the percentage change is not the same across the spectrum of amplitudes, as the "average" amplitude will not have a change applied (that's a simplification, not exact, and also I'm not sure if it would be the mean or the median or some other midway point that remains unchanged). When they subsequently make the entire signal louder, the amplitude increase is percentage-wise the same across the board. THAT transformation DOES raise the average amplitude. Does that make sense? Obviously, none of this is inherent to either 16-bit or HD 24-bit. It could be applied to either. For some reason they apply it to the 16-bit file, probably because a lot of people don't like it when a CD seems like the volume is too low compared to other CD's they have. In other words, I expect they have to cater to consumer expectations.
December 11, 2014 - 2:59am

#72

One Man

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Peaks

Isn't a peak of -15 dB lower than -10 dB? Doesn't that suggest the HD file is more compressed than the CD? Actually, they probably both have some amount of light compression on them because that's just how it's typically done in the world. It's bizarre that one would be that different from the other. You can hear as little as 1 dB, maybe even less. The first S90 box had lots of audible compression, at least on the individual tracks. It sounds way too smooth to be au naturel, even if the mix of the various signal levels is not always great.
December 10, 2014 - 9:29pm

#73

TN Dead

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pono is a player

Is it possible that a pono player has better components than another portable playback device ? It was designed with this in mind.Same files, different players, different playback results.
December 10, 2014 - 7:04pm

#74

wjonjd

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FourWinds - my apologies

I did a comparison of the CD version of Wake Up To Find Out (actually the one from the full box) and the 24/192 download. I used the first 15 seconds of Estimated Prophet (the software I'm using only lets you start at the beginning, and I didn't take the time to lop off an equal amount from the beginning of both files in order to get to the middle of the file). I chose Estimated Prophet because it begins right away having been transitioned into from the Eyes. The results: The average levels (left/right) on the CD are -17.42db/-16.19db the average levels on the HD file are -17.96db/-16.72 the peak level on the CD is -10db the peak level on the HD file is -15db The Stereo Balance on the CD is -2.14db (diff between L and R) The Stereo Balance on the HD file is -2.43db And the peak frequency on the CD is 14,685Hz the peak frequency on the HD file is 14,109Hz (that's a surprise) So, it appears that they HAVE INDEED applied some dynamic range compression to the CD version, although not a lot. I have NO IDEA why they wouldn't just convert the 24/192 file to 16/44.1 using noise-shaped dithering. The resulting files would be VIRTUALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE from each other. This still says nothing about the inherent equivalency to the human ears of 16/44.1 versus 24/192, but THAT'S IF THEY'RE FROM THE SAME SOURCE. My humble apologies FourWinds as you are indeed correct that they created a master for the 16-bit file that has had some amount of dynamic range compression applied to it. WHY???? Who knows. There is NO (good) reason to do this!!! The 24/192 is not better because it 24/192. It's better because they didn't apply dynamic range compression to master used for it. However, FourWinds, in your original post you wished they would just release the HD 24/192 file already!! WHY NOT wish that they convert the 24/192 to 16/44.1 and LEAVE IT ALONE to create the CD and 16/44.1 files?? That would serve the SAME purpose. And here are the file sizes for that one file: CD: 153,035kb HD: 998,784kb And, they have the same POTENTIAL for audio fidelity. Why not just wish for 16/44.1 files/CD's made directly from the 24/192's? Wouldn't that make far more sense. In any case, you were right - they're not the same. I have no idea why they chose to do this. One Man - Yes, for driving in my car (where I do a LOT of listening) files with more dynamic range compression make it much easier to hear all the music. You don't have to keep turning the volume up and down - up because you can hardly hear it and then BAM you get hit with the LOUD so you have to turn it down again. It is true that the range compression can pretty much fix that problem. Since we would never get two versions of everything with one purchase, my preference would be to get CD's/files that have NO dynamic range compression applied, and then I could apply my to create a set of files for travel (car/plane/walking, etc.)
December 10, 2014 - 6:21pm

#75

dantian

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Got to hand it to you, wjonjd

You have a lot of patience ;)
December 10, 2014 - 6:15pm

#76

One Man

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E72 Box

I'm not sure what is fatiguing anyone's ears, but I hear some kind of pervasive audio distortion in about the first half of the E72 box mixes. It clears up on one of the Paris shows. I have no idea what caused it, but it is obvious to me and I'm sure the mix engineer noticed it eventually but no one bothered to go back and fix those first mixes. It could be inherent in just those first tapes (very doubtful), some kind of A-D transfer issue (can't imagine what), something to do with the Plangent Process (again, no idea), or something else. It still bugs me that these mixes were so rushed. Thank the gods they did not do the same with the '72 Veneta show or the new Spring 90 box. Also, let's not confuse file (data) compression with dynamic range compression. Dynamic range can be severely squashed on ANY recording format if the engineer chooses to do that. The GD archival releases are generally lightly compressed compared to many commercial releases, and I'm sure that is intentional. I actually wish they had a touch more dynamic compression on them sometimes, just to make them sound less jumpy.
December 10, 2014 - 4:16pm

#77

wjonjd

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down mix process

There is no dynamic compression required when converting from 24-bit to 16-bit, and there is no reason to believe they just CHOSE to use any dynamic compression on the 16-bit file, but not on the 24-bit file. Your comment makes it clear (unless I'm mistaken, which I could be) that you believed that 16-bit is INHERENTLY more compressed than 24-bit, which is simply not the case in any way. Unless you have some reason to believe they just chose to compress the range of softest to loudest sounds on the 16-bit file and not on the 24-bit, I'd be interested to hear it. I think that's more than very very highly unlikely. Again, if you are experiencing ear fatigue from the 16-bit files, you have zero chance of improving that by buying the more expensive 24-bit ones except by placebo effect, unless they chose to reduce the dynamic range on the 16-bit files and not the 24-bit files for some reason. What possible reason do you have to suspect they would even consider going through the trouble of instituting dynamic range compression on the 16-bit files (CD's). They were NEVER going to be destined for mainstream radio play, and even if they were I don't believe Jeffrey Norman and his team do that even for releases that ARE destined for radio play. Of course, there is an easy way to answer this. Simply send DL an email to ask Jeffrey Norman (if you can't email Jeffrey Norman directly) if they compressed the dynamic range for the 16-bit release and CD's and not for the 24/192 (or 24/96) on any of their other archival releases where they have made hi-def available. I wouldn't promise my first-born, but I'd bet a lot that the answer will be no. In which case, as the links I posted point out pretty well, you will hear no difference between the two versions, nor experience a different level of ear fatigue or emotional connection - at least not due to the sound coming out of your loudspeakers. EDIT - I decided to purchase the Wake Up To Find Out hi def (24/192) download. I will rip from my CD version direct to 16-bit wav and compare them using a software audio package and should be able to easily tell if dynamic compression was used on one and not the other. I will let you know. I see no reason why they would treat the E72 release differently than the Wake Up To Find Out release as far as whether they chose to modify the dynamic range for the CD's. They both came from multi-track tape masters. Even if they didn't spend the time on the E72 releases that they did on the Wake Up To Find out release, I would still bet they treated the CD's the same in terms of how they transferred the original 24-bit files they mixed/mastered with to the 16-bit files they used to create the CD's. I will report back with the results.
December 10, 2014 - 2:58pm

#78

fourwindsblow

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Compression

If dynamic compression was used in the down mix process no further compression is needed.
December 10, 2014 - 2:26pm

#79

wjonjd

Joined:
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Grammy Nomination

Yes, Congratulations to all involved. I also believe this box deserves the grammy nod - I believe it surpasses the music in the first box, and the package itself is simply exquisite (as was the first box).
December 10, 2014 - 2:21pm

#80

SPACEBROTHER

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Grammy Nomination

It's only fitting that a Brent era release got a Grammy nod. Congrats Bob, Phil, Mickey, Bill, Dave, Mark, Mary, Norman, Blair and everybody involved! This is the good stuff here.

John Perry Barlow

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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

Movie Night

Wow--What an amazing night at the movies. It was a pleasure seeing Pigpen singing at least one song(Mr Charlie). Jerry, Bobby, Phil, Bill, & Keith were all on fire. I may have to pick up the CD just for The Other One. Thank you to everyone who put this together and I hope this gets released for all who missed it to see.

MUAM

Just got back and it was AWESOME!!! Great to see the guys having so much fun and the playing was phenomenal. Nice to see Jerry looking very spiffy in a tie dye and a nice leather jacket. Great to see Pig knock out Mr. Charlie. And nothing swings like Truckin'.Two PITB and an awesome TOO made for a great night at the movies. Rock on

Missed out on the movie !

Any more details in regard to Spring 90' box ? Any behind the scenes looks into the making of the box ? Seems like no new announcements were made. SiriusXm has the Dave's 11 preview next Wednesday, but it doesn't say what show. Today was also the 25th anniversary of Alpine Valley 89',, portion of that show was featured on Today in GD History. Let the Good Times Roll and the releases keep coming

Beat Club

Looks like there are less than 20 available. Pick this one up now!

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MUATM

Back from MUATM... expected the DaP#11 announcement... oh well.Cool info about 1990 TOO box set. .... had fun yelling out answers at the Dead trivia before the movie started... Worst part: as the Other One was about 5 minutes in, the camera zooms in on Jerry's hands,... and the laptop? they were playing the video from, crashed. Blue screen. Lights up in the theater. 5 minutes til anyone even knew. Thankfully they scrolled back to the drum solo, turned the volume up as requested, and continued with The Other One.... GREAT time with the wife, a few Stella's @ Bonefish Grill beforehand... then had fun @ the movie. Hope everyone else had a great time!

MUATM

MUATM!

AMAZING. Intensely furious jamming-close up camera work-the Dead at the height of their telepathic powers. Does anyone out there know if other films from 72 tour exist?

Beat Club

Loved the Meet Up at the Movies! An outstanding document of the band

@ Mbarilla re: MUAM

Before the Beat Club show started, they did speak with Bobby & Jeff Norman for a couple of minutes as they sat at the mixing board. Bobby said that during this tour the band was firing on all cylinders and that they were definitely at the top of their game. He said Jerry had fully recovered form his coma and was clean. Then he kind of laughed and said"Well, as clean as he could be". Too funny. Jeff said he takes one song at a time and takes one band member at a time. He said that he has the most fun with Jerry and does him last. Branford was also on and he said the LOVED playing with them. He said "No sound check, no practice, no set list, no nothing. Just come out on stage and let it flow. I was like this is the SHIT"! Everyone in the theatre got a good laugh out of that. Before the movie they were playing Eyes of the World from 3/29/90 while they asked trivia questions. But once again, my wife proved the old adage that is expressed many times here, the wives usually don't "get it". My wife loves the short snappy song like One More Sat. Night, Bertha, BIODTL, etc. But part way through the GREAT TOO jam, she leans over to me and says "Does it ever end"! I laughed out loud at that. Too funny indeed. A great night for sure and I cannot wait for next year's MUAM. I too was hoping for the DaP11 announcement, but no luck.

@hbob1995...

My wife did the SAME thing through the jam... she actually was worried going to the movie she'd be bored. But she said "I get bored in movies with plots, but I really enjoyed that"...but it's not just the dead, she doesn't enjoy the noodling from any band... in fact she really doesn't like the Allman's. She does however enjoy the jamming of CRB and the Black Crowes... CRB especially. Anyway... great night out here in Columbia, SC!

highlights

Couple things caught my eye during the Bremen show. When you see the band close up enough to see their fingers on the fretboard AND the looks they exchange, you get a better feel for the 3-4 note signals they send each other to take it up or take it down. The full band seemed to fully enjoy playing both Mr. Charlie (robust and funky) and One More Saturday Night, which is almost too much on the box set due to its incessant appearance on nearly every show (something that doesn't happen to Playing in the Band), but rocked big time last night. In fact, my "insight" is that the longer, spacier Playing in the Band marked the first big, new jam vehicle to emerge as the band left behind Alligator, St. Stephen, etc. So they played it every chance they got, including twice last night, because it's seemingly a path to the future. Keith appears benevolently bored most of the time, but comes alive in the brisker jams. When Jer stops Sugaree and says "someone played the wrong changes" he has his back to Pigpen and is kinda joking with Phil about, obviously, Pigpen. It sounds like a kindly exasperation and it seems to reflect a level of tolerance born of compassion for Pigpen's obvious demise and the realization that Pigpen never made the transition to the band's somewhat newly acquired musical sophistication. Of course, Pigpen essentially was a bluesman and that fancy shit was beyond him and that's not a bad thing. Wish he'd lived to make his solo album.

leave the non-Deadheads at home

You either get the Grateful Dead or you don't. If you don't, stay away and keep the "wow they play song long time" comments to thyself. Interesting juxtaposition: Sunshine Daydream and Beat Club. SD played outdoors, very public, very community. BC played in television studio, a few crew, very intimate; very community 42 years later (THANK GOODNESS). SD is one of the top five shows ever. BC is pure GD fun. More meet-ups, please. I don't need a tote bag or rubber stamps, just more music (and appropriate visuals.) At times, it looked like the GD were playing in Bikini Bottom, with those tie-dye images. That's an appropriate visual.

Blew my wad on Spring TOO....

....so I missed Beat Club. Love reading the comments on it however. As far as the DaP 11 announcement, I think they should not announce it at all. Just make it a surprise in our mailboxes....

Dave's Picks 11 is...

Just got the following e-mail. Read on.... Dear Valued Customer, Thank you for your recent order from the Dead.net Store. We appreciate your business! You are receiving this message becasue we want to confirm that you are at the same address entered at checkout for your preorder of Dave's Picks Volume 11: Century II Convention Hall, Wichita, KS 11/17/72. If you are at the same address, please disregard this message. If you have moved, please reply to this email with your new address information no later than Friday, July 25. Thank you! Kind regards, Dead.net Store Customer Care Team

just got it too

WOO HOO.............1972!

Disregard my last post....

....I just got the same email. "Oh Toto, there's no place like home." Bring on Wichita. Super-stoked for this one. After all, my name is Vguy"72"....

same email! Hot hot show!

DP11 MYSTERY SOLVED

So it is official...Wichita Kansas 11/17/72. Congrats all of you Fall of 72 folks. This has been a good couple of days for the '72 devotees.

11/17/72 Wichita

Ain't no questions now.

Fall '72

Excellent choice.

Same message...Wichita it is...

Another 72 to the collection

Announcement for 11 Daves

Dave's Picks Volume 11: Century II Convention Hall, Wichita, KS 11/17/72

Announcement for 11 Daves

Dave's Picks Volume 11: Century II Convention Hall, Wichita, KS 11/17/72

Wichita 72

Just got the address verification email, it's 11/17/72!

after last night at movie

I am psyched for another 1972 entry.

DaP 11

Looking forward to seeing the artwork.

Vinyl

Does anyone know (or want to guess) if any vinyl will be pressed for for the "Too" series (or the 3/29 show)? Thank you, Justin

Hear-hear...

On a vinyl release. Wait, can you say 3/29/90 complete for Black Friday RSD?

DaP11

Here is about all I will say about this one. If I didn't have a subscription, Dave would really have to sell this one on me. I hope to be surprised and find some interesting new nuggets of gold in this concert, but I am a bit saturated with 1972 right now. Speaking of selling me on something, I have one regret re: DaP purchases and that is #7, 4/24/78. Dave really sold that one hard and it just does not hold up as a top shelf show, in my opinion. I just recently listened again and was again seriously underwhelmed by this show. I didn't pull the trigger on #8 because of that experience and truly regret not picking that one up.

Wichita...

Cool Wichita late 72,should be some good jams can't wait. anyone know when it goes on sale?...

estimated-eyes

I agree that 4/24/78 was the weakest DaP so far, but I wouldn't say I regret purchasing it. The Scarlet-Fire is top 10 and the Good Lovin' is my favorite post-Pig. The first set is pretty solid and high energy. Disc three is pretty underwhelming though. I would wait to see if they supplement 11/17/72 with some 11/18 filler. Otherwise it looks pretty short. If that Playin' from 11/18 makes it on there, purchase right away.

DaP 11

From what I see, about 1/3 of this show has not circulated, so this show is longer than most setlists show. In that 1/3, there's a Bird Song. This was a great era for Bird Song.

Yeah Baby!!!..

....just what Dave's Picks needed, a 72 show! Looks good, I'm ready to rock! Last night's movie was awesome! Wish they would release the DVD but you cant have everything I guess. This and the new JGB(which is excellent!) should kill time nicely until Spring 90 TOO arrives! Later folks!!

estimated-eyes...

check PM RE: DaP #8

Grateful Dead Projects

Honorable mention for 11/17/72 here:http://gratefuldeadprojects.com/Jam_Segments.html

Bird Song

When was Bird Song never good?

Wichita 72

A favorite show of mine since around 2002, when I first heard it. Given that some of the more well known shows (Hofheinz!) from this period are not in the Vault, this was a GREAT pick. Especially since the circulating versions (that I know of) have splices and somewhat murky sound - this is going to be a massive sonic upgrade. Have I mentioned (several times) that my VERY favoritist, top, bestist era for the Dead is October-November 72? And we finally have our first release from that period! (Yes, I think it is very different from September - more skronk, more jazzy jamming - I mean, check out the Other One in this Wichita show - perhaps Keith's finest moment in jazz mode... Or, the Box of Rain. Their best song, IMO - but not always enjoyable for me to hear them play live (the vocals can be, uh, problematic on this one). But they NAIL the harmonies on this version.... (and on Brokedown) I am a happy camper.

DP 11

Gotta admit, this looks great. Hey, at least it's a different MONTH in '72 then has ever been released ;) And it's great to see one of the '72 Box of Rains on a release...to my ear, they're ever so slightly closer to American Beauty than the '73 ones. I've never heard this show, but all the Archive comments are pretty ecstatic, sounds like a really small venue and looking forward to this reportedly standout He's Gone. And as Mustin says, was Bird Song ever not good? Still hoping for a mid-80's release for DP12 (no, Spring '90 is not the same thing). Or a '68. This is likely my last subscription (I'm ready to say I have enough)(with option to buy one-offs) so I really hope it's an under-represented year for the finale. And still have my finger on the trigger for this box...one more big splurge?

wichita KS - 11/17/72

i don't think they could have picked a show with a worse setlist. the only songs i like are: brown-eyed women china cat sunflower i know you rider he's gone truckin' the other one brokedown palace sugar magnolia this show has too many covers the grateful dead could never pull off. hopefully, there is some quality filler added to this release.

Pfox....

...man, I missed your uplifting posts...... . want to see a bummer setlist? Try 7/4/87...yuck...

Set List

Remember what determines a great show: It's not necessarily what they play, it's how they play it. Regardless, the set list from 11/17/72 looks terrific, in my opinion. I've heard amazing things about the He's Gone - Truckin - Other One - Brokedown Palace - Sugar Mag.

7/4/87

i don't know if its that bad. its sort of hot & cold. some great songs. some lousy songs. for the record let me just say two of my favorite releases are from 1972: dick's picks 30 academy of music & sunshine daydream veneta oregon you're right nanno-1974. sometimes its how they play, but sometimes i'd rather hear a song i like even if the band is a little off.

Brilliant

An 80s installment on top of a 2nd 90 release would've been cause for consternation; however, this is an absolutely fantastic selection which, as Claney recognized, taps a magnificent Fall 72 season that has been understandably overshadowed by the nearly unprecedented, sustained excellence of the overseas Spring tour (i.e., "nearly" because April - June 77 is equally impeccable - though of a different stripe - night-in, night-out). A few notes from The Tome (Taper's Compendium): "a raw and exceptional Grateful Dead performance"; "The M&MU, TN Jed, China>Rider and A&A stand out because of the band's uncharacteristically massive jams"; "This TOO is atypical for its lack of structured theme...[it] is a pure and demented improvisational drift". Wow. And with Englishtown on the re-release horizon from Real Gone. Thank you, David./kate :))

Excellent idea!

"Wait, can you say 3/29/90 complete for Black Friday RSD?" Excellent idea!

11/17/72

Exactly one month before I first saw the Dead. 12/15/72 Long Beach Arena. To this day one of my favorite concert memories ever. Began a love affair with the Dead that had me catch every show I could within reason. Last show was 12/19/94 Los Angeles Sports Arena. Back in the day we cherished every recorded note we could get our hands on. Now people complain. It's a great time to be alive.

Vol 11 Fall 72

Can't wait to compare the 11/17/72 He's Gone to the 9/17/72 Dick's #23 version (my most of the time favorite version) :)

I was going to bet on 1981 but. . ...

. . .. This will be a very enjoyable Dave's!

Setlist ? --> :)

This is one of those shows where you should pretty much ignore the setlist. It tells you very little about the tight and focused playing within. Songs that I might normally skip (MAMU!) are so kick-ass in this show. I'm getting all worked up. I haven't listened to my copy for a long time, because of the sound quality, and there is so much better sounding stuff now, so... I mean, wow. What an upgrade this will be. Isn't that one of the things we want from a subscription series like this? Great, underrated, little heard, poor sounding show gets upgrade. Hell yeah. Sorry to be so crazy enthused about this one, can't help it. Those of you who haven't heard it, just wait until you do. If you haven't got a subscription, order this one... you will kick yourself later if you don't. If the sound quality is what I expect it to be, this will knock DaP 8 (1980) aside as my favorite of the series, no doubt about that. EDIT - Kate, thanks for sharing those quotes from the review in the TC - I'll have to read that review again. But it's pretty spot on if I recall (well, maybe except for the "raw" part).

Setlist confusion - DaP 11

Some of the published setlists for this concert are incomplete. Here's the show: Set 1 The Promised Land Sugaree Me And My Uncle Tennessee Jed Black Throated Wind Bird Song Jack Straw Box Of Rain Don't Ease Me In Beat It On Down The Line Brown Eyed Women Big River China Cat Sunflower -> I Know You Rider Around And Around Casey Jones Set 2 Cumberland Blues El Paso He's Gone Truckin' -> The Other One -> Brokedown Palace -> Sugar Magnolia Uncle John's Band Johnny B. Goode

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