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    What's Inside:
    •144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
    •A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
    • Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
    •8 complete shows on 23 discs
          •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
          •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
          •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
          •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
          •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
          •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
          •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
          •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
    Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
    Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
    Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
    Original Art by Jessica Dessner
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

    Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

    "If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

    Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

    With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

    For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

    Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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  • rrot
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    They have made some pretty good choices in Latvala and Lemieux. As far as I can see, both Dick and Dave were/are as informed as anyone could want about the Dead's performance history. But equally important, they were/are both very interested in What Other People Think. Dick definitely was open to learning more from anyone -- and if you go back and look at the comments of his that people quote about this or that show, in their complete context (he published basically a laundry list of shows with his comments in a few big blasts), you'll see that he was constantly asking "show me" "what do you folks think?" etc. We know he peeked in at dead.net forums and sometimes posted. Dave L is in some ways very similar. He says he doesn't look in at any of the goings-on here (who could blame him!), but you could easily email him and ask about anything, like what he thought about releasing something from the Spring '87 Hartford Civic Center or Worcester, MA runs? And I'm sure he'd have a thoughtful reply, based on knowing the performances, what other venues had hot shows in that time period, and what was actually in the vault (we did hear the 3/26/87 He's Gone in 2010's 30 Days of Dead...). I don't at all believe that Dave is biased against particular eras. He's got a 20-70 minute radio show every day of the week, where he plays something from the approximate calendar date. Anyone who's listened to that show over any length of time will tell you that Lemieux plays music from, and seems excited about, every facet of the band's career. Looking at Dave's Pick's early days also seems a lot like Dick's Picks early days. There were complaints about every single one of the early Dick's Picks: not whole shows, significant audio shortcomings, too well-known &/or not enough of an "upgrade" over what already circulated, etc. (Naturally, 99% of folks who own those picks today wouldn't want to give them up!) But none of the early Dick's (or Dave's) picks got the drubbing of Dick's 6, ironically from a time period that would now be greeted with joy, or at least relief, from all quarters: the mid-80s. Meanwhile, the actual situation with releases in audio and video, is quite literally an embarrassment of riches. Who the %^&! would've believed, 5 years ago, that we'd soon see the entire Spring 1972 AND Spring 1990 tours released? And that there'd be f^&#(ng VENETA in our living rooms??! Shit, even if you don't especially love every bit of one (or the other) (or all), you can at least be happy that it means those particular silver mines are sealed! Now on to other rich veins!!! Hold on people, we are getting where we are going faster than we ever believed.
  • Vguy72
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    The only way I would be upset....
    ....with a new release, was if was a re-release of an already official release. There, that should settle it......
  • mbarilla
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    Now that 1972 and 1990 has been put to bed for a while,
    Bring on the 1983 or 1984 show !!! I would be very pleased to hear a top of the line show in great audio remastered from the hands of Norman and picked by Dave from either of those years. I may not get my wish for those two years, but I do think 9-18-87 is coming very soon. For the community to quench their thirst for more 80's. I also anticipate another release for Black Friday, hopefully in both formats (vinyl and CD.) RSD is like an early Christmas for me. Norman should have plenty of time to work on those 1971 tapes that were returned, since it was revealed the Spring 90' project was finished in May. I Would love to know what they got their hands on. Anybody with any info about Hawaii June 1970 ?? I mentioned before and know Dave has got something from June 12, 1970. I am pumped for any release, so keep em coming for those who are responsible. All good things in All good time. So many roads to ease my soul, so many roads to tease my soul.
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    Man there some mad anger goin on on this site today. All i know is that if i dont like something being released um i just dont buy it. I dont go on some internet site and lash out on the band and there affiliates because they didnt cater to my every need. Relax and respect the dead
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    re: Rhino, band member's input, integrity, etc. "All four Dead members and Garcia's estate have to approve new entries... "Hart did not preview the remastered concerts. "I don't listen to the [old] music, because it's kind of like eating the same meal, and all I hear is the mistakes," he says. Like the other members, he's far too busy concentrating on making new music to focus on the past. That's what they have Pinkus for. "I go to sleep at night and know our legacy is not being plundered by some evil corporation," Hart says. "It doesn't make me cringe, and I think they're doing good business, as opposed to being evildoers." http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-grateful-dead-20110908…
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    to each their own
    Im excited, for both the Daves Picks and the Spring 90 too box set, 1972 may not have been my first pick, but I'm not the picker and was 1972 bad, definitely not. Im just happy that someone is still taking all the time to remaster recordings, put together awesome art, and then sell it to us. If I was so picky that I only wanted releases from a few years of the Deads career I'd go on archive and suck up whatever sound quality was there just so I could here the years I want. So I think i like every year right up to the last show in 1995. I don't see any reason to disrespect people that are excited for the releases that are coming out, or to be mean to the people who don't like the releases.
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    why not more 80's... DL: We just don't have outstanding quality tapes of every year. When we do, we don't necessarily have more than maybe two to five great tapes of a certain year. Whereas 77, we have two-thirds of the year in outstanding, really good quality. 73, 74, we've got 90% of both of those years in great quality. In addition to having great quality performances and really unique shows every night, we've also got these amazing tapes. We do try to bounce around a fair amount. We do pay attention. We do have this 89 DVD and soundtrack [coming out]. We do have this big box set (_Beyond Description_) that was 73 to 89 that was very heavy on 80 to 89 on the bonus material that went on Dead Set and Reckoning and Go to Heaven. We consciously looked at that and did the 66 thing. We're hoping to do some 69 later this year, something substantial. We did an 82 Dick's Picks quite recently. We don't group the 80s Dick's Picks together too much because we just don't have great tapes of a lot of em. But we do have a lot of good multi-track from 89, 90, so we consider that to be very much 80s releases, whether their Dick's Picks or not. We've got Nightfall of Diamonds. We’ve got Go to Nassau out. We do try to get out a good representation, but I agree that it's definitely weighted towards the 70s but it's twofold, based on performance, first of all, and the kind of tapes we have. JPG: I’m just surprised that the 80s don’t have good quality tapes. DL: Well, they're mostly PA tapes. A PA tape is a board tape that's exactly what came out of the PA, that mix. If the hall didn't sound good, the PA didn't sound good. Whereas a Betty Board or something "Kid" [Candelario] recorded or Rex [Jackson] or any of those people in the 70s, those tapes were actually mixed by somebody offstage specifically mixed to tape. Those were mixed in order to be specifically listened to by somebody dedicated to mixing a proper tape as opposed to a guy, Dan Healy, whose main job is to make it sound good for 20,000 people. As a side note of that, he hits record on a cassette deck. So, you're getting a cassette tape of a PA mix vs. a reel-to-reel of a properly mixed tape by a professional recording engineer. That's why something like Alpine sounds as it does, which sounds fine, but it doesn't have the fullness of the stature of a Betty Board from 77. You listen to Dick’s Picks 29, (5/19/77, Fox Theatre, Atlanta, GA and 5/21/77, Lakeland Civic Arena, Lakeland, FL) versus an 80s cassette board. It's like a professionally mixed album versus a good quality PA tape. It really is largely weighed on that. If we had Betty Boards, if we had reel-to-reel properly recorded tapes of every show in the 80s, believe me, we would be seeing a lot more 80s releases, equal amount as there is from the 70s. JPG: Yeah, the 80s. Makes me think of the Brent Mydland era. I’m a big fan. DL: Me too. http://www.jambands.com/features/2005/07/09/truckin-up-to-buffalo-part-…
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    Thanks Ace, I feel the same way... (it's the way I felt for Spacebro when the Spring 90 TOO box was announced - like "yeay for Spacebro") Bluekind - first - welcome to the site! I think you're saying that my reply to Unkle Sam (a long time poster whose opinions I respect) was exemplifying "mobbishness." Since you are new and don't have the context of my earlier posts, I might explain that my favorite eras are 1968, 1971-77, 1979-85, and 1988 (pre-midi). So, I don't feel like I'm part of some 70s mob or something. And in fact I've often called for / hoped for a relase from 1983-84 especially . My point to Unkle Sam was regarding one statement, that because it took this long to release Wichita, it must not be good. I did not attack him personally, and the lame little smiley face was just to try to make that even more clear. I was, however, trying to find a pithy way of commenting on the need to label one show "Good" and another "bad" - when it seems to me that we're talking about two very good shows, and whether one LIKES them is subjective. So my point remains, with what I hope is respect and a spirit of non-agressiveness - if Wichita is bad because it is released now, doesn't that mean a show released after it is worse? (I'm NOT saying 3/29 is worse, I'm saying that the above logic would dictate that). Wouldn't it mean that Dick's Picks 1 was the best, and every release since is a little worse? I believe it is okay for us to debate points of logic about the music, is it not? Anyway, peace - and welcome (seriously, no sarcasm - that's why I tend to rely on the dumb smileys)
  • Triad
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    I'm still happy...
    This is the only band in the universe where 20 years after they ended we could get new releases. quit the bitching. any dead is good dead...
  • PatagonianFox
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    wow! sarcasm!
    no record contract is one sentence long. if the grateful dead have surrendered all control to rhino then they obviously don't care. if they still have some input as to what is released, and they choose not to release anything from the '80s then they should probably explain why. if its truly a matter of money then they are sellouts. i have nothing against capitalism. i like money too, but at some point it can't be your primary objective if you value your integrity.
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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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Although I believe he would rather be captain of his own ship, Jorma is the only one to me at least who could do true justice to Jerry
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Dusted of an old tape and took it for a listen for my walk around the the block, and it was really good: 6/20/87 Greek Theatre, Berkeley - Set 2 Aiko Aiko Looks Like Rain Deal > Drumz > Space > Gimme Some Lovin > Watchtower > Wheel > Other One > Wharf Rat > Sugar Mag I believe it is the first Watchtower and the crowd goes nuts! Even the the encore, Saturday Night, was great.
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Fantastic show, particularly set II. It has been an all-time under the radar favorite of mine. I am not sure any other song has had as ferocious a debut as Watchtower did that nite and excluding the one-offs, I think it may be the only song that had its all time best version on its debut (and not because it was poorly played the rest of the years). The Sugar Magnolia is smoking hot as well. The straight-up rock and roll tunes all were served well in 1987, even if the great jammy didn't kick back in until 1989ish. That Mags is up there in my top 10 versions ever, probably in the top 5.
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I know I wouldn't mind a release from '87. I would scoop it up. 6/20/87, I can imagine was fun to attend. Of course Greek Theatre had great sound, outdoor, Bay Area folks. I'm sure you guys had a grate time! Pretty sure my source was aud. and it sounds great. Would this require a Matrix treatment, as I'm sure there was no multitrack. Any stories from this summer tour?
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I can't remember what show it is but Long Beach run November 13-15, 1987 has another under the radar show. I'm pretty sure it's 11-15-87
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It is just over a month until this is released and finally the Spring '90 tour will be completed - I really enjoyed my 1st Spring and can't wait to hear all this music here, there are 2 (extra) concerts here compared to Spring1, which had 6 shows.The set lists here look great - some songs really stand out here in this box and I look forward to hearing them, Cumberland Blues, Crazy Fingers, and Shakedown Street. DRUMZ & SPACE - always favorites - they were so well played on Spring1, that I look way forward to them now. That 50th countdown scares me. I hope its good news for our ears and not just bad to our wallets NEXT YEAR. Megadeth sing that $hit! 'COUNTDOWN TO EXTINCTION' plays.. da-da dant, da-da dant, da-dada-da dant! 'They take a mortal man, and put him in control...', or shareholders same thing.
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The 24-track mastering of this release should be awesome. The band was on fire during these shows and the set lists are outstanding. The show with Branford will be a little icing on the cake for sure but the other shows should not be overlooked. DaP11 is rightfully getting all of the buzz right now, but in one month all you will be hearing about is how great these shows sound. Order yours now or you will be kicking yourself down the road.

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I've gotta say, I can't imagine Hunter singing over the entire Grateful Dead doing justice to his brand of vocal interpretation. That low, rich voice notwithstanding, perhaps its most striking feature is the authority it commands....and that's best experienced over sparse instrumentation. Maybe a well-chosen song or two as a guest appearance, that would be pretty special. Of the Jerry songs I've heard him do, my favorite was Doin That Rag. I could actually hear the lyrics for the first time! The first song I ever saw him do (opening for Phil & Friends) was Box of Rain -- his voice mixed high out of the gate, accentuating his low boom, he just walked out from stage right and immediately began singing "Look out of any window" as he made his way to the center of the stage. Now there's a way to make an entrance.
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The reason for no MIDI in recent incarnations of the band = No Jerry! Jerry was the guy who could show how mind bending MIDI could be. Plenty of great MIDI jams are out there!
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I would like to call for the most minimal collective voice to organize and be able to communicate with Dave and the TPTB. When we call 1-877-DEAD-NET, we are a corporation located in Lancaster, PA called The Jay Group (an "integrated marketing" group). The Jay Group has NOT been outsourced by the Dead, but by yet another company, Delivery Agent. (For those of you who have customer service problems, it should be noted that the Jay Group knows that there is something called the Warehouse, but they don't know where it is, whether it is a production or storage or distribution center, who owns it, etc. Except for an anonymous email channel, there is absolutely no mode of communication that is allowed. No wonder that so many of you have customer service problems. ...I could continue about the dehumanizing at work here--and lengths that have gone to in order to assure that gross profit exceeds human communication....) Delivery Agent's Homepage proudly reads in bold: "Deliver Agent Monetizes Music." I know many of you out there are enthusiasts of the globalized capitalism we are all part of. But I think many of us would like to live in a world less reliant on petroleum-based life, the accelerating of finance for finance, and the destruction of resources. I think less of us would like to live in a world where companies (outsourced by the Dead today) "monetize music." I'm not going to appeal to the Dead's history of making capital secondary. But I do think that it would be an amazing and worthwhile experiment to see if a corporation and its human customers could try to arrange some sort of increased communication. TPTB have absolutely no vested interest in allowing or encouraging an quasi-organized voice to emerge. It could only hurt them, slow down their time, lessen their capital. (But that could be the long term plan that helps their survival.) If you're interested in forming an organized voice, let me know. I would like to email Dave about this, but I don't know his email.
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I just listened to the whole 3/29/90 show (Wake up to find out)... I borrowed an advance copy from my brother.I was at this show... but this is just stellar. I can't recommend it enough. I'm very excited for the box set. They did a GREAT job w/ this.
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While you're answering those questions about our capitalist petroleum based economy answer these How would you feel about the mass starvation (on the scale of billions). The lack of transportation. Oh yeah in case you were wondering the reason billions in Asia are doing exponentially better than just a generation ago is because of...the petroleum based capitalism that you seem to decry. Is the world perfect not by a long shot the 1 area that is a total disaster is Africa and it's not that way because of capitalism but socialism statism command economy whatever you want to call it. No to convert Churchill's words on government to the economy capitalism is the worst form of economic state except for all the others. Thomas Malthus died a long time ago and has been proven consistently wrong
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Other than perhaps hearing of the latest exploits of anyone named Kardashian, I cannot think of anything less interesting to me than participating in picking a "capitalist petroleum based economy" fight with a band and organization that has brought delight to my ears and eyes and mind for 30 years. I am not opining on whether objecting to a "capitalist petroleum based economy" is right or wrong, simply that there are better targets to take that up with than the GD, Dave, Rhino, or whoever one believes to be TPTB. And at the risk of sounding snarky(ier), its hard to believe anyone who cannot find Dave L's email address on this site, mentioned in his videos, or elsewhere online is going to present anything coming close to a cogent point on the vagaries of the "capitalist petroleum based economy." Dick statement? Maybe, but consider that 45 years ago next week Pete Townshend delivered a much harsher (and probably effective) method of making sure a musical platform wasn't co-opted by political opportunists.
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the negativity to my response is surprising. To the first response (snafu): i was not making any of the arguments that you are trying to rebut. my point is that, on every level of our lives (local, consumptive, national, ethical, etc.), we can try to negotiate with a globalized system that has positives and negatives. today, when that system seems to producing major crises that threaten entire populations (even if it also helps other populations), i'm not sure why you feel only celebration. To the second response (djmac): i don't want to start fights. i want more community, more participation on all levels, more knowledge. i'm sorry if i'm not elegant enough for you or if i'm not the most savvy internet user, i didn't mean for my incompetence to be so offensive. but i think it's crucial--and takes minimal effort and is albeit teeny tiny and very 'local' step--toward a more participatory relation between producers and consumers. why is it so bad to want more communication, more participation, more involvement between producer and the consumer? why is there such a nasty, mocking, and condescending attitude towards such a small desire to buy and act ethically??
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A request to Rhino and Dead.net Please consider making Individual Shows from this box set available for download. I bought the first Spring 1990 box and right now I just can't justify buying this whole set. I would love to purchase and hear 1 or 2 of these shows however. I think there is an additional market of people like me who would just like a couple of these shows to hear the new multitrack mix. I applaud you all for making the 3/29 show available as a wider release.
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I'd prefer single show options too. I've only been listening for under a year, and am still getting exposed to all the eras. I've listened to six of the shows on archive (saving 3/29 for the discs) and am listening to the Disco Biscuits GOTV show with Bill and Mickey before I finish the box run. Overall, I'm glad I listened, but I do not think I would listen to all the shows again. If they did a compilation like So Glad You made It, that could work too. The more the merrier. Pat
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My favorite is Just A Little Light from all the tracks featured. I would like to know about digipacks for each show. Will cover art be different ? The first box cover art for each show was fantastic. I'm hoping for something similar, so each show is distinguishable by the cover art. I'm very curious to know how this box set will be packaged or appear on the inside. I know more than half have sold out, so it's about time a trailer is revealed.
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I frequent this site to express my interest in, and appreciation of, the music of the Grateful Dead. The opinions expressed by DJMac and snafu were on target. Please take your politics to another forum. Have a Grateful Day out there.
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I too am in the boat with the people who prefer the single shows option. I've been slowly getting the Europe '72 shows (and LOVING THEM!!!) and trying to keep up with the DP collection. (missed a few...but have 8 of the 11). Then the Winterland stuff came out (and I've got none of it). Then May '77 and Spring '90...Seriously. It's just too much!! I want ALL of it but who can afford it?? I'm gonna need a second and third job to keep up with my addiction! I'll say this - the sound on these discs is fantastic! I've yet to be disappointed. I just need some more cash to keep up. So, yeah, maybe a few single show options? Please? Maybe?
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I would like to see an artist profile posted for the artist for this new box set as was done for those artists who did the previous boxes and Daves picks.
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The politics are already here. It's whether we ignore politics or attempt a responsible living throughout supposedly nonpolitical areas. One can ignore and converted into a consumption machine. or one can try to recreate consumption as a political and participatory activity. But you're desire to exclude, to produce a nice and comfortable barrier between pleasure and politics says enough. I'm more than sad that this is the attitude.
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I get where you are coming from, and I pretty much agree with you on your points, feelings, and desires. And no, I don't think Asian development is as simple as "good". I work in an entirely Asian lab, and I hear regularly about the problems that have come with the very rapid Asian development. And no, Socialism is not to blame for the state of the entire African continent. Africa is a continent, not a country. The factors at play for the instability there are many and complex./ Two very general culprits, especially in the northern half of the continent, are Christianity and Islam. Those two religions and their schism have ripped the northern half to shreds. Add to it global exploitation from the East and West, and you have a very big mess. However, donahue.luke, I do not agree that taking your proposed revolution to DL's doorstep is appropriate or effective. I would argue that global corporate capitalism has created an economic environment where small companies like Rhino (I know they are a part of WEA, but still) have to follow certain rules to survive. For example, my particular weapon of choice when it comes to backpacking and hiking footwear is a small company out of Montana. They state clearly and transparently that yes, their shoes are manufactured in China, but they cannot stay afloat manufacturing in the US as they would like to. So, while having to compromise, they use the opportunity in overseas manufacturing to have a positive influence in the countries where they manufacture their products. I believe Rhino is no different, and I also believe Doc Rhino, Mary E., and even DL probably empathize and even share our frustration at the lack of communication in the supply chain. So yes, the ultimate choice to avoid participating in this entire system would be to boycott consuming from the dead.net store, Rhino, WEA, etc. Another option would be actual political activism in that venue, and even discussion. I too believe we shield ourselves from valuable discussion regarding politics and religion, and it is to the detriment of our society that the only time we feel free to discuss is to argue talking points back and forth, mainly on internet forums. Which brings me to this point, popping up rather randomly with this discussion is pretty out of place, and to organize with the intent to confront DL is rather misdirected. Also, going off on a what is perceived as a tangent just falls on deaf ears. forcing the conversation will not change that. As Dr. King regularly discussed, social acceptability is a powerful tool in activism, and going against the grain brazenly can do more harm than good. I appreciate you thoughts and passion, but perhaps you take some time to refine your plans for activism and consider maximum effectiveness and accuracy.
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You actually did make the points you claim not to.My statements were not the time honored music should be free (Monetize Music?) Even Jerry enjoyed the good life that his art enabled him to participate in. How do you think he got to Hawaii. They were facts based on 240 years of economic science (Adam Smith anyone)
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The economic illiteracy here is incredible. I have no doubt the Asians who were already rich enough to make it here would have issues with those who are now making it (for some perspective delve into Thailand's issues over the past 15 years). For 15 years I have been traveling S.E. Asia the vast majority of people in Thailand,Vietnam and Cambodia are doing far better and there's some real hope for Laos & even Burma. As for the religious bigotry no need to respond. You are technically right about Socialism that's why I added Statism or Command Economy they are all the same thing. An unfortunate fact though not PC is before decolonization Africa was able to feed itself. After the 1 man 1 vote 1 time socialist revolutions starvation reigned. The previous statement is not pro imperialism it simply decries the fact that at the time Socialism was viewed as a panacea
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Thank you for comments, Matchewy. They were helpful. My only main disagreement to you is that i'm falling on deaf ears. although that's probably more than possible, so it's not even a disagreement. but i'd rather than not, it's a minimal effort. and besides, the effort is put in because i love this place for all my problems and critiques. dead.net is one of the only nongrocery and nonhardware or non-locally-sourced stores that i buy from (i live in ithaca, though, so local and progressive economies are doing between than most other places). what about this. i or we or whoever is interested says to dave: "hey, dave we would like to participate. not to unionize or ask for benefits or make demands, but to know what happening, to be able to have a voice that is at least heard if not listened to. many of us even know people trained specifically in helping companies lower carbon footprints, increase labor benefits, finding cleaner companies from which and to which they outsource on the production and distribution sides PRECISELY WHILE SURVIVING AND GROWING. we would make suggestions, but that's it (i mean, it's not like we're in a position to have any sort of power). perhaps a person or small group representing itself (or others if others are interested) would be able to learn more about the whole economic system you're specifically dealing with. and perhaps we could informed of company changes and maybe sit in on board meetings." the idea, then, would not be revolutionary or hostile to the confines of global capital, but to try to at least participate in it, encourage itself to proceed as ethical and economically and politically as possible, even if one teeny step at a time. this type of participation in fact would be revolutionary, even if a very small step: imagine a subsidiary company creating a genuine politico-economic line of communication with its customers. that would be UNHEARD OF! and it's possible.
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Take your political discussion to another board please.....This should be about the music. Thanks
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There is no one-size-fits-all best, of course. I'm glad someone thinks this will be it. I don't. For me that is definitely the E72 box. It's the biggest AND bestest.
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Thanks for the link Spacebrother,...listened last night and my suspicions were confirmed, great sound. Don't know how people can pass this puppy up.
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Anyone know what up with Bob Weir? Just got an email that all dates for Ratdog through January are cancelled due to unforseen circumstances. Hoping he is ok.
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I have listened to several of the tracks from this set and the mix is INCREDIBLE. I can't wait to hear the whole thing but the sixteen song snidbit on Beats is so sick. The sound is off the hook. Great job. Can't wait to hear it all....
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Your post titled "Matchewy and Participation" is perhaps the most amusing little parody piece I've read in a long time. The broken English, the rambling disconnected thoughts, "lower carbon footprint...increase labor benefits..sit in on board meetings." LOL! It gets funnier each time I read it! Bravo!
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donahueluke, I'll decline to say weather I agree/disagree with you. Please, just spare us all. There plenty of other forums to spew and debate political opinions. Please, pretty please, do it on one of those. Now back to talking about music. I ordered this on day one and can't wait for it to arrive. BTW, Dave's 11 has been blowing my mind daily. I can't get enough of that one!
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All Ratdog performances are cancelled thru 2015. Refunds available where tickets were purchased. This does not sound good. Something is up and we will be the last to know, Bobby is very tight lipped about his personal life and I don't blame him for that. Wow, please Bobby, be well.
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I hate to chime in with negative vibes, but donahue.luke, you are on the wrong bus. This is a music site man, not Politico. We all have many views of International politics, national politics etc. But I know no one on the Grateful Dead site cares what I think. And I really could care less what they think. I'm sure you could find much more spirited debate elsewhere. To many good things coming our way in Deadhead land. Spring 90 Vol.2, DP 12, 30 Days of Dead, then 2015 50th Aniv. Seems everyone is digging DP11 right now. Peace
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Anyone know how the CDs will be packaged in the box? I hope NOT in cardboard sleeves (like the Warlocks set) or cardboard wallets (like the Road Trips series) which I find all scratch the CDs. The "digipak" with the clear CD holder works very well for me.
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...I care what you think. :) In some regard, I agree with you and the overriding sentiment expressed so far that this may not be the most appropriate forum for donahue.luke's plea for collective. By the same token, he quite ought to be free to post his well meaning concerns just as you and I are free to skip over whichever posts we choose to. Truth be told, most people would be inclined to click right on past his type of post, especially in this thread. In my humble opinion, he is likely better off posting his message in a more relevant forum and related thread. The community and the gestalt of the site would benefit, it serves to make Dead.net that much more vibrant! Just click, click, click on over to the appropriate forums. I'm sure there is at least one. Who knows, it might be more effective too! Here, I agree with you Phil it just makes no sense. Humph...maybe no one cares what I think... Well there ain't nobody safer than someone who doesn't care And it isn't even lonely when no-one's ever there I had a lot of dreams once, but some of them came true The honey's sometimes bitter when fortune falls on you So you know I've been a soldier in the armies of the night And I'll find the fatal error in what's otherwise all right But now you're trembling like a sparrow, I will try with all my might To give you just a little sweetness Just a little light
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We have a FB group called Grateful Dead Society. If any of you heads are on FB please come join us. Everyone is friendly and we have some great conversations. We can post photos, music, videos etc. Many have helped others out with holes in their collections. Please come join us. Peace
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This is the exactly same box as the first Spring 90 box. The first spring 90 box had space in it to fit two more shows so I would think that the cd packaging will be the same in Spring 90 TOO box.
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GET WELL! Bob. I don't know any more than any one else about the cancellation announcement. I believe it is no one's business except Bob's and his family, fellow musicians and business parties affected by the cancellations. I think it is a big step because of contractual problems which will now arise so the decision could not have been made lightly to state the obvious. I hope Bob gets whatever help or treatment, rest, etc that he may need. I know Deadheads will support him in this.
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Get your rest...hope to see you soon. I love your playing from 11/17/72, especially your wah-wah rhythms on the truckin jam. Really anxious to hear these shows and your playing in this box.
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I haven't seen any of the band post-GD and am still kicking myself for missing Mickey Hart last winter at HOB, and wasn't going to the Ravina show, even though its closer to my home than Chicago, but still want to wish Mr. Weir and his family my regards. Really liked that listening party on Relix, thx 4 that Spacebrother, it sure sounds sweet, I was getting greedy wanting that whole darkstar from 3/29 but that will get me over until this is released. to keep on the greedy groove, I wonder what will be the next RUN of shows to be released; May '77 Box 2, WITH Betty Boards 8May Barton Hall included, yeah people here say why release something we can get 4 free, but I would hope some POLISH would be given due to the fact its a release. Suggestions welcome please, I love to hear from you! Thanks, Jerome.
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Lookin forward to this release. (I'm quickly running out of room on the shelf!)
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Maybe Ratdog is cancelled because it will be 50 year tour 2015 for Grateful Dead.
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