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    What's Inside:
    •144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
    •A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
    • Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
    •8 complete shows on 23 discs
          •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
          •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
          •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
          •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
          •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
          •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
          •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
          •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
    Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
    Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
    Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
    Original Art by Jessica Dessner
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

    Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

    "If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

    Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

    With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

    For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

    Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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  • brianhahne
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    Terrapin Limited...
    Since it's now sold out... does that mean that The Terrapin Station project is now fully funded and we will have a Dead museum to go to? Kidding, I think that was scrapped... would still be cool
  • 44moose
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    It's Déjà Vu all over again
    Hello dead nation This is a quarterly ritually we all enjoy. Guessing next release, hoping for a tour or a show. In reality, we probably all have more than well ever be able to listen to. But like the sports fanatic, music guru, we crave more, and it's a healthy way to stay in the game. Statistics, clues, And general community is the takeaway. Some generous folks have offered to donate $$ to support a guy. That is awesome. I am encouraged by spirit of the folks on line, that may simply look to this board as a source of connection. I don't post often at all, but love the build up and anticipation we all get, like Christmas morning to the next release. It's fun, and allows some great dialogue. Thanks to the a Dead mgmt Dave and the folks that fill a nice void.... As Yogi Berra said Deja Vu all over again, because I hope as the shows get released these boards will allow us to express opinions on music and lifestyle that has clearly defined us in our adult lives, and do it again. God bless our wives. Peace, and Enjoy every sandwich. 44Moose
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    Check Amazon. Often they have the same material as dead.net, sometimes for a few dollars less. I almost pulled the trigger on Winterland 73 last week (at Amazon for $88) but read a review that said the sound quality was not so good, especially on the vocals. I'm glad I waited because I ordered Spring 90 TOO as soon as I got the email that it was available. I missed the first Spring 90 Box by waiting too long. After ordering I watched Dave's video and was pleased to hear that these are not just the leftovers, but (according to Dave) every bit as good as the shows in the first box.
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    I sent you a pm to help you with your quest - a worthy quest in deed...
  • floridabobaloo
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    bitten by fate or you snooze you lose!
    My dumb slow ass did it once more. I grabbed the credit card and said, OK I'll get the winterland 73 box having just enjoyed the heck out of DP#19. SOLD OUT/ I had to laugh at myself! I let it happen with Winterland 77 and now 73. Im thinking by just a couple hours this time. The last recommendation came in, and I decided to do it!Serves me absolutely right thou friends, I gotta say, I did it to myself. Hesitate and it can happen. Alright so all thats left to do is eat a BIG order of Crow! Um Waiter!!!! Hoping Germany sees the Cup win. Be Well Folks and Enjoy.
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    Thanks antonjo! Rhino was in the forefront of issuing obscure or out of print garage and 60's band material in the 80's and 90's. The Historic/Vintage Dead would be right up their alley. Despite my occasional pre-release gripes regarding the fiscal part of some of these releases, we all know they are doing a bang up job with the Dead stuff.
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    Rdevil, Thanks a bunch for the shoutout. I couldn't accept a charity box in good conscience even if it were offered, because I've got a decent-paying job and others are likely more in need than me. It just so happens I've got some priority expenses just 'round the corner and I've shelled out for some other hobbies recently (comic book art and a 5th row Steely Dan ticket). So can I really justify another $250 on GD given the bank of releases I've already got. There's obviously going to be must-haves every year, but, wow, does this become a lifetime budget expense? I skipped the '77 box, but still danced around ordering it like a moth to flame. Because everything's limited now (not a complaint, just a business reality), the option of picking up something later, as in the Dick's days, no longer exists. Spring 90 was the last peak of my show-going glory years, when all my core friends were still going faithfully and as a group, etc. And first night Landover was a fine show. It was the first show for one among us, and she came in wanting "Crazy Fingers." I was like, great, though, um, they don't play that too often, but who knows, MAYBE they will.... And then the Crazy Fingers > Playin to open 2nd set. (The song was pretty much a staple after that.) Of course, this same person, being both female & feminist, was less thrilled with "Never Trust a Woman"...! Another rare tune that reappeared in force for Spring '90. Mr. Wilfred, there's only one Dave's I don't have (vol. 1)--but, again, thanks for the thought. As for the 'Bro, just Google Facebook donations, looks pretty easy to set a giving tree up. (Though not everyone's on Facebook.) Or someone could volunteer to shell out and coordinate the donations via PM. I don't see the GD site taking the lead on that, though I shouldn't dismiss the notion either. Spring '90 glee notwithstanding, still hoping for a mid-80's Dave's.... Whitey, I'll raise a toast to Rhino release of the Vintage/Historic stuff!, or a complete show release of the Danish Center (whatever its true date is, Feb or 3/12/66), for which various bits have trickled out on So Many Roads, Rare Cuts, and Taper's section. If vault tapes existed for 5-05-67, that would be something. Lastly, I'm happy to see the Fox back in the neighborhood....
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    I'm happy for those that jumped on this box and I enjoy the enthusiasm. I opt'd for the Brandford show and am very happy they made it available as a one off. That show alone will keep me busy for awhile. We are close to the unveiling of DaP 11 and seems we are leaning towards 11/17/72 and I would definitely scoop that up. It's hard to beat anything from 72. If one were to select 2 or 3 shows from the Europe '72 box, pull a date from a hat at random. I'm sure it wouldn't disappoint. I'm curious about the Bickershaw Fest, 5/7/72, Billy's birthday. I predicted this would be one of the best but haven't seen it mentioned by you guys. Perhaps being outdoors the sound is different? Any feedback on this one? 50 years of Dead! Please bring us 1967. It's long overdue. While at the same time, this sunny summer weather has got me in the mood for early eighties. I think DaP 8 was flawless and continues to draw me in. I think a show from 81-85 would do me some good. What do you guys think?
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    Speaking personally, I've been quite heartened by the spontaneous kindness of people helping spacebro get a copy of this set. The second-guessing and laundry list of "more worthy" recipients, not so much. There is always going to be somebody "more worthy" by somebody's lights, but in my opinion it's kind of rotten to throw disapproval on someone else's generous impulse because you'd rather people gave to someone else. If you want to give money to spacebro's box set, great. If you want to give to the food bank, also great. If you want to sit the whole thing out, ditto. We all make our own choices here, and that's as it should be. Speaking as the forum moderator, I mention in passing that giving away illegal copies of the box set involves being generous with what does not belong to you. Obviously I cannot come to your house and keep you from making as many copies of whatever you like as suits your fancy, whatever the legal status, but proclaiming your intention of doing so in the house of the people who are making the music available -- please don't. Thank you. Mod hat off. Back to your regularly scheduled discussion. As to setting up something more formal in the way of a charitable fund, my instinct is that it would be best to have you guys brainstorm it and set it up; I'm pretty sure TPTB would not want to be involved in administering other people's money on something like that even it it were possible (and hey, I am not a lawyer etc.). But if you guys can put it together and make it work (and figure out how to deal with the inevitable conflicts), I think a lot of folks would be into it.
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    AJS - no worries, I know :0 In fact, thanks for sharing that 2012 post, which showed how innocuous Space's post really was. And I should have also mentioned how cool iI thought it was that you started this off in the first place. Deadegad, I'd be all over either a Fall 79 or Europe 81 Box! EDIT - unless it's 8 shows and 240 bucks.
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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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Although I believe he would rather be captain of his own ship, Jorma is the only one to me at least who could do true justice to Jerry
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Dusted of an old tape and took it for a listen for my walk around the the block, and it was really good: 6/20/87 Greek Theatre, Berkeley - Set 2 Aiko Aiko Looks Like Rain Deal > Drumz > Space > Gimme Some Lovin > Watchtower > Wheel > Other One > Wharf Rat > Sugar Mag I believe it is the first Watchtower and the crowd goes nuts! Even the the encore, Saturday Night, was great.
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Fantastic show, particularly set II. It has been an all-time under the radar favorite of mine. I am not sure any other song has had as ferocious a debut as Watchtower did that nite and excluding the one-offs, I think it may be the only song that had its all time best version on its debut (and not because it was poorly played the rest of the years). The Sugar Magnolia is smoking hot as well. The straight-up rock and roll tunes all were served well in 1987, even if the great jammy didn't kick back in until 1989ish. That Mags is up there in my top 10 versions ever, probably in the top 5.
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I know I wouldn't mind a release from '87. I would scoop it up. 6/20/87, I can imagine was fun to attend. Of course Greek Theatre had great sound, outdoor, Bay Area folks. I'm sure you guys had a grate time! Pretty sure my source was aud. and it sounds great. Would this require a Matrix treatment, as I'm sure there was no multitrack. Any stories from this summer tour?
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I can't remember what show it is but Long Beach run November 13-15, 1987 has another under the radar show. I'm pretty sure it's 11-15-87
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It is just over a month until this is released and finally the Spring '90 tour will be completed - I really enjoyed my 1st Spring and can't wait to hear all this music here, there are 2 (extra) concerts here compared to Spring1, which had 6 shows.The set lists here look great - some songs really stand out here in this box and I look forward to hearing them, Cumberland Blues, Crazy Fingers, and Shakedown Street. DRUMZ & SPACE - always favorites - they were so well played on Spring1, that I look way forward to them now. That 50th countdown scares me. I hope its good news for our ears and not just bad to our wallets NEXT YEAR. Megadeth sing that $hit! 'COUNTDOWN TO EXTINCTION' plays.. da-da dant, da-da dant, da-dada-da dant! 'They take a mortal man, and put him in control...', or shareholders same thing.
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The 24-track mastering of this release should be awesome. The band was on fire during these shows and the set lists are outstanding. The show with Branford will be a little icing on the cake for sure but the other shows should not be overlooked. DaP11 is rightfully getting all of the buzz right now, but in one month all you will be hearing about is how great these shows sound. Order yours now or you will be kicking yourself down the road.

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I've gotta say, I can't imagine Hunter singing over the entire Grateful Dead doing justice to his brand of vocal interpretation. That low, rich voice notwithstanding, perhaps its most striking feature is the authority it commands....and that's best experienced over sparse instrumentation. Maybe a well-chosen song or two as a guest appearance, that would be pretty special. Of the Jerry songs I've heard him do, my favorite was Doin That Rag. I could actually hear the lyrics for the first time! The first song I ever saw him do (opening for Phil & Friends) was Box of Rain -- his voice mixed high out of the gate, accentuating his low boom, he just walked out from stage right and immediately began singing "Look out of any window" as he made his way to the center of the stage. Now there's a way to make an entrance.
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The reason for no MIDI in recent incarnations of the band = No Jerry! Jerry was the guy who could show how mind bending MIDI could be. Plenty of great MIDI jams are out there!
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I would like to call for the most minimal collective voice to organize and be able to communicate with Dave and the TPTB. When we call 1-877-DEAD-NET, we are a corporation located in Lancaster, PA called The Jay Group (an "integrated marketing" group). The Jay Group has NOT been outsourced by the Dead, but by yet another company, Delivery Agent. (For those of you who have customer service problems, it should be noted that the Jay Group knows that there is something called the Warehouse, but they don't know where it is, whether it is a production or storage or distribution center, who owns it, etc. Except for an anonymous email channel, there is absolutely no mode of communication that is allowed. No wonder that so many of you have customer service problems. ...I could continue about the dehumanizing at work here--and lengths that have gone to in order to assure that gross profit exceeds human communication....) Delivery Agent's Homepage proudly reads in bold: "Deliver Agent Monetizes Music." I know many of you out there are enthusiasts of the globalized capitalism we are all part of. But I think many of us would like to live in a world less reliant on petroleum-based life, the accelerating of finance for finance, and the destruction of resources. I think less of us would like to live in a world where companies (outsourced by the Dead today) "monetize music." I'm not going to appeal to the Dead's history of making capital secondary. But I do think that it would be an amazing and worthwhile experiment to see if a corporation and its human customers could try to arrange some sort of increased communication. TPTB have absolutely no vested interest in allowing or encouraging an quasi-organized voice to emerge. It could only hurt them, slow down their time, lessen their capital. (But that could be the long term plan that helps their survival.) If you're interested in forming an organized voice, let me know. I would like to email Dave about this, but I don't know his email.
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I just listened to the whole 3/29/90 show (Wake up to find out)... I borrowed an advance copy from my brother.I was at this show... but this is just stellar. I can't recommend it enough. I'm very excited for the box set. They did a GREAT job w/ this.
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While you're answering those questions about our capitalist petroleum based economy answer these How would you feel about the mass starvation (on the scale of billions). The lack of transportation. Oh yeah in case you were wondering the reason billions in Asia are doing exponentially better than just a generation ago is because of...the petroleum based capitalism that you seem to decry. Is the world perfect not by a long shot the 1 area that is a total disaster is Africa and it's not that way because of capitalism but socialism statism command economy whatever you want to call it. No to convert Churchill's words on government to the economy capitalism is the worst form of economic state except for all the others. Thomas Malthus died a long time ago and has been proven consistently wrong
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Other than perhaps hearing of the latest exploits of anyone named Kardashian, I cannot think of anything less interesting to me than participating in picking a "capitalist petroleum based economy" fight with a band and organization that has brought delight to my ears and eyes and mind for 30 years. I am not opining on whether objecting to a "capitalist petroleum based economy" is right or wrong, simply that there are better targets to take that up with than the GD, Dave, Rhino, or whoever one believes to be TPTB. And at the risk of sounding snarky(ier), its hard to believe anyone who cannot find Dave L's email address on this site, mentioned in his videos, or elsewhere online is going to present anything coming close to a cogent point on the vagaries of the "capitalist petroleum based economy." Dick statement? Maybe, but consider that 45 years ago next week Pete Townshend delivered a much harsher (and probably effective) method of making sure a musical platform wasn't co-opted by political opportunists.
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the negativity to my response is surprising. To the first response (snafu): i was not making any of the arguments that you are trying to rebut. my point is that, on every level of our lives (local, consumptive, national, ethical, etc.), we can try to negotiate with a globalized system that has positives and negatives. today, when that system seems to producing major crises that threaten entire populations (even if it also helps other populations), i'm not sure why you feel only celebration. To the second response (djmac): i don't want to start fights. i want more community, more participation on all levels, more knowledge. i'm sorry if i'm not elegant enough for you or if i'm not the most savvy internet user, i didn't mean for my incompetence to be so offensive. but i think it's crucial--and takes minimal effort and is albeit teeny tiny and very 'local' step--toward a more participatory relation between producers and consumers. why is it so bad to want more communication, more participation, more involvement between producer and the consumer? why is there such a nasty, mocking, and condescending attitude towards such a small desire to buy and act ethically??
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A request to Rhino and Dead.net Please consider making Individual Shows from this box set available for download. I bought the first Spring 1990 box and right now I just can't justify buying this whole set. I would love to purchase and hear 1 or 2 of these shows however. I think there is an additional market of people like me who would just like a couple of these shows to hear the new multitrack mix. I applaud you all for making the 3/29 show available as a wider release.
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I'd prefer single show options too. I've only been listening for under a year, and am still getting exposed to all the eras. I've listened to six of the shows on archive (saving 3/29 for the discs) and am listening to the Disco Biscuits GOTV show with Bill and Mickey before I finish the box run. Overall, I'm glad I listened, but I do not think I would listen to all the shows again. If they did a compilation like So Glad You made It, that could work too. The more the merrier. Pat
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My favorite is Just A Little Light from all the tracks featured. I would like to know about digipacks for each show. Will cover art be different ? The first box cover art for each show was fantastic. I'm hoping for something similar, so each show is distinguishable by the cover art. I'm very curious to know how this box set will be packaged or appear on the inside. I know more than half have sold out, so it's about time a trailer is revealed.
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I frequent this site to express my interest in, and appreciation of, the music of the Grateful Dead. The opinions expressed by DJMac and snafu were on target. Please take your politics to another forum. Have a Grateful Day out there.
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I too am in the boat with the people who prefer the single shows option. I've been slowly getting the Europe '72 shows (and LOVING THEM!!!) and trying to keep up with the DP collection. (missed a few...but have 8 of the 11). Then the Winterland stuff came out (and I've got none of it). Then May '77 and Spring '90...Seriously. It's just too much!! I want ALL of it but who can afford it?? I'm gonna need a second and third job to keep up with my addiction! I'll say this - the sound on these discs is fantastic! I've yet to be disappointed. I just need some more cash to keep up. So, yeah, maybe a few single show options? Please? Maybe?
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I would like to see an artist profile posted for the artist for this new box set as was done for those artists who did the previous boxes and Daves picks.
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The politics are already here. It's whether we ignore politics or attempt a responsible living throughout supposedly nonpolitical areas. One can ignore and converted into a consumption machine. or one can try to recreate consumption as a political and participatory activity. But you're desire to exclude, to produce a nice and comfortable barrier between pleasure and politics says enough. I'm more than sad that this is the attitude.
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I get where you are coming from, and I pretty much agree with you on your points, feelings, and desires. And no, I don't think Asian development is as simple as "good". I work in an entirely Asian lab, and I hear regularly about the problems that have come with the very rapid Asian development. And no, Socialism is not to blame for the state of the entire African continent. Africa is a continent, not a country. The factors at play for the instability there are many and complex./ Two very general culprits, especially in the northern half of the continent, are Christianity and Islam. Those two religions and their schism have ripped the northern half to shreds. Add to it global exploitation from the East and West, and you have a very big mess. However, donahue.luke, I do not agree that taking your proposed revolution to DL's doorstep is appropriate or effective. I would argue that global corporate capitalism has created an economic environment where small companies like Rhino (I know they are a part of WEA, but still) have to follow certain rules to survive. For example, my particular weapon of choice when it comes to backpacking and hiking footwear is a small company out of Montana. They state clearly and transparently that yes, their shoes are manufactured in China, but they cannot stay afloat manufacturing in the US as they would like to. So, while having to compromise, they use the opportunity in overseas manufacturing to have a positive influence in the countries where they manufacture their products. I believe Rhino is no different, and I also believe Doc Rhino, Mary E., and even DL probably empathize and even share our frustration at the lack of communication in the supply chain. So yes, the ultimate choice to avoid participating in this entire system would be to boycott consuming from the dead.net store, Rhino, WEA, etc. Another option would be actual political activism in that venue, and even discussion. I too believe we shield ourselves from valuable discussion regarding politics and religion, and it is to the detriment of our society that the only time we feel free to discuss is to argue talking points back and forth, mainly on internet forums. Which brings me to this point, popping up rather randomly with this discussion is pretty out of place, and to organize with the intent to confront DL is rather misdirected. Also, going off on a what is perceived as a tangent just falls on deaf ears. forcing the conversation will not change that. As Dr. King regularly discussed, social acceptability is a powerful tool in activism, and going against the grain brazenly can do more harm than good. I appreciate you thoughts and passion, but perhaps you take some time to refine your plans for activism and consider maximum effectiveness and accuracy.
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You actually did make the points you claim not to.My statements were not the time honored music should be free (Monetize Music?) Even Jerry enjoyed the good life that his art enabled him to participate in. How do you think he got to Hawaii. They were facts based on 240 years of economic science (Adam Smith anyone)
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The economic illiteracy here is incredible. I have no doubt the Asians who were already rich enough to make it here would have issues with those who are now making it (for some perspective delve into Thailand's issues over the past 15 years). For 15 years I have been traveling S.E. Asia the vast majority of people in Thailand,Vietnam and Cambodia are doing far better and there's some real hope for Laos & even Burma. As for the religious bigotry no need to respond. You are technically right about Socialism that's why I added Statism or Command Economy they are all the same thing. An unfortunate fact though not PC is before decolonization Africa was able to feed itself. After the 1 man 1 vote 1 time socialist revolutions starvation reigned. The previous statement is not pro imperialism it simply decries the fact that at the time Socialism was viewed as a panacea
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Thank you for comments, Matchewy. They were helpful. My only main disagreement to you is that i'm falling on deaf ears. although that's probably more than possible, so it's not even a disagreement. but i'd rather than not, it's a minimal effort. and besides, the effort is put in because i love this place for all my problems and critiques. dead.net is one of the only nongrocery and nonhardware or non-locally-sourced stores that i buy from (i live in ithaca, though, so local and progressive economies are doing between than most other places). what about this. i or we or whoever is interested says to dave: "hey, dave we would like to participate. not to unionize or ask for benefits or make demands, but to know what happening, to be able to have a voice that is at least heard if not listened to. many of us even know people trained specifically in helping companies lower carbon footprints, increase labor benefits, finding cleaner companies from which and to which they outsource on the production and distribution sides PRECISELY WHILE SURVIVING AND GROWING. we would make suggestions, but that's it (i mean, it's not like we're in a position to have any sort of power). perhaps a person or small group representing itself (or others if others are interested) would be able to learn more about the whole economic system you're specifically dealing with. and perhaps we could informed of company changes and maybe sit in on board meetings." the idea, then, would not be revolutionary or hostile to the confines of global capital, but to try to at least participate in it, encourage itself to proceed as ethical and economically and politically as possible, even if one teeny step at a time. this type of participation in fact would be revolutionary, even if a very small step: imagine a subsidiary company creating a genuine politico-economic line of communication with its customers. that would be UNHEARD OF! and it's possible.
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Take your political discussion to another board please.....This should be about the music. Thanks
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There is no one-size-fits-all best, of course. I'm glad someone thinks this will be it. I don't. For me that is definitely the E72 box. It's the biggest AND bestest.
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Thanks for the link Spacebrother,...listened last night and my suspicions were confirmed, great sound. Don't know how people can pass this puppy up.
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Anyone know what up with Bob Weir? Just got an email that all dates for Ratdog through January are cancelled due to unforseen circumstances. Hoping he is ok.
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I have listened to several of the tracks from this set and the mix is INCREDIBLE. I can't wait to hear the whole thing but the sixteen song snidbit on Beats is so sick. The sound is off the hook. Great job. Can't wait to hear it all....
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Your post titled "Matchewy and Participation" is perhaps the most amusing little parody piece I've read in a long time. The broken English, the rambling disconnected thoughts, "lower carbon footprint...increase labor benefits..sit in on board meetings." LOL! It gets funnier each time I read it! Bravo!
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donahueluke, I'll decline to say weather I agree/disagree with you. Please, just spare us all. There plenty of other forums to spew and debate political opinions. Please, pretty please, do it on one of those. Now back to talking about music. I ordered this on day one and can't wait for it to arrive. BTW, Dave's 11 has been blowing my mind daily. I can't get enough of that one!
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All Ratdog performances are cancelled thru 2015. Refunds available where tickets were purchased. This does not sound good. Something is up and we will be the last to know, Bobby is very tight lipped about his personal life and I don't blame him for that. Wow, please Bobby, be well.
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I hate to chime in with negative vibes, but donahue.luke, you are on the wrong bus. This is a music site man, not Politico. We all have many views of International politics, national politics etc. But I know no one on the Grateful Dead site cares what I think. And I really could care less what they think. I'm sure you could find much more spirited debate elsewhere. To many good things coming our way in Deadhead land. Spring 90 Vol.2, DP 12, 30 Days of Dead, then 2015 50th Aniv. Seems everyone is digging DP11 right now. Peace
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Anyone know how the CDs will be packaged in the box? I hope NOT in cardboard sleeves (like the Warlocks set) or cardboard wallets (like the Road Trips series) which I find all scratch the CDs. The "digipak" with the clear CD holder works very well for me.
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...I care what you think. :) In some regard, I agree with you and the overriding sentiment expressed so far that this may not be the most appropriate forum for donahue.luke's plea for collective. By the same token, he quite ought to be free to post his well meaning concerns just as you and I are free to skip over whichever posts we choose to. Truth be told, most people would be inclined to click right on past his type of post, especially in this thread. In my humble opinion, he is likely better off posting his message in a more relevant forum and related thread. The community and the gestalt of the site would benefit, it serves to make Dead.net that much more vibrant! Just click, click, click on over to the appropriate forums. I'm sure there is at least one. Who knows, it might be more effective too! Here, I agree with you Phil it just makes no sense. Humph...maybe no one cares what I think... Well there ain't nobody safer than someone who doesn't care And it isn't even lonely when no-one's ever there I had a lot of dreams once, but some of them came true The honey's sometimes bitter when fortune falls on you So you know I've been a soldier in the armies of the night And I'll find the fatal error in what's otherwise all right But now you're trembling like a sparrow, I will try with all my might To give you just a little sweetness Just a little light
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We have a FB group called Grateful Dead Society. If any of you heads are on FB please come join us. Everyone is friendly and we have some great conversations. We can post photos, music, videos etc. Many have helped others out with holes in their collections. Please come join us. Peace
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This is the exactly same box as the first Spring 90 box. The first spring 90 box had space in it to fit two more shows so I would think that the cd packaging will be the same in Spring 90 TOO box.
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GET WELL! Bob. I don't know any more than any one else about the cancellation announcement. I believe it is no one's business except Bob's and his family, fellow musicians and business parties affected by the cancellations. I think it is a big step because of contractual problems which will now arise so the decision could not have been made lightly to state the obvious. I hope Bob gets whatever help or treatment, rest, etc that he may need. I know Deadheads will support him in this.
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Get your rest...hope to see you soon. I love your playing from 11/17/72, especially your wah-wah rhythms on the truckin jam. Really anxious to hear these shows and your playing in this box.
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I haven't seen any of the band post-GD and am still kicking myself for missing Mickey Hart last winter at HOB, and wasn't going to the Ravina show, even though its closer to my home than Chicago, but still want to wish Mr. Weir and his family my regards. Really liked that listening party on Relix, thx 4 that Spacebrother, it sure sounds sweet, I was getting greedy wanting that whole darkstar from 3/29 but that will get me over until this is released. to keep on the greedy groove, I wonder what will be the next RUN of shows to be released; May '77 Box 2, WITH Betty Boards 8May Barton Hall included, yeah people here say why release something we can get 4 free, but I would hope some POLISH would be given due to the fact its a release. Suggestions welcome please, I love to hear from you! Thanks, Jerome.
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Lookin forward to this release. (I'm quickly running out of room on the shelf!)
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Maybe Ratdog is cancelled because it will be 50 year tour 2015 for Grateful Dead.
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