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    What's Inside:
    •144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
    •A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
    • Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
    •8 complete shows on 23 discs
          •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
          •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
          •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
          •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
          •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
          •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
          •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
          •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
    Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
    Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
    Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
    Original Art by Jessica Dessner
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

    Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

    "If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

    Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

    With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

    For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

    Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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    It also occurred to me that a large number of folks who buy into the whole Hi Res thing are also major vinyl folks. It so happens I AM one of those vinyl lovers. I love the way they sound. The difference is I'm also one of the people who has looked into WHY. Most people seem to think that since it's an analog playback medium, it's more similar to Hi Res than, say, CD. Actually, it's the opposite. An ENORMOUS amount of compression is required to get that music onto vinyl. The dynamic range is roughly equivalent to an 11-bit digital recording. It turns out that what makes vinyl sound unique (and is pretty much irreproducible digitally) and "warm" is the combination of subtle distortion that is inevitable on a medium which requires physical contact with that medium to reproduce the sound. So, there's distortion from the needle, distortion from the pressure of the needle against the grooves, and lots of other subtle distortions. That distortion creates a very slightly "fuzzy" effect which sounds "warm". It's not dissimilar to the difference between a picture that's ultra sharp versus one where the edges are allowed to be ever so slightly less sharply in focus. The latter feels "warmer". That, coupled with the compressed dynamic range, creates that unique vinyl sound. What's ironic, is that many of the same people who love vinyl are buying into the HiRes thing.
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    @OneMan -You're right, ALL the science supports that people can't hear the difference. Higher res digital is important during the mastering phases, manipulation of the audio, etc. For playback purposes there is no benefit. I've pretty much given up trying to convince people, though. When CDs were new most people bought all their music over again. Now that a large part of the market already has most of their collection on CD (which technically speaking is capable of reproducing music to the point that no one can distinguish it from higher bit higher sampled files, the industry is faced with a dilemma. A large part of the public doesn't even BUY music anymore (spotify, pandora, etc.), so WHAT will they do to get buyers to purchase all that music over again with. Enter HD which has been around for decades, but now they see the market potential of convincing people these files sound superior to the human ear. And it's not just the medium. Think of all the hardware they can sell. The vast majority of HD file purchasers have never bothered to read the science, or the double blind studies where no one (including audiophiles) has ever been able to tell the difference between the HD files and CD quality files in a controlled environment (like where they don't know ahead of time which they are listening to.) I've also found that most people believe, since SACD and DVD-A sound so great, that it's because of the HD factor, without realizing that it's everything ELSE about those discs (superior mastering and mixing, using more than two playback tracks, etc) that make those sound superior. So, in the end, let them waste their money. It doesn't affect the rest of us, and "you ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know." Caveat: if the higher res files were the SAME PRICE as 16/44.1 files that would be fine. There's nothing WRONG with Hi res files. They're just not superior to the human ear. Actually, on high end playback equipment, the ultrasonic (inaudible) frequencies can cause distortion in the AUDIBLE frequencies making the playback audio slightly INFERIOR. But, in general, there's nothing wrong. It's just that you're throwing your money down the toilet paying MORE for them. Plus, it bothers me that people are being sold a bill of goods without realizing it. On the plus side, with the financial problems the whole music industry faces, SOMEBODY has to help with major cash infusions. So....... :)
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    If you own the CDs, just rip them to lossless and enjoy the 16/44.1 files. I doubt you will get any benefit from higher res files. In fact, they may sound worse. I understand this may be a controversial opinion. But the science supports it.
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    I think my favorite dead moment post Brent is the Foolish Heart jam that ended the first set of 12-28-1990. Brings tears...
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    Well MSG 90 is the apex of post-Brent. There is also a ton of great stuff in 1991, with Bruce obviously. 3-21, Greensboro both shows, Deer Creek both shows, RFK, Giants night 2, both Shoreline runs, Boston Garden run. 1992 is spotty as hell, there are some moments in the spring. Hampton, Copps and Detroit. 1993, Albany night one is a secret gem, Giants night one set II as well, Deer Creek run, here and there from the fall MSG and Boston shows. 10-5 Philly. 10-4-94 Scarlet>Fire needs to show up somewhere, although Seamons has a tremendous matrix out there that I can live with. You want to hear that S>F.
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    Took this one off the shelf to listen-12/16/92 Oakland show. Great post-Brent show with Vince and without Hornsby. I sort of forgot about this one-listening in the car while traveling and had to crank it up and smile,smile,smile. To those of you who listen and explore Archive-what are your suggestions for a post Brent era box or pick? I know I am an advocate for 10/1/94 Boston but what are your picks from this generally neglected era.
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    I bought both boxes from dead.net and could not agree more...
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    I too have both Spring 90 boxes, but I really want the 24/192 files. It just makes me sick to have to pay another 350 dollars for them.
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    HD FLAC in 192kHz/24bit
    I have purchased the latest box sets from Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd and included with purchase are unique codes to download content in HD FLAC Available in 192kHz/24bit.How about doing the same for those of us who have been purchasing all of the these sets so faithfully? Anybody else have any thoughts on this subject?
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    Yeah, I've been playing that RT from the beginning, I'm up to the Let It Grow, and so far it SMOKES. It's not about sound quality, although the SQ is more than adequate. I don't know how anyone can listen to this and wonder why it was released. The performances are the equal or higher than many if the spring 90 performances. Not having Brent is a loss. But, these performances as PASSIONATE FLESH AND BLOOD MUSIC MAKING is TOP TIER GD. Awesome mind blowing goodness.
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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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Submitted by cassidy111 on Mon, 09/08/2014 - 22:19

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I can't wait to hold this in my hand. Keep them coming, i am in! First box set is through the roof, sooooo well done, sound is amazing, keep the good times rollin. Jerry thank's you, i thank you. A great time to be alive.
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Submitted by sykes on Mon, 09/08/2014 - 22:38

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My copy arrived Downunder this afternoon (Tuesday) so glad I didn't pay extra for the express delivery. Another beautiful box, now for the music.
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Submitted by ozdh on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 00:02

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My big box arrived yesterday in sunny South Australia and in every which way, the total package and contents are just absolutely perfect!
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Submitted by Younger_than_Y… on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 02:01

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Thank you Dead.net A very beautiful box and I can not wait to start listening. While waiting for this I have been doing the rounds of 72-73 but this tour is my favourite. Only complaint is that the music is 'too perfect' hahaha. From Camden to Rydalmere I will be rocking these shows to and from work. Think I will start tonight though by putting 3/14 on my ipod. Thank you to all those who worked on this box set. Great job!
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Submitted by matchewy on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 02:51

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Love Ryan Adams, and looking forward to the new album. I will try to get to my local shop today to pick up the wax.
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Submitted by evgraham on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 06:34

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Does anyone know where I could find digital/.jpg versions of the "album art" for each of the individual shows in the Spring 1990 TOO box? Thanks for any help!
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Submitted by clmartin on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 08:11

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My box just now arrived at my doorstep in Tennessee. A day earlier than I expected! Box number 5,837 of 9,000.
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Submitted by lebowski99 on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 09:43

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Saw Ryan last night in DC for his record release show. He was in great spirits and the band sounded really tight. New stuff was pretty strong, if a bit poppy. Surprised, but I don't think he played anything pre Cold Roses/Jacksonville Nights. No covers, though people did holler out for Wharf Rat and Bird Song. Good time all around.
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Submitted by EdTheHead on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 09:45

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Yes I think wjonjd is right. Reading about the mixup "I know the packaging and shipping of these is probably outsourced..". I admit I buy a few CDs a month. Many come from ImportCDs. Same packaging, labeling, and return address in Shepherdsville KY as dead.net. Still waiting on a shipping notice for my TOO box.
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Submitted by mayormarionbarry on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 10:49

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I PAID 160.00 FOR THE DOWNLOADS AND THERE IS NOTHING TO DOWNLOAD. JUST EMPTY LINKS. EVENTUALLY IT TELLS YOU THAT YOU'VE EXCEEDED THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DOWNLOADS. CUSTOMER SERVICE DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE. THEY TOLD ME IT TAKES 7-10 DAYS FOR THE DOWNLOADS TO ARRIVE.
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Submitted by hbob1995 on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 11:16

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Rhino moved over 1,000 units this week. That means they will all be gone in about a week from now, so please, all of you true Heads, get them now while they are still available. I don't want to see anyone miss out and I certainly do not want this site filled for weeks with folks complaining that they didn't get it and that Rhino screwed them by limiting the amount sold. Anyone who wants this (and who wouldn't?) has had plenty time to get on board. You procrastinators out there, now is the time to pull the trigger or forever be quiet. I am counting the hours until mine hits CT. this Friday.Rock on
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Submitted by bliss on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 11:35

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I'm shocked that this has arrived in Canada for the release date. I'm pretty rural and don't think i've ever received an official release within 3 weeks of launch. The box is beautiful looking - can't wait to get into it. Problem is, I'm still digesting DaP 11 which only just (finally) arrived a few days ago. $23.53 duty for you other canucks out there ...
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Submitted by Coconut Phil on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 12:09

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My copy arrived today, very happy with it. Really nice box, solid sound quality. The coin is really a nice touch. If you are still on the fence, better get it now while you can. I'm sure the second they sale out they will be on Ebay for 40% more. Great release, now please tell us about DP12. Jam on! Peace
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Submitted by jmalcorn on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 12:17

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I got it! Rushed home at lunch to dig in to it (and a great ham and swiss sandwich). Anyone know how they decide who gets which box? I pre-ordered it on the first day, and I got 8447! Sound is incredible. Definitely thinking about framing the faux stubs and backstage passes - add a little Spring 90 to my music poster wall.
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Submitted by jmalcorn on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 12:17

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I got it! Rushed home at lunch to dig in to it (and a great ham and swiss sandwich). Anyone know how they decide who gets which box? I pre-ordered it on the first day, and I got 8447! Sound is incredible. Definitely thinking about framing the faux stubs and backstage passes - add a little Spring 90 to my music poster wall.
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Submitted by hseamons on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 12:28

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AAC is a lossy format, comparable to high quality mp3. ALAC (Apple Lossless) is…lossless. It says AAC above, but I have read these should be Apple Lossless files. Just wanted to clarify for any confusion that might be here. Carry on….CARRY ON...
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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 12:56

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The sound is amazing! Gonna be a long, long, crazy, crazy night Silky, silky, crazy, crazy night.
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Submitted by darkstartheoth… on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 13:08

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So where's the number at as I can't find it on mine?
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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 13:17

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It's on the coin under the lid.
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Submitted by darkstartheoth… on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 13:20

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Thanks fourwinds!
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Submitted by CORAZZA on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 18:17

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I'd like to buy this spectacular box. I'd like to touch and smell all the things inside this box and of course listen these HDCDs, but I live in a country named Brazil. Some people in Europe don't like to pay U$50 -U$100 in import taxes and fees. It would be a dream to me pay this. Do you believe that in my country I would pay over U$240,00 only in import taxes + fees? I'm not kidding! 100%! It's our goverment....The highest taxes and no hospitals, no schools... ok some new and beatiful soccer stadiums. Does anyone know a place on earth where the import taxes and fees are so high? I have U$ 240,00 but I don't have U$ 520,00 ( 240 - box + 40 - shipping to Brazil + 240 or more from import taxes and fees). Hey you from USA, buy it! Think in my case. The price is not so high. I need to move to USA, Europe or maybe the sunny Australia. It's sad to be a Dead head in Brazil...
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Submitted by hamilton002 on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 13:57

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I don't know how to get a suggestion to David, so I'm going to post it here and hope that someone relevant sees it. Regarding the downloads.... since most people probably don't burn their lossless downloads to CD, is it possible to have the second sets made seamless for the downloads? I understand the fade-ins and fade-outs at the end of the discs, but if the files aren't being burned to disc it would be nice to have Drums>Space seamless, instead of "Drums>Space fade-out" followed by "Drums fade-in>Space". Just a thought! Aside from that... keep doing that awesome thing that you do!
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Submitted by Jackstrawdavect on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 14:54

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If I'm not mistaken I read they would not be ready until the end of the month...?
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Submitted by Jackstrawdavect on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 14:56

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I just read my mistake.
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Submitted by hamilton002 on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 15:02

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No, you're right. I'm just asking if, when they appear, they can be in that format (if they aren't already).
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Submitted by Jackstrawdavect on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 15:20

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I am sure you will get it , even if there is a hiccup right now. I'm one of those (have to have it just in case people) I bought the box but it will be transferred to my pc and burnt for the car or whatever. I just don't have the pc power to trust myself not losing it. I hope you get it the way you want. I know customer service must be inundated with problems right now. But they are good people.
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Submitted by marye on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 15:33

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1. We believe the technical issues with the downloads are now fixed. Please speak up if you experience an alternative reality. 2. Apple Lossless, CD quality audio are available now. The HD FLAC files will be along soon. 3. Cover art is now available on the download page. Sorry for the issues, but hope all is good now. Thanks and happy downloading!
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Submitted by jpreston on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 18:00

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does anyone know if spring vol one downloads are going to be the 24 track or 2 track
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Submitted by swiftundertoe on Tue, 09/09/2014 - 22:27

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Oh no!I told myself (and my wife) that I didn't need this box especially after I saw the price... then I heard some of the music and saw the spoiler video... Can I let it go? It's going to be a tough decision. Don't have much 1990 in the collection... But it sounds so good!
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Submitted by jrf68@hotmail.com on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 01:59

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Jump on it man! Less than 1500 as of yesterday. Better to grab it while ya can than regret it down the road...
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Submitted by wjonjd on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 05:14

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Just a note about the lossless downloads. Since the ALAC files are lossless, this means they can be easily converted to wav and flac (and back again) with zero change in sound quality. So you can create your own flacs from alac. Now, since the flacs are listed as "HD FLAC" I,m going to assume that they will probably be 24bit 96khz files as opposed to 16bit 44.1khz (cd quality) or at least something over what they are encoding for the alac files. However, (and what I'm about to discuss frequently upsets audiophiles), I urge you to google studies concerning people's ability to distinguish 24bit 96khz from 16bit 44.1khz recordings. There have been several from top universities, and their results and methodology have been extensively scrutinized. These are all scientifically designed studies, some using surprisingly large sample sizes. Most of these studies are fairly similar to each other. Double blind - no one participating in each listening session knows at the time which recordings are hd (24) or sd (16). They used multiple audio systems ranging from top end systems and speakers designed by audiophiles, down to basic systems. They used professional headphones down to basic equipment. They chose many different types of music. They checked to make sure that hd recordings were from the same source/mix as the sd recordings. That is frequently not the case, by the way, and is one reason many people are sure they can tell the difference. They usually chose large numbers of participants who self identify as audiophiles or not, musicians or not, a large range of ages, backgrounds, etc. The results of all studies recognized as scientific (that I am aware of) have been basically the same. The rate at which each user can correctly pick which recordings are sd or hd is about 50%. A coin toss. Audiophiles fared no better than others, with highest percentages being around 52%, and some studies then when back to people like that and found that the more music samples they tried the closer the success rate approaches 50%. Some of the write ups go into great detail into methodology of the studies, and if you read them you will begin to see how hard it is to try to duplicate doing tests like this at home (although it can be done). Some of the things that can bias results are NOT obvious. Many will always disagree, but so far as I know NO study has found ANYONE, who can, under their controlled environment, distinguish 16 bit recordings from 24 bit recordings from the same source at anything significantly over 50% (same as guessing). Btw, this doesn't mean things like SACD don't sound better than their cd counterparts. But they use more playback tracks than stereo (like 5.1), are almost always special mixes, etc. it's not apples to apples, and these studies indicate the great improvement is not due to just the difference between 24 bit and 16 bit or 96khz and 44.1khz. Just something to think about before you spend extra for hd when the source is identical.
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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 06:12

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If they would have had them listen to 24/96 flies on a good system for a period of say a week or so and then switched back to 16/44 files then I think they would have heard a difference.
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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 06:15

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Now what we need is Fillmore West '69 and Europe '72 available in HD FLAC.
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Submitted by brianhahne on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 06:39

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THIS is the box set. I have everything the band has ever put out...This outdoes the original 1990 box set for sound and it out does it for quality of the box set. I LOVE THE TIGER COIN IN THE COVER! OMG! It nearly brought tears to my eyes.... Jerry would have loved this. He really would have. Listening to disc 1, song 1 as I type... *sigh* can't wait til I get to the shows I was at. This is so nice. THANK YOU DAVE LEMIEUX.
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Submitted by Dancingbear.dk on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 07:05

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#711 has arrived in Denmark. Really cool number, just like #710 would have been. Anybody here got that?This box is a work of art, and I've not even started listening yet. Thank you, David & Rhino!
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Submitted by Bearbait on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 07:35

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Since Spring 1990 (The Other One) is now available digitally, why not do what you did for the Europe '72 box set and offer the shows individually as well? Not every Head has that sort of spare change lying around, and it would be nice to have the opportunity to hear more of this truly great era. Anyway, I went out and picked up Wake Up To Find Out as a consolation prize (but what a prize!), and am not interested in paying for a show I already own. Anyone else out there think this is a good idea?
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Submitted by simonrob on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 08:56

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As stated in the digital download FAQs, FLAC files cannot be played in Windows Media Player. However, there is a plug-in which makes this possible, namely "Directshow Filters for Ogg Vorbis, Speex, Theora, FLAC, and WebM" from Xiph.org. The file (opencodecs_0.85.17777.exe) can be found here: http://www.xiph.org/dshow/
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Submitted by wjonjd on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 10:35

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@fourwindsblow - That may be. And it may not. Before sticking to your opinion on this go ahead and look up the studies that have been done on this, read them thoroughly, and see if you change your mind. Because in order for what you say to be true all of the studies would have to be flawed in just such a way to create the 50% success rate they all get. See what you think after you read them. Or don't. It's not my money. And, even if someone can't hear a difference, if they think they can and they're happier, that's fine too. You say things like "on a good system." Have you looked at what they used. Most of them didn't just use a "good system". The very purposely used severly "excellent systems" AND several "very good" systems AND several "basic" systems, etc. That's the whole point behind a truly scientific study. Address all known variables that might bias results. Not just the "sound system", but the people (audiophile, musician, other), ages (teenagers with young years, twenties, thirties, etc.), listening environment, kinds of music, and even factors that wouldn't necessarily seem relevent like educational background. They make as sure as possible that something as simple as "as is the system good enough" doesn't affect the ability of the study to be able to answer the question they are studying - can people hear the difference between A and B. Anyway, as long as people are happy it doesn't really matter.
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Submitted by jbarr on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 10:45

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wow its so nice. time 2 lock myself in my house and ignore the world 4 a few days
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Submitted by jbarr on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 10:46

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wow its so nice. time 2 lock myself in my house and ignore the world 4 a few days
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Submitted by Anatexis22 on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 11:12

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For what it's worth, whether you believe in the superior quality of high-definition recordings or not, HD-Tracks is advertising digital downloads of Wake Up to Find Out: Nassau Colisuem: Uniondale, NY 3-29-1990 at both 96/24 ($40.98) and 192/24 ($53.98) sampling rates. Presumably, it's available now for download. http://www.hdtracks.com/wake-up-to-find-out-nassau-coliseum-uniondale-n… It will be interesting to see if the rest of the set is listed at these higher rates.
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Submitted by boblopes on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 11:24

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I'm curious if this experiment were performed with a recording of a piece of music the listener was very familiar with. Could they pick up any nuances between the 16 bit and 24 bit versions? I have not read the study, so I don't know that info. But if one listens to a piece of music that person may not intimately know, I think the brain will be absorbing the composition as a whole, so it might not pick up the nuances between 16 bit and 24 bit.
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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 11:55

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What I was saying was have them listen to 24/96 files for a little while before doing the A/B tests.
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Submitted by boblopes on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 12:23

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I'm in agreement. I was just curious if I could tell the difference with some of my "reference CDs": Darkside of the Moon, Aja, Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, Revolver, DP3, DaP5, Orig LedZep Box, Babylon by Bus on really good audio gear. With that said, as I wait patiently for S90TOO (Friday delivery), I've autoripped the amazon mp3 of Wake Up set that I bought for my buddy's birthday in a couple of weeks and it sounds awesome on the office stereo - can't wait to crank it up from the boxset in HDCD on the big boy stereo! Since I only have a better than average stereo (far from an audiophile rig found on audiogon), I don't think I could tell a difference.
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Submitted by wjonjd on Wed, 09/10/2014 - 12:47

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I'm pretty sure that Dark Side of the Moon is one of the ones that had a complete remix/remaster than the CD. Here is a link that shows and describes the differences in the mastering of the CD and the SACD of DSM. When you are done reading it you will see than anybody would probably be able to tell the differenced between them, even if they had both been put out in 16/44.1 http://www.stereophile.com/news/11649/ You really need to read the studies to begin to realize how much went into trying to find out whether the human ear can detect those differences. The people looking had no agenda other than trying to answer the question. It can't be too much of a coincidence that all the academic studies come up with the same results.
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