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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

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July 21, 2014 - 3:41pm

#981

SPACEBROTHER

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Geesh

I post a comment and it's totally taken the wrong way. reijo29 - I didn't state that anybody had to like every show from the S'90 box, or even one show. Comtemptuous nonsense? I respect your opinion cosmic badger but you totally missed my point and are now hurling an insult my direction. Bottom line, I don't understand the whole era specific animosity here. The Dead were great in the 60s, '70s, 80s and '90s. They are still great at doing their own thing even this far after the fact. There are those of us who like every era of the Dead. Some people have expressed that they only want to see certain eras released. Some people here treat those of us who like the later years like we're chumps. If the same people are going to continue to rewrite and reinterpret my commentary as a means to put me down for standing up for myself, or others in my similar situation, it says a lot more about you than anything else. Kjohnduff1 gets it! Right on! Sincerely, Dead.net's lightning rod and punching bag.
July 21, 2014 - 3:20pm

#982

SPACEBROTHER

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Subjective

In addition to the definition you posted, I tend to use the word "subjective" as it pertains to... 2. of, relating to, or emanating from a person's emotions, prejudices If you were at an art museum looking at a painting and it evokes an emotional response that pleases you personally, but the guy next to you absolutely hates it, is one person more right than the other person? Is that emotional response "subjective"? There is an entire discussion that could be had in regards to subjectivity versus objectivity. I'll leave that debate to the philosophy majors here. All I know (besides, "is something like a bird within her sang"), is that some people here trash and diminish shows and eras in which I adore, regardless of the audio quality of the recordings themselves and the precision/inspiration of the performances contained. I'll set up a hypothetical situation here - lets say that somebody states that they hate the song "Terrapin Station" (I don't know of anybody who would in their right mind), does that make them right in their assertion, wrong, or is it just personal taste and opinion? To go a step further, if you have tapes from shows that from an audiophile perspective may be ranked no better than a B+, but the performances are stellar, does than diminish the level in which a person can or should be able to enjoy listening to them? I mention and ask this because to my ears, I would rank DaP6 and 10 in this category. Not the best sounding tapes or Picks, but great performances none-the-less. Speaking for myself, and as a person who finds value in every single era of the Dead, even with my preferences being the Brent era, would I be in the wrong for stating that a B+ quality tape of a very average-ish to below average show from a peak year is of more value than an A+ quality tape of a top 20 of all time show from an unrepresented less popular year? I would answer that as a yes, I would be in the wrong. It's all good and I feel it should all be represented, regardless. The reality is that not every show in the vault will be released. At least not in a physical form. Perhaps someday tptb will fulPhil the "Terrapin Limited" "Terrapin Station" promise from years ago where anybody can download any show from any era they desire. If they were to do that, I would first stock up on all of the '84 through '91 shows and can get a hold of then work my way backwards and forwards from there, within my budgetary means. Anyways, enough rambling from me for now. I had spent a significant amount of time giving a play by play preview of the new S'90(TOO) box shows I'm most familiar with in a post and accidently deleted it without posting it. To sum up that lost post, none of these shows from the S'90 boxes should be limited edition. Every single one of them are mandatory listening and the utmost highest standard setters. Every bit as important as the FW and E'72 boxes. Everything else is icing on the cake.
July 21, 2014 - 3:18pm

#983

Zuckfun

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I'll be...

Wrapped around your finger! I always thought this was a song from the perspective of a band-aid. Was kind of hoping for a follow-up song about triple antibiotic ointment- "I'll be...disinfecting your finger!"
July 21, 2014 - 3:06pm

#984

dantian

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Kjohnduff1

I think he elicits a lot of illicit responses, but it's possible that he is soliciting them too.
July 21, 2014 - 2:50pm

#985

Kjohnduff1

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Space Brother...

I think he was just trying to make a very passionate point about music he loves.I'm sure he meant no disrespect to anyone... He sure does ilicit a lot of response!
July 21, 2014 - 2:39pm

#986

reijo29

Joined:
June 18, 2012

Clarification

"Musical/Artistic taste is subjective in nature". Basic meaning: We like what we like, which is most definitely true. But I think Spacebro you meant if we don't like every show included in the Spring 90 Too box set then we have no taste. That makes you a Music Snob cause you are saying I love this & if you don't, you need to stop listening to music altogether. People "get" what they are listening to when they hear late 80's or early 90's Dead, it's not exactly like listening to Ornette Coleman's Free Jazz. A lot of that I don't get & as much as I tried I did not like it. Look I am guilty as well. My family calls me a music snob, cause I dismissively put down certain songs or groups. Case in point years ago I called the Police song wrapped around your finger "horrible elevator music" & my Mom freaked out on me. I still hate that song but if others like it I have come to realize that they are entitled to. No point in me sucking the joy out of it for them.
July 21, 2014 - 2:30pm

#987

cosmicbadger

Joined:
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Disappointed

'If people are passing on this because they don't like the era....they obviously don't have an ear and/or an open mind for greatness' A lot of people who don't always agree with you have been really understanding about your passionate outbursts and many were pleased at your recent good fortune. And then you have to come out with this comtemptuous nonsense. Sometimes you seem so rational and switched on Mr SB, and then every now and then you seem to lose it. Are you OK?
July 21, 2014 - 2:25pm

#988

bolo24

Joined:
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Clues part II

From an exchange with Star Dark on June 22: Star Dark: Which was inadvertent, Bolo? "He's Gone" or "Might as Well?" Are you teasing us again? Me: It's either "Might As Well" or the other one. >> The Other One ============================================ From June 23 Pralines, coffee and tea Summertime done Come and gone my Oh my! - summertime done come and gone >> a fall show - I put "Oh My!" on it's own line to make it stand out. Probably the most famous use in history is from the "Wizard of Oz" - lions, tigers and bears - oh my! Which has the same cadence as "pralines, coffee and tea," which is what most of the discussion around here involved on that day. Yeah, weird, I know. ==================================== From June 24 Stir this into the mix: 28% of the songs have something in common. - you stir with a straw >> Jack Straw (from Wichita) - I addressed the whole 28%/future hall of fame player earlier: Craig Biggio, one of the Astros' Killer B's wore uniform #7. Should get in the Hall next year. 7 of the 25 songs start with the letter "B" (28%) ===================================== Different avatars: Jester represented the GD songbook on which it was featured, published in November of 1972. The jester I chose was from the GD playing cards, the joker, in response to those who surmised that I might just be messing with everyone. The "volume 11" avatar showed a smidgen of clouds above. Tornado clouds. =========================================== I think that's about it. Enjoy all the good music hitting our mailboxes in the next couple months!
July 21, 2014 - 2:06pm

#989

Mr. Jack Straw

Joined:
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Subjective

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. sub·jec·tive səbˈjektiv/ adjective 1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
July 21, 2014 - 1:34pm

#990

philledawg

Joined:
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re: Terrapin Limited Backorder status

When I ordered TOO and a few T's, I added a copy of Terrapin Limited for a good friend. I could only order one copy, all I wanted/needed. Alas, I did check the TL countdown status for grins. It read Not available or something like that right after I placed my order! Anyway it's not, but... And, the receipt did say the status of TL was BACKORDERED and featured a picture of one of the T shirts, not the TL mini box so..... LOL Go figya. *Spacebbro, ...happy for you, in regard to TOO. Heck, me too! They did print, at least, 50,000 copies of Terrapin Limited and it's taken a while. No excuses there. Thinking DP 11 will be '80's -90's? Dave has a pattern. ;)

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What's Inside:
•144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson
•A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner
• Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
      •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
      •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
      •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
      •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
      •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
      •3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
      •4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
      •4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
Recorded by long-time Grateful Dead audio engineer John Cutler
Mixed from the master 24-track analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios
Mastered to HDCD specs by David Glasser
Original Art by Jessica Dessner
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 9,000

Announcing Spring 1990 (The Other One)

"If every concert tells a tale, then every tour writes an epic. Spring 1990 felt that way: an epic with more than its share of genius and drama, brilliance and tension. And that is why the rest of the music of that tour deserves this release, why the rest of those stories need to be heard." - Nicholas G. Meriwether

Some consider Spring 1990 the last great Grateful Dead tour. That it may be. In spite of outside difficulties and downsides, nothing could deter the Grateful Dead from crafting lightness from darkness. They were overwhelmingly triumphant in doing what they came to do, what they did best — forging powerful explorations in music. Yes, it was the music that would propel their legacy further, young fans joining the ranks with veteran Dead Heads, Jerry wondering "where do they keep coming from?" — a sentiment that still rings true today, a sentiment that offers up another opportunity for an exceptional release from a tour that serves as transcendental chapter in the Grateful Dead masterpiece.

With Spring 1990 (The Other One), you'll have the chance to explore another eight complete shows from this chapter, the band elevating their game to deliver inspired performances of concert staples (“Tennessee Jed” and “Sugar Magnolia”), exceptional covers (Dylan’s “When I Paint My Masterpiece” and the band’s last performance of the Beatles’ “Revolution”) and rare gems (the first “Loose Lucy” in 16 years) as well as many songs from Built To Last, which had been released the previous fall and would become the Dead’s final studio album. Also among the eight is one of the most sought-after shows in the Dead canon: the March, 29, 1990 show at Nassau Coliseum, where Grammy®-winning saxophonist Branford Marsalis sat in with the group. The entire second set is one continuous highlight, especially the breathtaking version of “Dark Star.”

For those of you who are keeping track, this release also marks a significant milestone as now, across the two Spring 1990 boxed sets, Dozin At The Knick, and Terrapin Limited, the entire spring tour of 1990 has been officially released, making it only the second Grateful Dead tour, after Europe 1972, to have that honor.

Now shipping, you'll want to order your copy soon as these beautiful boxes are going, going, gone...

OK. Now I get it.

I stopped attending Grateful Dead concerts in 1986 after some disappointing shows. My collection of Dead recordings focuses on the pre-Brent period, particularly '69 to '73. I bought the first 1990 box and enjoyed it, with its in-the-audience sound perspective, sometimes muddy vocals, and other audio problems, but I didn't love it. When this batch came along, I could not resist buying the Branford show. HOLY MOLY! Aside from Branford Marsalis's performance, the fantastic sound quality and terrific performances by the Dead, themselves, simply blew me away. Had to download the rest. I've been listening to it (still a long way to go) ever since. All the polish of '77 and then some, with most of the youthful energy of prior decades. The psychedelia of the early days comes through from time to time, as well. I'm having a hell of a good time with this. Thanks to all involved. (Re: the great Branford debate: I've been a jazz fan for quite a while, and a fan of Branford Marsalis's ever since I saw him and his younger brother perform as members of Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers in about 1980. I think it's important to understand the pushback he was getting for performing with rock groups, particularly Sting, and for forming his own funk/jazz group in the '80s. Jazz purists just hate it when one of their own finds success as a crossover. Branford had to defend himself in every interview with the jazz press and assure them that he was not abandoning jazz. Typically, he would tell them politely that they had their heads up their butts, rock music is fun for him, and artists like the Grateful Dead were a little different from Madonna in terms of complexity and artistic merit. Let's not get carried away by a phrase or two that he's uttered over the years.)

Listening in order

So far I've made it through the first 5 shows of this set beginning with Cap Center through the first Nassau show and am utterly blown away. Every show so far is a highlight unto themselves. Even without the Branford show and the two Omni stops, a run I attended, this would have been a satisfying box set. '87 - 'Summer '90 was truly a magical period for the Dead. Seeing as how they recorded most if not all of the shows from Summer '89 through Spring '90, there is enough quality material on par with this box left to release another 4 or 5 box sets from this peak era. So far I've resisted listening to the Branford show and the two Omni shows, both of which I attended in order to put myself into a more spiritual space. I was familiar with much of this tour with a few exceptions (Hartford and the first night in Nassau), and this listening experience reaffirms my view that this was a time when the Dead went beyond being mere musicians to superhero status. What can I possibly say about Brent that already hasn't said? THIS is the tour that you play to turn people onto the Dead. A few bars of Loose Lucy from 3/14/90 should do the trick! I have to thank everybody involved with the production of this set and congratulate for an exemplary job all around, but most of all, I have to thank everybody whose patience with my sometimes blunt commentary who showed such an amazing level of generosity when I hardly deserved it. Thank you!

Bonus Disc

Hello Everyone, I don't want to hijack the thread, but I wanted to let you know that I ordered a few single discs from Dead.net last week after receiving the box set. I guess when it rains, it pours. Anyway, I ordered the Fall 1977 Road Trips and, lo and behold, it had the bonus disc in it. I had heard about that there were some bonus discs floating around on some of the old Road Trips. Well, the 77 bonus was in my set. I was kind of hoping for this to be honest with you. They must be at the bottom of the barrel, so I'm guessing the inventory is running low. I also ordered the MSG '90 set, sadly no bonus disc there. The bonus disc I really wanted was from that MSG set and From Egypt with Love. Anyway, just thought I'd let you know.

Same results kevjones

Fall 77 came with bonus disc, I got in the spring of 2014. I got MSG 90 last week and sadly, no bonus. I have ordered a few others since the Spring time, just hoping it would have showed up with bonus. And the only one was Fall 77'. For some odd reason I have a gut feeling the Valentines 68' show is being sent out with Bonus as well. But I don't have any proof. I already own that 68' set but it looks like a lot of sealed RT from Fall 77 and Feb. 68 showed up on eBay around the same time with bonus included.

1990, The Other One

Well as many folks have expressed, this box set is amazing. I got it on the 15th, and have only been through three shows so far. Quite possibly the BEST sounding live Grateful Dead recordings, ever.....and that says a lot. You actually feel like you're in the front row when you listen to them. I am totally enjoying these shows, and taking my time. :). Hope everyone is too. :)

Spring 90 TOO 3-21-90

I am listening to the whole (released) tour in order and am up to Copps 3-21. It seems the Audience presence is greater on this show more so than the ones leading up to it. Maybe it's just my imagination. The other things I'm hearing is more separation on TOO than the first box and a more prominent Phil on TOO as well. Still can't figure out exactly why they would not have taken the opportunity to mix the first box right when they had the tapes. Bobby is going with the effeminate squealing on Estimated, and it makes cameos elsewhere which may not be for everyone. I like how the Victim gets way out there in the first set and into Standing on the Moon is sweet. Crazy Fingers>Cumberland is just Great. Brent is the MVP for me so far (China Doll 3-19, high harmonies on Loose Lucy 3-14 and 3-21), but really the whole band is cranking on all cylinders.

Branford

That's a great point steve73, about the pushback Branford got from the jazz community about playing with the Dead. I knew a jazz musician years ago: he loved Branford but thought his playing with the Dead was a "sell out". I suppose he was also trying to "get my goat" a little bit.

I wonder how much "pushback"

I wonder how much "pushback" he got from the jazz community as the bandleader for "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno"? On these performances, Branford seems to me almost a little lost at times just keeping up with the band, trying to get a note in wherever he could that would fit. All good though! Wish I had been there.

Eyes Of The World

This is an incredible box set, "Eyes Of The World" sounds better than ever , Garcia plays as freely as ever. Marsalis seems at ease "playing in the band" WOW 54 3de

mbarilla....your gut is correct

I purchased a Road Trips 2.2, Carousel 2-14-68, and it had the bonus disc in with the other two discs, not in a separate jacket.

Branford

I dug out my collection of his CDs and am revisiting them. "Bloomington" and "random Abstract" are terrific.

What Branford was really wrong about:

Cecil Taylor

Spring '90

I've finally completed my run through the new box. The sound is perfect. Definitely the best sounding GD release yet, although Go To Nassau and Nightfall of Diamonds also sound amazing and crystal-clear. The box is beautiful as well. Not as cool as a steamer trunk, but definitely well-done. As for the performances, I think I've stated before that I prefer the shows on the first set to all except the 3/29/90 show. I have to revise my original statement slightly. The 4/1/90 show is a revelation. Although I've heard it before, I definitely had not heard it like this. To Lay Me Down and TMNS to end the first set is fantastic, and the entire 2nd set just smokes. I don't think I can write anything new about 3/29. While the Jack Straw - Bertha opener is a bit lackluster for the time period, once Branford steps in, the band elevates its game to the highest level. Fantastic second set (although Branford seems to disappear on The Wheel). As for the other shows, they're fine. I enjoyed 4/3 more than I thought I would, and the second set to 3/25 as well. Still would take the first box performance-wise, but with the improved SQ, you can't go wrong here either. Next box? Dave has said several times that the tours he felt merited full release were Europe '72, Spring '90, May '77, and Fall '73. Unless the rest of those May '77 shows come home to the Vault, we're looking at a MASSIVE peak Dead set in 2015.

I am surprised...

...that given the almost universal praise that this box has gotten, that the last 1500 sets haven't sold out. It seems that the "1500 left" banner was raised around the time when the first boxes were hitting the streets, er, mailboxes. Usually that moves the fence sitters off the fence and into the poor house, LOL.

Moving along....

...just finished digesting 3/28. Great show,great first set(as usual). New Minglewood,Queen Jane,Loose Lucy are great and I'll tell you, thats one of the best versions of "Cassidy" I've ever heard! It really rocks! Its a great show until the encore when they absolutely butcher "Revolution". I love ya Jer but that was not a fine moment. Taking a little "Dead Break" with some Jimi Hendrix(Cry of Love) and some George Harrison(Living In The Material World) and also the hi-light CD of CSNY 74. After purchasing this set corners had to be cut somewhere. Then it will be off to 3/29!!...Take care folks!!!!

...remember when they used to do Bonus Disc's?

3.24.90 Set:1 multi track remastered...~it all fits on one disc~ just that alone woulda had this sold out long ago... just a thought, as i'm listening to Brent SHRED through his solo during Sugaree from 4.3.90... oh well, maybe/hopefully they'll just do it... THIS BOX SET IS EPIC!!!!! SOUNDS EPIC!!!!!!! but we, all agree we NEED 3.24.90 Set:1 sounding like this... period... this woulda been thee perfect time to rectify that... just sayin... ♤ ps... 3.14.90... oooooooooooh man... whatta way to start a tour... ...a crazy, crazy tour!!!

re: Mr Jack Straw

....4/1 was a revelation for me also. Awesome, awesome show...the first set is top notch Dead....

I know this not the forum...

However GarciaLive Volume 5, 12/31/75, finally available for preorder at jerrygarcia.com. The t-shirt is cool. Already ordered the CD/T-shirt bundle shipping date is approx. 10/17/14. I've been waiting for the "official" announcement since August 25th. This show ROCKS, HAPPY WEDNESDAY, DEADLAND!!!!!!

50th Anniversary

A couple of folks have suggested a box set with one show from every year. Even if that is ONLY 100 discs, @ $10 per disc, that is $1,000. Count me out on that one!Rock on

Drums 3/25/90

I agree with all the praise of this box set so far! Just magnificent. I'm making my way show by show in order. I had read or heard I think on a DL Seaside chat about the Drums>Space being particularly strong during this tour and I agree. The 3/25 Drums is beautiful, very meditative. My only gripe with anything regarding the box - and it's a minor one - is that the 3/25 drums I mentioned gets cut at the end of disc 2 and of course continues on disc 3. Naturally there always has to be a cutover, but Bill and Mickey were in the middle of a beautiful groove at the cut that lasts for about another 35 seconds on disc 3 before there's a clear segue to Space as Jerry comes in. Would've loved to have that groove all on one "track" for disc-changer and for iPod shuffle purposes (and I don't think the issue was disc 2 space, the music was under an hour)...oh well, told you it was a minor gripe.

Box N°3657

Received last week my box 3657 in France. Great job !I'm very glad to listen this wonderful shows.

Is there a website that has

Space on this tour....

....the cool thing about 1990 space was, they all lasted anywhere from 8-12 minutes, and if you listen closely, at about halfway through every one, they tease the song that will be coming out of it. Every time......you just need to listen closely......

Is there a website that has

Is there a website that has the proper timings for seamlessly joining GD tracks once you upload them to iTunes? A rather specific request, I know, but some epic sequences need to be joined (looking at you, Dick's Picks 4 and Dick's Picks 16). That would be especially helpful on the TOO box between the end of disc 2 drums and the beginning of disc 3 space.

Joining Tracks

iTunes can do this, assuming you are ripping the tracks from a disc. It's pretty simple actually: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9FYN9giFHM

Regarding those bonus discs....

I bought from dead net Road Trips Vol. 1 #1, Vol. 1 #2 and Vol. 2 #2, and all three had the bonus CDs! I don't understand the bonus CD concept anyway. You make a limited number of CD sets with a bonus CD, those sell out, then you have the leftovers that don't sell as fast. Why not make 'em all that way, with the extras? They're already tooled up to crank out the CDs and print the covers. ???????????

Box set, bonus discs

I'm enjoying this box so very much..haven't had a lot of time to really get into it..but have had a fair share of listening moments. So nice to have a couple of days off from work finally to dive Into this big ole box! Thanks for making this happen! On the posts about bonus discs coming with road trips..I ordered both winterland boxes over the past year and received the bonus disc with both boxes. Just a thought..wish my random road trips would have come with them also, oh well!

Pitch Correction / notebooks

I saw on another thread that there may have been some pitch correction done on the 3/29 show. Does anyone have any info on this? I guess its on Bob's vocals during eyes? I hope thats not true - if it is can the TPTB just leave us alone with all this commercial garbage- we want the whole shows, no alteration, no gimmicks, just good ol grateful dead- the way it happened. end rant. On a lighter side- anyone else keep a notebook on the shows in their collection or the ones they have heard? I was thinking of starting one with this tour and the E72 and then going into the whole collection and wonder if anyone else does that now and if they have any cool systems for recording their thoughts. Reading about Dick L really inspired me to get my own notes going for constructive listening and being able to pin point what I want to hear in my collection at a certain time.

I don't know about pitch correction....

....but I do know awesome sound....Spring TOO is an example of the finest mixing and production of a live recording I have ever heard.....simply jaw dropping. Best $ ever spent.....I'm sure you all feel the same....if you want to turn someone onto the Dead, play this box of this tour...universal if you ask me. p.s. I may be biased a bit...Play Dead!!

Re: pitch correction

Isn't pitch correction meant to fix problems caused by the recording process (speed of recording is off) rather than fix problems caused by the performances (forgetting words, guitar out of tune, missed note, etc.)? I don't see why someone would object to a recording error being fixed.

Pitch Correction

Sorry for the drama, but I think this is important- From what the person said in the wake up to find out thread - Bob's EOTW vocals during the chorus were originally out of tune, but in this release it has been corrected. So its the pitch of the vocal - but maybe auto tune is a better way to say it. This box is awesome no doubt about it - but after what I heard about the Going Down the Road song incident in the '77 box, this seems believable (also heard some magic was done on the E72 box)…. Anyway I just hope that those who make these releases do not confuse trying to get something sonically right with changing the performance. I for one like a performance to be released with warts and all - performance wise. If there are wrong notes, bad vocals thats fine and if pieces of a performance missing I would prefer just supplemented with an AUD recording, etc...

Lots of Luck EdTheHead

To get all three bonus discs. I got one with Fall 77. I had a feeling more were floating around. I ordered Fall 79 next and no Bonus. I had Feb. 68 (no bonus) before they started to restock ( or discovered more in the warehouse). I did notice at one time those 3 volumes went out of stock and then came back a week or so later. So they may have found more in the warehouse or printed more by mistake with bonus included. I'm not sure if they have more than one warehouse. It may be where you live also that will depend on getting a bonus in one of these. If there is more than one warehouse. I live in Ohio and my packages all seem to originate in Hebron, KY when I order from dead.net. And with limited edition releases. My number is usually always in the middle of the run. A few weeks back I ordered MSG 90 and the package got lost. Dead.net replaced the order, but I still wonder if that MSG 90 that was lost had bonus disc included. The one I got did not have

sell out

Sorry for the double post

sell out

I really can't believe this box set has not sold out yet I mean this is the best music that has ever been released if you have not purchased this box you must you will not be disappointed

sell out

I really can't believe this box set has not sold out yet I mean this is the best music that has ever been released if you have not purchased this box you must you will not be disappointed

Pitch Correction

What is the OP's evidence that this was done? As I recall reading, the OP says something like (I'm paraphrasing): I heard an AUD of this show a long time ago and, if memory serves, Bob was out of tune. Ok, sure: Bob is occasionally off-key. I doubt anyone would deny that. Is there a link to the AUD in question on the archive? Has anyone compared that AUD to the new release? What about to the prior Without a Net release. I understand the OP says this is where all the pitch correcting started. Is there some published source where pitch correcting is acknowledged? This seems kind of like bullshit to me.

Pitch Correction

Just listened to one of the AUDs on archive.org. I'm no Randy Jackson, but Bob didn't sound particularly pitchy to me on Eyes. Maybe there is a vast conspiracy where Bob's vocals have been corrected on the AUDs as well?

Thanks KCorriganM!

Thanks for checking!

HD FLAC X HDCD

Does anyone know if the sound quality of HD FLAC is better, equal or worse than HDCD?

Pitch correction is necessary

Pitch correction is necessary when the machine recording the tape, or one along the chain of a vine - is moving at too slow or too fast a speed. So guys like Charlie miller and Hseamons have to either slow down or speed it up. But all the tracks have the problem. So if you were trying to play along on your guitar. It would sound like they were playing eyes in the key of f instead of e, and it would sound faster. Rev it up another half step and they start sounding chipmunk like.So you slow the tape down until what you know is an e chord sounds like an e. Unless Bob was singing the whole thing a half step off ) which is pretty much impossible to do, heaybe just hit a few bum notes) pitch correction would not solve your problem, he'd have to go into the studio and redo the part. And I think some of the vox on the original Europe 72 release they did that. But not here.

Pitch Correction vs auto tune

Sorry for the confusion- Yes I agree pitch or speed of tape should be corrected when necessary (wish that was done with the RT from Cornell). I'd like them to keep the off note parts to maintain the integrity of the recording. I'm sure there is so much technology that could make lots of changes, but I think that works against the whole concept of live recording. I realize mostly all bands that officially release live recordings do some doctoring - even the original Europe 72 is famous for the re recording of vocals and organ - I guess I was just hoping to have just a mastered version of the original live recording without any changes.

Not sold out

Yeah jpreston, I agree, this is an awesome box. The sound is outstanding. Peak 90's Dead.I'm musically in fantasy dead heaven.

Morning Dew from Hartford

Wow check this out!

Taking Notes

mpace--The past year or so I've been trying to keep notes every time I listen to a CD, GD or no. I have so much music, and to hone in on the best of it, I'm feeling like I need to be more critical. So for things like Van Morrison's Astral Weeks and Moondance, I don't take notes, because those are classics--everything is fantastic. But I give grades for the songs on his next three or four CDs, and keep the notes in the CD cases, so that the next time I pop in those discs, I can program the player to play only the really good tracks. Same thing with Dead shows--I'm trying to be diligent about grading the songs on the non-perfect shows, so that I can listen to the best of the best. I'm one of those folks who wishes that most Dead releases were thoughtful compilations, as I would rather have the best three hours from a three-show run than have one complete show from that run. With my notes, I can skip a bunch of mediocre performances from a release, which gives me more time to hit the high points of another release. The Road Trips series had the right idea, IMHO, but they jumbled things a bit too much and turned the tide against compilations.

Deadheadbrewer > Road Trips

Good point about the Road Trips. My pet theory about what happened with that series is that, uncharacteristically, the first release had a lot of issues which set a negative tone for the series (even though later releases addressed the issues) 1. The packaging was not good at first. The first release (Fall 79) had rough, unpleasant cardboard which can scratch discs. It was too tall and narrow. The graphics were, IMO, flat out ugly. BUT, by the last year they had totally fixed these issues - the covers of most of the Road Trips were spectacular, they shortened them and made the spines wider, allowing for easier insertion / removal of discs, and a more flush appearance on the shelf (to collectors like us, that is not a minor point). 2. Sound quality on the first release was not pleasing to the ears, harsh, too bright, seemed overly loud (like something mixed for MP3) and was apparently not pitch-corrected. This was also addressed on later releases. 3. I agree with Deadheadbrewer that the compilation idea was a good one. I've always said I like good compilation releases AND good full show releases - I don't know why a series has to be one or the other. But the first compilations seemed more scattered than something like, say DP18. All of this set a tone which, unfortunately, led to the abandonment of the idea. Too bad. I would be fine if DaPs were compilations once and awhile. So for example, if that's what it takes to get something released from 84, then bring it on...

HD FLAC bit-depth/sample rate: 24/96, 24/88, 192kHz ?

Has remastering specifications re the newly available HD FLAC files for Spring 1990/ Spring 1990 TOO been published? The "more info" link is simply an FAQ; absent anything relevant to the file mastering. Note that the "Wake Up to Find Out (3/29/90)" digital files via dead.net are also missing the bit-depth/sample rate specs. The latter is available in both 24/96 and 24/192 downloads at HD Tracks. Will purchases made through dead.net provide the same options? As there is only one price for the download via dead.net, it's doubtful. Clicking through the ordering process does not reveal any more information and would be quite a financial gamble if you're hoping for a specific resolution. Can any one shed light on this?

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