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    Thanks...I am happy for you. I also sent them an email about 15 mins ago. I just want closure one way or another.
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    Got it at 12:02AM. Subject
    Got it at 12:02AM. Subject says "Roseland Confirmation". Body of email is sparse. Venue instructions, time and location of show, and my name in bold print. Has a link at the bottom for Dead.net complete contest rules.BTW, I sent GDTSTOO a rather direct email about an hour ago telling them what I thought about the whole shebang.
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    Have a great time. Just curious what time did you receive it? Pst or Est time?
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    Confusion about "Guest" - Help Dead.net, need some clarity (^_^)
    I am a winner for Roseland and I did not see any place on my entry form to enter in the name of a guest. My winning email clearly states that "I have been selected to receive (2) tickets" but I do then also see on the email that it says, "The person accompanying them must be the same individual whose name is provided upon entering the ticket giveaway and this person must also provide a valid state-issued PHOTO ID in order to enter." And, my winning email has my name as BOTH the Winner and the Guest! Myself (Winner) and my guest are driving from very far tomorrow for the show, so we hope to get some clarity on this here in the next 12 hours before we hit the road! Boy this is confusing!!! I am praying that this is like how they did it when Phish played at the Filmore and you simply need to show up at the door with your guest (whoever it is) and if your name is on the list (as the winner) for 2 tickets it gets you both in. If someone from Dead.net gets this with any affirmation or clarity on this you can email me a response directly at antonio@dailypassion.com See you on the dance floor! (^_^)
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    I can't believe it!
    I just got a confirmation email from GDTSTOO with my name on it. I take back everything bad I said about everybody except George Bush! See you at Roseland!
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    I have had enough of this waiting...I just sent GDTS an relpy email asking them to clarify their intension. I will post their reply if and when I receive it. Why do I need to go thru this. It should have been cut and dry....Yes..... draw me a map!
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    Further evidence that the latter part of the email related to the sweepstake entry on Friday from 6-9 is because this is what the entry form asked for, which is in the fine print of your email: Entrant's First Name Entrant's Last Name Entrant's Email address First Name of Entrant's Guest Last Name of Entrant's Guest
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    This is the email I got. The top portion clearly does not sound like a sweepstakes entry. I took it that I had won. I figured the bottom portion of the email related to the initial entry into the sweepstakes from 6-9pm on Friday. When I get an email stating "You will be sent an email confirmation voucher that you must print and provide for entrance to the event", I take it to mean "You will be sent an email confirmation voucher that you must print and provide for entrance to the event".
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    O.K. Here is the original e-mail I received from GDTS
    In the subject line: The Dead 3/30/09 Roseland Ballroom - you've been selected Hello, You have been selected for the GDTS TOO allotment of tickets for The Dead's performance at the Roseland Ballroom on Monday, March 30, 2009 at 11:00 PM. The intention of this small venue show is to provide an opportunity for fans to see The Dead in an intimate setting for free. Here's the deal.... You must respond to this email by Saturday, March 28 at high noon! Do not phone or email with any questions or you will be disqualified! This offer is non transferable, it is for you only! You and your guest must have a photo ID for entrance into the show. 2 tickets per person limit No tickets will be mailed out. You will be sent an email confirmation voucher that you must print and provide for entrance to the event. Once at the venue all concertgoers will be required to provide photo identification along with a copy of the email voucher which will be checked against our record of your confirmation. Once confirmed you will be allowed entrance into the concert. To avoid long lines; you are strongly encouraged to arrive early. You must enter the venue upon arrival and there are no in/out privileges. Please return this email with an "accept" or "decline" in the subject box. Again, this email must be returned by Saturday at High Noon. I responded "accept" and that was the last I heard from them. Pretty deceiving if you ask me because it was followed by this in much smaller print: Here are the Official Rules: The Sweepstakes may only be entered in or from the 50 United States and the District of Columbia, and entries originating from any other jurisdiction are not eligible for entry. This Sweepstakes is governed exclusively by the laws of the United States. You are not authorized to participate in the Sweepstakes if you are not located within the United States. You must provide the following: Entrant's First Name Entrant's Last Name Entrant's Email address First Name of Entrant's Guest Last Name of Entrant's Guest All entrants must have a valid email address. Limit one (1) entry per person. No automated entry devices and/or programs permitted. Sponsor is not responsible for lost, late, illegible, stolen, incomplete, invalid, unintelligible, misdirected, technically corrupted or garbled entries, which will be disqualified, or for problems of any kind whether mechanical, human or electronic. Only fully completed entry forms are eligible. Proof of submission will not be deemed to be proof of receipt by Sponsor. Start/End Dates. ALL ENTRIES MUST BE RECEIVED NO LATER THAN March 28, 2009 at 12:00 PM Pacific Time. Eligibility. Participation open only to legal residents of the fifty (50) United States or the District of Columbia who are eighteen (18) years of age or older as of date of entry. Void outside of the 50 United States and the District of Columbia, and where prohibited, taxed or restricted by law. You are not authorized to participate in the Sweepstakes if you are not located within the United States or the District of Columbia. All federal, state and local laws and regulations apply. Tickets for the above-mentioned performances are not available to the general public. Tickets to all concerts will be given away free through this or other sweepstakes and other methods. Thus, the total approximate retail value (or "ARV") of all prizes to be awarded is $0.00. All Prizes are non-transferable. No substitutions or cash redemptions. All winners are responsible for their own travel and/or transportation to New York City no later than the date of the performance for which they receive tickets. **PLEASE NOTE: TICKETS WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE AT THE DOOR OF ANY OF THE VENUES FOR THE THREE PERFORMANCES DESCRIBED HEREIN. ACCORDINGLY, PLEASE DO NOT GO TO ANY OF THE VENUES UNLESS YOU ARE A PRIZE WINNER OF THIS SWEEPSTAKES, YOU HAVE RECEIVED E-MAIL CONFIRMATION FROM THE SPONSOR, AND YOU HAVE ADHERED COMPLETELY TO THE PRIZE REDEMPTION PROCEDURES PRESCRIBED IN THESE OFFICIAL RULES. THE DEAD AND THE SPONSOR APPRECIATE YOUR RESPECT AND COOPERATION. Notification. Winners will be notified by electronic mail within twenty-four (24) hours prior to the shows. This electronic mail message is sometimes referred to herein as the "E-Mail Prize Notification". Winners will not receive any further confirmation from Sponsor that they have been selected as a Prize winner other than the E-Mail Prize Notification. If you do not receive an E-Mail Prize Notification, then you were not selected as a Prize winner. If Sponsor attempts to send you an E-Mail Prize Notification and such notification is returned as undeliverable or otherwise does not reach you, if any winner rejects his/her prize, or in the event of noncompliance with these Sweepstakes rules and requirements (including, without limitation the Prize Redemption Procedures set forth in paragraph 7 below), such Prize will be forfeited. Upon prize forfeiture, no compensation will be given. Prize Redemption Procedures. Each winner shall be solely and personally responsible for adhering to the following applicable procedures in order to redeem their Prize. If any winner is considered a minor in his/her jurisdiction of residence, they must be accompanied by a parent or legal guardian at the time they appear at the relevant Peformance venue to redeem their Prize. 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The band says Happy New Year with an announcement of almost twenty shows in April and May.  More details to come!

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Speaking on behalf of dead heads who honestly has the money to go to multiple shows. $100 dollars a ticket is completley outragious. If im spending 100 bucks for a ticket it sure as h**l better be a floor ticket not some nosebleed b.s.
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oh well, the tickets are $100. it shocked me at first too. was expecting 1/2 that. i guess thats just 50 more grilled cheese sandwiches i gotta sell to see a show. ;)
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I live in Seattle and I am praying and hoping they play the Gorge this summer..I am looking forward to going to Shoreline and spending a few days in the Bay Area.. We also have a house near the ocean in Santa Cruz... The smiles, dancing & laughter in the air will compensate for any price tag and that my friends can not be bought
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More people are complaining over the cost of a ticket vs. the price of gas we were paying last summer. Come on...... take that extra money you're not spending on inflated gas prices and by a ticket!!!!!!!!
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I just registered at the deadtickets site and the only tickets listed for the WB, PA show are the upper tier pricing? Other shows have two tier tix, but some only have the mucho dinero tix? I don't care where my seat is...not like I'll be using it anyway and no need to see the "maturity lines" on Bobby! lol I wanted to treat my bro and his girl, since they can't really spring for $150 (lower price tix? at least for mailorder) for them both...but it's going to cost me $300 for us to catch the boys one last time? *sigh* Time to break out the colored pencils and get my envelope ready for tomorrow! ~Wake now, discover that you are the song that the morning brings!
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What's confusing me is how some of the venues appear to have only the upper tier tickets on sale during the pre-sale (Nassau Coliseum, MSG, the Spectrum, etc.) while others have both tiers available (Buffalo, Hartford, etc.). Anyone know why this is? I can't imagine they'd sell the lesser seats for the higher price during the presale online, while selling them for regular price via mailorder and/or when they eventually go on sale to the public... but then again it would depend on what shady ticket company was in charge. Anyway, based on the ticket prices I'm probably going to mail order- at least I know what I SHOULD be getting when I pay $100 for a ticket to MSG, and it seems like the only way to get the cheap tickets to the E. Rutherford shows. If they would just make it clear on the site what tickets are being sold for that price... Anyway, it's gonna be a wonderfully strange time regardless... see you on Shakedown Street!
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Almost 900 people online right now..I am curious to see it when it peaks tommorrow..It is almost show time..Only one more sleep until we hopefully all get our seats ..Woot Sleeping will be tough tonight
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So the tickets are going thru music today, I already have a musictoday account, i guess this is a separate account on dead.net? hope this whole registration thing on the dead site doesnt fuck up tomorrow. Who ever is in charge of logistics for this tour should be off the "bus"! Christ! They dont even know whats going on I.E "We've learned from the ticket vendor that you must create an account to place an order" This just coming out less than 24 hours away from the pre-sale. God, buddah, muhammad, somebody help us!
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you are exactly right on track. Who cares on the cost. I almost pucked from being excited when I saw the website change with new info. I would have payed twice today's rate and sat in the parking lot if I knew it would have been Jerry's last show back then. Being able to see the four of them together and see the magic in person possibly one last time!! At least I'm enjoyin' the Ride!! GratefulParks
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how many tickets can we purchase per tomorrows pre sale adventure ?
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I thought there were $69 tix for the spectrum? Now I only see the upper level tix and I booked a hotel already. Uggghhh Oh well, looks like I'm going anyway. Think I'll steer clear of Rikers though, LOL! Put your gold money where your love is, baby...........
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i would assume @ least 4 but this has been very secretive in a sense..I am not nearly as stressed about the money as I am in trying to get the correct info to make it a smooth transaction...I have any all 3 of the ticket outlets to my favorites and had to register with all of them..Damn it should be an interesting effort tommorrow
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They won't sell out on the presale. This isn't The Stones or The Eagles. If you don't have the cash, don't buy them. If you do, get them when you can. Most venues i've been to over the past couple decades didn't sell out, I doubt these big arena shows will. Personally, I wish they would have chosen smaller places to play to keep the room full. It's been a bummer on ratdog shows looking behind me and seeing empty seats.
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I have tried numerous times to create an account with musictoday for the presale tomorrow, BUT everytime i try it says there is an error, the password and confirm password do not match. What the heck is going on? Where else can i get the presale tix through tomorrow?
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My guru has spoken, and to Chicago I must go! I will pay a week's worth of food (for me, not including the dog), I will fly if I must, and endure a Cubs game if I have to (brrrr) because my guru commands it be so! Live in fear, Rosemont IL. MarkintheDark approaches, and he *will* enjoy himself. (At a hundred bucks a pop, I f*ckin' better!) ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************
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Ticket pre-sale begins tomorrow (Tuesday, January 13th) at 12:00 p.m. (noon) Eastern/9:00 a.m. Pacific! Get ticket info, see the tour schedule and follow the countdown by clicking here. We have learned from our ticket vendor that you must create an account to place an order. We recommend clicking on the "Set One Up" link at Dead.net to set up an account on the ticketing website before the pre-sale begins. Adding to the excitement is a new Dead '09 video from the band. Click the link below for special, behind-the-scenes clips & interviews. Dead.net is the place to be for all Dead '09 tour information. Please stay in touch for special offers and surprises
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Damn, they are not looking to make this affordable, that's for sure. Suppose I'll have to wait for the tape...
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does anyone know if there is any talk of sticking an alpine valley show into the line-up? i cant believe that with alpines rich place in dead history that they would skip it on their potentially last tour?! i will be at a show, i'll probably have to catch the allstate, but wouldnt it be great to gather on the rolling hill at alpine valley and dance to the dead with the grass under your bare toes again? what do we need to do to get a show at alpine? anyone ?
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Well guess who sold out now. The Dead. Here we are in troubled times, a national Depression on the crest of the wave and the boys want us to shell out $100 a ticket. Change is here ok. When we really need a break the Dead break our banks.Thanks a mil. Bucks that is.
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just got my stuff ready for the gdts mail order earlier this evening.....filling out the index card, etc......hmmm....now i don't know if i should buy the money order or try to get logged in at noon????? ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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Given the prices they want for these shows. I had looked at doing 4-5. Might just blow off the whole thing. If they have brought these back from the netherworld, would someone let me know.
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not to be able to see more than one show.....i could very easily make it to at least three....logistically....but alas, price wise....gonna have to settle for Cville.....i am thankful that the MULE still keeps their ticket prices at around $30.......but i gotta see Warren play Jer's tunes....Peace... ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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is it possible the access code is the "security code" that had to be entered after the user name and password were entered? I hope not because I didn't write it down. The reason I'm asking is because I just received an email that didn't mention anything about the access code.
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Look with now a days inflation. Does it really suprise you that its this much. For that matter I hear all you cry & complain but come on its the Dead & you dont think its worth it. Yea it may not be as little of cost as it was 30 yrs ago but today is today & who knows when we will see these guys back on stage. Let alone what may happen to then in the up coming years. So a certain price you may not feel is fair. Just think how you would feel saving those couple bucks & missing one of the last Dead shows, cuz we all know theres not gonna be to much more. Hell thats my 2 cents but what do I know!
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humble suggestions ... Bob talks about the music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_M8f23BQDY Warren and Derek soothing slide http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UauECrCIYl8 Soundcheck at PSU/Obama show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHsvo2-FHuU 10/25/1979 on archive.org http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-10-25.set1aud-set2sbd.miller.22792… the things I cannot change, the things I can ...
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i was gonna go to 3-5 shows then just one but now i think im gonna go to two. Im gonna buy a a good seat for one show and a cheapo ticket for the other (<----cheapo ticket? does that exist?) See im thinking since everybodys pissed that the tickets are so expense maybe the place will only be half full and i can get to a better seat, maybe even the floor. Or just dose the security guard and come back in 30 min and we'll both go down to the floor and have a good time.
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no i don't think the "security code" would be an access code. that's just to keep automated responses at rest. On to a different subject... people complaining about the price of tix... my husband and i spent $100 a pop plus hotel room for the allman bros and bob weir in chicago last year. We are thrilled the tix are only $100 for the number of bands you will see on this tour. We missed the obama show. been kickin ourselves ever since. when we heard of this we decided right away, and with no clue what the cost, WE ARE SOOOO THERE!
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it's not just the $100 tickets. it's also the VIP packages that it appears have basically locked up the first 10 rows...the DEAD...VIP PACKAGES???? Unreal. I'm not even sure it makes good economic sense for the band...They're gonna walk out on stage every night to a lot of expensive--and empty--seats.
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I am happy they are selling tickets through the link on this board...Those service charges are so much better than I was anticipating with Ticker-Bastard...I am stoked and almost feel as though I switched to Geico
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im thinking about turning in my dyes and buy some suites. in my humble opinion, the boys forgot about us and sold out to the almighty dolla.
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well i think im prepared for tommorow good luck to you all and i wish we could all get in but we might not fleaflicker i would love to dose the security guard if you dont get in remember we will get by we will surviiiive
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what link are u talkin about? i checked ticket-bastard... holy moly! will not go through them.
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I LOVE THESE GUYZ.....always have, always will....got on the bus in '79...truly some of the best moments of my life.....i just wasn't expecting it to be quite so much.....saw Phil in Richmond last year and had the most wonderful time...right down in front, groovin' with my 3 children (all in their 20's)....just kinda sad i can't see as much of this tour as i would have liked, and can't afford to help my kids get tix......been a little spoiled seeing Mule tours at 30 dollars a nite.....but i will send in the mail order for C'ville, and maybe try logging in tomorrow and use the damn credit card for Greensboro or DC...... ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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but i wonder will there be xtra fees with the musictoday?? ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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1 on this site go to the main page 2 click on tour and ticket info 3 scroll down and click on set one up it will bring you to the company selling tickets... register asap and add to favorites.. tommorrow open up the link and when password becomes available follow instruction for venue you are going to If you know how to copy and paste cary this over and put in your search .. it is a direct link to the site http://www.deadtickets.rlc.net/TheDead/calendar.aspx
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over 1,300 people looking at forums right now and this is the only thread really moving..I think the demand is high
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have always gotten tix through mail order....but that was 15 years ago.... ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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what makes you think that we will be emailed the access code? I don't think they meant the verification code but who knows?
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anyone have details on the Internet sales starting tomorrow morning? Is there some type of password that has to be used to get into the sale? RatDog and Phil and Friends did two shows in SF for New Year's Eve and both bands were very, very good. Can't wait for May!
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i have about 6 five gallon gas cans. Im gonna fill em up while gas is still down a bit and store em till April. Gas might go back up to 4 somthing a gallon by then for all we know. At least my intial tank on departure will be cheaper and already paid for, plus i will be able to take one or two with me.
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Looking for infor or clarification on the subject of an Access Code. After registering for an account to purchase tickets tomorrow, I read the "Frequently Asked Questions" section and saw a reference to Acess Codes. Where do they come from? How do we get them? Will they appear tomorrow when they open up the site to purchase tix? HELP!!
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missin' Jerry right now....thinkin' about Hampton, VA....the last GA holdout....he loved playin' there..... ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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about access codes....just clicked on the link at top of page and created an account.... ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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you are referring to the scramble code that had to be copied when you created your account?? ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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It is basically a security measure for the site..
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I'm confused-NOTHING NEW, but someone clarify this for me. They are doing mailorder and internet sales??
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Looks like both.... ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....
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nobody has a clue man! Your just gonna have to wing it and hope all ends well. Your not alone, the people responsable for this tour dont even know. Ive been living on this board since the tour was announced, and you could visit the site for the first time in your life today and know just as much as anybody here. good luck
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gotta believe that if you mailorder tomorrow, you'll get tickets.....but with the internet sales you will get to see what seats you're getting....if you can get logged in....I'll be at work tomorrow, hope to be able to log in but ..... ALL GOOD THINGS IN ALL GOOD TIME.....