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  • #2001
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    Hey Travis
    I won't know what seats we've got for a couple of months, but I'm patient. Do you know anything about where folks will be hanging out before/after the shows? I'm not too familiar with Philly (we picked it since we had to hit the road and wanted to see at least two shows for the effort). We've booked some rooms at the Hyatt @ Penn's Landing, but that's only because we saw it listed as part of the VIP packages, so we thought "hmmm, there oughta be at least a few 'heads there" but then again, this venue may not be the epicenter of all things Dead in PA. So if ya know of any good gathering spots for pre- and post-show communing, please reply back. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ One man gathers what another man spills...
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    addded shows?bringing on someone...
    any thoughts on the band adding a date or 2 for spring tour? looks like an open shot for you midwest heads..or up in oregon or washington,,other food for thought..It would be cool to bring Donna jean back for the tour..we saw her this summer at a festival out on long Island she was on!! she also sat in with Mickeys band,, made the set for sure.I think her vocals would add/help for this tour.. plus I miss her twirls when they went out there..after reading other folks nightmares with the pre sale.. I feel like I won a lottery prize.. 2 tix for nassau and msg,, nice seats for nassau,, so,so for the garden... still want to try for a road trip..will start collecting empty beer bottles once the snow stops... peace to all,, its good to be here talking up the band,, at this point in my life its good to be anywere...thought? opinions?....
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    Sailor,Thanks for your kind
    Sailor, Thanks for your kind post. I get goose bumped just thinking about this Chitown show....and who knows if I make it home for Shoreline. Wish I could perchance to dream and see the boys in Philly with you! I do know, that if we were in a parking lot together the peverbial Dark Stars would align and I would meet kind people. Have fun my brother and maybe we'll find the same path to unlimited devotion. _________________________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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    awest - and you're the
    awest - and you're the Authority of all that is known about The Grateful Dead because you've seen 500 shows. Calling Bobby, Phil, Mickey & Billy greedy leeches that Jerry carried for 30 years. Face it, You're not a Deadhead... at least not one anymore... if ever. The bus has dropped you off pal and rightfully so. You're an asshole!
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    sat May 2 - sec 208 row 5 seats 11 and 12.
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    re: 1/15/79 (streamline) Yeah - listening to it now. All good. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -enjoyin' the ride -There'll never be another Jerry
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    Thanks, Critter...
    I waded through a spate of postings from the last two days and have never seen so much negative energy. Until I read your note and a few right before it, I thought I was in some sort of bizarro world, not the dead.net boards. Hope you can see a few shows in this tour. For my part, I never intended to go anywhere near the on-line pre-sales thing. A Luddite at heart, I dutifully sent off a couple of brightly-colored envelopes to the friendly crew at GDTS, and I trust they'll take care of my friends and me (we're aiming for the two shows in Philly). Ticket prices? Higher than they used to be, for sure, but what isn't? Hell, I've gotta get from MN to PA and back, so tickets are the least of the expenses I've gotta deal with. But it'll get done, one way or another. Oh well, sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ One man gathers what another man spills...
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    why would you laugh at people?
    That's just wrong
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    Beavis & Butthead. You and your loser friend, jayhawkfrank, are the most hilarious imbeciles on this board. You have NEVER seen the Grateful Dead, but you have the audacity to tell others that which you did not and will not experience. Bummer. You're the ones we used to laugh at at shows. Are you sure you are not a cop? You both certainly sounds like one. jayhawkfrank - maybe you should stick to insulting those who live outside of the mainstream, like the Dead. hypocrite.
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    Ok, I have to put my two cents in now. Look, I've been shown the light many times through all kinds of music. That's the point....MUSIC. "People can you feel it, LOVE is in the air!" It doesn't matter if it's the Allman Bros, Phish, 311, James Brown, Big Brother and The Holding Company, Dave Matthews, Primus, (my fav) The Grateful Dead, Ratdog, Hank Williams, Ben Harper, Phil & Friends, Pearl Jam, Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Merle Haggarand, The Beatles, and the list goes on and on and on! I t's not about being nasty to each other, hurling remarks to people, complaining, and projecting negative energy to rooms. That's why the Grateful Dead have shown me so much....we are all not perfect, we are all fucked up in some way, we are all good people at the same time. All of us carry a big torch showing people that you can have love for your brothers and sisters of this bright blue ball spinning, regardless of the other shit. It's about listening to the MUSIC and using what you need from it and leaving the rest. BE KIND. I actually like Phish the band....hate the parking lots and don't feel all the people there are true, but it's good music. That's why "Our" band is so special, there are dicks everywhere, but "Our" band brings us together like no one else before. "Our" band has taught many people after them to actually play music from the heart. "Our" band brings out the goo balls and grilled cheese sandwiches in people. LOVE. So please, pretty please with sugar on top show them that YOU are the EYES of the WORLD! <<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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The band says Happy New Year with an announcement of almost twenty shows in April and May.  More details to come!

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Submitted by tomharp on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 20:21

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30+ years of buying tix and supporting the band and this tour/ticket scheme is bullshit. Jerry's ashes are rolling over in the Ganges River. They announce two prices for tix -- expensive and super expensive, but don't tell you what kind of seats you get for the extra cash. Unless, you buy a VIP package for several hundred dollars which gets you a ticket near the band. Only the rich folks have a chance to get good seats?! that is f...ing bullshit. Hate to say it but I think they will fail to sell out many of the shows in the northeast, and based on the way they are doing this, that is exactly what is deserved. It's great that they are rolling it out again, just can't believe they sold out basic fairness and screwed their most loyal, longtime fans in the process.
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Submitted by fillmore on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 20:29

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I used to make fun of the Eagles and CSN&Y for their rip off prices. It's sad the boys have joined that group. Part of the fun of seeing them was that they were not like any other band.
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Submitted by neverhadsuchag… on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 20:38

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yeah such is life to have and have not. whatever happened to just bein happy to be in. hopefully some of us can get stubbed down. remember that! i just want to dance
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Submitted by GomezFeck on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 20:39

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I don't know, but I'm guessing that the band and even the extended family has relatively little to do with ticket prices. Live concerts are a major worldwide industry. While I suspect that the band could arrange a tour of small venues, I'm not sure the tix would be a lot cheaper and they might even be higher. The stadium gigs allow big crowds and theoretically allow the maximum attendance (notwithstanding the costs). They would have to play a month long run at the Fillmore to allow the same crowd as a single shoreline show and a month at the Fillmore isn't real likely. I wish the tickets were cheap and plentiful; I'm baffled by the online purchase system and I've got my fingers crossed that I can make it work in the morning. I wish Jerry was singing and Brent was playing the keys, but it is what it is. Save the griping for the government... G
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Submitted by batcavejoe on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 20:43

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I have used music today several times and they do charge an extra service charge, also beware of the mailing options for they automatically put you on the most expensive mailing option but you can change that option but you have to click that option, there is no access code or password, all you have to do is registor and then when you go back to the site tomorrow all you have to do is sign in with the password you made. This is not rocket science and very user friendly.
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Submitted by batcavejoe on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 20:45

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I at first was a little upset about prices but hey, what the hell, we only live once, time to go and shake our bones and have some fun!!!
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Submitted by fawko on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 20:48

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I didnt see no stankin' acess code when I signed up?
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Submitted by theenjoyer on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 20:52

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The VIP "Consider it Dan" business is total bullshit. Who's idea was it to give the best tickets in the house to only those who could pony up $500-$1500?!?! That's where I used to dance. I'm rethinking buying any dates on this tour and I know I'm not alone. When the tour was announced some of us Fair Family started putting together a school bus trip back east. Furthur III. After people caught the VIP thing (Dollars for Dan) we've had half our crew bail out and the bus is staying in the barn. A real loss for the lot. But that's not what it's about anymore is it. Good luck with your business. Formerly Grateful, TheEnjoyer
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Submitted by batcavejoe on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 20:57

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There is no acces code, when you signed up you gace them a username and password, that is all you need to get tix!!!
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Submitted by steelyrface on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 21:00

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The wait has been tooooooooooooo long! But only one SoCal show?? C'mon guys, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee play more! What if I can't get a ticket?
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Submitted by fillmore on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 21:00

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Big day tomorrow. Good luck.
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Submitted by C-HAWKS on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 21:01

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I was thinking the same thing on the package deals...Those are rediculous in price and don't even come close to justifying the perks included...I am content with lawn seats @ Shoreline and would honestly be in the area where I think will be the most enjoyable and totally define a Dead Experience...No stuffy reserved seats for me...I want to be me
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Submitted by neverhadsuchag… on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 21:01

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so if i mail order tomorrow wth gdts and theres online sales, whats the deal. are some reserved for mailorder or if online sells out mailorder is screwed?id rather mail order and spend less money
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Submitted by michiganglen on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 21:05

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First off, I'm a bit disappointed to say the least in the bands decision to rake it in on this tour. When they toured back in '03 and '04, the prices were no where near what they are now. 5 years pass and the prices have doubled. WTF?? I know there are going to be some good shows and we are all happy to hear about them performing together again and making music, but come on. What I want to know is if Bobby is going to sing "We used to play for life, now we play for silver" during Jack Straw. Really a shame guys. I'm happy I get to go see Billy at the Crystal with Karl Denson here in Portland for $25. Just one more note here too. When The Who tried to charge a shitload of money for their show about a year ago and no one bought enough tickets, they lowered their price the week of the show to $25. If we all said sorry, but, earth to the band, we are in a recession and some of us lost a shitload of money or jobs recently and we're not buying $100 tickets, perhaps they might lower the prices too. I'll pay $50 or $60, but not $100. Too rich for my blood, and I love you guys, seriously.
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Submitted by noonie on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 21:07

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hey my wife says i need to stop this so goodluck to everyone tommorrow.....i have my fingers crossed......
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Submitted by michiganglen on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 21:11

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So I'm just wondering how much a veggie burrito or grilled cheese will cost on this tour? If its $100 per ticket, I think $8 bucks for a grilled cheese is fair game. Thats about fair, right guys?
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Submitted by HarmonicaMike on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 21:29

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Yes, they do, to the place that was built for them. SIlly question: will this sell out right away?? Hey, the new guy from New Mexico needs to know! Hope to see ya there.
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Submitted by HarmonicaMike on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 21:32

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The above post meaning Mtn View on May 10, of course. Mother's Day shows are fun....
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Submitted by coopah on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 21:35

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The band can control it's own actions. It abides in all this. With full knowledge. Speaks for itself. Indeed...it's all too clear we're on our own....
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Submitted by C-HAWKS on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 21:44

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I finally got an e-mail from this web-site with some minor tour info and a few videos..I realize that I have been acknowldged and will get the updated info..Check your e-mails to make sure you joined in correctly
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Submitted by rangerjoe on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 22:00

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It helps to hear/see that others are in the same boat. I signed up ages ago but when I checked recently I couldn't log in so I set up a new account wondering what info I might have missed and lo and behold sounds like not much - can't sleep don't know what to do tomorrow mail/call in
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Submitted by scarletbegonias08 on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 22:22

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Anyone have any idea why the difference in price of tix?I can barely afford the "cheap" ones, but was just wondering if there is seating and then a GA? Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right...
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Submitted by Canyon Critter on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 22:23

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I'm only on page 52 after reading these posts after work.....if you're really a true deadhead and want to know what everythings about, I'd suggest.....take a friggin chill pill brothers and sisters.......these people have been long time fans that run this site......if you don't think you'll get tickets than you won't....but if you do, then welcome to the BUS. Relax, believe in changing the world and know that only KIND people ride this bus........I am elated that all these youngin's want in, but choose to respect kind people and respect your elders! Thank you, Scott _________________________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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Submitted by Canyon Critter on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 23:16

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Finally,Please don't disgust me with your critiques of this site....if you've been anywhat coherent, you would know, the grass is NOT always greener no where you go. I feel like I should bitch that I'm not home, but I read this and wonder.....WHY ARE ALL YOU PHISH phans knockin what they know we all laid you down for you? Believe me, I grew up in a place near the Golden Palace, Les was still moshin in Pinole......you blue collard tweeekers are not going to run this town.....Stop thinking scalp, and start opening your minds.....TUNE IN AND TURN OUT......I wasn't even born then, but I know the people that were._Please don't bring your negative vibes my way. For all the true heads.....don't forget to think of Me and My Uncle. ________________________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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Submitted by lunaticonthegrass on Mon, 01/12/2009 - 23:25

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I'm so stoked for this. I've seen all the guys in their 'solo' ventures, but this is very special for me. And it finally pays having a second shift job!!! Don't go in until 3 in the afternoon, so I can wake up at my normal time, buy some tickets and relish.
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Submitted by bmet01 on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 00:42

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bmet01I live in Florida the weirdest state in the union and no shows anywhere near here unless you count one in NC thats a long way for an old deadhead like me that gave up his car last year i guess i should be happy they are touring again I AM! i just wish they would play in Florida but long live the Grateful fucking Dead i say.
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Submitted by c_c on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 01:39

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ok,thanks, man. lost my watch. ( - ; peace.
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Submitted by c_c on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 01:39

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ok,thanks, man. lost my watch. ( - ; peace.
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Submitted by c_c on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 02:18

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thankx, man. lost my watch. ( - ; AND THE RACE IS ON!!! good luck getting seats folks!
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Submitted by c_c on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 02:26

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looks like mail order through gdts has some cheaper seats for sale, but those are NOT listed on the internet sales site.... for folks trying to save some cash, might be better to do mail order for some venues; for example meadowlands. peace.
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Submitted by gdogs164 on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 04:36

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Somebody posted a seating chart from Nassau , all the seats under 100 were behind the stage.I dont know if they all are , but I assume the view is obstructed in some way. I think you gotta pay up , unless you wanna risk staring at a Steel Girder all night.
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Submitted by gratefaldean on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 04:37

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My company's content filter may block my access to the ticket site! I can get in to set up an account through the link here, but when I click on "Ticket information" I'm getting a "blocked" (and "you've been reported") message. I hope I can worm my way into the site from another page....
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Submitted by streamline on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 04:47

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I've got a meeting in 15 minutes, but I should be back by the time the ticket pre-sale begins. If I don't get back to this board before then, good luck to everyone. I hope you all get the tickets you need for the shows you want. "When it comes to humility, I'm the greatest!" - Bullwinkle Moose
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http://www.consideritdan.com/dead/index.php An Evening with The Dead 04/17/09 | Albany, NY Time Union Center • Venue Website • Google Map it VIP Tickets Golden RoadHigh Time Travel Packages Golden Road TravelHigh Time TravelDeluxe TravelStandard Travel The Workingman's Dead TRAVEL PACKAGES FOR 2 STARTING AT: $279 VIP TICKETS These are VIP Tickets to the Dead shows. No other tickets need to be purchased for the show. All tickets will be picked up at the Consider It Dan will call table at the venue day of show. No tickets will be mailed. The name you put as the 'will call name' on your order must match the name on a picture ID at the time of pick up. These tickets MAY NOT BE RESOLD - and CID reserves the right to cancel any tickets if they have been resold. $475 | Purchase this Package (per person) Golden Road 3 Hour VIP Reception at Savannah's right across the street from the Times Union Center featuring open bar, and free food for the entire 3 hours. VIP Entrance for a convenient and quiick entry into the Times Union Center Seats located in section 2 on the floor. Exact seat location will be shared 5 days before show. 1 Limited Edition official Dead 09 T-Shirt and 1 Limited Edition official Dead 09 Show Poster otherwise unavailable $350 | Purchase this Package (per person) High Time 3 Hour VIP Reception at Savannah's right across the street from the Times Union Center featuring open bar, and free food for the entire 3 hours. VIP Entrance for a convenient and quiick entry into the Times Union Center Seats located in section 2 on the floor or sections 105,119, or 120 in the lower bowl. Exact seat location will be shared 5 days before show. 1 Limited Edition official Dead 09 T-Shirt and 1 Limited Edition official Dead 09 Show Poster otherwise unavailable Section choice (Floor or Lower Bowl) made at checkout. The Crowne Plaza TRAVEL PACKAGES lodging at The Crowne Plaza Hotel Website • Google Map it This is a Deposit for a travel package. Tickets and transportation are included. Please see the description for your specific travel package for information on what else is also included. No elements of these travel packages can be split up and sold individually. If you cancel your travel package - we cannot sell you your tickets and posters only, we can only refund you as per the schedule below. Deposits are due immediately upon booking. Tickets, Posters, Shuttle passes, etc... will be picked up on the day of check in the lobby of the hotel. Dogs are not permitted in rooms booked through Consider It Dan. Even if the hotel has a pet friendly policy - due to the amount of time you will be out of your room (5 hours for the show at least) we cannot endorse leaving your dog locked up in an unfamiliar environment where they are likely to bark and disturb other guests. $1249 | Purchase this Package Deposit: $499 Travel Pkgs are for 2 people Golden Road Travel Includes two (2) Golden Road Tickets as detailed above Hotel Accommodations for the night of the show Luxury Transportation between the hotel and venue $929 | Purchase this Package Deposit: $499 Travel Pkgs are for 2 people High Time Travel Includes two (2) High Time Tickets as detailed above. Section choice (Floor or Lower Bowl) made at checkout. Hotel Accommodations for the night of the show Luxury Transportation between the hotel and venue $489 | Purchase this Package Deposit: $199 Travel Pkgs are for 2 people Deluxe Travel Seats located in sections 105,119, or 120. Exact seat location will be shared 5 days before show. Hotel Accommodations for the night of the show Transportation between the hotel and venue 2 Limited Edition official Dead 09 T-Shirts and 2 Limited Edition official Dead 09 Show Posters otherwise unavailable $429 | Purchase this Package Deposit: $199 Travel Pkgs are for 2 people Standard Travel Seats located in sections 105,119, or 120. Exact seat location will be shared 5 days before show. Hotel Accommodations for the night of the show Transportation between the hotel and venue $279 | Purchase this Package Deposit: $99 Travel Pkgs are for 2 people The Workingman's Dead Seat locations not yet available. Exact seat location will be shared 5 days before show. Hotel Accommodations for the night of the show Transportation between the hotel and venue
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Submitted by smokin_dave on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 05:01

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Philly mail order (GDTS TOO) has $69 tix and $99 tix. Internet pre-sale (Dead.Net) has only $95.50 tix. Is this right? I can save $30 per tic through mail order only? These hundred dollar price tags suck. Two of my old tour brothers and I were going to hit both Philly shows. Revisit the old days. One of them dropped off because he's disgusted with the ticket prices, the other one is currently out of work on disability with a family to support and he just can't swing 100 bones for a show. I'm trying to work something out so the three of us can see just one show. If we can save $30 per tic through mail order, I can probably get them both back on the bus. Can anyone shed some light on why mail order has two price tiers and online pre-order only the upper tier? Thanks brothas and sistas... Searching for the Sound
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Submitted by poktrokt29 on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 05:05

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I saw that too. I might just go for mail order, I have to consult the peeps and see what they wanna do.
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Submitted by mighty Wheels on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 05:23

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Make that money$$ boys but I can't spring 100 bucks for a ticket....Not to be a dick but come on...I got laid off on xmas eve WTF and now you guys are charging 100 per ticket!!
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Submitted by mighty Wheels on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 05:26

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Some people are really struggling to make ends!Here in Michigan unemployment is 9.8% I also assume a few are Dead Heads
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Submitted by jdrean on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 05:29

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How does one purchase tickets today during the pre-sale?
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Submitted by walton8799 on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 05:30

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What a joke, I thought the Dead were all about bucking the trend and were huge proponents of "change" as evidenced by their recent Obama benefit. Obviously the only thing that has changed about the Dead is their hunger for more money. Thanks alot for letting half of your fanbase down guys, most people I know who wanted to hit some shows now can't afford it.
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Submitted by Drumhead on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 05:54

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I guess the bus needs an overhaul. But seriously, I wonder how much more it costs for a band to play a place like the Spectrum or the Pepsi Center compared to what it cost 5 years ago. This may not be all on the band. Even if it is then so be it. They've given us a lifetime of good times and good music and it may be The Last Time and all you people complaining can do is say that they've sold out... that they've money hungry and they let us down... I know this was probably really bad timing with the economy and all but EVERYTHING costs more than it did 5 years ago. I'm barely scrapping to get 1 ticket. But I'm not going to dog on the band!
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Submitted by bill_jared on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 05:59

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Today is a good day for sure! Let's all put our good energy out there for the website gods...The ticketing site is not very responsive now and only half the country is awake. So let's all band together and think good thoughts!
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Submitted by mary i on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 06:07

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The boys should call this tour "All About the Benjamins" With unemployment at an all time high in the country, home foreclosures and everything else, I can't believe the ticket prices.... Hope they don't mind playing for half-full venues.... Never thought I'd be off the bus cuz of prices....oh well...
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Submitted by Emerald4689 on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 06:11

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I understand it takes alot to move a show from town to town. I also know it's nice to get paid to do something you love to do. For me and I know 95% of Deadheads do tour for the love of the music, not for the love of money. Sure we sell things on lot, but that is to get to the next show, not to retire on. If you are thinking we need to make the money as fast as we can, STOP IT. We are always going to be here for you because we really Love You. I wanted to do Tour again like I did last time, but now will do maybe a couple shows. I will not be buying the tix thru you, but on the lot for $20.00 like so may times before. If I dont get in oh well, theres always the tapes to get me thru. Please don't forget WE DO LOVE YOU "It's like a mighty melody that rings down from the sky"
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Submitted by FakeNBake on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 06:11

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People should have seen this coming. I am sure the guys are invested in the same markets that most people are that just took a big dump. Surely they can't play until they are 100. I am disappointed and have cut my tour down to only two shows, but I will get the "price 1" level tickets and hope that I can see the rhythym devils and some bobby kicks...but I doubt it.
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Submitted by ewile on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 06:19

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Does anyone know if the Nassau Coliseu show is going to be all GA or are they just doing GA tix on the presale today?
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Submitted by reech on Tue, 01/13/2009 - 06:19

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For $100, they'll be doing it without me. I'll wait to see Phil or Ratdog for $60 at a club, rather than spend $100 for the distant arena experience. This will be the first time I am missing a "Dead" tour in 25 years. I was planning on at least three shows, and taking my wife to a couple.But times are tough, and if the band doesn't understand that, than I don't need to contribute to their pension plan. In this economy, it's absurd for them to charge that kind of money, if the arena's are making them pay that kind of overhead, than they should wait for the shed season. $200 for a pair of Dead tickets is absurd. Good luck with the tour guys, you'll need it. Bleedin' Out http://bleedinout.blogspot.com/ Punk Rock , Garage Rawk & omfug