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  • c_c
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    Supertaks: outstanding!! glad you had a real good time! peace.
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    Well....How to put into words. I just finished seeing both Shoreline shows and the Gorge. My last experience with any Dead members was Phil and Friends w/Bob Dylan at the Gorge in 2000, before that was West Coast 1995 ending with the last Jerry show in the Bay Area at Shoreline. I was thrilled, to say the least...every aspect went off without a hitch. The shows were fantastic, better musically then I could have dreamed. Each show had a stellar highlight, but if I had to chose a favorite, I would say the first Shoreline show. Help/Slip/F.T opener, and we knew we were in for a nice ride. Too much to relay and reflect on...so I will just say, take what Mickey said to heart...take this good feeling out into our communities...build on the dream...live your life like the planet depended on you.
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    I'm sure I"m not the only one, but after listening all night on Saturday and hearing Phil do his donor rap, then hearing Mickey come out and thank the crew...I just couldn't help but feel sad that this tour was done. Like the others before me - THANK YOU BOYS FOR A REAL GOOD TIME. I can't even put into words what this band and this community means to me, and I just feel extremely blessed to be a part of it. Nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile!~Tam
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    Just have to say I loved reading your post, just loved it! I read it and re-read it twice. That's what it's all about, and I love how you only got a few hours of sleep and woke up the next morning feeling more relaxed than you had in some time. Great post!!!!~Tam
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    i had an event AFTER the show, that ruined it for me, i held off ofr 5 days, to get it resolved, but.... my wife got sick at shoreline, RockMed, the heros they are, got my wife to ambulance, right after the encore, i bought wristband, picked up CD in time, b4 ambulance left, well... the 3rd disc dont play, i missed the 2nd half of 2nd set 2x sofar. the CD only has dead.net listed as contact info, they tell me on phone they dont FIX venue sold items. WHO DOES?? how do i get the 1/3rd of this show i paid for, and the recording wont play? why does it take 5 days for dead.net to still not have answers for me on how to replkace this disc, other then REBUYING the download for $15 more!! this is what the opperator told me, at dead.net i didnt buy a download, i bought a concert bought, pressed CD. i spent good cash for it, all i want is what i paid for, thank you. if not, return my $25 for this half a show, and i will stop going to shows alltogether. me and my wife collectively have over 200 shows behind us, this is the ONLY bad exp i got from 20+ years of going to your shows. is it so hard to step up, and give a bit of service to those who pay your bills, lines your pocket, the fans.
  • JackstrawfromC…
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    Nice story Supertacks! As I sit in a hotel in Montana, 500 miles from home I am still dazed. We had so much fun and I felt like I did 20 years ago. Being stuck in the rat race I really needed this tour for many reasons and on many levels beyond just seeing a concert. Here are some of my highlights of my 10 days of craziness: * Walking into the Pepsi Center and everyone is just going nuts - hooting and hollering, we weren't even inside yet!! * The Denver acoustic set and especially Deep Elem Blues was so so good * Taking my daughter and wife to Shoreline for the 20 anniversary of my first show at ... Shoreline!! What a feeling dancing with my little girl in the same place I first danced 20 years ago * Help Slip Franklin opener ... St Stephen the 11 encore * SHOOT!! Couldn't make it to LA but from what I heard from folks in the lots it was super sick. * Now on to Shoreline May 14. This show folks was so good. The best post-Jerry show by faaaaaar. And I would say maybe one of the top 10 Grateful Dead /The Dead shows ever. Seriously I will stand here and defend that statement that it was was one of the best shows I have EVER seen. You can read my earlier review but when they were playing Fire all of Shoreline was in one wave of cosmic trippy dancing it was so beautiful and it reminded me of back in the day * Getting a 70 year old super cool lady high for her first time at Shoreline * The fire dancers doing their thing to Mickey's thunder * Seeing the Gorge *Hearing Dire Wolf and Althea and Eyes * I will say this about the Gorge though - it was like the boys finished shoreline and were like "oh shit we still have to play the gorge" * I am a new huge fan of Warren he had me in tears several times this tour. Just as one girl was shouting as she marched through the campground at the Gorge - "Warren - Motherfucking - Haynes!!! ORDER OF MY FAV SHOWS: 1.2ND SHORELINE 2. DENVER 3. 1ST SHORELINE 4. GORGE Thanks for a real good time and please come on tour again!! Can't wait for Ratdog this summer! Thank you all for your wonderful vibes!!! I felt them!! "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
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    Closing thoughts on the Spring Tour I am 45 now. Up until 04 I had not been to a “Dead” show or derivative of since 90 or 91. I was 27, 28’ish in 91. I caught on at age 18-19 at City Island in Harrisburg in 82 but didn’t get going until 83. Back then I was still wondering around aimlessly not even understanding that I had not found my niche in life yet. I knew I was not confident within certain groups or types of people and in certain situations but beyond that was just a punk kid. I was going to lots of different types of conerts back then and none hit me like a Grateful Dead show. The reason was that this was one place I could go where I felt I was not being judged by anyone and had no expectation to live up to. Of course I did not realize that then, but that was really the thing for me that made it a great place to go. I gre up during that period and carried on until 91. i took in 100+ plus shows in the time. Fast forward to 04. I went to see The Dead at Montage Mountain for Nostalgic purposes. They were 20 minutes from my house so it was low maintenance. It was great fun and the music was good. If I had to go further I would have said fuck it. I didn’t go there with the high expectations or expecting it to be like it used to be. I had a great time, got home to bed, and was asleep by 11:30. I listened to Jack Johnson the next day. Fast forward to 08. A good bud works at the Bryce Jordan in State College and emails me way ahead of public knowledge telling me the Dead are doing an Obama benefit. I figured fuck it I’ll go. I got tickets, then totally realized the historic significance of the show among the community, but it wasn’t that big a deal to me. I get to the show and am blown away. November 08 – The Kirby Center in Wilkes-Barre is a small and beautiful theater in WB. They are my client. Bob Weir is doing a show there and my phone rings that morning. It’s the promoter, he is having computer problems and needs help. I say “Let me grab my hat and I’ll be right there” They are across the street from my office so I am onsite in 4 minutes. I casually let him know I was at the Bryce Jordan show and he smiles and says let me put two comps at Will Call for you tonight. I had no plans on going. My wife goes with me and the show is killer. Fast forward to Spring 09 The economy is in the shitter, I know of 5 or 6 people who have lost their jobs who are extremely talented. There is little good news and everyone is stressed to the max. The Tour is announced and The Dead books Wilkes-Barre. That’s my building, I do ALL the tech work there so of course I gotta go. WB has no idea what they are in for and don’t open the lot until 4. It’s a full fledge spring tour so the busses were dusted off, tuned up and the caravan is in high gear. The community sets up in the Walmart parking lot up the street. The scene is small but cool. Same ole, same ole, but has a really different feel than the 04 show. The 04 show felt like a reunion show for nostalgic purposes only. This was different. The show itself was good, not great, but good enough for me to check out some other shows online. As it turns out the WB set list was my least favorite of the tour so far. I start to get the itch to go to Philly where I didn't miss a show through the 80's Fuck me. We get in town at 2:00 and it’s just going off. I find myself saying stuff and hearing stuff that hasn’t entered even my most remote thoughts in 20 years. As soon as we pull in I looked at my bro-in-law and said “Lets pour a beer and head over to Shakedown Street for some eats” I am immediately floored because I haven’t thought about Shakedown in that wqay forever. I talked to too many people to count. Many now corporate guys with old shirts on and many hippies, some that came in community busses just like the old days. No one is talking about the economy, Iraq, school shootings, swine flu, the crime rate, the financial crisis, GM, Chrysler, housing, none of it. Everyone is smiling, speculating on the final Set List for the Spectrum. There is much talk of the first “Dew” on the tour. Much talk of the first "Samson and Delilah” on the tour. I had my Hershey 85 shirt on. No less than 20 people stopped me to talk about Terrapin in the rain. There was tie dye, crystals, falafel, burritos, balloons, curry, BO, Patchoulie, much sweet smelling smoky stuff etc. All the symbolic stuff was point on. The vibe was just incredible. If they tour again I will be there. At 45 what I got out of it was every bit as fun as it used to be. I was not there to cut loose without fear of judgment like back in the old days. My life is well defined now and I am comfortable in my skin. But it was soul cleansing and therapeutic to rinse off the stress of everything going on in my 45 year old world. There was this total sense of release from everyone there who was doing the same thing. After just one afternoon and evening . . . (Got home and 3:00 a.m., shower was mandatory) asleep at 3:30 and still woke up Sunday morning feeling more relaxed and fresh than after a week’s vacation and I still feel that today. I haven't listened to anything but the Dead since May 2nd. I DL'ed every show on this tour, stayed up way too late checking out the streams, met tons of new peeps online and have just had a blast. I think we get so caught up in our lives, families, children, responsibilities, and the expectations everyone around us sets for us, that it’s hard to do stuff like this without feeling irresponsible. I am fortunate in that I have a wife who urges me to go have some fun and blow off some steam. I pick and choose very carefully where I use these opportunities and only use the hall pass once or maybe twice a year. He'll I don't even golf. She knows this, so when I bring something up she knows it’s for real. It’s so nice to be able to do something you know, really puts your wife out for a day and she is still supportive and encouraging. There is still nothing like a Dead Show. If several circumstances did not happen that made it easy or convenient for me to get re-acquainted I never I would have. I am not sorry there are more shows on this tour I can’t go too, but truly appreciate the ones I did. I am back in the daily grind now, and the grind is rolling off me like water on a well waxed car. It is so amazing to me that this scene evolved the way it did, and survived. If you look at the era in which we live, it is one of the most unusual occurrences going and I am honored and blessed to have had the opportunity to particpate. God bless the Grateful Dead and everyone that is a part of it. You people are as much responsible for this as the music. I will miss this tour, can't wait for the news of another, and am off to have another grate day!
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    Poetic, heartfelt, and multiple times; as usual!!!!!!!!! Love you bro! ********************************** Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. Mark Twain
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    Well, found myself tismorning listening to the last show on this tour.(sigh) The boys have definately outdone theirselves on this tour. I hate to see it come to an end. Im keeping my fingers crossed for a fall tour. Listening to the last show, I found some tears running down my face. (tears of joy) I just want to say thank you Mickey, Bill, Bobby, Phil, Warren, and Jeff for all the joy and happyness you guys gave us on this tour. Made alot of new friends here on dead.net and in the Philly lot. Thank you Dead.net and thank you Marye for your knowledge and trouble shooting on this site. I hope to see all of you on a fall tour:) God Bless you all and God Bless The Grateful Dead!!!! Peace- Moye
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    Well, found myself tismorning listening to the last show on this tour.(sigh) The boys have definately outdone theirselves on this tour. I hate to see it come to an end. Im keeping my fingers crossed for a fall tour. Listening to the last show, I found some tears running down my face. (tears of joy) I just want to say thank you Mickey, Bill, Bobby, Phil, Warren, and Jeff for all the joy and happyness you guys gave us on this tour. Made alot of new friends here on dead.net and in the Philly lot. Thank you Dead.net and thank you Marye for your knowledge and trouble shooting on this site. I hope to see all of you on a fall tour:) God Bless you all and God Bless The Grateful Dead!!!! Peace- Moye
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The band says Happy New Year with an announcement of almost twenty shows in April and May.  More details to come!

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that sucks that scalpers write off the ticket amount, rather than get people into a show.....I always wondered about that.....
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Does anyone know how to get the access code to purchase tickets?
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There are currently 374 users and 1226 guests online. "You know it's gonna get stranger, so let's get on with the show!"
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I just attempted to set up a new account so I could get a new verification code just in case that is the access code. It wouldn't let me do it even with a new user name & password. Can't change the email address.
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One post mentions just before they go onsale?????
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Your access code is how many shows you saw with Jerry alive, minus the times you saw the Other Ones, or The Dead divided by your security code on the back of your credit card... It appears that if you are registered in the ticket page, you will have access to the presale at noon EST no code, just get yer ass all reg'd up on the site...go! Do it! Now!
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You know who is gonna get screwed? Any head that buys extra tickets for the show and has someone cancel out on them. Because, when you're at the arena and have an extra $100 ticket or even a pair of extra's, and you're dealin' with everyone who's looking for a "miracle", you're gonna eat a lot of your money. Even Madison Square Garden is going to have extra's available. I have never been to a show at the Garden for any show (except maybe U2) that didn't have people with extra's. Seeing how the Dead are flooding the NY market, with a Nassau, a NYC and 2 Secaucus shows, there are going to be plenty of tickets available, especially when most NY heads will only get tix for one or maybe two shows... remember... back in the day, we all did the whole NY run... even the 9 show stretch in 88.
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I have a suggestion: save your money. Especially if you can draw upon fine memories of shows past. Lets face it, this is not the same band and these are not the same times. To try to relive them is futile. Even the lot scene has a "been-there-done-that" sort of vibe to it. If you have the means, the money would probably be better spent (and you'll probably have a much better time for a lot less of it) hanging out with some good friends and/or checking out some local music. These hard-working artists could certainly use our support more than these millionares. If you really need a Dead fix, you could always pop in a good bootleg, grab some microbrews or whatever else makes you happy, and have a good-ol' time with your buds (no pun intended ;-) ). Remember, the Dead (and esp. Jerry) never wanted to be about being the center of attention, just the background music for your good time. Even better, if you have this kind of disposable income, I suggest sending some of it to your local food bank or some other organization that will help people less fortunate than you. They could use the $100 a whole lot more, and it will put your love-thy-neighbor ideology to a lot better use than "miracle tickets" or buying t-shirts in the lot with cute sayings on them. These are just suggestions-please no flames, just do what seems right in your heart.
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i thought the access code was = to the number of pounds we've put on minus how much older we are since we last saw them with Jerry..lol
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with this VIP tour package crap? how freakin' elitist can you get? who is dan of consideritdan? i can understand ticket prices to a degree, but i'm reconsidering ordering tickets if this is what has become of "the grateful dead". used to be we all had a good shot at good tickets -- now they're for the folks who have the extra cash. it's really sad.
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I am going to guess that because live nation is running this...the first 20 rows will be 100...just like the allmans at the beacon...they were 150 and the rest were 99......so i bet 90% of the tixs are 55-65 $$ which is fine by me
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the only $50 tix are behind stage at the venues. everything else is the $100 range.
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FYI Just got the word from customer service - no access code
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I've been thinking about this for a bit now, and am realizing some things... a) The Dead are not conscious of the current times we are in b) The venues are probably charging an arm and a leg just for this band to play in them, let alone concession BS and all that. c) BUT, ultimately the decision of what to charge should and DOES come down to the band, because if they chose not to play because of what "their" ticket agency wants people to pay, there would be no show. d) Does that make The Dead corporately controlled? YES e) I'm sure that if asked, they'd say they aren't "down" with the high ticket prices, but then again they need the money (seemingly). f) so, they realize that people will pay to see them no matter what the price g) I REALLY REALLY REALLY wanted to see the Dead. I never got a chance to with Jerry still alive, but luckily have since had the opportunity to catch Rat Dog with Bob Weir twice, and they were FANTASTIC. I'm sure these shows'll be a blast, BUT reasonably considering everything current in my life and in what appears to be the lives of those around me, this IS a joke. h) I won't compare them to other bands as many others here have already done, because they're the Dead! They are %$@%%^ great! If the opportunity still arises, I will see them. Though, I share the sentiments of those who are complaining about ticket prices to some degree because music isn't about money. i) I was going to attend a Spectrum show in Philly. A thought that's buzzed through my mind is "What if I buy a ticket to the one of two shows there that they end up cancelling due to a lack of ticket sales?" Not saying that'll happen, but seriously, that would suck. j) My band (not that I currently have one) would play for people for hours at 5 bucks a head, and have people just as ecstatically released as the Dead would, if not more. Hell, we'd even cover a dead song or two if that'd please you (it would please us too). Seriously, this REALLY IS a JOKE! But, to everyone who is definitely going to be attending, HAVE A BLAST! If I can, I will still go and I'll be dancing with yous. -G
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How cheap are the tickets there at US? $100 doesnt sound that high. 75 euros it is. Its normal price for a top band/ artist here in europe.
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where are the seating charts/prices? I am just seeing price 1 and 2, but it's not saying where the seats are located.
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Does that mean there is no password and we just purchase through the company handling the tickets @ Noon
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my nerves are so on end i got the shits. Anybody hearing this darkstar from 11/1/68 on the dead channel? wow
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Other way around I believe.Most of the tickets will be 100, and backstage and way in the back will be 65
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They said the "buy tickets" link would become available on the ticketing page during the pre-sale.
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Click on the "more information" button and there's a link for the seating chart, at least there is for Verizon Ctr. Sometimes we live no particular way but our own
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just ordered 2 at MSG...took about an hour, fairly hassle free...
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I'm very disappointed in the almost $100 price per ticket. A very large number for the average working man. I don't know if I will be able to see any of the NY/NJ shows this time around. Bummer.
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Haven't been able to order a single ticket yet. Its been an hour of watching my "winblow" browser stall. What a fiasco. I'll give it a bit more and then just do mail order. Fug it
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have had 3 tickets sitting in my cart for about 45 mins, but have not yet been able to check out. well, at least they haven't disappeared from my cart yet. that is when i'm going to be highly annoyed
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I had a feeling this place was going to go down and posted in here just when it did..It didn't even pick up my comment.. That was very stressful but I did get my lawn seats for Shoreline..It took awhile but patience prevailed...I hope Southerntam got hooked up along with the true fans that have socialized and kept this place fresh the last few weeks
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I got my tickets, but i was clicking blindly. Some of the boxes were blacked out and the buttons were x's. When you scrolled over them they all said the same thing for the address. Damn, nerve racking. opted for the cheaper(<----lol) ticket in d.c. got upper tier, but got the floor section 2 the next night in virginia. Took about an hour also, was pulling my hair out 12:05 and settled down a bit when 12:20 rolled by.
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got in at noon and all the lowers were gone...section 300 but I am in and HAPPY
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It took me over 20 minutes the 1st time to check out do to be so slow and then at the end it said I allowed to much time to elapse..WTF..If it dowes that to you just empty your cart and start over so you don't have to start from square one
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So what's the deal? Are tickets actually getting bought or does the system keep crashing? Was waiting almost an hour in the "waiting area" and then it started to flaking out and I lost my connection. Back in the waiting room and still waiting. What is everyone else's experience?
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likewise, 2 tix in cart and waiting on checkout....45 minutes or morethey're seats worth waiting for at least, fingers crossed "if you get confused..."
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They seem to be unable to handle the volume. Just popped in 6/16/85 to help ease the frustrations. 8)
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I just received word that musictoday is running commadore64 servers! This could take weeks people!
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like everyone else, it was kind of slow and it took about a total of 40 minutes for me...i first requested 4 floor seats at the Forum on 5/9 but it came back and said no floor seats were available. I went back and requested 4 loge tix and got them...should be OK with the seats. while it took a long time, it did keep moving for me and was about the same as any other extremely popular presale that i've been through online. it will be interesting to see how many tickets remain after today's initial rush...
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This ticket process is a fiasco. You boys have lost it, letting this type of thing happen. I couldn't/still can't get in. However, I was able to go see literally thousands of tickets available on places like stubhub right at 12 Noon Eastern. However, I would have had to pay over $400 for an upper bowl section at All State Arena. I've seen the Dead over 50 times in my life, starting in 1977. No more. Where's Jerry when we need him?
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I didn't connect through the link on this site, since my company's content filter was blocking anything with "musictoday" in the title. Somehow got in through the registration page, and then the wait was on. Heaven help anyone trying for multiple shows this way. Now I can't wait to see if my seats are real. The venue map that I'm looking at shows floor seats 1-12 in each section...I've got 13 and 14. Huh? Slowest online ticket experience I've had since dial-up. The ticketing site was definitely overwhelmed....I expect crap seats after the wait, but still scored 10 row. Again, assuming that the seats really exist. Good luck to all and see you at the show!
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i tried in one browser after the screen wouldn't let me update my delivery method and it reset everything to zero with no way of getting it back. by the time i got back in i had lost my sweet upfront seats and had to settle for nose bleeds. atleast i had two browsers going so i got better seats for the second show.ALSO, if you have two browsers going DONT enter card info on both---they read off of eachother. once seats are confirmed in one browser they'll show up in your cart of the other. I don;t want to see anyone get double charged
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This process is a nightmare. The only people that got tickets are the scalpers that are selling them on Craigs List already... What about doing MAIL ORDER again, it worked for many years Still amazed they were not prepared for the internet traffic. this really sucks !
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It took an hour, but I just got two tix for the Denver show. We'll probably be in the ceiling but I don't care! Listen to the river sing sweet songs to rock my soul.... Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right...
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What does that mean ?? I was thinking they maybe unprepared for the volume today especially when I saw over 3,500 people viewing the forums..Shoreline for 4 lawn seats which I wanted including 2 day UPS was 197.50 total..I figured that was a grate deal
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I went to order tix for the next night, ended up changing my mind and hit the shopping cart. It let me check out, took my credit card # and then wrote me this! They were the ones taking forever NOT ME! Unable to process your order, you have exceeded the allowed amount of time to purchase some of your tickets. The following tickets have expired, please remove them from your basket and place your order again. * The Dead (DCU Centre) 4/18/2009 7:30:00 PM - Upper P2$65.00 USD
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Demand is currently very high and you have landed in the waiting area. Do not refresh your screen as you will lose your place in line. As current requests are finalized, those in the waiting area will gain access to the ticketing page. Thank you for your patience. Anybody else at this window and waiting?
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im only 24 so i was to young to enjoy the greatful dead with jerry. however i did see The Dead in 2004 for a two night set that was totaly mind blowing. i already have tickets for the greensboro show and cant wait to see them again. when i saw them in 2004 i was unable to find anything in the parking lot to help with the visuals if you know what i mean. my friends wanted to get right in so i didnt have time to look around. does anyone think ill have a problem finding stuff to make this show really out of this world?
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im only 24 so i was to young to enjoy the greatful dead with jerry. however i did see The Dead in 2004 for a two night set that was totaly mind blowing. i already have tickets for the greensboro show and cant wait to see them again. when i saw them in 2004 i was unable to find anything in the parking lot to help with the visuals if you know what i mean. my friends wanted to get right in so i didnt have time to look around. does anyone think ill have a problem finding stuff to make this show really out of this world?
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im only 24 so i was to young to enjoy the greatful dead with jerry. however i did see The Dead in 2004 for a two night set that was totaly mind blowing. i already have tickets for the greensboro show and cant wait to see them again. when i saw them in 2004 i was unable to find anything in the parking lot to help with the visuals if you know what i mean. my friends wanted to get right in so i didnt have time to look around. does anyone think ill have a problem finding stuff to make this show really out of this world?
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at least we are getting tix. try getting red sox playoff tix in recent years--you sit in the waiting room for 3-6hrs for them to say sold-out
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great. had decent seats IN MY SHOPPING CART then went to browse more and the tickets no longer remained in my cart. pissed. will any of the public sale tickets be decent?
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But i got flr. 2 section q in virgina, they want $400 something for same section on stub hub, got mine for $93 with ups 2 day air<---only because i was afraid to pick another delivery method and have to wait for the page to load again or something.
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I got my three for Wilkes Barre. Finally. It took 55 minutes, numerous page-not-founds, timeouts and locked screens, but I'm going! Was going to try for floor seats, but after all that time, I expected I would get last row floor or yet another error page and I'd rather a decent mid-level than that. Most stressful ticket experience I've ever had on the net. What were they thinking??!! Oh, well, now just 3 more months to wait to get in there and shake my bones!!!