Grateful Dead

Hard to believe what I'm reading here AWEST27. You obviously don't know much about the Dead. Chumps & Losers... Go far, far away and see Phish then!

You can find recording of The Dead by going here: http://bt.etree.org/?searches=&cat=11 And here are recordings of The Other Ones: http://bt.etree.org/?searches=&cat=131 "When it comes to humility, I'm the greatest!" - Bullwinkle Moose

DRUMHEAD. Did you get your name from banging your head against the wall as a child? Stopped counting after my 500th show. Don't need some poser who didn't even see Jerry telling me about the Dead. The Greedful Dead(Phil, Bob, Mickey and Billy) are in it for the money only. If you want to be played for a fool, that's your problem, not mine. Never saw Phish.

You probably complained at all 500+ shows about the ticket prices so whats changed. 1969 Damn 5 bucks for the dead what a ripoff 1979 Damn 10 bucks for the dead what a ripoff 1989 Damn 20 bucks for the dead what a ripoff 1999 Damn 50 bucks for "the other ones" what a ripoff 2009 Damn 100 bucks for the dead what a ripoff Like I said in a previous post, Leave the yurt and the commune for a few minutes. You'll see nothing is cheap. Not that it really matters as you probably complain about the prices of everything. Gas, electricity, beer, smoke. Better yet stay on the commune as no one on here wants to hear 1 single word of complaint from you.

Much obliged! awww fellas! play nice, no need for personal attacks. Why get mad at each other for something neither of you can control? deep breath, count backwards, listen to music or whatever it is that brings you peace and tranquility. now isnt that better?

AWEST27 - Mean People Suck! Ever wonder why JGB didn't quite get the Dead sound. Hey they sounded great and I loved JGB but it's Jerry, And Bob, And Phil, And Billy, And Mickey that made the Grateful Dead. It was a musical conversation between the 5 of them along with whichever keyboard player they had. The bus came by and I got on... again! If the bus stopped for you when Jerry died then so be it. But doggin' on 4/5's of The Grateful Dead because ticket prices are higher... Please take your negative comments somewhere else.

GROUP HUG.......AHHHHHHHHH...now every one come down......just cause you don't agree with some one dos'nt mean you have to attack them....we must be the chabge in the world we want to see

jayhawkfrank Didn't have to pay for most. Most respectable deadheads didn't. Didn't you ever hear of passes? That's where chumps like you come in. Somebody has to pay. Don't be so jealous of the fact that I saw the REAL dead, not the Greedful Dead. Bobby, Phil, Mickey and Billy were counting on fools like you. Way to go.

"I have no problem with ticket prices. I do have a problem with ineptitude."--tuned88 My sentiments exactly. I got through to the ticket order page (no waiting room) 15 minutes after the sale started. I tired to order ONE ticket for MSG floor. it said that it could not fufill my request, try a lower number of tickets (which would have been ZERO, heh heh) or try a different section. I got the same response for the 100 section. I don't think the floor or the 100 section sold out in the first 15 minutes, although it's possible. I just think that the site was totally inadequate and unprepared for this presale, which is confirmed by the stories here. I particularly feel sorry for the people who were on the cusp of getting their tickets, only to be told that they had timed out, through no fault of their own. So I sent in a MO to GDTS TOO for my shot at one ticket to MSG.

DRUMHEAD What about "Don't need some poser who didn't even see Jerry telling me about the Dead" did you not understand. These chumps are NOTHING w/o Jerry. Anyone who would be stupid enough to argue that never saw the Grateful Dead. Do you think they would have broken up if Bobby died? No way. Sorry that you never got to see the Grateful Dead. Tough break.

What is your problem with yurts and communes? If people choose a lifestyle they should not be mocked in this forum. Please stick to the topic and stop insulting people because you disagree with the type of life they choose. I thought part of being involved in this scene was to be open to others and not judge them. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

GRANTED Trey is no Jerry, but lets not knock phish, their music is alot different from the dead, they have there own style like rusred root, or string cheese ..etc... Any dead head should appriciate all types of music. I personally like phishes music, not to pleased with the crowd though, ive been to 3 phish shows and been ripped off in parking lot all three times. I dont hold it against the band though, truth of the matter is theres no LOVE in the crowd. PHISH IS NOT A DEAD SHOW!!!!!!!!! If any guppys are hittn the dead shows, PLEASE leave your BUNK items at home, this is a grateful tour, BE KIND TO ONE ANOTHER, tickets are exspensive enuff, no sense in wasting money in the parking lot on something thats not real!! (YOU REAL HEADS KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT)

I never thought the day would come when people that live outside the mainstream would be mocked by followers of this band. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

awest27 I'm just a Chump, a Loser and I'm sooo jealous... of you! That's too kind! Oh and you're the hardcore 500+ shows, most respectible Deadhead! Good for you! It's too bad that whatever peaceful community there was and still is is lost on your spiteful meanderings. Whatever bus you got on wasn't the same one I got on!

So... It's been 14 years since my last Dead show - I saw Mickey once a few years ago, and that was cool, but have spent more time being a parent and struggling to get by than being a DeadHead and getting down over the years. So I got pairs of "well, at least I'm in the show" tix for Fri in Albany and Sun in Worcester. Just physically didn't have the bread to get the good seats. so I am in the nose bleeds in Albany and side stage in Worcester. Yeah the price is too high for any band, let alone a "Dead" band without Jerry and who are pushing 70... but reading the hate and anger here I am a little horrified. Geez folks - these guys let us take their music and trade it for free for over three decades. Think about the money they lost doing that. Seriously... how many people here own a (purchased) copy of Built to Last or Go to Heaven? How many have at least several hundred hours of FREE bootlegs? I still have my Maxells and I still listen to them... When we were all on tour with these guys playing concerts is not how you made money in the music business folks - it is what you did to market your record sales, but we - the whole circus - did things differently, and they fed our fever with constant touring. Think about all the time they spent on the road - they "gave all they had to give, - how much WE'LL never know". There are other factors to consider too... I was at the Albany shows the last time the Grateful Dead played there and it was a mess. An embarrassing mess. I am sure the city of Albany is getting chunk of the pot, and I bet police will be out in force and security will be tight. Another thing to consider is that this is not a single band right now, and the band that will be playing has several different members that each have their own agents, etc. - Blaming the price on Bob is just incredibly outrageously unfair. I remember when ticket prices hit the 30.00 mark I was stunned, but I paid them and I went, and danced and sang, and soothed my soul. That 30 bucks was a greater percentage of my income at the time than even the 100 would be for me now, but perspectives change and so my wife and mother-in-law pitched in to buy tix for two shows for me as a birthday present. They got two tix for each night so I can bring my 15 year old son who has always wished he could have seen them. So I got Miracled - sort of - and it is just sinking in, that feeling I haven't felt in so long - I am going to see the DEAD I couldn't sleep last night...I remember thinking 14 years ago that I would give everything I owned and a couple fingers to see them one more time. Cheap at any price.

Awest27 says: Didn't have to pay for most. Most respectable deadheads didn't. Didn't you ever hear of passes? Guess the passes thing didnt work out huh? Burnt some bridges with that "Cooler then thou" attitude. While you search for some passes I'll be IN the show jammin to the tunes. P.S. Most respectable DeadHeads don't mind supporting their band.

awest27 - forgive me if I didn't see 500+ shows. I held a job through the past 30 years and it only allowed me to see 69 Grateful Dead shows - I justed didn't feel the need to justify myself to you.

about this notion of "respectable Deadhead"?!?!? :-)

Everyone stfu already, jeeze, everyone's here b/c they love the GOGD w/ Jerry and also love and appreciate the boys sans Jerry. Tickets are a tad exorbitantly high and that's an issue this first time back. Maybe they'll come around again and heed some of what they are hearing and come down a bit but it is what it is and we all will have to adjust accordingly. Of and did I say stfu in advance? And that I love the Grateful Dead? Oh, OK, yes I do. Thanks. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -enjoyin' the ride -There'll never be another Jerry

Peace!And a big HUG for awest27!

Only looking at ticket prices-- How can you not compare the Dead and The Phish. Both are doing a return to glory tour, both have deep roots in the community and both are what pretty much drive the community these days. Who else is bigger or was bigger then the Phish or the Dead?? So for one band who is all accounted for to charge 49.50 and the other who is missing a key element and has thus been replaced by Borin' Warren of all people (WTF!!!???!!!) to charge 75 it just seems as though someone screwed up big time. oops, there goes the boat, I messed up.

It would be interesting if they toured together. MAYBEY IN A PERFECT WORLD. The parking lot would be off the hook, or it could be a complete disaster. LONG LIVE THE REMAINING MUSICIANS!!!!

JAYHAWKFRANK You just don't get it. I wouldn't see the Greedful Dead if they paid me. Understand? Is that simple enough for you, Mr. Judgment. I loved the way you mocked people that live outside the mainstream. I thought that was what the Dead did. But, it reveals your true colors. My connection was through Jerry. With Jerry gone, who cares about the other leeches who he carried for 30 years. Get it? Deadhead? When did you see the Grateful Dead?

Well said, my friend, well said. We are going to see THE DEAD!!!!!! And I get to bring my 5 year old daughter, and she's so excited! nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile

"Tickets sold through this pre sale are no longer available." No more pre sale tickets ? were there ever tickets? Are they sold out? agh! what should I do?? Charlie Graffeo

I've been reading the posts over the last couple of days about the shows and who's worthy and who saw how many shows. It's not about how many you saw, but how much you appreciated the ones you did see. If you don't want to pay 100 bucks for a ticket, then don't buy one and leave the seats for those of us happy to get in the door. Jerry was precious, but the dead would not have been the dead without Jerry, Bobby, Phil, Mickey, and Billy. You can add your choice of Pigpen, Keith and Donna, Vince, Hornsby etc., each was an intregal part in being the band we all know and love. Remember the definition of the Grateful Dead, and why the guys chose it to begin with. It's about Karma, it's about love, and it's about music. Standing in any arena, amphitheatre, or staduim and hearing EVERYONE in the place clap and sing NFA to the band until they come back for encore is something that you can't explain till you've been there. There was a long time when I couldn't listen to the boys because it hurt too much to miss them. After a good friend got me in to see Phil at the Nokia on Halloween, I've had my favorite shows shuffling for months. It's good to be back, and I'll take it any way I can get it. See you in Chicago and MSG.

Tickets go on sale to the "public" which is in addition to pre-sales. You can also go to Greatfuldeadticketstoo.com and mail order. Good luck.

Can't believe I left out Brent.

I've been to many,many show's. Guess what I'm going to go to another one Yea Buddy!!!

Oh how i loved those Mountains of the Moon with constanten on keys

Awest27 says:When did you see the Grateful Dead? Never as a band but saw all the others hundreds of times. Actually I was hanging with Bobby about 2 years ago at a Ratdog show. And not in some fan experience but as the promoter of the Concert. I am not JUST a Jerry Fan. I am a Grateful Dead Fan. Similarly I even enjoy a DSO show or The Schwag. What are you even doing here anyway? Didn't you just write this: With Jerry gone, who cares about the other leeches who he carried for 30 years.

Forget it jayhawkfrank - Awest27 is just a bitter old soul. I guess in his mind since he's seen 500+ shows that it equates to having more of an authoritarian view of things. It has to be that the boys are a bunch of greedy leeches and that we're a bunch of losers or else he'd be wrong in his sad view of his current state of being. Let him live in the past and give him what he needs... A Big Hug!

Spring may not work out but the fact they're out there gives me hope for humanity. My 1st show was St.Louis in 1970, and even though I will try Chicago, if I don't make it I'll be grateful for all those who do. I mean, they're so many DH's that haven't ever seen the boys, so if my missed seat goes to one of those folks, I'll be dancin' just because of that. Let's all have a grate time, celebrate in joy & love...and Summer at Alpine, please. Steve

For those of you who have seen DSO, IN don't have to tell you that if you close your eyes you would swear jerrys on stage. IN wouldn't mind seeing the lead singer of DSO sitting in on a show or 2, it would probably be a dream of John K. PS. THANK YOU DARK STAR ORCHESTRA FOR ALL THE BEAUTIFUL MEMORYS AT NELSONS LEDGES!!!!!

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All this comparison to other bands and price talk " They are not the best at what they do they are the only ones that do what they do" IMO while the "core four" have slipped somewaht recently their is NO denying that the product they deliver is awe inspiring. Case in point dating back to Bobby and Tom C at tower theater shortly after jerry passed, too SPAC july 4th in the rain, red rocks shows 03 and 04, little schoolgirl in AZ 04, Shoreline to end the 04 tour. AND yes i saw "jerry" over 75 times ...if you cup is empty... if your cup is full may it be again

Awest27 - a member for 4 hours and 7 mins and still bitchinhis Interests DEAD, don't you mean Jerry.......

Playing it right now, and its awsome. kinda resembles the early 70's shows, most of the shows are jamed out like 15 min or more. Minus jerrys singing you couldnt ask for more, it seems to be more crisp and with more energy than the last dead shows in the 90's. If its any sign of whats to be with this tour, than the music will be great. It would be cool if they did like DSO does and pick a past set list and play it, preferably from 73' since there tended to be alot of shows with 3 sets. I wasnt happy about the prices either but you wont regret it when your at the show, from now untill april is plenty of time to adjust your life style and be able to put some money back. Quit going out to eat, dont buy name brand food, hault all purchases besides bills, theres countless ways of coming up with the money. Think about the last thing you really needed or wanted but didnt really have the money to get it but you managed to aquire it. Most things are possible if you got enough gumption.

RUSTED ROOT & HOT TUNA opened, i'd love to get the columbus,ohio show. If anyone has any info on gettnthat show, please let me know

most of the songs are jamed out like 15 min or more. not shows, that wouldnt be no fun

If you're lucky enough to go, just close your eyes, open your mind and let your soul breathe...For God's sake, enjoy.

It's the 30th anniversary of this show, so I slapped it in the player. I suggest folks do the same, if only to hear Bobby explain that Phil had been taken by aliens during the intermission! The I Need A Miracle > Shakedown Street second set opener is very high energy! "When it comes to humility, I'm the greatest!" - Bullwinkle Moose

Ok, I have to put my two cents in now. Look, I've been shown the light many times through all kinds of music. That's the point....MUSIC. "People can you feel it, LOVE is in the air!" It doesn't matter if it's the Allman Bros, Phish, 311, James Brown, Big Brother and The Holding Company, Dave Matthews, Primus, (my fav) The Grateful Dead, Ratdog, Hank Williams, Ben Harper, Phil & Friends, Pearl Jam, Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Merle Haggarand, The Beatles, and the list goes on and on and on! I t's not about being nasty to each other, hurling remarks to people, complaining, and projecting negative energy to rooms. That's why the Grateful Dead have shown me so much....we are all not perfect, we are all fucked up in some way, we are all good people at the same time. All of us carry a big torch showing people that you can have love for your brothers and sisters of this bright blue ball spinning, regardless of the other shit. It's about listening to the MUSIC and using what you need from it and leaving the rest. BE KIND. I actually like Phish the band....hate the parking lots and don't feel all the people there are true, but it's good music. That's why "Our" band is so special, there are dicks everywhere, but "Our" band brings us together like no one else before. "Our" band has taught many people after them to actually play music from the heart. "Our" band brings out the goo balls and grilled cheese sandwiches in people. LOVE. So please, pretty please with sugar on top show them that YOU are the EYES of the WORLD! <<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!

Beavis & Butthead. You and your loser friend, jayhawkfrank, are the most hilarious imbeciles on this board. You have NEVER seen the Grateful Dead, but you have the audacity to tell others that which you did not and will not experience. Bummer. You're the ones we used to laugh at at shows. Are you sure you are not a cop? You both certainly sounds like one. jayhawkfrank - maybe you should stick to insulting those who live outside of the mainstream, like the Dead. hypocrite.

That's just wrong

I waded through a spate of postings from the last two days and have never seen so much negative energy. Until I read your note and a few right before it, I thought I was in some sort of bizarro world, not the dead.net boards. Hope you can see a few shows in this tour. For my part, I never intended to go anywhere near the on-line pre-sales thing. A Luddite at heart, I dutifully sent off a couple of brightly-colored envelopes to the friendly crew at GDTS, and I trust they'll take care of my friends and me (we're aiming for the two shows in Philly). Ticket prices? Higher than they used to be, for sure, but what isn't? Hell, I've gotta get from MN to PA and back, so tickets are the least of the expenses I've gotta deal with. But it'll get done, one way or another. Oh well, sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ One man gathers what another man spills...

re: 1/15/79 (streamline) Yeah - listening to it now. All good. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -enjoyin' the ride -There'll never be another Jerry

sat May 2 - sec 208 row 5 seats 11 and 12.

awest - and you're the Authority of all that is known about The Grateful Dead because you've seen 500 shows. Calling Bobby, Phil, Mickey & Billy greedy leeches that Jerry carried for 30 years. Face it, You're not a Deadhead... at least not one anymore... if ever. The bus has dropped you off pal and rightfully so. You're an asshole!

Sailor, Thanks for your kind post. I get goose bumped just thinking about this Chitown show....and who knows if I make it home for Shoreline. Wish I could perchance to dream and see the boys in Philly with you! I do know, that if we were in a parking lot together the peverbial Dark Stars would align and I would meet kind people. Have fun my brother and maybe we'll find the same path to unlimited devotion. _________________________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!