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  • Kate_C.
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    Pig - endings

    It's late on a Sunday and that means bed soon, but since my quick reply to TD's inquiry below, I've been further thinking about the tragedy of Pig - and I certainly think of it that way despite the manifest personal responsibility for the consequences of near incessant alcohol abuse from a young age. It's a spiraling decline that seems particularly pathos-laden given the picture of a gentle, genial man that emerges from all the familiar documentary sources.

    I take notes or attempt to catalogue page references by subject from my little library of the Dead, but realize I've done a poor job on this particular subject - and certainly during the general time frame implied by TD's question. So, I wanted to share a couple relevant - and heartbreakingly poignant - passages from Jackson's "Garcia/American Life" that I've revisited since:

    First, McIntire speaking: "I remember one day Garcia coming into my office and saying, 'Look, I'm really worried about Pig. I think his life is in danger, and I want to do whatever we can. The band'll pay for everything. Let's find out if there's anything we can do.' So I researched it and I found out the most famous place in the world for liver problems was Sheila Sherlock's clinic in London. But my doctor, Sandor Bernstein, said there was a guy at UCSF [University of California and San Francisco] who was as good. So we slotted Pig with him. And Pig jumped in and did, too. He stopped drinking and he learned all the things about nutrition that he could. He really tried, but it was too late."

    And second: "[On the tour] he rode on the hard bus, this Danish bus, which was sort of like the crew bus," Annette Flowers said. "It was the quieter of the two buses usually. Pigpen lived on the back bench of that bus. ... I think that trip sort of sunk it for him; put him over. It was really grueling in a lot of ways." "He got knocked off that bench five or six times," Rock Scully recalled. "He rolled off that bench and a couple of times he really hurt himself I could see it; he really hurt his kidneys and bruised himself. I'd have to help him off the bus."

    "He really tried, but it was too late." A short, simple statement, but one that can put fault lines in even a strong foundation. I recall reading that Pig sent Veronica away as his condition became increasingly acute, which, in light of other information, clearly underscores what a lonely and frankly terrifying period those final 12-18 months must have been for that kindhearted soul./K

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    I posted this in the taper forum, but thought this may be the better spot (also, patience is not a virtue of mine). I am sure this exists in written form somewhere, I just can't seem to find it.

    What is the official band policy for trading in shows that have been officially released? Specifically, I am wondering about the ones that were released officially but are out of print. Seems to me that if they are not for sale currently, we would not be costing the band money by trading those shows. In fact, the only folks it would cost are those selling the out of print releases at a profit on the secondary market. Just curious what the official policy is on this considering the volume of official releases these days.

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    Yes. I suspect Pig was resting from his short reunion tour with the band in December '71 and fortifying his commitment to sobriety in what had to have been an unfathomably difficult lifestyle change (if not in terms of medical necessity, then certainly in practice).

    "Ace" was recorded from January - March '72, but recall that Pig's alcohol-related health problems forced a touring hiatus in August '71 that culminated with hospitalization in September for bleeding ulcers, hepatitis, and spleen problems. He was only able to rejoin the Dead beginning early December in Boston, at which time I recall Phil describing Ron as shockingly frail in his book. Not surprisingly, Pig's contributions are limited, and while progressively more energetic throughout the month (at least to my ears), they are still anemic by historical standards; though by NYE he sounds beat.

    In retrospect, it's a miracle that the Dead community (once and future) got Pig back in functional form for the brilliantly recorded European tour, especially given how quickly he dropped off radar for related health problems afterward.

    EDIT: And yes, "sabbatical" serves as a neat and entirely appropriate bit of shorthand in conversation among those who know....

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    essentially it was a dead album with everyone on board contributing except for Micky who was on a sabbatical, (as i see it) and Pig, why wasnt Pig contributing? was he too sick at the time?

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    RE: NYE '69

    CC, your post invites a bit of confusion by suggesting that you saw both the Dead and TSOC on the same NYE bill at Winterland in '69; though 50 years is an understandably long time. It's hard to imagine, but the Dead were not playing on a West Coast home field that December 31st, and were rather in the midst of an odd eastbound triptik that took them to Dallas on 12/26, Hollywood (FL) on 12/28, and the Boston Tea Party on 12/29-30, while closing out at the Fillmore East on 1/2-3/70.

    Indeed, the '69 NYE playbill on the poster you linked does not name the Dead. So TSOC and the GoGD were on opposite coasts at the decade's close. In any event, here's a link to a CM SBD for the Dead's '69 NYE show:
    https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1969/12/31?source=87994

    Incidentally, I couldn't find a poster for Boston NYE, but here's one from the night before (it would appear the promo dept. missed the spirit of the "grateful" dead; you'd think an impossibly early incarnation of Maiden was playing that night!):
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YQBsfGwVEeo/TUSkqEWWy3I/AAAAAAAARQs/qRvbGdWK_…

    However, you are correct that the Dead played NYE '70 at Winterland, but, consistent with the playbill cited in Deadbase50, the following promo poster does not show TSOC on the same stage, but rather NRPS, "assorted friends" (apparently Hot Tuna), and Stoneground (note also, "lights by Little Princess 109").
    https://img0.etsystatic.com/030/0/8448089/il_570xN.542921874_q4nc.jpg

    Checking Deadbase, here's a link to what seems the complete NYE '70 show; however, it appears to be mix of AUD and FM broadcast that provides poor sound quality through Cumberland (even so, the Truckin' opener is well worth a listen), but thankfully improves in time for the set's highlights at Cryptical and China>Rider through close at UJB.
    https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1970/12/31?source=88719

    Regardless of which show you attended, either would've been a great way to kick off your own personal attendance record! Got a story?/K

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  • DaveStrang
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    You may want to post this on the Dave's Picks 31 thread so more people see it. Most folks are there.

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    I can not find the 1st GD…

    I can not find the 1st GD show I attended anywhere in GD archives. No GD archive lists the same bands that I saw that night, as confirmed by the Sons archive which has the poster from that night:

    <<Wednesday, December 31, 1969: '1969 New Years Eve 1970', Winterland 2000 Post Street at Steiner Street, San Francisco, California
    The band was billed only as 'The Sons' on the poster printed for this show. Also on the bill: Quicksilver Messenger Service, Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna. Lights by Brotherhood of Light. This show, from 8:00pm to 8:00am, was promoted by Bill Graham Presents In San Francisco.>>
    http://brunoceriotti.weebly.com/the-sons-of-champlin.html

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    How do I update my address…

    How do I update my address for my Dave's subscription? Want to make sure #31 gets safely home!

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    limited releases logic explained

    Could you please explain the logic of "limited releases" as it applies to an "alternative" business model, such as the grateful dead" The "limited release" model is a concept taken from the good old music biznezz, in order to promote sales, keep prices high, and maintain collector value of limited products.
    I "missed" the window for daves pick's 30, a rare release from the year 1970, the first show that I recorded 1/3/70. I was disappointed, but managed to get one on a record/cd selling site. I paid double, but I still saved $$$, as I do not want to purchase a "subscription" to the daves picks yearly releases, as I am primarily interested in obtaining music from the 1966-1970 period, and not many releases are from these years. I guess I could always buy a subscription, and then sell off the unwanted items on another site for a profit, which is what this concept does, encourages a "black market". I do not consider this to be "progressive" in the least. I would rather purchase through GDCORP, as I have in the past, but if GDCORP wants to encourage this type of atmosphere, I am forced to participate in order to get what I want, and I am grateful to the sellers who have made it possible to get what I want. But it sure seems contrary to what Jerry's idea of business was.

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Hey now, please tell the boys that David Nelson should be asked to play witj tjem. I believe he was actually an original Warlock. He has played in more bands with Jerry than anyone in the dead. He has similar style as Jerry but not the same. He is also a familiar face that we have known for forty years. Bringing out new people,(Warren, Molo, etc distracts me more than adds to my trip. I wouldn't even know David was there he would fit in so well..
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How can I find a CD or tape from this incredible show? Sirius does a 'set 2 jam' that makes me dance. Any info would be really cool. Thanks, Doug
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hey pitdoug,try archive.org, there is 1 audience you can download and 2 soundboards you can stream!
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HEY MAN THUMBS UP ON LOOKIN' OUT. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO NAVAGATE archive.org BUT I'LL DO MY LEVEL BEST. CHECK THIS SHOW OUT WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE AND GOT THE ENERGY TO DANCE A LITTLE DURING THE 2nd SET. LATER DAZED AND CONFUSED...............................
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I just bought the Winterland boxed set, and I was wondering if there is a poster for that as well. If there is please let me know because I am buying it for my husbands birthday. Kind Regards, Sandi Van De Vere sandit93@yahoo.com
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I don't THINK so, but I'll ask.
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I am new but have no idea where to get help. I was shorted an item with a big order from the store and after many many attempts over the course of a month I can't get anyone with the store to respond to an email or anything. Are there real people working over there and what is a customer to do with a real issue when they won't provide a phone number to use or respond to any email inquiries. Any help to find a live body at the Dead store would be very much appreciated. I hate to give up on them all together and just get a refund from my cc company, but what choice do they leave me. Thank you and happy bird day, Greg
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send me a PM with the order number and reelvant details and I'll pass this to those wo an straighten it out. So sorry for the trouble.
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as we suspected, nope, no poster. Sorry about that!
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go to archive.org, click on "live music archive" (2nd row of boxes)... look at top bar on page, see "grateful dead", click on that and have fun! i like the "this day in grateful dead history" feature! like the zig-zag man says... enjoy!peace
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How do I become eligible for presales?
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Does anybody now of any good ones in northern NJ?
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presale info will be posted very visibly in due course!
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$5,000 that they don't need for awhile?
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What's up with the presale for 09. Trying for Denver, do I use this website or ticketbastard?
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I am also curious about presale and how to do it. I know how to handle mail order but if I can get them easily throught pre-sale I would rather. Anyone have a scoop on it? Thanks
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This might not be the place for this question but, if not I would appreciate some direction. I am trying to learn how to be able to get presale tickets? Thanks for any help.
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check the homepage early and often is my best advice.
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A friend sent me this link for tour tickets. I can not link to it through this site. I also signed up for email notification and have received nothing. The information in this link says they are only accepting money orders. Is this legit or is someone pulling a scam? http://gdtstoo.com/GDTSTOOTheDeadSpring09.html
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Seems like a scam to me... I'm going to wait for info on the website
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is legitimate. It's the descendant of Grateful Dead Ticket Service. They're handling the mail order, which is different from the presale.
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I ahve been using GDTS sine the mid 1980's and never was shut out of a show, they are very legitimite, they have a new addy but Frankie is very good, we will miss Ruby for her love and service for us deadheads!!
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I am trying to help my boyfriend get a book published, with a fresh spin. He has taken hundreds of amzing photos of fans over the years - and has an impressive and interesting collection to share. We have been told that Jill is in charge of all things related to the band and mechandizing. We would like to get some official endorcement if possible - permission to use lyrics - and maybe even have it offered through the official website if possible. He's not looking to make a fortune on it - just feels it's time the photos got out there for others to appreciate. If anyone knows how to contact Jill, I would really appeciate it. I tried Google, but got no-where. And, if she is not the right person and there is someone else - that name and contact info would be equally appreciated. Thanks a lot! Carmen
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for permissions, licensing, etc., go to the Ice Nine Publishing site, www.iceninepublishing.com If you're looking for Jill personally, you'll probably have better luck on phillesh.net.
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Can anyone tell me exactly what "pre-sale" is all about? Can anyone purchase tix at this time? I've searched for answers to this question and come up empty. The only thing I found is the GDTSTOO site which while legitimate looks like a vendor. Is that the only place to go through to get pre-sale tickets? Thanx.
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how does the pre sale work and what is the best way to purchase tickets. remember I am Canadian eh.
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I think this will work for you....http://gdtstoo.com...from that page you can get all the venues and what GDTSTOO will be charging for tickets.......Hope this is not going to be the only option........Even tho this is what we did in tn\the old days...
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Just go to the GDTSTOO site and follow along with the instructions, they even have a u-tube video of the procedure. Lengthy process but like Marye said it's all good, tommorrow is the first day you can mail in, all the letters can not have a post mark before the 13. In the Great White North up here it takes 7 to 10 days by regular mail to reach Cali. So ya gotta send it by Priority post to get it there in time.
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I created an account for the pre-sale, but saw nothing to get an access code - which some info says I need. It's hard to read parts of the instructions cause it's purple print on black background. How do I get an access code and how does the pre-sale work? Please tell me I don't have to go back to mail order and cashiers checks ; ) Help!!!
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I'm also having concerns with the access code....I never got one, so I'm a little nervous....please HELP! Thanks ~kristel
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This is really frustrating! After waiting on the puter for hours, while the musictoday.com website was down, finally got on only to find all presale tix for the showz i needed were UNAVAILABLE. So, back to mail order, and their site is down too, as well as busy circuits on phone for them. I miss the days of yore! :)
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I ordered tickets for D.C. and did not need an access code.
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Hi, I'm trying to purchase tickets to the May 7th show in Denver. I'm disabled, and I need handicap accessible seating. However, when ordering online, I'm unable to specify my seats. Do you know if there is any mechanism in place to order handicap accessible seating as a part of the pre-sale? Is there a phone number I can call?
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Does anyone know if the D.C. show will be an end stage or a center stage? When you look at the Verizon Center seating chart (from ticketsnow) it shows the center one first, but there is also a link for the end stage. Just curious. I'm going to show up either way!!
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I dunno, but I'm trying to find out.
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Dudes, the online pre-sale was a fucking disaster. I played by the rules, took precious time off of work and by the time I was able to log into your system, all seats were sold out. WTF? I want a back stage for me and my lady for free and access to the piles of coke in the VIP room. Isn't there a more adult way to get a decent seat? JFC.
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My two posts this morning got queued for moderation by the site administration? I assume a snafu...or my name has gotten onto a subversives list.
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only that the spam filter gets excited from time to time for no discernible reason. Many folks have had this experience; it does stop eventually. Meanwhile I'll try to get any snagged posts turned loose asap.
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Hi All!! Been about all things Dead for a long while now...but new to the forum. Just wondering if anyone on here had any thoughts on the Relix magazine? I used to love the magazine back in the day when it had all the art work, fun articles, games and stuff. I gave up my subscription a couple years ago because it seemed I wasn't reading much of the material in it. Just wondering if they made any improvements or added any depth to it the last couple years. Thanks....Have a Grateful night!!
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Still getting snagged this morning. I'll keep plugging away...
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"Chat Room is open in another window" this means I did a bad joo joo and I was moderated, right. I restarted the cable connex, cleaned up the cookies, and whatever else i thought it could be on my end.......i miss my friends... Thanks for any suggestions.. Vairocana
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in case you need a bit more info... I cannot acess chat and the message that appears is....SEE ABOVE
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If you're still having this problem send me a PM and we'll figure it out. I suspect some maintenance was happening and the chat room was down for a bit; seems to be working okay now. Speak up if the problem persists. Thanks!!
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Hi, I just wanted to let someone in the Dead Administration know how terrible the online ticket sales service was from a Systems Administrators perspective. I have been working on computers for more than 15 years and with today's technology there is simply no reason an online order should take 45 minutes other than completely incompetent administrators or technical staff. Anyways I am certain that other heads that went the online route had similar gripes - but as someone that knows the tech - that was the worst experience online I have ever had. It needs to be fixed. Sincerely tmcguinness
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Whats shakin guys,Just curious, what ever happened to the grateful dead almanac?I havent received one of those since 2002, I used to love the artwork in the centerfold (with lyrics) Phatmoye