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Not denying anything - I want a ticket, even one. I have asked almost everyone here. How is that embarrassing? I also defended you when another guy was calling you a douche.

First off - Limp Bizkit is not my band, it was a reference, since I still have a memory. Woodstock III was a pretty famous event, riots, fires rapes, pretty much everything bad society has to offer. As for whether gate crashing is good or bad, I know what I think of gate crashing, I am asking YOU what your point is on it. You are being unclear as to whether you think those shut out of the show should crash the gate or not? Are you saying that the band suggests civil disobedience by singing a song? If so, then yes the comparison to what occurred at Woodstock III is a valid one, if not, again I am at a loss. As for my level of intelligence, well I am pretty sure I would stack up against most. My double wide is nicer than most in this here trailer park. In any event, I am done debating you since there is no debate with someone who just suggests someone is stupid for not understanding what they are conveying - even as incoherently as you are. Wow dude, um if I would take a scalp, then I would have purchased off of Stubhub, I make more than enough to do so. What I had hoped for was that you actually had a soul and would be a proper seller on this site.

What else needs to be said there.

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...you two. Get a room.

Since I heard of the reunion until now (chronologically): *Surprised, elated and excited *Anticipation ensued after mail order sent *Message came very quickly, sadness *Excitement builds as time goes on *More anticipation becoming intense *Week of online sale... getting stressful, bad news abounding *Super exciting almost nerve breaking TM debacle *Up and down hope no hope hope no hope through discussions here *Outright disgust, empathy, apathy and bewilderment from reading the posts here *Hopelessness of the inevitable (not going) *Some solace that life goes on, the stress is over and back to listening (Oakland New Year's '79-80)

Please kick this (tt) jackass off the member group again, there are many reasons he does not belong here...

I have to say though, KLOWNSTONE is funny as hell! You actually made me laugh, you do have quite the sense of humor. Have fun with your ttrolling...(and peace to you regardless of your attitude) I'm out...

alright, fair enough later and enjoy your trip

I know right? I have been going through the 5 stages of grief ever since getting my pink slip. That awesome, Chevette driving, head from Buffalo has been amazing to talk to. I want to go to Chicago just to meet him face to face and buy him a beer or 10 - the stories must be amazing. Most here have been awesome in helping me deal with it, since the wife doesn't understand. What I do wish is that we could all get past the complaining of what went wrong and start working on making things sort of right within the parameters we have currently. Personally, I think I am at acceptance and will move on, maybe go see Phil at TXR in the summer. Also diggin the shows with Billy, Chimenti and Kimock, in New Orleans. Sold out, but maybe some more coming. Also still thinking about the parking lot thing. If they do set up screens and speakers in the lot, it is essentially the same as being behind the stage, but without the crap of going through security (so nut jobs like tt can shiv us all as we party). Still, I think I agree with you Klangstone, I would need something like that in stone with a ticket in my hand to make the voyage to mecca...can't say it still wouldn't be fun to hang out again...I didn't always get in and didn't always mind (at least not this much).

I would really like to meet Chevette man as well. In another life maybe... "...and now, back to your regularly scheduled program."

Since some tin foil hat folks haven't heard the news... "David Gans reports on Tales from the Golden Road... A majority of tickets and a majority of the best tickets for Fare Thee Well went to GDTSTOO. The original split of tickets was a three-way split between GDTS, the cancelled fan pre-sale, and the regular Ticketmaster on on-sale. After the demand for mail order was realized they renegotiated the deal so GDTS received the pre-sale tickets as well. Furthermore, for those that haven't received a rejection letter yet, you still have a chance at mail order tickets albeit slim. They also reported the amount of VIP and package tickets were very limited. The Bears fans had very limited seats which were mainly high dollar club and box seats. As of Sunday afternoon, only 2.86% of all seats for the 3 night run are available on Stubhub. That's 5997 out of 210,000. That includes if you multiply the 3 day tickets by 3 (for each night). Many of these are multiple listings offered at different prices. Most brokerage's overlap meaning less than 5% of available seats are possibly listed on aftermarket sites including multiple and fake listings." Overall, the vast majority of tickets are in the hands of GD fans, and the vast majority of good seats are in the hands of GD fans. This explains why such a miniscule percentage of tickets are available in the aftermarket, and why unless you were buying single day tickets on Saturday only side and rear stage were available for the 3 day package. Though it may be painful that you weren't one of the lucky ones to receive tickets, at least the tickets went to other fans. Having so many tickets in hands of fans means there will be a lot of trading, miracles, and face value tickets day of show(s). It's going to be great. :)

The whirlwind of emotion has been the most draining aspect but has also reaffirmed how much I would love to go back in time one more time. Someone else posted a comment that at the time I wished I could share the viewpoint but wasn't there yet and I am still not but getting closer, especially after reading some negative posts. He said, he would cherish his memories and is ok that he didn't get a ticket because someone else may need that experience more than he does, maybe someone that has never been to a show or someone that has been to hundreds. Embracing that viewpoint could help me come to terms with this. Tt if your brother truly lost his life when Jerry did that I am so sorry for you, I can see why you are stuck in the anger phase and I hope for the sake of your 3 year old if you really have one that you get the help you need. Peace to all of you. Hoping that that email for any of us in limbo land, comes through in the near future that we are keeping the faith for.

I'm gonna come home from work and brew a potent hot chocolate psilocybin cup and watch the Sunshine Daydream dvd and forget about all this hubbub for a night. Ahhhhhhhh how refreshing that will be here in Sacramento California. Looking forward to Friday! Ya'll should do the same....if possible.

Good idea, Truckineric. I wonder if that naked guy backstage on the scaffolding for most of the show ever new he made the movie. Try making up funny stories about him while watching ala Mysterious Science 2000. It's kind of fun.

thanks for clearing that up, sorry to hear about your brother, we all do crazy things to make others happy. I had rationalized the CID too by the time no pinky or email came around and its for the best it didn't happen. The "last time" pull makes it easy to rationalize things we wouldn't normally do. After the long MO wait is resolved closure will be rejuvenating.

I know it was a couple weeks ago when I recorded, but I finally watched it tonight. I had seen it before, but it's still fantastic. Not only 3 songs by the boys with Jerry rocking about, but a really good SNL performance as well. '78 was probably the best SNL cast.

Everyone one knows Rahm Emanuel owns a majority interest in Soldier Field. This is clearly a money making scam by him and Obama to fleece the hippie community out years of back taxes they have failed to pay. Wake up sheeple!

GDtstooWhen will all the non winners have their money orders returned? Can you tell us if you at least finished sending them out? Paid Priority mail, I should have it by now. By the sounds of it I am not the only one. Thank you.

Now, we're blaming Rahm Emanuel ? You're being ridiculous, right? It can be hard to detect sarcasm before one finishes their first cuppa coffee.

If any tickets on stub/vivid/ebay etc. are from mail order, they have to be GApit. They don't know where there seat is.. Almost all of the sections with no seats for sale match. All mail order tickets... Keep the faith

Well folks, this appears to be the kiss of death e-mail from the folks at GDTS TOO. This is an auto reply I just received on an in-bound mail to them: Hi Folks, We are still feverishly returning money orders to those not fortunate to get tix. All winners have been contacted by email. A few bounced back emails are being processed and it will take us a few weeks to create a data base to match them up. No need to contact us until April, and, by then you will or will not have received your order back, so it should narrow the field. Thank you for your patience understanding during this Deluge. Elvis and the GDTS Crew

What is there email address that you are getting this information from?

to elvis @gdtstoo.com Hi Folks, We are still feverishly returning money orders to those not fortunate to get tix. All winners have been contacted by email. A few bounced back emails are being processed and it will take us a few weeks to create a data base to match them up. No need to contact us until April, and, by then you will or will not have received your order back, so it should narrow the field. Thank you for your patience understanding during this Deluge. Elvis and the GDTS Crew to gdtstoo @gdtstoo.com Greetings all, Due to high email volume, we are not accepting emails at this time. Please refer to the links below to answer any questions. Latest Update: gdtstoo.com/GDTSTOOupdate.html Mail order instructions: gdtstoo.com/GDTSTOOInstru.html Dead50 Concert information: gdtstoo.com/GDTSTOODead50.html Please follow the above directions as closely as possible when filling out your orders. Thank you, The team at GDTS TOO "There's a band out on the highway They're high steppin' into town It's a rainbow full of sound It's fireworks, calliopes and clowns"

So they hired 60 people after the 66,000 MO come in. 6,000 emails? 60,000 to return? If they can open 100 envelopes each per day, it would take 10 days to mail 60,000. No way they are still scrambling to get these out...or the article quoting GDTS TOO saying they hired 60 people is BS. OR they are so high they can only manage a few envelopes per day. WTF?

I really have no idea since information is poor at best, but from here it sounds like if you didn't get an email by the 27th, then no luck. http://gdtstoo.com/GDTSTOOupdate.html btw, if you are still waiting for an email make sure to check your spam/junk folder.

Why so many with MO's cashed and no email

That would totally contradict that automatic reply e-mail from GDTS, right?

Hey Scott - confusion warranted and frankly, you nailed it. And it raises just so many other questions... - chances of MO tix were 1:10 - 66K envelops received means 6,600 lucky heads got tix (congrats, y'all!!) - let's assume a worst case, most ticket request/ask scenario of 4 per show times three nights. That equals 4x3x6,600= 79,200 tickets - 210K total seats available less 79.2k for mail order = 130,800 seats left. So, after deducting who knows how many for the band, media, CID, PSL's for Bears, etc... where are all the rest of the100K seats? For those that haven't seen it, here's the GDTS TOO auto reply I received: Hi Folks, We are still feverishly returning money orders to those not fortunate to get tix. All winners have been contacted by email. A few bounced back emails are being processed and it will take us a few weeks to create a data base to match them up. No need to contact us until April, and, by then you will or will not have received your order back, so it should narrow the field. Thank you for your patience understanding during this Deluge. Elvis and the GDTS Crew

There's a whole lot more to handling the mail order requests than opening envelopes. First thing I'm sure they did was check the incoming envelopes for a return address and the requested tickets on the outside of the envelope (both required elements for actually getting into the "lottery"). Those envelopes contents will be automatically returned using the SASE. After that each index card must be checked to ensure that people did things correctly and that the money orders match - then I'm guessing they filed these somehow - how else to catch duplicate orders, and I am very sure they made every effort to weed out people who made multiple requests for the same show(s). Doing things carefully to ensure fairness is way more than "opening a few envelopes". So get over yourself. It overwhelmed them but they still took the time and care to ensure a fair process. I am very happy they did. take care, connie

" A few bounced back emails are being processed and it will take us a few weeks to create a data base to match them up" This part makes no sense to me. You don't need a data base for a "few" emails. If it's alot of emails, then that would explain cashed MOs and no emails. IMO, MO tracking is probably poor at best. I've had plenty of post office trackings showing delivered when in fact the item was not. A public update on their web site would help. At least to let people know where they stand.

Thanks Connie for your re-assurance... Really? I'm confident in saying every head on here knows the GDTS MO protocol without even having to see their cleverly done video on "how-to." It's also 100% clear that their internal protocols weren't followed most likely via the temps they hired because many multiple envelop send-ins received their emails confirming tickets. That's always been a no-no with mail orders. Cheers.

You missed my point. I am not knocking GDTS TOO. There is more to the story than they are letting us know. I believe to our benefit.

If the email from Elvis is accurate. There should be a big pile of envelopes with millions in money orders. All they have to do is open envelope, stuff SASE and mail our money back. They don't need to read anything. They are not doing that, I don't believe they are "at fault" I am just saying there is more to the story and my bet is it is good news, not bad.

Multiple orders for the same show are most definitely against the rules - multiple envelopes for a different show per envelope has always been used to help ensure that you get at least one show. I know people who have done it that way since the Warfield shows way back in the dim times... In any case, the posts I saw about multiple requests being filled were multiple envelopes with each envelope being for a different show. I really do believe the folks at GDTSTOO are looking out for us and trying the best they can to ensure all is fair. And I also believe some people (if only those whose email bounced) will yet find out that they do indeed have tickets. take care, connie

Still no pink slip in my mailbox...hoping anyone who gets one or, better yet, an Email lets the rest of us know!

I believe you are right...there will be more miracles...

"Everyone one knows Rahm Emanuel owns a majority interest in Soldier Field. This is clearly a money making scam by him and Obama to fleece the hippie community out years of back taxes they have failed to pay. Wake up sheeple!" < Yes, this was sarcasm aimed at a few people who are obsessed with tin foil hat conspiracies about the entire process. I hope you were able to finish your coffee. *flowers* Keep repeating the facts... "David Gans reports on Tales from the Golden Road... A majority of tickets and a majority of the best tickets for Fare Thee Well went to GDTSTOO. The original split of tickets was a three-way split between GDTS, the cancelled fan pre-sale, and the regular Ticketmaster on on-sale. After the demand for mail order was realized they renegotiated the deal so GDTS received the pre-sale tickets as well. Furthermore, for those that haven't received a rejection letter yet, you still have a chance at mail order tickets albeit slim. They also reported the amount of VIP and package tickets were very limited. The Bears fans had very limited seats which were mainly high dollar club and box seats. As of Sunday afternoon, only 2.86% of all seats for the 3 night run are available on Stubhub. That's 5997 out of 210,000. That includes if you multiply the 3 day tickets by 3 (for each night). Many of these are multiple listings offered at different prices. Most brokerage's overlap meaning less than 5% of available seats are possibly listed on aftermarket sites including multiple and fake listings." Overall, the vast majority of tickets are in the hands of GD fans, and the vast majority of good seats are in the hands of GD fans. This explains why such a miniscule percentage of tickets are available in the aftermarket, and why unless you were buying single day tickets on Saturday only side and rear stage were available for the 3 day package.

When you look at the tickets available from Stubhub, etc, I get a smile on my face. With only a tiny percentage on the aftermarket for this event and even a smaller percentage of the majority of good seats or seats with stage view, it means the system has worked. Two thirds of all tickets went to GDTS and a majority of the good seats. Sure, once tickets arrive there may be some people that cash in while some scalpers may get mail order, but fans got the most seats. If you look at the 3 day packages, seats with a view are nearly non-existent. It's awesome. A higher percentage of tickets are available on a daily basis for baseball games. All this leads me to believe there are going to be a lot of miracles before and on the day of show(s) once tickets are distributed. The people who are patient and diligent will find a way to get tickets. *dance*

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That is one of the most positive ways I have seen this whole thing looked at so far. If that is the case, then hats off to GD for doing all it could to try and fight the MAN on this one.

Thanks for turning this post around with facts - you rock. Great to keep the positive vibes going especially realizing that it is mostly Heads that are going! Let's help our bro's and sisters out by posting your email number (if you got one). The highest post I have seen so far is #389. Has anyone gotten anything higher? Anyone receive one today? Also want to see who's going? Give a shout out here if you are attending and tell us who you're bringing! Keep the faith and there will be dancin' in the streets of Chicago... Be Kind.

in the light,you will find the (golden) road.

I saw #420 Friday am on this site....about an hour or 2 after CID VIP started...don't remember which sub forum though... So if 660 are honored, that leaves like a third or 240 in limbo with high hopes....

It was very, very early. That cup, and the rest of the pot, long since gone. My sense of humor has since woken up. :-)

Somehow my post didn't go through so I am going to give it a second go. No offense to you personally, but I'm taking your "facts" with a grain of salt since you just joined this site two days ago and seem to be particularly keen in concluding (and spreading the word) that everything is hunky dory. Frankly, I don't find that to be particularly credible. We will see how it turns out--hopefully a bunch of Heads end up at the show paying face value and trading with friends. However, your facts have a lot of potential holes, first and foremost of which you are relying on an interpretation of some questionable statements made by David Gans. Where is the statement from the band about this wonderful GDTS TOO renegotiation? How did converting the presale to mail order change the equation other than eliminating an option many were targeting? Second, you are ignoring the fact that scalpers won't flood the market four months before an event. Looking at Stubhub, the total ticket availability is not going down but its also not going up at a rate that is substantially reducing the prices. It's way to early to proclaim what you are putting forth to be factual. What can't be reasonably debated is that the whole process was a cluster and that many people got screwed in many different ways. If the reality turns out to be as you describe, then the damage will certainly be mitigated to a great degree, but its way too early to tell.

Here's a good example on how things went horribly wrong. One guy with two sets of 4 3 day passes in GA,122,213 plus an additional 4 GA field. http://www.ebay.com/usr/lakedrive101?_trksid=p2047675.l2559

You can never fully predict the ticket market, much like stocks. However, I was a professional concert vendor up until a few years ago, and I started on dead tour. I still work Waka, Roo, and Lockn' mainly because I love concerts and meeting people while vending. I've been to more than 10k concerts, festivals and sporting events. Most times, if there is a will there is a way. I really think there will be a lot of trades, face value, and lower brokered tickets running up to the day of the show. I'd also expect a box office release but scalpers will camp overnight at the box office. People who diligently work fakebook, forums, craigslist, and the aftermarkets will find a reasonable way into the concert. Personally, I think showing up Thursday and hitting the town with a positive, extrovert personality will be the best way to get tickets. I've never been embarrassed to ask strangers if they had extras, strike up a conversation with a smile, and leave my phone number. The only two shows I've ever been shut ouf of were the Phil and friends with Trey at the Fillmore in SF and Phish at Radio City Music hall the first time they played. Stay Positive... like The Hold Steady song.

The only facts are some got MO emails, some got CID VIP +/- hotels, some got side or no view TM ripoffs....the scalper seats are out there and over 95% appear to suck ass based on the price asked, A little hope from Svengali or whoever is not the worst thing in the world.... However the math still does not add up re MO....if someone comes forward with an email confirmation number of 600+ I will rest my case, until then....I'm all second star to the right, and straight on to morning.....