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    joennn24
    9 years 2 months ago
    Mix
    Listened to KFOG replay and the mix had Trey so out front I couldn't hear the rest of the band. Could just be the radio replay, but I wanna hear Phil, Bobby and the rest of the band. Can't wait to see it at the movie theater on Friday (and maybe Saturday and Sunday)
  • goverlid
    9 years 2 months ago
    Write on, Bros. Stephen & Eric!
    Thanks for my morning eye-opener!!
  • Eric Abrahamson
    9 years 2 months ago
    Fare Thee Well Grateful Dead, Pt. 2
    Watch 'em knock 'em dead in Chicago. I must've gone to at least 100 shows. The first one was in 1966 in the Golden Gate Park Panhandle, or the Furthur Fesival at San Francisco State College, whichever was first. I actually felt like Phil was addressing me personally when he made his speech at the end and thanked everyone for coming out, because I tried to get tickets to as many Phil Lesh and Friends at Terrapin Crossroads shows as I could. He came up to me there and let me say, "Hi," which rock stars don't have to do. However I couldn't afford to follow Bobby around like I used to, and he always lets me know, which is flattering that he invited me. He sang a song about losing money, which is true. He sang some other songs which might have been directed at me, and I instinctively responded by singing along. Then, at the beginning of the last song, "Fare Thee Well, My Honey", "Brokedown Palace", I thought he was like, he wanted me to sing along, so I did, and then he ended it abruptly, got in line with their arms on their shoulders, did their bow, and it was over, but I'm planning to see the live stream of all 3 Chicago shows at Terrapin Crossroads. When I went to UCI in 1987, my dad gave me $100,000/year, an apartment in grad student housing, a car, and a bunch of credit cards on his account. They tracked me into the Information and Computer Science major. Then he came down and took some of the credit cards back, and my sister took all 6 of my Irvine Meadows Grateful Dead tickets. Like William Burroughs wrote, "When did they ever give anything that they didn't take back if they could, and they always could!" and he went to Harvard. I went out and bought 6 more, at the inflated price of $50, for $300, and canceled the aftershow party at my apartmnent I'd posted on the Well. Because of losing the credit cards, I got a bad grade and had to go to CSUB. Laurie Senit moved in, and life was pretty good. We lived across from the campus in an apartment complex with 4 swimming pools and 4 jacuzzis, the 2nd best in town. My parents bought me a brand-new Toyota Tercel. Then my mom said, "We're going to send the two of you to Hawaii. Pick out a hotel from this brochure." I picked the Big Island because I'd been to Maui, and the Kona Hilton because the Dead liked Hiltons. In nearby Paradise Cove the scuba boat captain claimed he was on a first-name basis with Jerry. When Jerry died the Rolling Stone article said his house was in Kona, which I didn't know, and gave the name of his dive shop. I called information and the dive shop, they said it was across the street from the Kona Hilton, and Jerry probably did used to go scuba diving at Paradise Cove. They were showing videos of him scuba diving tonight. That's why I wanted to do it, but I had to do it straight, not being a rock star. I proposed to Laurie on the beach in Kona. We stopped at my parents' house in San Francisco on our way home. My dad, James Abrahamson, had 3 restaurants, Pam Pam East on Geary and Taylor, Rosebud's English Pub next door, and Biff's Coffee Shop on 28th and Broadway in Oakland, and he sold institutional furniture, commission contract sales, for Thonet and American Chair Co., and later Serta Mattress, in the Merchandise Mart on 10th and Market. My mother, Lucille Abrahamson, was elected to the San Francisco School Board twice, two years as President, worked in Mayor Dianne Feinstein's Office of Childcare, and was appointed S.F. Human Rights Commissioner by Mayor Frank Jordan, the former Police Chief. I told them we were engaged and my Dad said, "Don't marry her, I can't afford it. We sold the restaurants to Mama's, they went bankrupt, didn't pay, we went to court, the judge fined me $160,000, and they wanted me to declare bankruptcy." My little brother said later it was his half-partner, Bill Munro, the manager's fault. He abused the help, especially the head cook, who really ran the place, the union went on strike, won so many benefits they had to go out of business and sell it. Munro had cooked the books, the judge saw it, and hence the fine. My dad said it was because I had spent too much money on Grateful Dead concerts, but I don't think that was correct, although I may have spent too much money. They wanted me to go to this psychiatrist in Bakersfield, Dr. Perelli-Minetti, who was a nice man. He said the Grateful Dead was OK. He was always telling me expensive restaurants to which to take Laurie, like where he took his wife, and encouraged me to spend lots of money on her, buy expensive dresses, jewelry, etc, so I thought it was OK. He gave me Risperdal when it first came out, in 1994. We didn't really go to that many Grateful Dead concerts. My dad didn't like the Grateful Dead and Bill Graham for other reasons. When I first got back from the New Mexico Hog Farm after Woodstock, I tried to turn him on, he thought about it for a minute and decided no, he was afraid to get busted, he was too square to get on the bus. Later he said that Bill Graham had applied to join their Jewish men's club, the Concordia-Argonaut, on Van Ness and Geary, and that he was going to vote against him. Not only was he a hippie, and made his money that way, but he was an orphan, an immigrant, and a Holocaust survivor. What it really was is that Graham was more successful than him in the role of Jewish businessman. My brother moved to Mill Valley, said he saw Graham's house and was impressed. Graham made more money than all of them, and he started as a hippie, and that filled squares like my dad with jealousy, anger, envy, and rage. My dad said, "I wish the Grateful Dead were dead," in his outrageous way. When Bill Graham's helicopter crashed on the way home from the Concord Pavilion and they had his funeral in my dad's temple, Temple Emanu-el, my dad said, "I hope it didn't hurt the helicopter!" He even hated them during the Haight-Ashbury and helped the City Fathers drive them out of town. My family was spending a lot of money at first, and I thought they were encouraging me to emulate them. When he first gave me the $100,000/year, the credit cards on his account, and sent me to UCI, my dad was acting like he could afford for me to buy anything I saw that I wanted. Then he told not to buy anything over $200, and I complied. They were all spending lots of money. He had 2 new BMW"s and a new Mercedes-Benz. He and my mom went on a temple tour of Eastern Europe and stayed in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, she said it was a five-star hotel. My sister went to Yale after me, in Art, then got a Masters in Art Education at Stanford, an Ed.D. at Harvard, a J.D. at Cal, got a job in the White House as Assistant Chief-of-Staff to Vice-President H.W. Bush in the Ronald Reagan White House and then Founding Chairman of the Barbara Bush Campaign For Family Literacy (me at UCI) in the President H.W. Bush White House. There's a photo of her and Vice-President H.W. Bush having an audience with Pope John Paul in Sweden, and she is shaking hands with the Pope. That dress must have cost something, not to mention the travel. In her closet I saw hundreds of French gowns, and more shoes than Imelda Marcos. She met this guy from the Council of Foreign Relations in Washington, D.C., a USC Professor of International Relations, Jonathan Aronson. He went to Harvard and Stanford in Political Science, and his father was a rich St. Louis banker. They bought a mansion in Bel-Air near the Reagans', put in an Italian marble bathtub, baby grand piano, swimming pool, his self-portrait in the living room, pirates' table, Persian rug, and he drove a Jaguar S3. He said, "We're going to Paris for 2 weeks," "I'm going to Thailand to speak," and they had their son's Bar Mitzvah in Bali, so they didn't hold back on the spending. They took the whole family, including me, to the Club Med in Ixtapa, but they went bankrupt because I spent too much money on Grateful Dead concerts! My brother spent $2000 of my dad's money for a Rolex watch to keep up with the other Oshos and flew back and forth to India every few weeks for years. They flew me there, to Europe twice, and to Hawaii twice. I guess my dad was having problems, and he asked me to spend less money, but he didn't really communicate that I should spend less money because he was having financial problems. I was spending too much money on Laurie. So I ignored him. So he took away some credit cards, and I kept spending at the same level. I couldn't comprehend that commission contract sales is an up-and-down business. Then two new credit cards, each with a $5000 limit, came in the mail. I should have sent them back, but I couldn't resist the temptation. Soon I realized that I couldn't let my dad find out about them, because he would take them away, too. I set out to get revenge on him for taking away my credit cards by charging even *more* money. The first thing I did was take Laurie to the most expensive restaurant in Los Angeles, Spago's, $140 for salmon for two. Then the 2nd most expensive, Palms in West Hollywood. Then dresses, jewelry, and when we went to Hawaii we did the same thing with the recreation. Maybe *that's* what drove my dad into near-bankruptcy, not the Grateful Dead concerts. We really didn't go to that many. I just spent a lot of money on her. She just liked to go to movies, comedy clubs, country-western dance halls, miniature golf, roller skating, she was always thinking of something. They cut my allowance from $100,000/year to $40,000/year, my sister and brother-in-law, Joan and Jonathan, became "trustees of your trust fund", keep the Blue Cross PPO. They took away all 12 of my credit cards and defaulted on them, leaving me in debt to the credit card companies for $15,000, with bad credit to this day, since 1993. They raised it up to $60,000 and I moved to New Mexico, near the Castagnas who used to live at the Hog Farm. Alberto asked me to call my mother, father, sister, and brother-in-law and ask each of them for $10,000 for a liver transplant for his Hepatitis C because his job as Director of Taos County Ambulances, working his way up from paramedic and EMT, didn't have good insurance. They said no. Maybe that's what set 'em off. They asked me to go to a psychiatrist, who dismissed me. Then Laurie wanted me to come back to Los Angeles and move in to her apartment. They wanted me to find another psychiatrist. I found psychedelic therapist Dr. Robert Newport online at the Island Group in Santa Cruz, referred by Bruce Eisner, but my sister fought with him and he lost his license for prescribing medications, including Risperdal, without seeing the patients. I called him and he said, "Did your sister let up on you yet? I'm not a psychiatrist any more, I'm a painter." So they took me to Dr. Lisa Fine, who also gave me Risperdal, which gave me diabetes. Laurie got it too, from Seroquel. They found the diabetes when a cardiolgist wanted to do an emergency heart surgery,an angiogram and an angioplasty. My brother drove my sister-in-law's Ford Escort to L.A. from Sedona. They said they were going to give it to me. He showed it to me and said, "This is your car." They said they were going to give it to me after the surgeries, but they changed their mind and never did. My car had totally broken down at a job interview in Irvine just a few days before my appointment with the cardiologist, who decided I was going to have emergency heart surgery. When I recovered I stopped by at some friends from the Cubensis shows and they talked me into starting going to shows again, to the Phil Lesh and Friends show and the Ratdog show at the Wiltern, and the Ratdog show at the House of Blues. I'd told Richie on the phone I'd stopped going to shows when Jerry died and he'd said, "I did too." They had a picture of them with the 4 original members in an airport on the way to a concert called The Dead. After that, this psychologist Eric Asa-Dorian from the Life Adjustment Team, probably a drug rehab, they said her mother called, shows up in our living room, posing as a Deadhead, except with more, better tickets than me. Then they got me to go to LAT and I never knew it was a drug rehab, it was disguised as marriage counseling or something. In the end they took the $60,000/year except for meds, medical bills, Anthem Blue Cross PPO, SSI, and put me in Brentwood Manor board-and-care home for two years, I think illegally, before I had learned how to treat the diabetes, so it had developed another complication besides the heart disease, metabolic syndrome, diabetic neuropathy, or diabetic nerve pain, or "burning feet". When they moved me out of Laurie's apartment 12 years ago with the Comcast that was the last time they let me have cable, except for a brief period. No police, no arrest, no charges, no hearing, no trial, no sentence, no jail, no prison, no due process. No evidence or proof that *I* ever did anything wrong, as far as I'm concerned, frames and smears I've never heard, let alone allowed to answer. I said I'd sue all of them for $2 billion for attempted murder, elder financial abuse, false imprisonment, psychiatric torture, medical malpractice, emotional anguish, pain and suffering, and my attorney, Bruce Margolin, who'd been Timothy Leary's attorney (I went to a fundraiser they had at Timothy Leary's house in Beverly Hills when he was running for State Senator), said, "Where'd you get the $2 billion?" so $200 million is more in the range, I think. I had to get a job selling Sprint phones B2B to small businesses in the South, work my way out of there and get some financial aid from Cal State East Bay. I'd been a junior Computer Science major at Cal State Northridge when I was living with Laurie before the surgeries. And Tina Kimmel, a Cal Ph.D. in Social Work I met at the New Mexico Hog Farm after Woodstock got my sister to give me a $68,000 annuity that my dad left me, so that was pretty good, so I got to go to Monterey and Camp Winnarainbow, and they're paying for a lot of things now. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. I'm still a senior Computer Science major and pre-law. Afterwards Alberto died, I called Richie from the board-and-care, he called my sister, I called him back, and he had terminal liver cancer. Alberto flew out and carved his tombstone, and he picked out wood for Tinker to make his coffin, but my sister wouldn't give me $100 to visit him at Camp Winnarainbow before he died. Steve had died of hep C. Then Hunter Thompson committed suicide. When I was going to the LAT psychiatrist to whom they forced me to go, I emailed Cap'n Skypilot to post something I could show him on his office computer, and he wrote a story about a man whose parents he said were responsible for the death of Ken Kesey and the assassination of JFK. When I got up here Vince Welnick committed suicide. I ran into Lou Todd, then he got sick and died, and then Tinker, who I once saw drive the Furthur bus. Charlene said her landlady wouldn't rent her house anymore, she moved in with her daughter; her other daughter got accused of murder, and she didn't do it. Laurie's elementary schoolteacher friend's apartment caught on fire and they blamed her. My Deadhead lawyer friend said his SUV caught on fire. I can't figure out the reason for all this. I would be interested if anybody, especially with legal knowhow, had any helpful advice. I'm thinking of appealing to my Yale classmates, to see if any of them are big-time lawyers yet, and I don't think any Democratic politicians have seen it, since most of them don't have email addresses. They were telling people I was dying, but the doctors said my numbers were good, so you can't die from controlled diabetes, maybe it was just wish-fulfillment. And Jerry famously died of a diabetic heart attack in a drug rehab, maybe someone got ideas. While I was in Brentwood the lawyer sent me a copy of the trust instrument where my parents had initialed that when my mom dies, the inheritance, which it originally says was divided into thirds between me, my brother, and sister, they rubbed me out and divided it in half between my brother and sister. She'll get my mom's house worth about $2 million, and she has a $4.3 million house in Bel-Air, and a house in Telluride, and my dad bought my brother a house in Sedona. I was living in Laurie's apartment. My brother will get my dad's commercial property in Oakland, a tire and party store. And there's some money they'll divide in half. Eric Abrahamson Yale University Class of '71 Pierson College
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Grateful Dead Original Members Add Two Dates To Final Concerts

April 10, 2015

The original members of Grateful Dead have announced two additional shows at Levi’s Stadium in Santa Clara, California on June 27th and 28th, as part of their “Fare Thee Well: Celebrating 50 Years of Grateful Dead” run. Along with the three shows at Chicago's Soldier Field on July 3rd, 4th, and 5th, the run will mark the original members' last-ever performances toget

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Just stating the facts, peeps. IMO, parochialism is not applicable to music. Music does not know, nor does it define any geographical boundaries. To do so, you show your naivety like that jackass writer did.
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http://www.setlists.net/ Heres the numbers breakdown. I love being able to get this information it's just like a baseball team! 965 shows on the West Coast (AK,OR,WA,CA, although if you wanna take contiguous states then that number drops to 962 shows on the West Coast, 884 were in CA) 705 shows on the east coast (not including PA, if you consider PA a "coastal state" then that number goes up to 806 shows on the East Coast) I wouldn't say they were "primarily a West Coast band" more like primarily an American band, poor choice of words for sure as they are almost split evenly between the two coasts. If you divide the country by runoff from the Rocky Mountains or the Front Range and define that as West Coast - East Coast those numbers would change drastically and may fall to them being an Eastern half of the country band. But, if home is where the heart is, that's San Francisco. I know I left my heart there. I did find it interesting the GD never played Delaware according to The Setlist Program. Is that accurate, they played every state on the East Coast but Delaware?!
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Delaware, literally, is a Philly "suburb" so that makes sense. Great send, direwulf. And cheers to your home state !!
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there is never a wrong forum for extending prayers and good vibes to those we really could use them.thank you for doing so for the devastated families and other loved ones of the crash victims.
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Hey prop, nothing like a shakedown grilled cheese, but don't knock the free range turkey on a spelt, rosemary focaccia smothered in organic cranberries and roasted gouda, that actually sounds really good.
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It was SUPPOSED to just be some light humor... ..guess I failed on that one.
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Not knocking it, sounds awesome, however, not REALLY what we used to live on...just worried shakedown will be a series of high priced SUVs backed up in a row with the tailgate down and...well yuppy, not hippy... :/ As for the west coast / east coast thing, may ruffle some feathers here, but being Canadian, I feel it needs to be said, as long as you two can play in the same sandbox and not pull any guns (I have a feeling there will be some responsible gun owners here...) :D and to quote John Favreau from Swingers, "didn't you see boyz in the hood? Now one of us is going to get shot!" (kidding guys, just playing around...) Dire Wolf, any stats on Canadian shows?...(hint - next to none)
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Listening to some stuff from '70 when the guys were touring with the Allmans, anyone notice how Jerry started to play like Doo-wayne? Really picked up a lot of his nuances on that tour...a lot of great cross pollination then...ah to be alive and on the bus back then
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Not related in any way...was at Watkins Glen, have the recording, remember nothing of it ....hell I was 14 for Chrissakes but.... Derek and the dominos Layla and other assorted love songs is my favorite recorded audio recording of all time,followed by Abbey Road side 2 then DSOTM then all the Dead...just wonder who else thinks Eric and Duane were the cats ass???? Stops me in my tracks....
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Now see here is a dilemma, I agree with the "Clapton is God" statement when listening to Cream or Blind Faith - he needed Ginger in my mind to keep him in the groove; that is strictly my opinion since I never really liked his stuff after BF - got too 'deep' I think. Now, Duane was amazing, one of the most forgotten bestest gui-tarests to ever live. Love hearing the jams that the guys did on their tours. As Scully used to say, they worked well together, each band had two drummers and they had the same "mentality" as the Dead (read - LOVED drugs). That and they could jam for hours with the best of them (and did). Just amazed at how Jer outright lifted rifs from Duane in some of his jams...seems so un-Jerry, again, imo
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Hey Layla and other assorted love songs was about Eric having his heart ripped out by his unrequited love Patti Boyd Harrison, aka Mrs George..... Having been there done that....I love/live that album....... Duane brought Eric out of his heroin haze to have enough clarity to record this masterpiece.....until he lapsed into alcoholism... As I see it in this instance Duane is God!!!!! Long live Duane Allman!!!!!
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left to right. If on the left side facing the stage, low numbers are closer to the stage in each section. I imagine the opposite is true on the right side facing the stage.
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By no means am I a SBD whore on LMA (I hate acronyms but here we are...) I gotta say the two shows at the Fillmore East 02-14-1970 with the Allmans were ones to be at...Sorry Klang, most of their best shows were in the East. They just seemed on fire when they were in NY...even Phil said so. Granted the run right before that at the Fillmore West was also phenomenal...too bad there is almost no tape of the couple Feb shows, now the shows in June '69 were also amazing at the Fillmore West - you know the ones where Janis comes out and sings Lovelight with pigpen one night..really though, I gotta say the runs in the east were somehow, just amazing...
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One of the best live musical marriages in epic concert history. Nuff said. Shit, there wasn't even a "jam band" category then - it was MUSIC.
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Duane would be one of my top 5 guitarists. Clapton had his moments, but just cracks the top 20. The true hero of 'Layla' is Tom Dowd, who tracked & mixed the whole album. There are bits & pieces of the work floating around in unfinished and rough mixes... (The Smithsonian Folkways online collection is a good place to start). He had some great performances to start with, but the final result is much greater than the sum of the parts. I was at Watkins Glenn as a young pup too. Small planet... ;) Think I'm gonna subject the club to some 'Elizabeth Reed' as a sound check this eve.
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Agree 100% the production of the finished product....far outshines the multitude of jams that led up to this album....it may not be the bees knees but imo it is clearly the cats ass!,,, That's enough for me....
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Now I am not one comment on what should or should not be used as a soundcheck, but I would LOVE to hear the DS from this show (Fillmore East 02-14-1970) coming into a venue and waiting for the show to start - to quote a wannbe valley gurl I know 'it would be UH-MAZE-ING!' (wow I need to shower now)https://archive.org/details/gd1970-02-14.sbd.miller.97644.flac16
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Was hoping to get a comment from Big Bill (Grateful Red) when he next drives his cycle past my home. As was the case with many other deadheads, I was shut out of mail order and ticket master tix for the Chicago shows. Perhaps this was fate working its magic and allowing me to save my scratch for the upcoming West Coast shows. After all, what reunion would be legitimate if it didn't somehow wind its way through the Bay Area? It has been very hard resisting paying ridiculous scalper prices for the Chicago tickets. And just as difficult waiting and waiting for the Levi Stadium announcement. As a member of the community, I thought I would pass this tidbit along that I just heard today. I'm told that the official announcement for the Santa Clara shows will not take place until the tickets for Phish at Shoreline go on sale. Ticketmaster shows Phish tickets for the Shoreline Phish show to go on sale Friday April 3rd. Good luck to all Left Coast deadheads. See you in the Bay Area!
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A favorite bit of local lore -- when Little Feat visited Chicago in the 70's, Lowell George dropped in at (the once legendary) studios of WXRT on Belmont Avenue. One of the interns took him out, and got a great shot him leaning on the street-sign at the corner of Lowell & George. Ah, another musical soul leaving us way too soon. WXRT isn't dead yet, but it seems a zombie of its former self -- animate, but lifeless just the same.
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And the anniversary of Jerrys final Casey Jones....3/27/93..... I loved the 93 encore choices... breaking rocks in the hot sun..... Captain Trips doing his best Bobby Fuller Four imitation... Man when he was on he was so animated.... I miss Jerry....
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$10k starting bid, buy it now $15k. And yes, no feedbacks and just joined ebay, lol. I don't trust that one at all.
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CID=Can't Include Dummies ....just sayin....don't be a dummy.
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At least you still have ebay buyer protection. If it gets me a reasonably priced ticket I will buy from a 0 feedback. But I am still just a poor ticketless schmuck who's avatar won't change and so far, not my luck either. But happy Friday everyone! Hope your day goes well...
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just saw an article, USA today I think, stub hub reports: original price $95.00-$195.00, average resale $899.00 1 day$1650.00 3 day, high $15,000 for 2 3 day pits.......
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Having been a Clapton fanatic, in addition to my Dead fanaticism, from the mid-80s to mid-90s (he lost me in 1998 with his stinker album Pilgrim), I can say that Layla is one of my top five favorite studio albums. To me, that album is perfection and Dowd did indeed do amazing work. I believe the first three tracks from I Looked Away through Keep on Growing were recorded before Duane arrived-- love those tracks. But once Duane shows up, let it rip! D&D was a fantastic band-- Bobby Whitlock, Carl Radle and Jimmy Gordon are underrated. The first Layla box set that came out in the early 90s has a really fine mix and a cd titled Jams-- five 10-20 minute jams playing on different themes. Beautiful stuff, including a couple with Gregg Allman and some others of the ABB. The D&D Live at the Fillmore two-disc set is also one of my favorite sets of music. Just a correction to EC's timeline rgr... it was during the Layla sessions that heroin was really introduced to Clapton's scene. D&D fell apart after the tour and attempt at album #2, that is when EC went into his heroin cave for a couple years.
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That listing was removed by Ebay!!! Not ended or sold, but removed. This listing (161651880901) has been removed, or this item is not available. Please check that you've entered the correct item number Listings that have ended 90 or more days ago will not be available for viewing.
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I think that this question I posted to that seller had some effect. The listing seems "removed" not "sold" Fore everyone CID has to approve these transfers, they are not necessarily going to approve them. CID may respond if we pressure them. Also EBAY does not allow reselling of hotel rooms. I try to take action on a few of these each day.. Here is what I told micu_mioyej >snip< micus_mioyej, I have contacted CID and asked them to block this transfer. Hopefully they will go further and cancel your package. The VIP presale was not meant for scalpers. Also, selling hotels is a violation of Ebay rules. I will report that to them once I am done with this post. >snip<
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I like your plan, but if one does come up for a decent price from a known seller some of us may want a crack at it.
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With all the after-parties, pre-parties, and well, parties going in Chicago, why not just get that travel set up and have fun even if you don't get a ticket? What the f*ck is wrong with you? Good god, the space ship is coming in for a landing and you're just standing there! Ready the tin foil hat man and go!
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I have been wondering something. I hear everyone here say that we shouldn’t pay the scalper prices as it only adds to the problem, and this is where I am a little confused. I was lucky enough to get my Miracle through Ticketmaster but my friend was not. He looked at several ticket options and ended up buying a three day ticket through E-bay for right around $1,000.My question is, has he just added to the problem or was he just a fan who saved up to see his favorite band and was happy to get the ticket? I keep equating this to the stock market. If I make a good purchase on a stock and it goes up in value, would I sell it for what it is worth, or what I paid for it? I agree that the people asking $4,000 and $5,000 for tickets should be drawn and quartered, but if you have someone that is willing and able to pay $1,000 for a ticket is he in the wrong? I have to be completely honest, outside of a few really good friends, I’m not sure I would be able to sell my tickets for face value.
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stocks are investor products, one purchases them in hopes of making a good investment and a profit. Grateful Dead tickets, on the other hand, are intended for music loving folks to go for an evening of entertainment, not to be used by scalpers to profit by blocking folks from the ability to purchase tickets, then jacking up prices and hold us hostage for their enrichment, see the difference? and unfortunately, it does add to the problem when we cave and pay extorted prices.
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I think the issue is a fair price for it. I don't think anyone would question a ticket price for $1000 for a 3 day pass with a view of anything but the stage curtain. They got lucky, we didn't que sera, I think the major issue is people who are charging 10 to 100 x the ticket price so they can pay for their trip. That is greedy. I am all for people making some profit, but lets be reasonable here. $500 for a ticket behind the stage that cost $70 with fees? $1000 for a floor ticket that cost $105 with fees? That is highway robbery. If they have a 3 day pass with a view at $1000, that equates to a markup of around 3x which, sure is fair. I mean the tix were around $100 through GDTS x3 so...but $1,200 to $1500 for no view? Gimme a break
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Well, Totem, I have explained my rationale numerous times on this forum, why I personally have not finalized my travel plans due to the ticket drought. So I don't see any point in rehashing that point. (see the miles of posts prior) I still plan to get a gig ticket and THEN get a plane ticket to go with it. I am keeping an eye on the pricing and availability of the particular flight that I want to take. And several times I came close to booking it but chickened out. I still see myself going to this thing, so don't count me out yet... P.S. I am still open for suggestions on how to find a reasonably priced ticket. I don't want a no view ticket for scalped price, or a viewable ticket for an outrageous price. Holding out for something that fits the Bill, so to speak.
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HERE! HERE! HARUMPH! HARUMPH! (pounding a desk to draw attention - I love politicians here)
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especially that mayor, in Toronto.......
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Kudos for those explanations! Hit it right on the "head". I don't want to pay for a scalper ticket, but these are trying times and I may end up doing just that. But spending a ton of money on a concert ticket has its limits. Seat location plays a big part of it. I am hoping I can weasel my way in without breaking my bank account and I have a certain amount of pride and integrity (which the resellers don't have). It is just a business to them. It is a way of life for us. I am not rich by any means, but I do OK. I am not free-spirited with my money (aka tightwad). For me I can't justify the amount of money spent to go on this trip without KNOWING I will get in to at least one of the shows. So my dilemma is how much am I willing to spend for the peace of mind of being sure to get in? We all have to decide that for ourselves and everyone's cutoff amount is going to be different. So my advice (which is VERY subjective) is to set a price point for these tickets and find a way to make it happen within that boundary. But what do I know? I'm striking out at every turn...
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He was awesome wasn't he? He came into office right after I left Toronto...reminds me of Marion Berry (smoking crack AT his desk in DC), just way more Curley-like (3 stooges Curley) Ford was/is.
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Without a warning you broke my heart, takin' it baby, tore it apartAnd you left me standin' in the dark, said your love for me was dyin'. Come on baby, baby please come on baby, cause I'm on my knees. (I know I got my pinky a month ago - but it still is sad!) :)