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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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  • NWScarletFireGuy
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    Incarcerated Client: Why the big grin, am I getting getting out jail? Me: I just listened to this killer Dead show from 1976. It opened with Bertha, which threw me because Deadbase X lists the opener as Sugaree. The opening disc was strong, my favorite being Scarlet, which was interesting because it sounds like Jerry missed a verse, but rather than starting to sing mid verse, he waited, the band jammed, and he picked it up soon after. The second disc had an interesting Samson, because Jerry doesn't play the typical notes; I'm guessing but I think the song was still a work in progress and he hadn't put it all together quite yet on those notes we know so well. Disc 3 was phenomenal! I love those opening notes of Wheel, but the highlight was Not Fade Away which begins with almost 4 minutes of jam before the verse, and more jamming with Jerry playing the opening riff of China Cat, you can hear the crowd cheering but the band returns to Fade Away, it was awesome and that's why I'm smiling! Incarcerated Client: Ya man, but am I getting out of jail? Me: What? With your record? Hell no! This is your sixth conviction for theft, you're doing 30 days which is a gift, don't you know Walmart has like 100 cameras in their store? You might as well wear a sign into the store that says, "I am about to shoplift." I'll come visit ya next week though, 1968 is up next!
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    snafu, nice post - I am doing the chrono order listening, only on 1969 tonight. So good, amazing sound quality. (the perfectly timed whoo hoos after "what another man spills" - love it!) lowspark, I enjoy your contributions to the board, just wanted to say that.
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    I gotta say I never got what the few people besides John saw in Yoko's vocals. In truth she was pretty pathetic. The exception to this would be Cold Turkey. Her vocals definitely give voice to the torment of that. To the poster that was upset about the analogy about Donna and the abusive father stop looking for offense. I read the post and he didn't trivialise child abuse he was making a comment that while others might have phrased it another way is felt by a majority of Heads. What is truly offensive and of no question is threats don't belong on this site.
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    this post by snafu really sums up a lot...i am thoroughly enjoying 30 trips. i've really enjoyed every show, and there are ones that rise to the (current) top, the listening and thinking about the shows reinforces many already stated observations and aspects of the dead. there is a joy in discussing the pros and cons of this show, that show, this song, that song, etc....few (no?) other bands have this legacy. enjoy these wonderful recordings! it is 30 daves picks at once! high praise
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    Today is the anniversary of yet another 30 Trips show. Too bad it's not loaded on my phone yet and I have to go to work. Three more coming up soon as well: '79, '89, '90.
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    Well I've had the box for 8 days now and would like to make some personal viewpoints. These are mine and only mine. Others will act or appreciate in their own way which is just fine. At 1st I was a little skeptical about the concept of 1 show a year, but have come to feel it really was the way to go. It really helps those oldies like me who have been at it since Captain Trips and relative to actual newbies gain an understanding of the growth and changes they went through over the 30 years they existed. While as I said I've been into them since almost the beginning and have been to many shows and have many shows on tape and disc I am not at the in depth knowledge level some here clearly are. so the box helps me remember or understand the difference between 76 and 77 or 66 67 & 68. While those who have studied the shows and differences may well be able to point to a better show from a specific year I feel they have done a really good job of presenting quality shows for each year ( I am listening to 78 right now ). I also feel that for most people a chronological listening is the best way to go. Excluded from this would be the people who have an encyclopedic knowledge of their shows. But then again even they might benefit from such a listening. I must say from audio quality and musical quality the producers have done a fine job. It's truly amazing listening to this and how good it is. In closing I would just like to say outside of 1 or 2 weak releases over the years we have really benefited from fine and moderately priced product
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    Those performances of The Weight with Brent are the unmistakable glint of gold in the miner's pan. This song, atleast to me, never regained it's former gravitas after Brent. Kind of wish I transferred the 30 Trips recordings in a more 21st century fashion, compared to the time consuming real-time recordings I'm in the midst of. That said, 27 down and only 3 left to go- 1974, 1980 and 1982. Was trying to record in order, but ended up with an ad-hoc desperate proceeding. It all turned out okay...Will be nice when all that's left is to listen.
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    You'd think they would wish him a happy birthday on the home page here. Did they forget? Thanks jrf. He said, "I gotta go, but my friends can stick around"
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    That 30 Trips sticker....
    It wasn't in the box. It was included with Dave's Picks 15.
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    In my 30 Trips box. Come to think of it, I also didn't get the usual packing invoice from Dead.net for the box. Unless, in my excitement, the invoice and sticker were flung under the couch while I unpacked the mega-box.
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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I did it... yes, reluctantly, I did it. My wife would absolutely kill me if she knew, but I have until Sept 18 to worry about that... As a release...I guess I had to do it so I___ (I'm drawing a blank here) I guess I would have felt bad if I missed the bus and heard how great a ride it was... so now I'm on a parked bus waiting until Sept to start moving! I hope it's worth it...you guys really didn't have to price it so high... you could have at least carved it up into 4 parts (FWIW).
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It's a bit overwhelming with the volume of shows and the price, but I'm in. The only concern I have is the packaging. Please just tell me that the individual show packaging in the box are nothing like the May 1977 box. I hated those oversized CD holders where the CD's slide around so much. I'm ok with either the Spring 1990 style or the Europe 72 style packaging. So will the 1977 show in this set be the Cornell show?
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if that is the case and 83 show is in fact Worcester.. isn't that same as Dick's picks release?? i remember that smokin scarlet fire. can someone confirm?
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if that is the case and 83 show is in fact Worcester.. isn't that same as Dick's picks release?? i remember that smokin scarlet fire. can someone confirm?
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Don't forget, only 1,000 folks will be able to purchase the download. TOO downloads were unlimited. Rock on
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This is very tempting but at $700 this will take a while for me to decide. I don't see this selling out anytime soon so I might jump when it is announced that there are 500 left (for example: see latest Spring Box).Nice set though.
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Don't forget, only 1,000 folks will be able to purchase the download. TOO downloads were unlimited. Rock on
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I knew I could find something to complain about: We already have the 4/15/70 Candyman!
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So many folks posting on here about how to hide this purchase from the wife / spouse. I say we come up with a collective game plan - something like "wow, this was so cool that they sold such a great set for only $100!" If we all agree to it, we can make it happen. Who's in? :-)
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So nothing comes off your card until: Sept 18?
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Let's not forget that there will only be 1,000 downloads sold for the 30 Year Box, while there was no limit placed on the TOO Box download sale. So once the downloads are gone, the box sale will pick up. There is no question this will sell out, it is just a question of time Rock on
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Looking at the Definitive Story track listing, it tells us what all the shows are going to be. I can't see forking over that much money for mostly shows I already have in good quality. Beyond that, I have never understood the box set deal. This is 2015. I just want the music and the flexibility to get the portions I want in download fashion. I need LESS stuff in my house. Whatever physical stuff I need, it's for my kids.
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Tried to place an order and have been in Processing mode for 1 1/2 hours. Dead.Net was clueless - as they said their systems were down as well.I have a temp charge on my credit card but no confirmation as to whether I have a box or not. What a mess. Now what?
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YES!
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...by the time I'm done listening to all these shows....he'll be 35!! :)
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Thanks for the posting the list of shows for this Box...Does anyone know if we're charged for it now, or in September when it ships?
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Looks great, I would love to have it, but way too rich for my blood. Dave's Picks 15 better be pretty f'n awesome....
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Dollars to donuts, it would figure if the 77 release is Barton Hall...
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This is such a splurge, but I'm in. The credit card isn't charged until Sept. 18th, so you basically have to save $200/mo. for the next 3.5 months. I couldn't stand to pass on this baby.
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Placed order and it hung on the screen "order being processed please wait". Charge hits my card but no confirmation or order number. Call customer service, about as useful as a screen door on a submarine. "Sorry, we can't do anything. Wait until tomorrow and call back." Wait, but I NEED to make sure my order for the 700 dollar limited edition item went through. "Too bad." Can you file a complaint for me about how poorly the website is being run? "Nope, I am just customer service wouldn't even know what to do." So as of right now I am just in the wind. Tried again a few more times same result. Have no idea if I have an order, but I do have 2250.00 worth of preauths on my credit card.
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Surprised they're both the same price-wouldn't the USB drive be a little cheaper without all the jacket materials, etc? The Europe box has proven to be the best deal they offered, 73 discs for $450 with shipping, (and before days of internet sales taxes) of one of the greatest tours by any band, anywhere, in the history of Earth. This still looks tempting, though (natch).
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. . . for an overpackaged box containing perhaps a dozen shows I'm interested in? Thanks but no thanks!
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The site is running slow, order processing taking along time, 2600 some odd guests online - I think this one is going to sell out fast like the Europe box.
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Just hoping these will be made available as 24/96 downloads. i'd love to get the box or even the USB, but just cannot justify it at present. After all, the first thing I would do is upload it to my laptop and iPad.My Europe '72 trunk, and TOO have been sitting there, since uploading them. Maybe if they're still available in a month ...... who knows. I just pre-ordered the smaller set on iTunes.
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Tickets too much, cd's too much, this old man will just have to reflect back on the days of the free concerts. To those that can afford this, have at it. I'm sure it's good.
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Shame there's nothing from '65 except a 45 that won't get played. Odd choice for 1995, I was really hoping for 5/21 in Vegas. Surely a show with Unbroken Chain should have been selected, 4/02 perhaps? Salt Lake City is a fun show though, just odd. I am really shocked they'd put out a show with Samba In The Rain!
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Not going to pay that much for the relatively few shows in this box that I'm actually interested in. I'm most saddened that Lindley Meadows is now off the table for a stand-alone release. Oh well.
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iTunes kind of spoiled the slow reveal surprise; the suspense would have been fun. The RS article confirms the 2-22-69 and 10-12-84 shows. The 84 one is a highlight for me. 3-20-92 has me excited too!
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two of the highest on the criminally unreleased list...most people know the 75 show, but if you want a real treat dial up 07/31/82. might be the best show of the 80's well done lemieux, et al. a worthy tribute to the 50th
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The USB chip is only limited to 1,000 - but I don't think the actual downloads will be limited. The Spring Box #1 can still be downloaded from the dead.net. Plus, you can also download some of the individual Europe 72 shows which is currently out of print.
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c'mon man...I tried ordering online, got the "your order being processed...." hanging for over thirty minutes...on hold, listening to Beethoven for another 30 minutes... I am willing to spend the 800 bucks for the 30 trips, but never had so much trouble giving away my money before.... ohhh wait, it gets better....got through on the phone, after waiting for 45 minutes...and the dude said they cannot do anything, their system is down, and he can't order it for me, or reserve it, nothing....great, why even bother listing a phone number? the dude said to let the "your order being processed...." spin for a couple hours, that is the only chance I have... Someone needs to plan this better...got blown out on Chicago, now this....
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I guess I should've sent the office the cool photos I have from this show a long time ago. It was a great day, though very foggy and cold in the Park. Hopefully someday the complete soundboard of Winterland 6/17/75 will be released as a Dave's Picks. Best version of "Peggy-O" ever, and the amazing show opener, the debut of "Crazy Fingers" (and Bill Graham's wonderful introduction).
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Assuming that 11/28/80 Lakeland, FL is the pick, the question needed to be asked. Hopefully Gainesville 11/29/80 will be a future Dave's Pick. Interesting choices, some great ones, some slight head scratchers (I'm looking at you, '88 and '90). Many that I've heard before, but some that were under the radar (and possibly one from the Mountain Girl tape stash?).
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While I thought the release this year was going to center around the possible return of the Betty Board shows this is just a monster release.Cheers to all those who had called a show from each year as what was going to make up the box set. Wife is going to kill me but I couldn't resist ordering this. I have every other official release and bonus disc so missing this gem would leave a massive hole in my personal vault of official releases. It is a bummer that they aren't going to release individual shows like Europe '72. Hopefully because of its size it will take awhile to sell out and allow people to save up a little or mentally and financially justify a purchase of this size. With all that being said, WOW, what a helluva a way to track the Grateful Dead's career and honor their 50th Anniversary!
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way to much to fast. too bad the Miami 10-26-89 show is in this box, also the 1980 Lakeland Fl show, I was at both, now I will never get to hear them in high quality. How much more can we fans take? first, 1000's of $ for a ticket, now 700 bucks for a few shows worth having, all I can say is, if you can afford this, more power to you. Another big disappointment to all us working fans.
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Hoping my order went thru, though my experience is similar- Frozen order confirmation page, and the pre-authorization is on the card. I didn't get a confirmation number- Hopefully there'll be a confirmation e-mail sent soon. Can't really afford to try again, one authorization is already too much.
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Just hang up now, customer service is useless. My order processing screen has been going for almost 2 hours now, customer service said call back tomorrow.
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I've been processing for 1 1/2 hours and nothing. Am I going lose out i
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Most of these tracks (if not the entire show) are available already, just not as official releases. So although there may be some gems in here, you can find great-quality, free downloads of this stuff at archive.org. Well, you *could*, anyway. Doubtless those freebies will be streaming only, now. But for those of us who already snagged them off archive.org, this set isn't as amazing as it could have been. Since this is (possibly) the last big, grand release, other than the occasional Dave's Picks, I have to assume that there isn't much in the Vault that hasn't seen the light of day by other means already - or there is some, but it's of terrible quality. There are a lot of shows from 1966 and 1967 that are unfindable at the moment. If they existed anywhere, they'd probably be in the Vault. But there are some more recent ones that aren't available for download, and I'm not sure why - 2/20/95 SLC, 6/14/94 Seattle, 3/17/94 Rosemont, 6/1/91 LA Coliseum, 5/6/89 Frost, 3/14/82 Davis, 2/6/79 Tulsa. These are all streaming on Archive. I don't think they've been released, but maybe I'm wrong. There is no real good reason to release these in one huge pile. It feels shortsighted to me, but I'm a consumer, not a businessman.
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I placed my order 3 hours ago and it was really slow, thought it would never go through and finally got my confirmation after maybe 7-10 minutes of just spinning doing nothing.
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any charge will most likely be an Authorization Hold. In some systems, pressing order more than once may cause another hold to show up. Hopefully that is not the case if anyone was using a debit card. Any charge should fall off in a few busines days. The website was tweaking out for a while, I wasnt able to place an order either. If an order is successful, it should access funds for a few days and then a charge will disappear. However, the funds were not taken. An actual charge should reappear when it is shipped. The big box has a few shows Dave mentioned in his Top 10 Essential shows everybody wished they were. 11.10.67, 2.22.69, and 10.12.84. I knew there was gonna be a catch to the DREAM BOWL. One of the ultimate skull splitters in GDHistory. Getting your hands on 2.22.69 will co$t ya $750 big ones.
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There are so many huge top shelf shows in this set. $700 bucks is just....yikes. Considering how much some people are asking for their Winterland '77 and Fillmore West '69 boxes, this is a steal. For once, I honestly cannot complain about a lack of variety here. I was at that 3/20/92.
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First, the clunkiness of this site. Try listening to the audio clips, and posting a comment at the same time... can't do it.The numbering of the comments is odd and confusing. Post a comment, and then you are back to the top of the page and have to scroll down to continue reading. Awkward. Website seems to not be able to handle all the traffic. What are you thinking? You offer a paltry 6,500 copies of this box, and you expect it to sell slowly? There are potentially MILLIONS of customers for something like this. If even 1% of the fans can afford the $700+ this costs, that's still many, many more than a mere 6,500. And 1,000 USB's? Seriously? Why not charge $4-500 for the digital only version and offer the same number as the physical set? I would really be curious to be at the meetings where these details are discussed. Some of these decisions don't really seem to make much sense. I'm sure the box, with the large book and extras will be beautiful. I have the Europe '72 trunk, and it's fantastic. But "30 Trips" is just too much money for me (and it appears that even trying to buy it today might be impossible). And Dave, I love ya, but get a friggin' windscreen for your video camera. The distorted stereo wind noise is incredibly annoying. You're talking to dedicated TAPERS out here... sound quality, even for little messages like the seaside chats, is important.
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I was there in fourth row right in front of Vince for his 44th birthday. Good times....
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when i listen to the 87 Dew included in the RS article ... wow. the guitar is just searing, psychedelic, and jerry's age-worn voice lends the perfect mood to the tune. i get the cry for more 80s.
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...is it a fact that the credit card isn't actually charged until this ships? Just the authorization now, but the actual charge later? Anyone know? Thanks.
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The sound quality of Morning Dew is off the wall! Can't wait for 30 Trips Around The Sun Box TOO next year!
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My order has been processing for over an hour. Got through to a helpful guy at customer service who informed me that the ordering system crashed. He took my e-dress, and said that they would e-mail me as soon as the problem was resolved. Many wanted lots of 80s and 90s. Many wanted the shows that were mentioned at the onset of the Dave's series. Many knew that this would be a MAJOR!! box. Many had many months to save. Many are complaining anyway? This box is fantastic!
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