30 Trips Around The Sun Box & Digital USB

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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December 25, 2015 - 5:53am

#501

purpleerik69

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Happy Deadhead X`mas...

to all of you here , i do enjoy this little thread of wise an not so wise thoughts.And yes i am thankful for my family to be around ( quite a big one with kids , grandchildren and parents ) and i am thankful to be alive on this plante with eyes to see and ears to listen. Just like Deniswilmot said : thank you Rhino and Mr L for Boxzilla and the Fare Thee Well box too ( which landed at my door on Dec.23rd ! ) - you made the soundtrack of my Life !
December 25, 2015 - 12:19am

#502

dantian

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And sister Jamesetta, thank you so much...
December 25, 2015 - 12:14am

#503

dantian

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And what say you, brother James?
December 25, 2015 - 12:06am

#504

dantian

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Since few people are up or commenting

forgive me if I indulge myself a bit:
December 24, 2015 - 11:51pm

#505

dantian

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Merry Christmas, All!

One of my favorites (I think I may have posted this last year, but it's definitely worth reposting anyway):
December 24, 2015 - 11:18pm

#506

Dogon

Joined:
March 23, 2009

Spin coming releases

The very excellent Spin out of Newcastle, England reported a few weeks ago that the first vinyl breakout of the 30 box set will be a 3 disc release of the Shrine show, bit surprised nobody picked up on the news, so, Ive put on my Jultomte (santa Claus)outfit to give the news as a present to all you out there in Dead land.
December 24, 2015 - 10:08pm

#507

Vguy72

Joined:
June 29, 2007

And then there's Kate.....

....always lurking, waiting to strike. I'm in a comfortable groove right now. Wrapping and jamming. Keeping the volume lower than usual though....don't wanna scare Santa away...Terrapin just crossed the horizon....
December 24, 2015 - 9:59pm

#508

Kate_C.

Joined:
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Dead Serious

SimonRob, your's is a curiously mixed message; yet, with respect to the assertion that, "I think we are all aware...", don't presume to speak for me, as I have no earthly idea of, or common experience with, what you say. "...but they are just not very good at production, quality control, customer service..." I purchase a lot of music and Rhino's releases are industry standard; in fact, the pendantics over at SteveHoffmanForums are currently percolating a thread regarding 'box sets that don't disappoint', which, conversely, also addresses complaints of substandard production specs - none of which are characteristic of the many Rhino releases populating my collection, to name a few: Phish NYE 95/Live Brooklyn; Circles/Sun; SF Nuggets; CSNY 74; Doors (Felt Forum, Hollywood Bowl, Vancouver, Pittsburgh, Weird Scenes); Smiths Complete; Pogues 5-cd set; No Thanks (70s punk comp); Left of the Dial (80s "underground"); the comprehensive lot of superbly packaged, documented, and accessorized Dead sets (May 77; E72; FW 69; Spring 90; 30T; Winterland 73/77); and at least a dozen others. Regarding QC & customer svc: out of 300+ Rhino discs, I've had problems with 5: 3 from E72 and 2 from 30T; all of which were replaced without further problem within 10 days of request. Brilliant. Defective product is a statistical reality in any line of manufacturing and these complaints should be rightfully resolved on a case-by-case basis; but there is nothing to suggest that Rhino is plagued by systemic dysfunction in any aspect of production or service. Indeed, given the apparent commercial success of their prodigious catalogue, I'd conclude the contrary. In summation, I shall join you in thanking Rhino for another year of spectacular releases./peace, Katherine Cole.
December 24, 2015 - 9:58pm

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nab

Joined:
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RE: RE: RE: nab

The thing I must be poor at getting across is that I'm only speaking to the objective nature of one format vs. another, not the subjective. Things that can be measured like accuracy of the data, time it takes to do a certain task, the tools used to accomplish a certain task, reducing the steps from Point A to Point B. A recipe off by a microliter, is still off by a microliter, even if you have to use a tool to tell the difference. Repeat the recipe wrong a number of times and the microliter adds up and is soon much more obvious. My perception of a drink mixed differently from the recipe is not the metric, the recipe is the metric. Subjectively, like I said, it's your music, enjoy it how you wish. God knows, you don't need my permission. Guess that's all I can say at the moment. If anyone wants to talk about the objective parts of this discussion, I'm all ears. I'm barely competent discussing my own subjective musings, I'm certainly no expert on anyone else's. I hope everyone enjoys the Holiday, I know I will.
December 24, 2015 - 9:12pm

#510

Mr.Dc

Joined:
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Happy Xmas

Hope everyone is getting to where they need to be safely, the pass here in WA is preventing some travels for sure.Here is a great band from Korea, surf/psych/instrumental,Recommended listening for tonight and tomorrow: the band "HE5" the album PSych Xmas. These guys really impress and they are doing this type music pretty early for their location and time, Korea 1968/69. Anyway happy holidays and check out HE5's Korean psych xmas album. Highlight is probably the Jingle Bells>GaddaDaVida>PIB jam> Jingle Bells 13 min track.

John Perry Barlow

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

Order Freeze

I spoke with customer service. She said they have the I.T. guys there now and are working to get it resolved. Best she could do was get my email address and let me know if it went through. :( Really helpful though :)

The Website has Crashed....

....I've gotten a similar "spinning" notification that the 30 Trips Box order is being processed, please wait....then nothing happens....but when I check my credit card online, it notes this charge is pending. I discussed this with customer service; the nice lady noted that indeed this has been happening and it was the result of the website crashing due to this activity and all of us wanting to get our hands on the box at the same time. The nice lady noted that just because my card has a pending charge, this DOES NOT mean I actually purchased it; in fact, she said unless I receive an email confirmation, consider it NOT ordered! She said a call back to GD Customer Service once it is back up and running will remove the erroneous pending charges. She DID NOT say, however, when this would be remedied online, only to keep checking back later in the day or tomorrow. So, unfortunately, anyone who gets the spinning NON confirmation, we're out of luck until an actual email confirmation is received.

Greetings Earthlings!

Must say I like this release. I've purchased every official release almost as a matter of conscience given all the free music the boys gifted us with. Not always pleased, but, if only as an investment, I could get a great return selling things on ebay, etc. Here is my question if someone in authoritie can answer: is the $799 immediately scooped from account, or is it not charged until it is close to ship date? Trying to remember from the Fillmore 69 Box and E72 Box, but can't. Thanks! Davey Concepcion for Hall of Fame. It's time. Scott

Teaming up

Ok - who here wants to hear everything in full quality FLAC? 24/96 is on the USB chip. This box set is pretty ridiculously priced, but what if chipped in (as suggested earlier in the thread) and got the USB chip?

Happy 50th

My lifetime Dead budget was surpassed a few years back (circa mid-2012), but hope you all enjoy this new monster. Sounds pretty cool. Still got plenty I haven't even listened to once, so seems like a good year to get around to changing that situation at least. 8*P

need help

Cannot order! My "order is being processed" now for about half an hour. Just waiting and waiting and waiting and don't know what to do ... can someone please help me!

Amos Moses

Fact. That is how it always works with the pre-sales and box sets

DJMac520

Many thanks and much appreciated. This will be easier to explain to the wife that way. Famous last words...

MSG '91

Doesn't everybody have soundboards of the 9/10/91 Branford show? (Which still isn't as good as 3/29 year earlier). Would prefer 4/1 Greensboro or 6/17 Giants or 3/21 with the great stir it up jam...Ahh, the complaining starts....

Did anyone actually place an order?

Did anyone's order actually go through?

That old same thing...The

That old same thing...The wheel is turning and can't hold an order. Called customer service. IT problems and advising folks not to try ordering. Will take your name and number and call you back when everything is working again. Guy said there was still plenty of sets available. Yeah cuz nobody can get through!

One thing not being discussed yet is the release of

10-26-89 and that incredibly darkest of Dark Stars on a very dosed last night of tour in Miami. The fact that this show and THAT Dark Star is getting the official treatment is positively giddy.

same old, same old

IT problems, don't try ordering now. "Yeah, but it could sell out-I GOTTA ORDER" And the wheel keeps turning in deadhead land, functioning more or less as efficiently as it ever has..

My order processed, took a while...

My order did process and I have the confirmation page printed out and the email to prove it! I ordered right at 10AM when I first saw it announced. Took a while, thought it wouldn't go through but it eventually did. Of course my wait was only an agonizing 7-8 minutes or so. And to answer the oft asked question - your credit card will NOT be charged until the box ships. Now, how to raise that kind of cash by mid-September. Anyone need some blood or plasma? Slightly used kidney?

IMPORTANT!!!

Make sure your confirmation email has a "Order Number".

Mr. Jack Straw

Based on the authorization holds, I may have ordered 7 box sets. Then again, I may have none.

My credit card said it is

My credit card said it is processing the order. But yeah, the wheel just kept turning and no confirmation email.

Quick draw

Just looked at my email box and saw that my order confirmation came in an hour and a half before the bulletin notice that this was going on sale. Sometimes its good to have a desk job!

Justification

Hmm: $700 for 30 shows = $23 per show release. With that math, it's not really an inflated price to pay, nor really a deal. Just too much at one time for most. I would assume most of us have the Dave's picks subscription which is $25 per show (and less "limited edition") or drool worthy than this package. I suppose the even rarer USB justifies it's same cost as the cd's, but yes I would have thought that would have been cheaper. Put me in the camp that has the significant others that would kill them if this was purchased. Final thoughts: Cool product and tribute to a great band/legacy. I also like the 4-cd set, that will sort of be like a So Many Roads part 2. Thanks for all of your efforts Dave! Do you really have to buy your own box!?

The people who designed this

The people who designed this site ate an ounce of shrooms during the planning, design, and implementation phases. A professional commerce site that can't handle a few thousand simultaneous orders? Seriously? Outsource the ordering process if you can't do it right.

DJMac520

Ouch. Or, maybe, sorry. Which, in either case, damn.

Amos Moses

I don't yet have a confirmation email, so I am guessing none went through. Customer Service said they can clean it up for me if it was ordered multiple times. Though I may actually keep one USB and one Box if that was the case.

It all makes sense...

...when you realize that the thing powering the online ordering process is that half-turtle, half-VW van creature. He's grown tired in his ripe old age. And yeah, for what it's worth, my wife will probably flip..no, no probably about it...flip, when she finds out, but what I have come up with in my afternoon genius session is that I will explain it this way...honey, for the next three months or so, I will not buy a single thing. Sound good?

I received a confirmation email!

I feel very lucky, after waiting for over an hour and 45 minutes (Your order is being processed, please wait) I finally received an order confirmation email. The box set will serve as an expensive consolation prize for not scoring tickets to any of the shows in Chicago. Not Fade Away!

Confirmation

Mine indeed went through with no problems,but that was about 9:30 MT.Confimation e-mail was almost instant. Hang in there folks! :)

DeadHead Director...

...a very good consolation prize and a good way to look at it. Which gives us all another possible explanation for our better halves...that we are actually SAVING money since we're not buying concert tickets (like the ones in Santa Clara are currently going for for instance). With this sound reasoning, we can't lose. I love it when a plan comes together.

Processing problems

I've emailed Customer services as no sign of order confirmation. Frankly they need to confirm the precise status of orders - the idea that they may have multiple orders (or not) with multiple charges (or not) lurking around waiting to go on your credit card is not very encouraging. I don't mind re-ordering if the original order did not go through and no charges were made but I am not going to risk it only to find multiple charges on my card later in the year.

1991

Yeah I agree that 9/10/91 was not the best 91 pick. It has the guest appeal but other shows from the year standout more to me performance wise. The set list doesn't compare well at all but the performance on 9/14/91, for example, is superior. 6/17 and 4/1 compare well on both fronts. The up shot of course is that we can look forward to those to be released some other time perhaps. Signed - another picky dead head.

Be creative and resourceful, people!

The clouds have parted and the Holy Grail emerges! Not even a moment's hesitation for me to pull out my credit card for this one. I've been prepared for this moment for months. The signs have been in place for a massive release all year. Many have said they squirreled away $500 bucks in anticipation of a release of this scale. Smart. But many others are shocked that there's a dreamboat product sitting in front of us for $700?! Sheesh... Color me unsympathetic. Sure, it's a lot of coin, but If you want this badly enough, you will find a way to make it happen! For instance... I have several friends that have been debating with me what the set would look like and its scale. We closed in on a Betty Box or a career-spanning Box, each with 50+ discs. We talked about sharing the cost of the box, with the person that orders it up front (and shoulders the debt and pays for shipping, that would be me) getting to keep the physical box and its documentation. Then, we pass around the discs for each to rip in whatever format we're interested in. Lastly, we'll have a lottery to determine who gets to keep the CDs from each show. We will draw for the picking order and take turns choosing shows, one at a time, until they are all divvied. Each of us gets all the music and 1/4 of the CDs for under $200. And each of us gets to read the documentation that comes with it at least once (which is all I need). For those that are bummed you can't buy individual shows, HAVE NO FEAR! It seems pretty obvious to me, given the iTunes listing this morning, that the system will be set up to sell shows, and even SONGS, individually on iTunes once the boxes are sold out. If you want the cynical justification... don't you think they'd make a lot more money by making a la carte offerings after the box is sold out? Hell yeah. As for the negativity swirling here, let's keep this in perspective. This is a very special thing the Dead world is doing for us. Less than $10 per disc. Demonizing TPTB as a money grabbing corporation out of touch with its fanbase, calling anyone who can afford this set a yuppy, and best of all, comparing GD management to the Koch brothers (REALLY, Pat fox?)... sour grapes. Another positive I get from this set is that two other suspicions for this box are still open to being tapped in the future. Namely, I see returned Betty tapes being released, and the '77 fan in me holds out hope for a second May '77 Box in the future. If there's one thing the Grateful Dead have taught me over the years, it's to be GRATEFUL. I, for one, am extraordinarily grateful that a band that has not performed in 20 years continues to feed me with wonderful memories and to keep the band relevant and vital in my life. Thank you to everyone that put hard work into making this and every release happen!

9-10-91

That might not even be the best pick from the first third of the MSG 1991 run.

@ Amos Moses

Yeah, that's the ticket! Tell the wife you saved money by buying this box! Thanks.Certainly sounds like Dead Head logic to me. Rock on

Uh-Oh

Probably only stating the obvious here- But if an order didn't go through, then how is the credit card charged? So, no confirmation email, no order number, but at least I was charged for it. There, I feel so much better about this. Ha.

hbob1995...

...for sure. I just have to craft a clever, witty comeback by her that we could have traveled to [enter destination here] for that amount. Not sure she will buy into the "hey, if we just play these discs and close our eyes we will be traveling" reasoning. Ah well, at least I'll be in good company.

Colossal Screw Ups

Multiple charges to my debit account that they now can't even release back to my bank.

5-3-86

Hah, finally a show from an underrated year everyone thinks is the worst. I remember it well, Phil steps up to the mike before the encore and says something like... "Bobby's strings are broken, Jerry's amp is blown and my mind's blown! So we'll see you tomorrow." The next day they played One More Saturday Night, with Bobby saying they'll start with last night's encore.

Less Demand

I'll pass and leave it open for 6500 others. We all know what these guys are capable of. No need to prove it with a single monster release. Prolonged suspense is a good thing. I would have preferred the remastered shows released at 1 per every 12 days throughout the year. Or 2-3 month. $23.- $30. each with the same art work for ease of packaging. Take what you want and leave rest.Striking while the interest is high. Enjoy to those that grab it.

Zuck,

Per Customer Service, the charge is just a hold, and will disappear. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE AN EMAIL YOU DON'T HAVE AN ORDER. Sorry to shout, but want to make sure people read this.

2 Charges - No Confirmation

I don't know what to do now.I have two pending charges on my Amex card and no confirmation from dead.net.

KeithFan2112

Please tell me you clicked "submit order" 4x. I am about to pull the trigger on this, but have only been holding off in light of the problems people are mentioning. And, although I have no detailed knowledge on how this works, I don't think it's an actual charge, but just an authorization, which will drop off after a period of time. I don't think we are able to use PayPal or any type of debit cards for this one...if so, then I really feel for those with multiple "authorizations."

'being processed" But is it, really, GDM?

So if I'm getting that "your order is being processed, please wait" for over twenty minutes now in my one browser window, does it eventually go through? Don't want try again and be charged more than once and then have to deal with calling them.

Mr. Jack Straw

Per customer service, you MAY still have an order even without an email because the crash of the server prevented all from getting processed and emails. While those who have an email do have an Order, it is possible those without (at this point in time) an email MAY still have a processed order once the cybersmoke clears.

Not to state another obvious

Not to state another obvious issue, but if the processing system is down WTF are they still allowing people to put orders in......

My Cart is Empty

When I click on "ADD TO CART" for either the box set or USB nothing gets added to my cart! Is this a symptom of "the system is down" or "sold out"? I'm thinking the former. Also, Beethoven on the phone is nice!

DJMac

The fact that they're giving us completely different information doesn't bode well.

maybe another obvious

Customer Service said not to close your browser window.

No it does not Mr. Jack

No it does not Mr. Jack Straw. No it does not.

Never, ever, ever, close the

Never, ever, ever, close the browser window or you get no boxed set. Signed, the customer service people who probably have no clue what they are talking about.

My Cart is Empty

How long have people waited?

I've been processing for over an hour.

KBAR

kbar, there is no use putting an order in, you are going to get a preauth on your card and no order to show for it. Hopefully they have taken action to prevent ordering. Boxes can't be sold out because the system has been down since right after the email went out. Mr. Jack Straw, I have 3 windows processing, one has been going for 3 hours. The others for less, no luck with a confirmation on any, and I closed 1 window for good measure. Up to 3000 in preauths now....

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