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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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  • claney
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    From Uncut magazine: Heads up! Next month’s Uncut – on sale July 28 in the UK – comes with a FREE GRATEFUL DEAD CD: our historic attempt to piece together the album that should have followed “Workingman’s Dead” and “American Beauty”… Read more at http://www.uncut.co.uk/uncut-editors-diary/fare-thee-well-the-grateful-… ---- I am looking forward to this. Often wondered what that studio album would have looked like. Here is what I picture: SIDE ONE Bertha Ramble on Rose Mr. Charlie Tennessee Jed He's Gone SIDE TWO Jack Straw Chinatown Shuffle Brown Eyed Women The Stranger / Two Souls Wharf Rat
  • kaustin7
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    Agree with the comments about Red Rocks! I have been fortunate enough to see WSP play 24 shows there since 00. I am still glowing from the Fare Thee Well experience in Chicago! What a run, the atmosphere was nothing but amazing and positive. 70,000+ people just singing and dancing. Truly a memorable experience! Everyone I met at soldier field was super friendly and kind. Absolutely loved this past weekend!
  • Travis Loscher
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    Without a doubt the coolest venue I have been to .Saw the Allmans there in 96 and tentcamped about a mile away.Lightning over Denver most of the show was really cool.The other funny thing was the campground host looked like the prospector from Toy Story.Even funnier when he said if we were there to see Phish we could turnaround and stay somewhere else.He must have known something we didn't..I think it was soon after that they practically boarded up Morrison during their run
  • chilly1214
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    I lived outside of Boulder for 15 years and saw many an artist at Red Rocks. A most amazing venue!
  • Oroboros
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    Please, please all who read these words go to Red Rocks to see
    a band that you enjoy. It is a "peak experience" without equal. And brother Dedicated indeed reminded me of my maiden voyage in this fantastic venue 37 years ago yesterday evening. And then we came back to the 7/8/78 show to bask in the Grateful Dead's glow again. . The boys were in fine form!! I implore all who read this post or my account of those '78 Dead shows (see below), make plans in the future to head out to Denver, take someone you love, and visit Red Rocks to experience any music that you enjoy. It will be 'better'. Give your head/heart this gift. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
  • jrf68@hotmail.com
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    Oroboros is not kidding...
    My only Red Rocks show was Bunny Wailer opening for String Cheese years back.Great show and FANTASTIC venue! Go see someone you love at Red Rocks. You will not regret it. :) edit: For any WSP fans out there that haven't been,the joint's got flash-flood warning signs that read "Climb To Safety!"
  • Oroboros
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    I agree some 73 would be delightful and welcomed.
    I just got a prompt from a buddy reminding me of that summer of 1978, when the Dead first played at Red Rocks July 7 & 8, 1978. First the Dead actually circled back to play Nebraska. I know I have told this one before, but here it goes again. You know how us oldsters repeat ourselves all the time. At least that is what my kids tell me. They played the Omaha Civic Auditorium, where the Dead played once before in 1973.. We got there and the venue was half full (about 4,000) but everyone was chomping at the bit in anticipation to hear them live. I took my Nak 550 into the venue and there was no hassle getting the deck in this time, but remember these were the days before ‘tapers sections’. And each venue or even staff may present a different challenge. But not here, thank goodness. Out in the hallway, the Hell’s Angels wandered about sporting full colors and big grins. They may have been transporting ‘party favors’ and decided to take in a show. Or maybe the Angels were just road tripping with the band (although I didn't see them at the next few shows). My buddy even brought his 68 year old mother to the show. She sat up in the stands “It is just too loud down there!” Anyway, I headed down to the floor with my Nak 550 to set up in front of the soundboard. When I started to get my gear set up and saw this guy beside me with a great rig. Luckily this kind stranger (I have since discovered he was famous taper Bob Wagner) then let me patch out of the back of his deck, which was wonderful as he had a great 8 ft. tall mike stand set-up. He had a Sony deck and mics, but with that high stand his mic’s were well above the crowd noise. We were about 15 to 20 feet in FOB. So Garcia treated us to a blistering Sugaree opener, the kind that drove the crowd wild. His leads mounted into a wave that crests, recedes, regroups, and comes back rolling in with such power and delight that adds a synergistic effect to our frenzied response as his rolling/soaring guitar work lift and subside with that band. Then Beat In on Down the Line, TLEO and now it was Bob’s turn in the spotlight with a Look’s like Rain. About halfway through the song, I suddenly noticed something shimmering in the air between the band and me. I thought “what a fantastic light show! Or have I have shifted into fifth gear just a little early that I scheduled?” I staggered towards that disturbance in front of me to investigate. People were dancing wildly in the middle of the floor as a waterfall played over them. It was about 25 feet in circumference. I put my hand in, water…hand out, no rain..I am standing in front of an indoor waterfall. what to do? I jumped into pouring rain that was INSIDE the middle of the auditorium! Then I stepped back and was out of it. I shook my head and then lunged back into the deluge and danced through Looks Like Rain & then during Direwolf as well and a delightful All Over now. (Complete with Donna in perfect pitch!) Then Candyman and Lazy>Supplication before Bobby informed us “We’re going to take a short break”. I staggered back to reload a new tape and then I did look for some validation of my experience. And I asked my friends if I was not in fact ‘soaking wet’ as I patted my soaked shirt. They grinned knowingly and affirmed that, yes, in fact I was “all wet”. And then this unique show continued, (nice indoor water-feature, boys !) with a killer second set complete with a transportive Estimated> Eyes> drums> Wharf Rat> Truckin> Iko Iko> Around. And then after a lengthy absence from the stage the boys returned to play us ‘Promised Land” as an encore. As I left the auditorium I noticed the water standing on the ground outside, a summer storm? Was this a case of a leaky roof or didn't the Dead just conjure up the forces of nature as they were so prone to do? But back to the important stuff, what were the Dead going to do next? Would Phil rev up his reverse gravity machine and pummel us with Phil-bombs at the next show? Would they levitate the crowd, and have us all dance while floating in the 'cool Colorado range'? I HAD to follow them to those Red Rocks shows in 1978. So a road-trip to Colorado it was. This was the Dead’s first Red Rocks jaunt (and my first as well, although my girlfriend (now wife) had seen Joni Mitchell there previously and raved about the venue) so my anticipation was so ‘high’. (In many ways.) So I packed my taping and camping gear and off we went. When we walked up to the Rocks entrance, the Feyline security crew (or were they the John Scher guys?) were stopping people and inspecting any 'carry in' bags. I thought 'uh oh, this looks rougher than Omaha Nebraska'. A security behemoth that I will call “BigBoy’ stopped me at the entrance to look through my Boy Scout backpack. He hefted my NAK 550 out of the pack and held it aloft with one beefy paw, exclaiming “Hey, you can’t take this in!” I gave him my best perplexed look and said “What it’s just a tape player.” (first lie) Then the giant BigBoy instructs me to “take that back to your car”. I retorted “I can’t, I hitchhiked to the show” (second lie). Beefy Bruiser BigBoy points to my ticket and says “the ticket says no recorders on it, you can't take it in” and I tell him “look I don’t have any microphones” (third lie) and hold up my arms to be searched (of course my comrades had the mics with them). Then I sighed loudly and popped open the back of the Nak deck and let eight D cell batteries drop onto the ground. “Look, I dumped out the batteries, it can't record”. (lie number four) BigBoy stood there with his arms crossed in front of me, but I could see a small crack in his resolve. So I pulled that thread “Look, I hitchhiked all the way here from Nebraska to see this show, would you hold onto this deck for me? It cost me $600 (which in ’78 was a lot of dough) but if you just hold it for me, and then I will find you after the show. You look like an honest guy.” (fifth lie, this guy didn't look trustworthy). I push the Nak towards him, and this deck is huge and weighs a ton, (a goddamn boat anchor). I really played my trump card here and was trying to hold my ‘gameface’, Suddenly all the heads waiting in line behind (and all my friends) erupt with yells at the BigBoy to hurry up and started chanting “let us in”. BigBoy gives his mullet a shake and then he points into the venue and looks at me and exclaims “Go on, get out of here” and I dive headlong into my first Red Rocks show with a grin a mile wide(high)! Followed by Mary with my mics and my buddies with my fresh batteries (re: lie number four) and my blank tapes. The batteries that I dumped out for BigBoy were already ‘dead’ (pun intended). I again ran into that ‘kind stranger’ (Dr. Bob Wagner, FOB right side)) to plug out of his Sony again. Those two shows were stupefying, and the band obviously enjoyed playing there. Bobby's deer joke, and I remember Phil leading the boys through “Cold Rain & Snow” with his bass punching that tune into a triumphant ‘strut’ that evening.I recall Jerry broke a string during the Scarlet>Fire, which really didn't slow the pace of that perfect evening. On into Dancin' >NFA > Black Peter > Around & Around and then a dual encore of US Blues & Johnny B Goode. The next night was much the same. Each night we would watch the clouds chase each other in the sky as the band serenaded us. Until it became dark and then we looked out ‘over’ the Dead to see the distant lights of Denver sparking in the background. Second night second half, we were treated to a tremendous Estimated > Other One> Eyes of the World > drums> Wharf Rat > Franklin's Tower > Sugar Mag. The crowd was especially raucous as Wharf Rat wound to that tender quiet point and Phil (or was it Bobby) gave a "shhhhh" to still us in preparation for that wonderful 'launching' platform/crescendo. Those evenings the Dead's aural wonders were matched with the Red Rocks astounding visuals as we were perched in between those massive stony slabs jutting into the sky. The Dead's stage view was spectacular as well looking up at the throng of deadheads dancing sandwiched in then red rocks with the stars twinkling above us. As the Dead those two evenings took us all on an astounding journey of Americana, myth, rock and roll, country, space, jam, fable, fun, roller coaster, and turn on a dime delights, it all 'rolled into one'. And then as the Dead finished us all off with “Werewolves of London” we were all crooning back to the dead with our own howl of “Aoooooo”. And Garcia was grinning ear to ear as he bid us all a “good night”. Happy July 8th. The Teacher opens the door, but you must enter by yourself.
  • estimated-eyes
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    Those were a two of the first shows I had on cassette back in 1988 and night one is still one of my favorites. The second set is just plain old solid-- really good China-Rider, Estimated-Eyes with a good peaking solo from Jerry in Estimated (as you all have been discussing). It has always been disappointing that better quality recordings haven't surfaced of Alpine 85 and 87.
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    One show I really love is the third night of Irvine, April 19th. Doesn't hurt that this was my first run of shows, my 14 year old life was changed forever for which I am eternally grateful! While there are no big jams, indeed only Wharf Rat threatens to hit the 10 minute mark, the execution is very strong, Brent is definitely on and it's a really fun listen with a unique setlist.
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    And you used a THIN black Sharpie? Should've used at least a FINE black Sharpie...
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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I have been wondering, does anyone think we will ever see any $100.00 box sets again?
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Hopefully we get a March 77 Winterland box for $100 But I think they may eventually at least as far as I am concerned "jump the shark" & present a $1,000 box. The demand is there and we are not so far off.
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Depends on what you call those Chicago packages, it's a matter of semantics. If you think it was ok to sell a 2700 dollar experience consisting of a vip lounge, poster and shuttle ride from your hotel and require an additional ticket purchase, and that this isn't scalping, no problem I guess. I'd say that this isn't any different than buying extra box sets and then selling them for what the market will bear. Ymmv.
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....if you are not interested in the whole package as a collectable item (I am not), then who in their right mind, or even pretty wasted mind, would ever pay one penny for any single disc? I mean every single show will be available on youtube that afternoon, and in higher quality on assorted sites, that same week. Pay $65 for a mastered recording of a '93 dead show?!? Hell, you can actually send any digital version of any show you have to any number of websites these days and get it mastered for free! A guess the whole relationship/attitude towards Dead show collecting is different if your relationship with the band is also later than the period when you got copies of shows for free from folks like me who recorded live. $65 for a show, the mind doth boggle! I would LOVE to throw a garage sale and have all the folks willing to pay this show up, I would be a millionaire at the end of the day!
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Yes, we will most definitely see $100 box sets again. These shows come to mind: - April '69 Ark? - Dec '69 Ark???? - Aug '72 Berkeley Community Theatre? - Oct '72 Fox Theatre? - Jun '80 Midnight Sun ?? There's half a decade's worth. I would gamble with the pre-order gnomes for each and every one of these offerings.
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allman I truly hope so. This is a special occasion thing. The last huge box was what? 2-3 years ago. The May 77 box was a very well put together concept at a very good price I felt. Even the Spring 90 boxes seemed a lot to me and I skipped them. This box for a lack of a better term has it all. This is the gift that will keep on truckin' for awhile. But I do hope and believe this is as big as it will get for some time. Ugh isn't there a new Jerry release coming out soon too?
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It's tough to say how many should have been produced. The only thing I think I can say without having statistics at my disposal, is that the record company wants to make as much money as possible without sitting around with overstock in their warehouse. I think we would need the following data on every LIVE box set they've produced in the past: 1) How much did it cost to produce the box set (per unit cost)? 2) What was the price tag of the box set to the consumer? 3) How many units of each box set were produced in the past? 4) How many units were sold of each box set each week, until it sold out? 5) How much other product was produced in the past year (this would impact the market's available capital). 6) Compare statistics from the period of the bands career that the box set spanned (i.e. 1977 vs 1990 for example) 7) Compare statistics from the overall price tag (i.e. $199 vs $450, etc) So, I would need to know a lot more about the past numbers to make an intelligent guess at the right number. I'm sure there are other valuable pieces of data that could be used from the past to project a good number, but I don't actually get paid for this, so I'm going to stop at what seems immediately obvious to me. It must be a difficult task for Rhino - they're dealing with a band like no other, in terms of the profile of their followers and the quality of their music (by quality, I mean every show is unique - as someone pointed out earlier with Yes - 7 shows of the same set list performed the exact same way is a much different story than what we get with the Grateful Dead). The two big x factors I see in this particular release: price tag and the years it covers. $700 is a lot more to consider spending on this than the $450 on Europe '72, so it's in a class of its own. And the years of the band's career that this box set encompasses is unique, as it combines all eras (and clearly there are market stratums that exist with this band). I will say this - I read in interviews with both Dave Lemieux and Dr Rhino that Europe '72 sales far exceeded expectations. That tells me there is a certain "I don't f@#kin know" factor to all of this, that even the professionals at Rhino can't account for, as demonstrated by the comment made in the advertisement for this box set, that the number 6500 represents the year the band came into existence. They guy who wrote that is going to read my comments and offer me a job most likely.
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...the historical importance of this box. It has none. The Europe '72 box definitely does, which is why I had my library purchase it. This is just a collection of random shows, happens to be one from each year, so what? This is a case of manufactured, both literally and figuratively, importance. If you happen to like this selection of shows, and happen to like most/all of them, and happen to have a pretty big cookie jar, well go for it, but don't think you are getting some document of historical interest.
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"Don't think you're getting a document of historical interest." It seems this box does have a great deal of historical signifance to many fans, not just DL. The span of years, variety of musical incarnations, in addition to the continually evolving nature of their live performances, give this box a very unique look into the band's performing history.
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appears to be an academic... certainly a researcher - nonetheless, an interesting point of view
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....Just to keep the record straight, it's K-Tel, with one L!! I have many of their fine LP's in my collection. :-)
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Just curious - if there were no other official releases available from the Grateful Dead, would you say that 30 Trips has historical significance?
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Most of your analysis factoring in the unknown stats, x-factor, and Dave and Dr. Rhino's "We do this for a living and even we get @#$%ing stumped on the amount of product to release in limitation" are what crossed my mind too; but, I am too slow of a typist to focus long enough to get it done( I should work for Dead.net customer service!). Who the hell knows?!?! Yes you should indeed be offered a job in 'loan-enforcement.' Perhaps a pre-order deposit of 25% before they decide on the final number of 6500 or whatever? Build it and they come?
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No CD or CD set -- not this one, not Europe 1972 -- qualifies as a document of historical interest. It's a peak in the heights of pretension to claim one set does and the other does not. The original master recordings, at least some of them, potentially. Your retail CDs? Nope.
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The right number of copies to produce? If the set sells out in under 48 hours, it was too few (most Dave's Picks, and hence the reason for the gentle annual creep in the production run). If you're still hawking the set after 6 months, it was too many (Spring 1990 TOO). Anything in between there is pretty damn good (most every other limited release). When they get a weekend in on this one, and when they get a change to run the inevitable Sirius XM special touting the boxset, then we'll see what happens. I'm betting they called it pretty well, once again. If they don't sell out before the July shows, I have no doubt they'll unload the rest during that run.
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There is a record shop in the UK advertising pre-orders of 30 trips for £799.98 .... at today's rate that works out to $1230 !
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With the multiple order snafus factored in RRot you are probably right that they judged this one correctly. Some of the initial sales reports reminded me of painful TicketBastard skullduggery in which as soon as the ticket sales start they sell mediocre seats to induce 'panic buying.' And the great tickets go to the 'secondary-market' almost immediately. Regarding the secondary ticket market and Fare Thee Well, I hope a lot of tickets get kicked back to the box office 'the day of.' Don't' these profiteers know that there are heads who would not even pay the Core Four face value if Phil, Bob, bill and Mick were personally selling tix on ShakeDown Street?
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This is just too good to pass up - My question to Grateful Prof still stands - if there were no other official releases available from the Grateful Dead, would you say that 30 Trips has historical significance? And to rrot - If all Grateful Dead live master tapes were destroyed in a fire (or lost on somebody's houseboat for years uncounted), would any one CD set (Europe '72 Complete) qualify as historically significant?
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Another cost factor for them to analyze is the cost of warehousing. This would include cost of the square footage required to store and labor required to maintain inventory. There is certainly a cost associated with housing inventory for years on end. Perhaps not a huge number but one that adds up over time. The Terrapin Limited release for example; that release is almost 20 years old now and still in stock/inventory. Someone has been paying costs including utilities and maybe even rent to store those things. It all has to be accounted for if you really want to mind your costs and be profitable.
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Discs have to be made, this costs money. Books have to be printed, this costs money. Boxes have to be made, this costs money. Artwork has to be commissioned, this costs money. Restoration work on 80CDs worth of music, tons of time and no one will do that work for free. Mastering the CD costs money. Printing out the scroll that no one will look at twice costs money. Licensing fees for all those cover tunes. It all adds up. Lot of upfront costs to put something like this together. Lots of production costs to put something like this out. They're not exactly sitting on a goldmine here. The price is totally justified. How much does a single disc new release cost? Multiply that by 80, yeah. Stop whining.
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It pains me to think about left over stock. What happens to this stuff? Does it just sit and rot away? Does it get thrown away?
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I'm sure they will, as they did for the Europe 72 set. And, if only they could put them up on the website, so we can use them without having to scan them... I find it really cheap of them to not provide artwork with each release.
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I think / hope that everyone who reads / posts here is a fan of the GD. I certainly hope trolls don't come here just to create trouble but who knows? I myself do not have enough time in my life for something like that on any site. Rhino has been in business for 37 years and has been a partner with the Dead for the past 10 years. I have to think they know a little more about selling merchandise then I do. Call me crazy if you don't agree with that. I am sure that every single release that comes out will have detractors, whether for price, content, artwork, or something. There will also be those who feel they are entitled to everything for free. That is not just the case in this world the last time I looked. This box is very fairly priced considering what you are getting. If it is too expensive for you, I am sorry about that. I really do feel for the true Head who cannot afford it. When the E'72 box came out I could not afford that, so I passed on it. Did I come on here and complain that it was too expensive? No, I did not. I just manned up, kept my mouth shut and envied those who were able to order it at that time. Thankfully this time I am taking the plunge, even though once again it will be a bit of a stretch for my wallet. Coming on here and expressing your views is fine, but let's all try to remember that not every release will be perfect for everybody. This argument of eras is ludicrous in my mind. I am a fan of the good ol' Grateful Dead. I think that every single release / show has some merit and showcases the band on that given night. I want to hear them all, warts & all. That is what makes this band unique. They don't take everything back to the studio and cover up mistakes. You get it the way they played it that day. If today's show did not float your boat, come back to tomorrow's show and give it another shot. Dick Latvala said it best. Caveat emptor. I for one am never disappointed. This box is what a lot of us have been asking for. A complete 30 year joy ride. Sit back and enjoy! Rock on
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I'm currently wrestling with my conscience, debit card in hand! Why can't they provide some photos of what's inside the box! I'm not overly keen on the artwork to be honest. Most importantly I dont want to buy it and find out its disks inside some elaborate pack that just slip in and out... If they are stand alone packages inside like E72 was than holy shit, I'm in! I'm slightly worried that this may not be the case however... Dave and co know they have a problem with people buying releases and then scalping them on ebay for profit. Here we have 30 releases of which many people only want some... The scalping opporunity is HUGE! I'm wondering if they may have decided to have all disks in some elaborate box containing slip cases without each show having its own packaging (think a BIG So Many Roads Box Set). This would solve the scalping problem, who wants to buy 3 loose disks?? Is this why they haven't shown us the contents of the box? I know that if it were apparent this was the case with this release than many people would not buy, me included. Does anyone think this could be true??
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If everything else in the world -- master reels, everyone's discs, cassettes and LPs, the archive.org servers and everyone's computer backups -- were destroyed in a conflagration caused by the collision of the Earth with a giant comet, and only my back-up CDr of disc 4 from the Fillmore box set survived (because I buried it deep in the backyard along with my Archie & Veronica comic book collection -- just in case of such a calamitous event! -- would that CDr be a valuable historical document?? I dunno. Better call in a professor!
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Not to belabor the point too much, but my guess is that the CD's, printed material, licensing fees, mastering costs, marketing cost, and employment of the engineers is roughly half the cost of each set. Add to the fact that Rhino paid $10 Million for the rights to vault, there is not a ton of profit in this for them. Maybe, 25% at best. It is just crazy to think that people would complain about that.
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Hmmmmm, good point...... God I hope not.... I had envisioned each show being in a beautiful stand alone pack with liner notes..... Shit.....
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Usually does not get thrown away, but ends up in discount bins...remember LPs with bb holes, or cut corners? They were leftover dead stock.
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Well in terms of liner notes... When I read there was a 288 page booklet it started to get me worried, I automaticaly presumed that this would contain a chronological run of liner notes about each year and then the show. What in the hell else are they going to be talking about for 288 pages! So with that in mind I doubt there will be seperate liner notes for each show, which then made me think well it would be stupid to have seperate packaging for each show but with all the liner notes in one big book. If all your liner notes are in one place then surely you would [ut all the disks in that same place. This is what got me very suspicious that this box set may end up to be a big picnic hamper with fold out slip sleeves for the disks and the big book inside. I hope this is not the case but if it is then I don't think I'll be buying it. The problem is I bet they succeed in scare mongering everyone into preordering before this fact comes to light. I pray that I am wrong *EDIT* If each of these 30 'trips' is in its own slip sleeve resembling tabs of acid I will be physicaly sick! Reason I love the whole Dave Picks Series is each show gets its own moment in the spotlight which is no less than these great shows deserve!
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I don't think this box is overpriced at all. I have no problem with Grateful Dead Merchandising or Rhino. I have tons of GD merchandise all of high quality bought at fair prices and delivered to my door. Hell yeah! I'm not buying this box because it's not worth $700 to me. Overpriced is solely defined by the market. Overpriced doesn't sell.
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Hola!! Not sure how many are left, but just pulled the plug. Continue my string of buying every official release as a matter of good faith for the bounty of freebies the Boys have laid on us over 50 years. A bit disappointed as really was hoping for Lexington 4.21.78, not just because only time they played my hometown, but as So Many Roads shows with Stella, it is a strong show. But, that is quibbling . . . thank you DL2! Anyway, I only use debit cards, so ended up having to get my bank to increase my anti-fraud online limit I set of $500 last year, and forgot about it! So, I had to say a little prayer last evening the run would not be totally sold out by today. Thanks again DL2! You continue to show your impeccable taste and vision and its appreciated. My only criticism . . . GO INSIDE FOR YOUR DANG VIDEOS! As an attorney, I will happily negotiate this item into your employment contract . . . only make listenable videos! DCFOH It's time. Kentucky Scott PS to folks going to Shytown - HAVE A BALL! Wish I was going but didn't score on mail order. Oh well, the stories will be good to hear. Having attended the 2002 GD Reunion at Alpine, I know you'll have fun . . . though hard to imagine topping that extravaganza Deadpalooza: every core 4's own band; two nights of the Core 4 as The Dead; a temporary Dead memorabilia museum; release of McNally's book with a signing; our own "newspaper" both days; interviews with Ramrod, Parrish, Mountain Girl, Candace, etc . . . and getting to actually meet and mingle with them and more in the general area (I watched all of Billy's band with her in a near empty shell). Oh well, enjoy!
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Dave said he doesn't think he has ever seen a better presentation then this box. I think each show will be packaged separately like the Spring '90 boxes.I certainly hope so anyway. Rock on
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Too much "I wanna tell you how its' gonna be" and not enough "One man gathers what another man spills" on this issue.
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Might need some audience patches, but June 6/4-7/70 Fillmore West would make another great one.
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You keep on defending the price which is certainly your right. And yesterday you were posting that there are less than 900 left & they'll be gone by Thursday. And saying that whomever does not pull the trigger will feel bad & most certainly pay more for it on Ebay. Well I do feel bad that I can't afford to pull the trigger. But I also think that if indeed it sells out soon, then that somehow justifies your own purchase. It's a little off putting hearing the get it while you can or you'll pay more later on. It certainly is a treasure chest of goodies & I am happy you are getting it. I'm guessing that it was probably painful to see the E72 sell out, that is how a few of us will feel when this sells out. I am guessing that most of the people who are on these boards are true fans & even more so the Heads that buy up all these releases. This is a Forum for Dead Heads but really it's the GD/Rhino site to promo all the new releases that are for sale. So I doubt there are trolls looking to cut people down. I also apologize if I come off that way. Unfortunately I do have a little bit of sarcasm in me every now & then. I am grateful for this site & for the chance to voice an opinion every now & then.
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Just sent you a PM.
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Get a grip. Wait a minute. Maybe you're right. In fact, maybe you're not paranoid enough by half! What if -- now hear me out! -- what if it's just 80 discs thrown into a Clarks' shoebox with a stealie sicker on it. And the discs are just crammed between the pages of the 288 page book??? Sure, you might think, well, a book that big won't shift around too much in transit -- at least if the shoes were originally of a narrow width, I mean -- so that will keep the discs protected. But, DO WE REALLY WANT TO TAKE THAT CHANCE!?!!??!???
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No hard feelings. I guess maybe I am a bit amped so please excuse me for that, but it is nothing more then my enthusiasm for this release and for Dead music in general. I do not work for Rhino but I do feel this set, while expensive, is priced reasonably. And yes, the count I had yesterday was incorrect due to the computer snafu on Tuesday when folks were actually getting multiple orders. No one can defend Rhino for that screw up! Totally inexcusable for such a company. And I also think that while I love Dave's videos outside, if he cannot do a better job with the wind then it is time for a new venue for his announcements. I look forward to those too, but the beginning of this one is almost enough to make me bag it. The wait between now and the end of Sept. is going to be a long one. Good thin we have DaP15 before then. Rock on
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Priced reasonably and priced affordably are not synonymous terms. This is priced reasonably in terms of cost relative to volume of value being provided, even if it is not priced affordably for many.
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Hey Dennis funny stuff. And do you have K-Tel's Box Car Willie Lp? Real Gone Music does not. Can you engage in copyright infringement and somehow burn me a cdr of an Lp? Or am being Dumberer? Will the FBI or the ghosts of Pinkerton Rail-Road Detectives working on behalf of Mr E.H. Harriman of The Union Pacific Railroad kick in my door and arrest me? LOL! K-Tel now there was a Co. that knew how to advertise and get the numbers right. K-tel brings back memories. With all of the whining about whining, or is it bitching, together with the short term memory issues of DHeads both inside Dead.net and outside I am not very concerned with what people write here and their reactions -- they won't even remember it the day after yesterday, uh, I think.
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Any ideas which shows may have more content than what we know? It seems 7/3/66, 10/20/68, and 4/15/70 are top contenders for extra songs.
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I would like to see this as a "Music Only Edition" and at a cheaper price, similar to the Europe 72 Complete Recordings, that is still available thru dead.net. Or the individual shows, a la carte those shows are still available. I can do without the book , 7" vinyl single or the scroll, the Music is the most important item here, and it always was, and will be for me.I LIKE THE SELECTION OF SHOWS IN THIS RELEASE.
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This Box Set is something else man.What, no vinyl release? Just a little joke (Very little…) But seriously, I would like to own some of my favorite attended New England shows included in 30 Trips without some of the other years as many in this forum have stated. Cape Cod '79, Augusta'84, Oxford'88 stick out for me. If anyone is piecing out their own set, Do let me know via PM please and thanks. shwack in nh
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Looks like about 2390 left. Still got time, for folks who need to save up.
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