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The band says Happy New Year with an announcement of almost twenty shows in April and May.  More details to come!

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hey man you and i are in same spot, i got rejected for MSG mailorder adn i think they put us in this thing as a consolation prize. It is weird to send out notice that we are in adn then not follow up. I'm hesitant to send an email since they say they dont want that. i guess its almost a miracle eh? who knows maybe tomorrow morning something good will come in the old email.
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ok I know folks have been careful about not revealing contents of the message sent, and with good reason I can see already. but this needs to be shared.. last thing I wanna see is a riot at the door of the show: The person accompanying them must be the same individual whose name is provided upon entering the ticket giveaway and this person must also provide a valid state-issued PHOTO ID in order to enter. now maybe they will be lax, but I wouldn't bet an expensive last second airline ticket on it.
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First, ratdog.org, philzone.net, and dead.net each seem to have their own allotment of tickets. From what I have read, the first venue capacity is about 400, blender at gramercy around 500 and roseland about 3,000. Dead.net has a certain allotment of tickets, the 1000 or so to roseland is not the only tickets. Ratdog.org and phils site also have tickets. There also seems to be some confusion in regard to the emails sent out. According to the email sent by ratdog.org, you do not need to reply or confirm that you accept the tickets. The email is the only thing you have to get your tickets. I read someone say that the email from dead.net needed to be conirmed then you get a second email which is used to get the tickets. The ratdog.org email was only one time. In regard to people trying to get "extras" there is none. The only people that will get in these shows have to have the email and the winner and guest listed are the only people admitted. You can not bring anyone else. This is to avoid people selling tickets, if they let u change the name of the guest u listed than u can theoretically sell the ticket and give the spot to the highest bidder. So, if your name is not listed on an email from dead.net, ratdog.org or phils site, you are not going to get in. It clearly states on the complete rules page at http://www.dead.net/official-rules that only the people listed in the email will be admitted and there will be no exceptions. I suggest that everyone look over the official rules: http://www.dead.net/official-rules
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I am in the same boat you two are in. I did the mail in on the first day as soon as the post office opened for MSG and I got my MO mail back to me with an apology. I accepted that. I know the supply was not as big as the demand. When I received the e-mail "The Dead 3/30/09 Roseland Ballroom - you've been selected" I too thought it was a consolation for not having received my mail-in tickets but it turned out to be a sweepstakes. I entered and did not hear back from GDTS. OUCH! I now feel as if they dangled a carrot in my face by the way it was worded and find the only thing I had been selected for was to be entered into their sweepstakes for a chance to go to the show. I guess I was not selected after all.
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Has anyone received the "confirmation email" from dead.net for the Roseland show tomorrow? I recieved a winning notification email Friday, returned it as instructed, but have yet to receive the confirmation email that was supposed to follow... freaking out!!!
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I just want to add....the replys I have received have been very vague. It should be cut and dry or nothing. Why all the "Head" games...pardon the pun.
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If you received a congratulatory email from Dead.net with your name on it - that IS your ticket (along with photo ID). There's not a second email that you need to receive. Here's an excerpt from the email... "No tickets will be mailed out. You must print out THIS email and provide it for entrance to the event. Once at the venue all concert goers will be required to provide photo identification along with a copy of the email voucher which will be checked against our record of your confirmation." It also says... "Each ORIGINAL winner must provide THIS physical confirmation email, and a valid state-issued PHOTO ID in order to gain entrance to the show. The person accompanying them must be the same individual whose name is provided upon entering the ticket giveaway and this person must also provide a valid state-issued PHOTO ID in order to enter." Hope that helps.
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My e-mail specifically states: "You will be sent an email confirmation voucher that you must print and provide for entrance to the event." I never received a Confirmation vouched....did anyone receive that from GDTS? A simple yes or no will suffice. Thanks
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I got that first email too. I'm assuming without any concrete email with my name on it, I'm shit out of luck. It makes me feel like any cool element of this whole scene is finally done. Been seeing shows since 1980 and have never felt this animosity towards GD Tickets. People have real life concerns to take care of day to day. You'd think they'd get their act on the same page as the rest of us.
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No tickets will be mailed out. You will be sent an email confirmation voucher that you must print and provide for entrance to the event. Once at the venue all concertgoers will be required to provide photo identification along with a copy of the email voucher which will be checked against our record of your confirmation.
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Quote: "No tickets will be mailed out. You must print out THIS email and provide it for entrance to the event. Once at the venue all concert goers will be required to provide photo identification along with a copy of the email voucher which will be checked against our record of your confirmation." It also says... "Each ORIGINAL winner must provide THIS physical confirmation email, and a valid state-issued PHOTO ID in order to gain entrance to the show. The person accompanying them must be the same individual whose name is provided upon entering the ticket giveaway and this person must also provide a valid state-issued PHOTO ID in order to enter." THANK YOU....Yes that clears it up. Enjoy the show!
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I don't think it was from Dead.net
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It was sent by GDTS
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Sway, was that the first email you received? You did not receive a follow up email that said: No tickets will be mailed out. You must print out THIS email and provide it for entrance to the event.??
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thats a bummer. strange way to word the email if its only a "chance to win" I just reread the email and it does say Notification. Winners will be notified by electronic mail within twenty-four (24) hours prior to the shows. This electronic mail message is sometimes referred to herein as the "E-Mail Prize Notification". Winners will not receive any further confirmation from Sponsor that they have been selected as a Prize winner other than the E-Mail Prize Notification. If you do not receive an E-Mail Prize Notification, then you were not selected as a Prize winner. so perhaps notifications have not been sentyet? or am i really reaching at this point. LOL
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sange post above did shed some light on the subject that there were more than just the dead.net drawing, from what I can tell ratdog.org and phillesh.net followed the same method as dead.net, you get a winning email notification and that is your ticket.. all are clear on the guest policy, not gonna be able to give it to someone else. it is the GDTS one that is fubar'd, looks like they did things differently and have left this mass confusion in their wake.. inspite of the request not to call or email I think it is justified, they need to clarify!
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upgrade@gdtstoo.com show details Mar 27 (2 days ago) Reply *Please include your full name as well as your guest's full name (if you are requesting two tickets), as there will be photo ID checks to receive your tickets!!!* Hello, You have been selected for the GDTS TOO allotment of tickets for The Dead's performance at the Roseland Ballroom on Monday, March 30, 2009 at 11:00 PM. The intention of this small venue show is to provide an opportunity for fans to see The Dead in an intimate setting for free. Here's the deal.... You must respond to this email by Saturday, March 28 at high noon! Do not phone or email with any questions or you will be disqualified! This offer is non transferable, it is for you only! You and your guest must have a photo ID for entrance into the show. 2 tickets per person limit No tickets will be mailed out. You will be sent an email confirmation voucher that you must print and provide for entrance to the event. Once at the venue all concertgoers will be required to provide photo identification along with a copy of the email voucher which will be checked against our record of your confirmation. Once confirmed you will be allowed entrance into the concert. To avoid long lines; you are strongly encouraged to arrive early. You must enter the venue upon arrival and there are no in/out privileges. Please return this email with an "accept" or "decline" in the subject box. Again, this email must be returned by Saturday at High Noon.
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At least they could send out an e-mail saying "Sorry you were not selected" so we could have closure on this issue. I hate being strung along. First with not knowing for weeks with the mail-in until I got my money order back and now this. I have been glued to my computer for two days now.
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So you think dead.net is the only one that said they would send a follow up email?
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No...Dead.net did NOT say they would send a follow up email.  The email from Dead.net that went to winners included the winner's and guest names at the top and directions that say THIS is the email to bring to the show.
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It seems the majority of people, like myself, who got the weird reply asking for more information needed, did in fact get this from Dead.net. My email clearly states "Hello, congrats, etc...". But then goes on to clearly state that a follow up email will come and that email will serve as the ticket. I never got that follow up email and the one email I did get doesn't have my name on it. So, what do I do? Go to the Roseland Ballroom with an email printed out with just my email address on it? Again, what a drag.
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This is my email from Dead.net: No tickets will be mailed out. You will be sent an email confirmation voucher that you must print and provide for entrance to the event. Once at the venue all concertgoers will be required to provide photo identification along with a copy of the email voucher which will be checked against our record of your confirmation. Once confirmed you will be allowed entrance into the concert.
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Hi ceo3west-

I don't think that was sent by Dead.net.  It doesn'tmatch the language I'm seeing.

I'm curious, who is listed in the FROM line?  In other words, what's the email address of the sender?

Thanks

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Thanks - that email was from gdtstoo, not Dead.net
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....herding a flock of cats, good luck folks and have a great time!!!
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The original email I received for the "sweepstakes" was dead.net. Then I got an email saying that I had won from upgrade@gdtstoo.com.
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I see.... well isn't GDTSTOO part of the Grateful Dead extended family of business. In other words, if it had come from Def Leopard.com or Yanni.com, I might think I was being "had". But if I get an email fro Grateful Dead Ticket Sales saying I'm in and then nothing else????
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pretty clear the e-mail confirmation is all you get, I got mine from ratdog.org, they are even more confusing. They say you AND your guest must be present to get in, the official rules only talk about the winner, obviously you can't sub one guest for another, but the question is does a winner who's guest doesn't make it still get in. I think they do
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Yeah, that's about right!!:) as said before, looks like it is the gdtstoo one that is throwing everyone off.. but that ratdog one, eh! hey I only got stuff from dead.net and that one was real clear.. so I got nothing to lose by firing off email to gdts, wonder if I get any reply.. gonna give it a shot and point them here to see the confusion, otherwise, hang in there and see ya one in ten thousand that come for the show!
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Please post here if you hear anything from them, thanks.
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I received my confirmation letter that needs to be printed out to bring to the venue to gain entry. It has my name as well as the name of my guest on it. I can't believe I am the only who has received one.
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When did you get this?
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In the subject line: The Dead 3/30/09 Roseland Ballroom - you've been selected Hello, You have been selected for the GDTS TOO allotment of tickets for The Dead's performance at the Roseland Ballroom on Monday, March 30, 2009 at 11:00 PM. The intention of this small venue show is to provide an opportunity for fans to see The Dead in an intimate setting for free. Here's the deal.... You must respond to this email by Saturday, March 28 at high noon! Do not phone or email with any questions or you will be disqualified! This offer is non transferable, it is for you only! You and your guest must have a photo ID for entrance into the show. 2 tickets per person limit No tickets will be mailed out. You will be sent an email confirmation voucher that you must print and provide for entrance to the event. Once at the venue all concertgoers will be required to provide photo identification along with a copy of the email voucher which will be checked against our record of your confirmation. Once confirmed you will be allowed entrance into the concert. To avoid long lines; you are strongly encouraged to arrive early. You must enter the venue upon arrival and there are no in/out privileges. Please return this email with an "accept" or "decline" in the subject box. Again, this email must be returned by Saturday at High Noon. I responded "accept" and that was the last I heard from them. Pretty deceiving if you ask me because it was followed by this in much smaller print: Here are the Official Rules: The Sweepstakes may only be entered in or from the 50 United States and the District of Columbia, and entries originating from any other jurisdiction are not eligible for entry. This Sweepstakes is governed exclusively by the laws of the United States. You are not authorized to participate in the Sweepstakes if you are not located within the United States. You must provide the following: Entrant's First Name Entrant's Last Name Entrant's Email address First Name of Entrant's Guest Last Name of Entrant's Guest All entrants must have a valid email address. Limit one (1) entry per person. No automated entry devices and/or programs permitted. Sponsor is not responsible for lost, late, illegible, stolen, incomplete, invalid, unintelligible, misdirected, technically corrupted or garbled entries, which will be disqualified, or for problems of any kind whether mechanical, human or electronic. Only fully completed entry forms are eligible. Proof of submission will not be deemed to be proof of receipt by Sponsor. Start/End Dates. ALL ENTRIES MUST BE RECEIVED NO LATER THAN March 28, 2009 at 12:00 PM Pacific Time. Eligibility. Participation open only to legal residents of the fifty (50) United States or the District of Columbia who are eighteen (18) years of age or older as of date of entry. Void outside of the 50 United States and the District of Columbia, and where prohibited, taxed or restricted by law. You are not authorized to participate in the Sweepstakes if you are not located within the United States or the District of Columbia. All federal, state and local laws and regulations apply. Tickets for the above-mentioned performances are not available to the general public. Tickets to all concerts will be given away free through this or other sweepstakes and other methods. Thus, the total approximate retail value (or "ARV") of all prizes to be awarded is $0.00. All Prizes are non-transferable. No substitutions or cash redemptions. All winners are responsible for their own travel and/or transportation to New York City no later than the date of the performance for which they receive tickets. **PLEASE NOTE: TICKETS WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE AT THE DOOR OF ANY OF THE VENUES FOR THE THREE PERFORMANCES DESCRIBED HEREIN. ACCORDINGLY, PLEASE DO NOT GO TO ANY OF THE VENUES UNLESS YOU ARE A PRIZE WINNER OF THIS SWEEPSTAKES, YOU HAVE RECEIVED E-MAIL CONFIRMATION FROM THE SPONSOR, AND YOU HAVE ADHERED COMPLETELY TO THE PRIZE REDEMPTION PROCEDURES PRESCRIBED IN THESE OFFICIAL RULES. THE DEAD AND THE SPONSOR APPRECIATE YOUR RESPECT AND COOPERATION. Notification. Winners will be notified by electronic mail within twenty-four (24) hours prior to the shows. This electronic mail message is sometimes referred to herein as the "E-Mail Prize Notification". Winners will not receive any further confirmation from Sponsor that they have been selected as a Prize winner other than the E-Mail Prize Notification. If you do not receive an E-Mail Prize Notification, then you were not selected as a Prize winner. If Sponsor attempts to send you an E-Mail Prize Notification and such notification is returned as undeliverable or otherwise does not reach you, if any winner rejects his/her prize, or in the event of noncompliance with these Sweepstakes rules and requirements (including, without limitation the Prize Redemption Procedures set forth in paragraph 7 below), such Prize will be forfeited. Upon prize forfeiture, no compensation will be given. Prize Redemption Procedures. Each winner shall be solely and personally responsible for adhering to the following applicable procedures in order to redeem their Prize. If any winner is considered a minor in his/her jurisdiction of residence, they must be accompanied by a parent or legal guardian at the time they appear at the relevant Peformance venue to redeem their Prize. Prize Winners for Performance at the Roseland Ballroom - Winner must print out a copy of the E-Mail Prize Notification they receive from Sponsor confirming that they have been selected to receive a Prize. - Winner must bring a copy of such E-Mail Prize Notification, along with a valid photo ID (such as a driver's license) to the venue box office no earlier than 5pm on the date of the performance and no later than 11pm on the date of the performance - Once box office personnel verify Winner's identity and status as a Prize winner, Winner will be given two (2) tickets to the Performance. Winner may then present tickets and seek entry into the venue as soon as the venue doors open (at approximately 8pm). - Performance is scheduled to begin at 11pm. ** FAILURE TO FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES DESCRIBED ABOVE EXACTLY AS SPECIFIED MAY RESULT IN WINNER'S INABILITY TO COLLECT PRIZE AND GAIN ENTRY INTO THE VENUE, IN WHICH CASE WINNER SHALL BE DEEMED TO HAVE FORFIETED ANY AND ALL RIGHTS TO THE PRIZE THEY WERE AWARDED. SPONSOR SHALL HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO AWARD FORFEITED PRIZES TO OTHER SWEEPSTAKES ENTRANTS. Conditions. Any and all federal, state and local taxes are the sole responsibility of the winners. Participation in Sweepstakes constitutes each participant's permission for Sponsor to use his/her name, address (city and state), likeness, photograph, picture, portrait, voice, biographical information, and/or any statements made by each participant regarding the Sweepstakes or Sponsor for any lawful purposes whatsoever, including, without limitation, for advertising and promotional purposes, without notice or additional compensation to the Sweepstakes concerned, except where prohibited by law. All entries become the property of Sponsor. By participating, entrants and winners agree to release and hold harmless Sponsor, its advertising and promotion agencies and their respective parent companies, subsidiaries, affiliates, partners, representatives, agents, successors, assigns, employees, officers and directors, from any and all liability, for loss, harm, damage, injury, cost or expense whatsoever including without limitation, property damage, personal injury and/or death which may occur in connection with, preparation for, travel to, or participation in Sweepstakes, or possession, acceptance and/or use or misuse of prize or participation in any Sweepstakes-related activity and for any claims based on publicity rights, defamation, invasion of privacy, copyright infringement, trademark infringement or any other intellectual property-related cause of action. Entrants who do not comply with these Official Rules, or attempt to interfere with this Sweepstakes in any way, shall be disqualified. Additional Terms. Any attempted form of entry other than as set forth in Section 1 above is prohibited; no automatic, programmed; robotic or similar means of entry are permitted. Sponsor, its affiliates, partners and promotion and advertising agencies are not responsible for technical, hardware, software, telephone or other communications malfunctions, errors or failures of any kind, lost or unavailable network connections, web site, Internet, or ISP availability, unauthorized human intervention, traffic congestion, incomplete or inaccurate capture of entry information (regardless of cause) or failed, incomplete, garbled, jumbled or delayed computer transmissions which may limit one's ability to enter the Sweepstakes, including any injury or damage to participant's or any other person's computer relating to or resulting from participating in this Sweepstakes or downloading any materials in this Sweepstakes. 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This is the email I got. The top portion clearly does not sound like a sweepstakes entry. I took it that I had won. I figured the bottom portion of the email related to the initial entry into the sweepstakes from 6-9pm on Friday. When I get an email stating "You will be sent an email confirmation voucher that you must print and provide for entrance to the event", I take it to mean "You will be sent an email confirmation voucher that you must print and provide for entrance to the event".
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Further evidence that the latter part of the email related to the sweepstake entry on Friday from 6-9 is because this is what the entry form asked for, which is in the fine print of your email: Entrant's First Name Entrant's Last Name Entrant's Email address First Name of Entrant's Guest Last Name of Entrant's Guest
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I have had enough of this waiting...I just sent GDTS an relpy email asking them to clarify their intension. I will post their reply if and when I receive it. Why do I need to go thru this. It should have been cut and dry....Yes..... draw me a map!
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I just got a confirmation email from GDTSTOO with my name on it. I take back everything bad I said about everybody except George Bush! See you at Roseland!
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I am a winner for Roseland and I did not see any place on my entry form to enter in the name of a guest. My winning email clearly states that "I have been selected to receive (2) tickets" but I do then also see on the email that it says, "The person accompanying them must be the same individual whose name is provided upon entering the ticket giveaway and this person must also provide a valid state-issued PHOTO ID in order to enter." And, my winning email has my name as BOTH the Winner and the Guest! Myself (Winner) and my guest are driving from very far tomorrow for the show, so we hope to get some clarity on this here in the next 12 hours before we hit the road! Boy this is confusing!!! I am praying that this is like how they did it when Phish played at the Filmore and you simply need to show up at the door with your guest (whoever it is) and if your name is on the list (as the winner) for 2 tickets it gets you both in. If someone from Dead.net gets this with any affirmation or clarity on this you can email me a response directly at antonio@dailypassion.com See you on the dance floor! (^_^)
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Have a great time. Just curious what time did you receive it? Pst or Est time?
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Got it at 12:02AM. Subject says "Roseland Confirmation". Body of email is sparse. Venue instructions, time and location of show, and my name in bold print. Has a link at the bottom for Dead.net complete contest rules.BTW, I sent GDTSTOO a rather direct email about an hour ago telling them what I thought about the whole shebang.
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Thanks...I am happy for you. I also sent them an email about 15 mins ago. I just want closure one way or another.
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Oh yeah! Forgot to put out here another request for information regarding the taping policy for Roseland. I am hoping there will be tapers allowed!!! See you there! Antonio (^_^)
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Congrats! Hope to see you there! One other thing that occurred to me. The band didn't have to give ANY free shows. Given that the combined capacity of these three venues is less than 1/6 of MSG I am truly thanking my (for once) lucky stars that I'm in. Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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You are lucky... When you think of the odds and the amount of people who paid BIG to see them on this tour. It's gonna be some party....Have a good time!
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Not to take anything away from your good fortune......but When I see your last message I have to question the winners will be "Selected at random" statement in their "Official Rules"
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With my "Ratdog.org " concert at Roseland confermation letter it states that I have to have my guest along ,well she cannot get off work, can anyone out there tell me if the guest MUST be present or can the winner (s) go alone ? I have a 1250 mile trip for this and really don't want to get burned just because my date can't go . Any Help ?
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Nowhere does it say "Winners will be slected at random" in their rules. Have a GREAT show
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I hear you loud and clear. I sent an email to them at 11:00PM. I wasn't rude, mind you. I just kind of spelled out the situation. Who knows if they even read those emails. I assumed it went on deaf ears and it was really just for my piece of mind. I can only hope that maybe they really are dragging their ass getting the confirm emails back to folks and each and every one of us who can, will be there tonight checking this out.
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You can call me a wa-mbulance if you so desire. I think it cruel to make fans wait for a respose all this time. "If you plant Ice your gonna harvest wind" I hope your right. Have a safe trip~