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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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    Outsourced or not, the USB is a fiasco. More than two months after it was supposed to be delivered, still no useful update. Some of us bought it instead of the box to try and keep things minimal. The sound quality isn't likely to be a noticeable difference to these aging ears. I am glad for those that can hear the difference, but truth be told I just don't need to rip another massive list of CD's and store stuff as I downsize. So I paid a lot of money for a product that had less than the same price for all the extras. That is ok - I am a big boy and make my own decisions, and honestly $700 is a lot but not a life changer (which should be a BIG concern to Rhino, I buy a lot because I can, so treat me well!!). Saying we are a family and don't narc to the BBB is pretty silly. Rhino is a business. And for some -some of the very same who screamed bloody murder about their boxes delays - to say "just be cool, nobody is out to get you" seems a little bit much. Even for those who ordered the USB and are cool with waiting however long it takes. You pay your money, you are treated badly, at least be allowed to make your complaints. That is always how I treated my customers - if me or my team screwed up, they have the right to let me know. Anyway, I will wait and enjoy when I get it - but it hasn't been handled well. I renewed Dave's another year, received the extra chotchkies i bought already and will move on. But those who complain have the right. JimInMD - you didn't happen to be in the Air Force in the 1980's did you? You write like a Jim in Md I knew back then who was a deadhead. Y'all enjoy, life is short.
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    I agree with icecrmcnkd, this product was obviously outsourced. Complaining isn't going to get them here any sooner because there's no product 'here' to be shipped. Live and learn, Rhino.. Sorry for all the folks who are stuck in the crobbopple. I sincerely hope it comes soon. I'm not sure what the better business bureau is going to do as its a pre-order that's just late. By the time the wheels get moving on a formal complaint its gonna be shipping. I suspect you could probably cancel and get a refund then time a re-order for when the product actually starts shipping. I don't see this selling out instantaneously or anything..
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    Bill's book is the best Dead book I've read! Loved it.
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    It is well documented that the BBB is on the take. Money gives a higher rating and if you don't pay, they slam you.
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    D&C free live stream from 11/7/15 is on YouTube. No USBs and no info is a disgrace. My guess is that GDM outsourced it all and can only sit back and say WTF. But that is not an excuse for not giving the customers an update, especially since the customers are addicts who buy lots of stuff from dead.net.
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    Awesome. Wish Hackett would come this way. DSO2500 bet that was fun. Still have not heard D&C should I be looking for tapes?
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    Dennis Wilmot, you asked what was on the CD that came with Phil's book. As usual, the indispensable Grateful Dead Family Discography site had the answer, thereby saving me the trouble of typing all the info from my copy. http://www.deaddisc.com/disc/Searching_For_The_Sound_Bonus_CD.htm
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    “Are YOU waiting for the USB ?” You got me there Outpost. I received my box three weeks ago – you’re right, there’s no way I can imagine what it’s like to be one of you BoltHeads waiting in the dark. Empty as it sounds, I truly hope this resolves soon. In my last post, I was hoping to deflect some of the unwarranted heat from the CS folks in the trenches. And, as I said, I don’t think any of us are impressed with the recent lack of communication from TPTB. A lot of the angst could probably have been avoided with a little timely information during the various delays. Still, I’m glad they stuck their necks out and took a chance on doing something special for the 50th. I hope that we’ll soon be able to look back and be grateful for the killer music and that much of the sting of having to wait for months will be left behind.
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    I hear ya on the venues. Where I live they are building a small outdoor stage set up with multiple brewer/beer gardens/restaurants attached. Will hold 1,500-1,800 people for the burgeoning of smaller touring acts say like mule, or DSO, or TTB. Problem no seats. Stand, blanket, take your pick. My old bones just can't do the standing thing for 3 hours anymore. Dang making my athritic knees hurt now.
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    Bummer for the continued delays on USB, lack of communication makes a bad situation worse. Anyone have a conversation with Dr Rhino on it? My dealings with Dr Rhino have always been positive. Issues I've experienced in the past was always corrected to my satisfaction... Got to see Dead & Co in Worcester, great show. Can't compare to seeing one of my favorite show with Jerry at the helm, but it was enjoyable. Saw two great shows this past week - DSO's 2500 anniversary show - was an elective show - they did an awesome Cumberland Blues. The real treat for me was the Ruben and Cherise in the middle of a Music Never Stopped / Scarlet Begonias sandwich (TMNS>SB>R&C>SB>TMNS) to close first set. Nice Dark Star tease into Dark Star in the second set. Last night saw Steve Hackett at Lynn Memorial Auditorium, another really good show. His singer was a genetic vocal twin to Gabriel for the material they performed. Not sure if Steve plucked him from The Musical Box cover band or not but very spine tingling vocals. The woodwind player was extraordinary as well. Thanks Jim for convincing me to go... Nothing beats live music - highly recommend those three shows. As for the boxzilla sequential listen, up to 77 and still loving it. Have a great weekend!
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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Can someone please tell me why in gods name Phil is singing lead vocals??? Why won't they let trey sing? This was my biggest fear....
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That was the most subdued dark star I've heard, have only heard pre-95 before but that was weak
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....going with Trey. He's getting it done!! Impressive.
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Just FYI, Jeffeis' comment was made less than halfway thru DS. They made a pause and launched into a nice jam followed by the second verse and then a segue into St. Stephen
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Man I don't want to be a downer and I truly appreciate this last hurrah, very positive show but let's face it when its dark star into st stephen just to keep pace, the vista cruiser has long been retired. So many beyond description performances by this band, this show is a great reminder / remembrance, guess I'll leave it at that - and that too is truly special, dont mean to diminish but this bands legacy casts an impossible shadow...
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...space -> What's Become of The Baby
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...The other one followed by Morning Dew
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....at the stroke of midnight. Bravo!!
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Thank you and GOOD night!
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Truckin>UJB>Alligator>Cumberland>born cross eyed>Cream puff war>viola lee blues Set 2 Crypt>dark star>st Stephen>the eleven> Love light>drums>space> what's become of the baby> Space>the other ones>morning dew> Casey jones... And this isn't part of the package for sale because?!
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I still need to hear the show,, hopefully Sirius has it going today,, Anybody have any favorite highlights ? The pictures on Instagram from Santa Clara looked pretty cool and hopefully all had a mighty fine time. Tonight the Sunday show could be pretty heavy on tunes from 1971-1972.. And some from 1970, like Dark Hollow I'm thinking tonight will be songs like Greatest Story Ever Told Jack Straw Black Throated Wind And for Sure has to Have a crunchy - Not Fade Away > GDTRFB > NFA - as part of big second jam EDIT : Check out the pics of the massive Rainbow hanging over the Levi Stadium,, Captain Trips was definitely somewhere over the rainbow
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Last night was listening to a FOB 08/06/1971 - great, great energy... has this ever had an official release? Phil singing huh? he could be rough on his best day, back when... i prefer the music from the past, and NOT just for the Dead, really doesn't matter, for me it is like an athlete - at some point you just aren't as good, I think anyway - like being on the seniors tour? I get AARP stuff so i am there too :)
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Per deaddisc.com: Aug 6, 1971 1 live song Fallout From The Phil Zone, Grateful Dead, 1997 Aug 6, 1971 5 live songs Road Trips: Vol 1, No 3: Summer 1971, Bonus CD, Grateful Dead, 2008 Aug 6, 1971 7 live songs Dick's Picks, Vol. 35, Grateful Dead, 2005 P.S. re: The Dead show, I stayed up late enough to learn about the opener. So glad folks had fun! Have a grate summer all.
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go down the road about a week later,, Berkeley Community Theater August 14-15, 1971. Very nice and similar to the two nights at the Hollywood Palladium.
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I should have just guessed Loser instead of Feel Like a Stranger. lol
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I watched it in my living room so not quite the concert experience but man how often do we get to see the guys play some true "live/dead" era stuff--definitely not what I was expecting but really a fun time! Early 70s theme tonight?? American beauty/workingmans dead? Can't wait to see. To all the people complaining, please remember that it's not 1977 anymore. These guys are in their 70s and still rocking out. Open your mind a little and be grateful for what we have. Have fun to all the folks going/watching/listening tonight!
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Great analogy - Tiger Woods comes to mind.
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Any guesses on tonights opener and closer? I had a good feeling Casey Jones would close a set last night and sure enough it was the encore. Somebody posted they opened with a Smokestack tease. I thought for sure it would be Truckin' then a Smokestack.. Any guesses for tonight set openers and closers.. I think tonight will close with Brokedown Palace.. Opener is a tough call,, I would say Promised Land for opener but I think they wanna open with a longer barn burner,, So most likely Dancin in the Streets as tonight opener
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Good Times at 6:00. Boy was I way off. That was one killer setlist.
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What an interesting experience, my first live stream and it went well even though it was a laptop on wifi with some PC speakers. Total lack of preshow banter and the set break was like a screensaver that got beat quickly, I would have preferred the soundboard camera shot like they had before the show began. Yes, I'm a picky Deadhead, but this was okay, which is one of my higher post Jerry ratings ;) The fact I can take the webcast on tour to visit friends and rewatch with them through July makes it even more appealing and I'm seriously thinking about going for the Chicago webcasts and taking them on the road in July to visit some old tour buddies. Going to be hard to beat that setlist though, even if they keep up the chronological theme, it's all downhill from here as far as my tastes go. That's what keeps me from pulling the trigger on the Chicago ones, it's going to be hard to match Live Dead AND What's Become of the Baby.
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Great set list, but they really could have rehearsed more. The whole Live Dead segment was shakey, and I thought they didn't really get it together until Morning Dew and Casey Jones.The drummers were solid, keyboards were low-key all night; Phil, Bob and Trey appeared lost at times. Hope things improve tonight.
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Cream Puff War was the best tune of the night! Phil needs to turn more vocals over to Trey. My one takeaway from last night would be to shorten the jams-they were too aimless and none seemed to really go anywhere. No need to jam for the sake of jamming.
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The band sounds good!!! Some nice footage on youtube
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Sounded like practice to me.
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A little shakey on this online streaming business...Have the House to myself and would like to see the show. What is the easiest way and How?? I have an ipad, a BLU RAY and one Desktop computer. Would like to watch on the big TV though.Any Possibilities here?? I appreciate the Help!!
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....purchased the first Santa Clara show through youtube. How can I replay it?
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Vguy- I have been unable to replay on Youtube, either. It just says the live broadcast is over with a frowny face. Kevinbrandon- based on the three devices you mention, your desktop computer is the best option. Note: by ordering on youtube, you can only watch on the device with which you place the order. You have to have a youtube account or google account. After purchasing, you will get an email confirmation with a hotlink in the email to access the broadcast. Depending on what audio and video outputs your computer has, you can pipe the audio to a big audio system and the video to a larger screen. The webcast is in stereo, the video is HD 720p. Hope this helps.
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Some of you may be interested in the 1st night results. Truckin' was correctly guessed by 5 people: TheeAmazingAce333, WhenInRome, Wadeocu, Strider88 and Mbarilla. The last two folks both sent in their entries right at 6:00. The first one to show up in my inbox was....(cue dramatic music, cut to commercial). OK, we're back. The first one to show up in my inbox was....(drumroll)...Strider88! Come on down! (Actually, just send me a PM with your address so I can ship your prize) Congrats! I'll use the same entries for tonight's opener. Good luck to all!
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....one time only. Figured it out....oh well. Guess I could always buy it later. Probably not though....
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For those who may be curious, here's how the guesses went: 6 entries: Feel Like A Stranger, Promised Land, The Music Never Stopped 5 entries: Golden Road, Jack Straw, Truckin' 4 entries: Bertha, Hell In A Bucket 3 entries: Help On The Way, Here Comes Sunshine, Viola Lee Blues 2 entries: Playin' In The Band, Shakedown Street 1 entry: Box Of Rain, Cassidy, Caution, Cold Rain And Snow, Dancin' In The Streets, Estimated Prophet, Gimme Some Lovin', GM Little Schoolgirl, Half-Step, Iko Iko, Early Morning Rain, Let The Good Times Roll, Minglewood, Not Fade Away, Saturday Night, Passenger, Sugar Magnolia, Wheel, Uncle John's Band. And a special gold star to whoever mentioned "What's Become of the Baby" - never thought I'd hear that one played! Cheers!
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And Phil can't sing. The whole first set was a struggle. Interesting that the whole show was tunes from 1970 and prior. Will all the setlists be such segmented time slices? Will they repeat anything between cities? Phil's only strong vocals were on Whats become of the baby. Trey Can't Sing the Blues, but OH MAN he sure came through in the second set!! I streamed it, and enjoyed all the great camera work on Mickey. Bruce's vox and piano should have been louder, and Trey should only try singing when he feels sincere. so I had mixed feelings. I would have felt ripped off if I had trecked out there and sweated through that weak first set.
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This has probably already been mentioned here but if you buy the stream through MLB then you have 30 days to watch it. YouTube is only 24 hours. http://mlb.mlb.com/concert/dead50/
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Consensus from this board not very positive. I saw one say " could have been worse". I thought it sounded real good and thought the band was solid. I was in atom with some other people so wasn't watching as close as others. Wished Phil would not sing solo and that Hornsby was more prominent but all in all ... It very much exceeded my expectations.
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I CANT STAND ALL THE NAY SAYERS ON HOW THE BAND PLAYED SOUNDED OR ANY THING NEGATIVE !!!! Phil's 70 something and Bob's younger but still a senior citizen thank the Good lord they even played live at all. Not a day goes by that I don't miss Jerry or my Father or both there both gone way , way too young so to all that negativity shut it ,cause I wish to God I could go And see the Boys Just one more time
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I was at the show last night. All I can say is wow! Sure during the first few songs we saw them having problems connect at times... But it just got better and better. I agree with the "Phil needs to sing less" comments but not with the comments that the jams were too long and aimless. You can look at a setlist or watch a webcast... But being there was incredible. Trey fit in very well and did so without just trying to mimic Jerry. His style was still very present... But he was playing the notes that jerry would have played. In the next four shows, these guys are going to get better and better and there will be many faces melted in the process...
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"Home in Missoula,Home in Truckee, Home in Opelousas, Ain't no home for me. Home in old Medora, Home in Wounded Knee, Home in Ogallala, Home I'll never be." Sal Paradise
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I have no doubt that will be true. The so-called "consensus" isn't. I, for one, will be watching tonight. Seventeen minutes 'till showtime!
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Just checking in! watching tonights webcast! Looking forward to it! RIP Chris Squire...a great underrated bassist! He will be missed! Take care folks!
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Did anyone else catch the frustration by bobby and phil for the song perhaps not starting on time, Watch for phil and bobs reaction, around 32:00-33:00 into the first set..maybe it's just me, but interesting nonetheless https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LTUA46DyiIk
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For the love of Christ!!! Let trey sing!!!!! Not even row jimmy??? Cmon
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No condemnation here- just joining the dialogue. Just watched the first set video someone generously posted on youtube. The band was fun, and definitely more dynamic than the bulk of the Dead's shows post '90, but I wasn't inspired by it. It sounded more or less like every other post-Jerry incarnation of the Dead/Further/ whatever. Actually of all the incarnations I've heard, I thought that late Furthur with Kadlicek has been the best, and has risen a bit above the others. Still, although the guys are reasonably tight and musical, the music's lost the subtleties, grandeur, rawness, lyrical density, and unpredictability of the Dead in the 60's, 70s, and parts of the 80s. Also- again, I'm not 'hatin,' as they say- I've always felt Hornsby is too polished and polite for the Dead, though he helped to save their ass when Vince was around. Plus- with two drummers AND two keyboard players, the music's developed this crowded ensemble feel. Trey- he's fine, as guitarists go, but I'm surprised that people are so wowed by him- his playing here doesn't sound particularly distinctive or seem to advance the music. Just the first night, though- maybe a strengthening is in store. Am not saying that no new guitarist could bring some magic back to the band, but so far he hasn't been found for these shows.
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....on purchasing tonight's show. Sorry Phil, but you can't sing. One Hornsby lead last night? Really? Unfortunately, I think it's an ego thing with Lesh. Stick to the bass.....please. Bruce should sing most every Garcia tune, with some Anastasio sprinkled in....no brainer imo....
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Thanks for posting the first set. Loved it!!!
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Your welcome , glad you enjoyed it :-)
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Set One: Feel Like a Stranger > Brown-Eyed Women > Loose Lucy > Loser > Row Jimmy > Alabama Getaway > Black Peter > Hell In A Bucket Set Two: Mississippi Half-Step > Wharf Rat > Eyes of the World > He’s Gone > Drums > Space > I Need A Miracle > Death Have No Mercy How was it from anyone who watched/was there?
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