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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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  • gerd65
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    how about rhino make a properly tagged set of files available for download to those who bought the usb (at no charge of course). They can make the same set of properly tagged files available to those who did not buy bolt (at a cost of course). Since the USB has not sold out and at the current error correction rate and pricing isn't likely to sell out anyway, seems like a great way to go. This way, those who got the physical bolt itself have the "limited edition" collectors item, such as it is. And all who are interested can receive properly tagged digital files - you know, what we thought we were buying in the first place for $700. Win, win (win). I realize i sound snarky but I am serious. Seems reasonable, no?
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    "Takes a person less than 5 mins per disc ripping to WAV on iTunes or WMP" Sure, on low quality settings. Honestly its a personal choice, I'm not here to rain on your parade. It's your music, do with it what you like. But, if you are making an archival fileset, and only want to do it once, don't you want it done right the first time? I know I do, and I don't trust my hearing enough for it to be the only metric I judge correctness. I might not be the only one who cares about how this set was extracted. Higher quality rippers, such as Exact Audio Copy, general take as long as I mentioned, and honestly I was being generous. But getting back to the cd vs usb time question, even if someone could get an bit perfect copy in the time you suggested, 5 mins, and lets also say it only takes someone 5 mins to tag, cause they're really fast, it still works out to 10 mins per disc. That works out to 13.8 hours for the set and requires you take an action every 5 mins. Hell, even if you tag while you're ripping, you can cut the time down to 6.91 hours, the whole of which you will be active. Then you can add transcoding times if you want lossy copies The usb is just copy and paste. Takes about 90 mins on the faster, newer connection, and 4 -6 hours on the older usb connection. No worrying about bit perfect as the source should be a perfect copy of the files used to burn the commercial compact disc, no worrying about transcoding because the lossy files are included as well. No further effort from you whatsoever. At least that's how it should work, I'm looking at you GD/Rhino. But that's on them, not the usb medium itself.
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    I just noticed that the Files for Cornell 5-16-1981 (and the PDF with the 'correct song order') are actually incorrectly named as 5-26-1981 !
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    Good post. I too never received an email saying I would get the book with the USB (I bought the box too so I have it) and I certainly never had any expectation the USB was coming in the same packaging and box as the physical discs. Frankly I am not sure how anyone could read the product description column above and conclude that they were the same, but hey, whatever. People interpret stuff differently all the time. The Holiday Cards were a decent enough gesture but I tend to agree they were far from sufficient if the goal was a token thanks for the patience. I probably would have preferred a few more tickets and backstage passes over that. But in the end, the grave sin is the tagging debacle. You cannot send out a product two months late and then have it be unlistenable due to being out of order. This is a sophisticated listenership they are selling to and that sophistication made this product even marketable in the first place. Cannot betray your consumers like that.
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    As far as I am concerned, there never was and never will be a hard copy of the book coming to those of us who bought the USB. I certainly never got the email talked about - it seems to me it was a single email from a customer rep to a single buyer. Not an official email to all buyers. None of the official email I received on the USB ever said hard copy book will be coming. Pretending that Rhino has done anything real to address or compensate the buyers for the debacle of delay and poor actual digital product seems beyond reasonably optimistic. That isn't to say I don't think Rhino should do something very significant to try and show they realize that they sold a $700 product with no quality control (those 5 holiday cards you sent me with a retail value of $12 - Do you realize that sending nothing would literally have been better? something that cost you $2 to address a $700 product disaster?). I may buy again (already subscribed for Dave's 2016, but maybe the last time). But I may not. I didn't order this the first day, or week. I spent a month deciding if it was worth it. Now that I have it, I have it, but knowing what I know, I would not do it if I had it to do over. As gerd said, I have lots and lots of music. When I am honest with myself, so much Dead alone I am unlikely to listen to all of it ever again - there are only so many hours in a life.
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    yes , it was the year i bought In The Dark and watched the boys rise in the charts from afar......
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    trip is a Pigpen heyday , anyone noticed his organ-sound is so similiarto Ray Manzareks ? Really like this baby Dead. Wow , sounds so young and fresh like it`s played today not 49 years ago....
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    Thanks to everybody that gave me advice on my disc problems. I'm happy to report that shortly after posting here about my couple bad discs yesterday I received a response that the discs were being put in the mail. Rhino is following through with great customer service! I'm follow up here when I get them and can listen to these last shows. With my customer service experience I'm sure the book is coming for all you USB'ers. I'm not sure what the shipping packaging was like for the USBs but I'm guessing it wasn't designed to carry a book and that was intended to ship separately.
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    Takes a person less than 5 mins per disc ripping to WAV on iTunes or WMP. I'm not at all worried about "bit loss" on a brand new, unscratched disc. If there is a problem with a disc, you're going to hear it when you play it anyway. Or if it is such a miniscule error that you can't even hear it, but need a specialized ripping program to tell you about it (after a 35 min ripping and bit checking process), then why should you care when you couldn't hear the problem to begin with?
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    "When it comes to product testing, our customers come first!" I'd like to see this metadata issue escalated to the good Doc Rhino. If this is the future of GD music delivery, then we need them to do it correctly.
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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Can someone please tell me why in gods name Phil is singing lead vocals??? Why won't they let trey sing? This was my biggest fear....
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That was the most subdued dark star I've heard, have only heard pre-95 before but that was weak
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....going with Trey. He's getting it done!! Impressive.
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Just FYI, Jeffeis' comment was made less than halfway thru DS. They made a pause and launched into a nice jam followed by the second verse and then a segue into St. Stephen
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Man I don't want to be a downer and I truly appreciate this last hurrah, very positive show but let's face it when its dark star into st stephen just to keep pace, the vista cruiser has long been retired. So many beyond description performances by this band, this show is a great reminder / remembrance, guess I'll leave it at that - and that too is truly special, dont mean to diminish but this bands legacy casts an impossible shadow...
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...space -> What's Become of The Baby
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...The other one followed by Morning Dew
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....at the stroke of midnight. Bravo!!
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Thank you and GOOD night!
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Truckin>UJB>Alligator>Cumberland>born cross eyed>Cream puff war>viola lee blues Set 2 Crypt>dark star>st Stephen>the eleven> Love light>drums>space> what's become of the baby> Space>the other ones>morning dew> Casey jones... And this isn't part of the package for sale because?!
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I still need to hear the show,, hopefully Sirius has it going today,, Anybody have any favorite highlights ? The pictures on Instagram from Santa Clara looked pretty cool and hopefully all had a mighty fine time. Tonight the Sunday show could be pretty heavy on tunes from 1971-1972.. And some from 1970, like Dark Hollow I'm thinking tonight will be songs like Greatest Story Ever Told Jack Straw Black Throated Wind And for Sure has to Have a crunchy - Not Fade Away > GDTRFB > NFA - as part of big second jam EDIT : Check out the pics of the massive Rainbow hanging over the Levi Stadium,, Captain Trips was definitely somewhere over the rainbow
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Last night was listening to a FOB 08/06/1971 - great, great energy... has this ever had an official release? Phil singing huh? he could be rough on his best day, back when... i prefer the music from the past, and NOT just for the Dead, really doesn't matter, for me it is like an athlete - at some point you just aren't as good, I think anyway - like being on the seniors tour? I get AARP stuff so i am there too :)
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Per deaddisc.com: Aug 6, 1971 1 live song Fallout From The Phil Zone, Grateful Dead, 1997 Aug 6, 1971 5 live songs Road Trips: Vol 1, No 3: Summer 1971, Bonus CD, Grateful Dead, 2008 Aug 6, 1971 7 live songs Dick's Picks, Vol. 35, Grateful Dead, 2005 P.S. re: The Dead show, I stayed up late enough to learn about the opener. So glad folks had fun! Have a grate summer all.
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go down the road about a week later,, Berkeley Community Theater August 14-15, 1971. Very nice and similar to the two nights at the Hollywood Palladium.
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I should have just guessed Loser instead of Feel Like a Stranger. lol
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I watched it in my living room so not quite the concert experience but man how often do we get to see the guys play some true "live/dead" era stuff--definitely not what I was expecting but really a fun time! Early 70s theme tonight?? American beauty/workingmans dead? Can't wait to see. To all the people complaining, please remember that it's not 1977 anymore. These guys are in their 70s and still rocking out. Open your mind a little and be grateful for what we have. Have fun to all the folks going/watching/listening tonight!
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Great analogy - Tiger Woods comes to mind.
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Any guesses on tonights opener and closer? I had a good feeling Casey Jones would close a set last night and sure enough it was the encore. Somebody posted they opened with a Smokestack tease. I thought for sure it would be Truckin' then a Smokestack.. Any guesses for tonight set openers and closers.. I think tonight will close with Brokedown Palace.. Opener is a tough call,, I would say Promised Land for opener but I think they wanna open with a longer barn burner,, So most likely Dancin in the Streets as tonight opener
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Good Times at 6:00. Boy was I way off. That was one killer setlist.
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What an interesting experience, my first live stream and it went well even though it was a laptop on wifi with some PC speakers. Total lack of preshow banter and the set break was like a screensaver that got beat quickly, I would have preferred the soundboard camera shot like they had before the show began. Yes, I'm a picky Deadhead, but this was okay, which is one of my higher post Jerry ratings ;) The fact I can take the webcast on tour to visit friends and rewatch with them through July makes it even more appealing and I'm seriously thinking about going for the Chicago webcasts and taking them on the road in July to visit some old tour buddies. Going to be hard to beat that setlist though, even if they keep up the chronological theme, it's all downhill from here as far as my tastes go. That's what keeps me from pulling the trigger on the Chicago ones, it's going to be hard to match Live Dead AND What's Become of the Baby.
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Great set list, but they really could have rehearsed more. The whole Live Dead segment was shakey, and I thought they didn't really get it together until Morning Dew and Casey Jones.The drummers were solid, keyboards were low-key all night; Phil, Bob and Trey appeared lost at times. Hope things improve tonight.
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Cream Puff War was the best tune of the night! Phil needs to turn more vocals over to Trey. My one takeaway from last night would be to shorten the jams-they were too aimless and none seemed to really go anywhere. No need to jam for the sake of jamming.
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The band sounds good!!! Some nice footage on youtube
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Sounded like practice to me.
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A little shakey on this online streaming business...Have the House to myself and would like to see the show. What is the easiest way and How?? I have an ipad, a BLU RAY and one Desktop computer. Would like to watch on the big TV though.Any Possibilities here?? I appreciate the Help!!
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....purchased the first Santa Clara show through youtube. How can I replay it?
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Vguy- I have been unable to replay on Youtube, either. It just says the live broadcast is over with a frowny face. Kevinbrandon- based on the three devices you mention, your desktop computer is the best option. Note: by ordering on youtube, you can only watch on the device with which you place the order. You have to have a youtube account or google account. After purchasing, you will get an email confirmation with a hotlink in the email to access the broadcast. Depending on what audio and video outputs your computer has, you can pipe the audio to a big audio system and the video to a larger screen. The webcast is in stereo, the video is HD 720p. Hope this helps.
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Some of you may be interested in the 1st night results. Truckin' was correctly guessed by 5 people: TheeAmazingAce333, WhenInRome, Wadeocu, Strider88 and Mbarilla. The last two folks both sent in their entries right at 6:00. The first one to show up in my inbox was....(cue dramatic music, cut to commercial). OK, we're back. The first one to show up in my inbox was....(drumroll)...Strider88! Come on down! (Actually, just send me a PM with your address so I can ship your prize) Congrats! I'll use the same entries for tonight's opener. Good luck to all!
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....one time only. Figured it out....oh well. Guess I could always buy it later. Probably not though....
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For those who may be curious, here's how the guesses went: 6 entries: Feel Like A Stranger, Promised Land, The Music Never Stopped 5 entries: Golden Road, Jack Straw, Truckin' 4 entries: Bertha, Hell In A Bucket 3 entries: Help On The Way, Here Comes Sunshine, Viola Lee Blues 2 entries: Playin' In The Band, Shakedown Street 1 entry: Box Of Rain, Cassidy, Caution, Cold Rain And Snow, Dancin' In The Streets, Estimated Prophet, Gimme Some Lovin', GM Little Schoolgirl, Half-Step, Iko Iko, Early Morning Rain, Let The Good Times Roll, Minglewood, Not Fade Away, Saturday Night, Passenger, Sugar Magnolia, Wheel, Uncle John's Band. And a special gold star to whoever mentioned "What's Become of the Baby" - never thought I'd hear that one played! Cheers!
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And Phil can't sing. The whole first set was a struggle. Interesting that the whole show was tunes from 1970 and prior. Will all the setlists be such segmented time slices? Will they repeat anything between cities? Phil's only strong vocals were on Whats become of the baby. Trey Can't Sing the Blues, but OH MAN he sure came through in the second set!! I streamed it, and enjoyed all the great camera work on Mickey. Bruce's vox and piano should have been louder, and Trey should only try singing when he feels sincere. so I had mixed feelings. I would have felt ripped off if I had trecked out there and sweated through that weak first set.
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This has probably already been mentioned here but if you buy the stream through MLB then you have 30 days to watch it. YouTube is only 24 hours. http://mlb.mlb.com/concert/dead50/
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Consensus from this board not very positive. I saw one say " could have been worse". I thought it sounded real good and thought the band was solid. I was in atom with some other people so wasn't watching as close as others. Wished Phil would not sing solo and that Hornsby was more prominent but all in all ... It very much exceeded my expectations.
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I CANT STAND ALL THE NAY SAYERS ON HOW THE BAND PLAYED SOUNDED OR ANY THING NEGATIVE !!!! Phil's 70 something and Bob's younger but still a senior citizen thank the Good lord they even played live at all. Not a day goes by that I don't miss Jerry or my Father or both there both gone way , way too young so to all that negativity shut it ,cause I wish to God I could go And see the Boys Just one more time
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I was at the show last night. All I can say is wow! Sure during the first few songs we saw them having problems connect at times... But it just got better and better. I agree with the "Phil needs to sing less" comments but not with the comments that the jams were too long and aimless. You can look at a setlist or watch a webcast... But being there was incredible. Trey fit in very well and did so without just trying to mimic Jerry. His style was still very present... But he was playing the notes that jerry would have played. In the next four shows, these guys are going to get better and better and there will be many faces melted in the process...
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"Home in Missoula,Home in Truckee, Home in Opelousas, Ain't no home for me. Home in old Medora, Home in Wounded Knee, Home in Ogallala, Home I'll never be." Sal Paradise
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I have no doubt that will be true. The so-called "consensus" isn't. I, for one, will be watching tonight. Seventeen minutes 'till showtime!
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Just checking in! watching tonights webcast! Looking forward to it! RIP Chris Squire...a great underrated bassist! He will be missed! Take care folks!
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Did anyone else catch the frustration by bobby and phil for the song perhaps not starting on time, Watch for phil and bobs reaction, around 32:00-33:00 into the first set..maybe it's just me, but interesting nonetheless https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LTUA46DyiIk
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For the love of Christ!!! Let trey sing!!!!! Not even row jimmy??? Cmon
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No condemnation here- just joining the dialogue. Just watched the first set video someone generously posted on youtube. The band was fun, and definitely more dynamic than the bulk of the Dead's shows post '90, but I wasn't inspired by it. It sounded more or less like every other post-Jerry incarnation of the Dead/Further/ whatever. Actually of all the incarnations I've heard, I thought that late Furthur with Kadlicek has been the best, and has risen a bit above the others. Still, although the guys are reasonably tight and musical, the music's lost the subtleties, grandeur, rawness, lyrical density, and unpredictability of the Dead in the 60's, 70s, and parts of the 80s. Also- again, I'm not 'hatin,' as they say- I've always felt Hornsby is too polished and polite for the Dead, though he helped to save their ass when Vince was around. Plus- with two drummers AND two keyboard players, the music's developed this crowded ensemble feel. Trey- he's fine, as guitarists go, but I'm surprised that people are so wowed by him- his playing here doesn't sound particularly distinctive or seem to advance the music. Just the first night, though- maybe a strengthening is in store. Am not saying that no new guitarist could bring some magic back to the band, but so far he hasn't been found for these shows.
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....on purchasing tonight's show. Sorry Phil, but you can't sing. One Hornsby lead last night? Really? Unfortunately, I think it's an ego thing with Lesh. Stick to the bass.....please. Bruce should sing most every Garcia tune, with some Anastasio sprinkled in....no brainer imo....
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Thanks for posting the first set. Loved it!!!
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Your welcome , glad you enjoyed it :-)
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Set One: Feel Like a Stranger > Brown-Eyed Women > Loose Lucy > Loser > Row Jimmy > Alabama Getaway > Black Peter > Hell In A Bucket Set Two: Mississippi Half-Step > Wharf Rat > Eyes of the World > He’s Gone > Drums > Space > I Need A Miracle > Death Have No Mercy How was it from anyone who watched/was there?
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