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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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    Kayaker.. I, too, convert Flac to Wav then just use the raw wav files in ITunes, I don't go through the extra step of converting to ALAC, wav works. Another reason to be pissed at Apple. They wont support Flac because they are favoring their proprietary ALAC format. Those rat bastards... Let there be (flac) songs to fill the air.
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    About the name Gary Farseer. No I have not heard of the Farseer Trilogy until you posted here. It does appear to be an interesting book series. Interesting that one of the female characters last name is Birdsong. I was just making a play on Jerry's name and sort of how I view things in life. That is, information I process and books/ideas I enjoy reading about. Will definitely be looking into the trilogy more to see if I can squeeze in some read time.
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    Reached my quota for posts.Heading outside.......
  • icecrmcnkd
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    There is free software for FLAC on PC. Google it.I use Mac so I can't make a PC recommendation. I use xAct but others have previously said that XLD? is good.
  • icecrmcnkd
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    iTunes doesn't read FLAC (last I checked), you will need to go through WAV. Listening to Hendrix - Woodstock....... Good way to get Saturday started.
  • icecrmcnkd
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    The settings might reset with each iTunes software update.
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    How does one import FLAC files to Itunes without decompressing the FLACs to WAV 1st? Can one import FLAC files and end up with ALAC files? Are there PC based tools that will do this conversion?
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    You need to configure your import settings in the iTunes preferences window.44.1 kHz, 16 bit if you want to burn it later to a CD-R. AIFF for Mac, WAV for PC. This is uncompressed. You can store it like this on a hard drive for backup and use the files to make copies in a compressed format. If you just want to load the music into iTunes then use the preferences to pick the format you want. The preferences can also be used to pick where the files are stored. For 30 Trips I set the storage location as an external HD and copied the discs as 44.1/16 AIFF. The files are now backed up lossless on a HD but they are not stored in my iTunes music collection because I changed the storage location. You can then use those uncompressed files to import compressed files into your iTunes music collection: change the storage location back to where your iTunes music collection is stored and set import format - ALAC, AAC, FLAC, etc. Then import from the HD where you stored the CD backups. I edit the 44.1/16 files with Toast to make seamless transitions between discs and reorder tracks if necessary. Then export as a disc image (Sd2f) and then use the Sd2f file to make AIFF, AAC, FLAC files.
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    What I noticed after burning Dave's 16 was the folder the m4a files are stored in was only 441 mbytes. Uncompressed .wav's would be just north of 2 gigs and lossless ALAC or Flac should be somewhere between 1.2 gigs and 1.4 gigs, so I knew something was wrong and it was not a lossless copy, some compression had occurred. I went into my import settings and sure enough.. it had been switched from ALAC (lossless) to 128kb AAC. When I got this PC (its about a year old) the first thing I did was change the import settings to Lossless and used ALAC, as that is what I had been using before. There is no way I changed the settings back. The phantom did it almost certainly when the software was auto updated. 128kb AAC sounds bad, it definitely sounds compressed and I am miffed as to why or how this happened. I don't want anything in my collection to be lossy, in 2015 there is really no reason to sacrifice sound quality to save disc space. Hope that helps answer your question.
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    Sorry and I hope you don't mind but can you dumb down to me what you mean by iTunes updating and ALAC settings? I downloaded the Boxset. What happens with this update? I never follow the settings stuff. What does it do? Will I lose these downloads or just make them sound compressed? Thanks in advance and prayers for Paris. This world is getting darker....
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

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....this discussion has merit. You could put all the shows in a Captain Trips hat and pull them out one by one if you can't make up your mind, which may apply to me. ....next up on 30 Trips neighbors, Cape Cod 10.28. Always liked a Half Step->Franklin's opener. Especially an over thirty minute one?! Can't go wrong with that pair up....
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I plan on listening to this from the early years though the late. Not because this is the only way to do it... Just because this makes the most sense to me. I would really like to discuss / digest / criticize / praise the shows with other like minded folks (and different minded folks). I find the dead net forum to be cumbersome. Everyone should listen to this box in the order they find fit.... But if anyone wants to commit to 30 weeks of music, I want to find the best venue. Love the chats at dead.net, but I don't think it fits my paradigm. Edit: not criticizing the conversations or contributions of what is discussed here. Just the format. I'm looking for different threads for all 30 shows. All contributions welcome.
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....perhaps she could set this up. Hello??....I agree. This site is all over the place. Needs to be streamlined....who is their IT guy?
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The discussion threads for each show are still there, but just not viewable from any of the menus at the moment. My understanding is "stay tuned" for an update.http://www.dead.net/shows-by-year
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...Vg: glad you discovered chat, Columbus! :O We had a small group of regulars who met in deadnet chat while listening live to the FTW shows and it was great fun...in fact, I just came from the c-room where I synched up with clutchcargo (a frequent denizen) who was streaming a Dead show on the Ark from 2009. WTJ: Great call! I'd never really looked at the yearly archive pages - what a terrific resource for our 30 Trips community needs! In fact, I think we can consolidate everything right here on deadnet with the "Shows by Year" forum, this page, and the chatroom for (hopefully) some collective listening and contemporaneous editorializing! WOOT! Dusty: I'll be listening in progressive chronological order, too, and, after checking WTJ's link, am hoping you'll reconsider sticking around...we'll have a lot to discuss! Should you establish an alternative forum, I do hope it's not Facebook - not even the lure of erudite Deadheads waxing poetic over 30 Trips could induce me to join :( ... I feel the gravitational pull of collective excitement as we accelerate toward the event horizon...Open the pod bay doors, HAL.../peace, K
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I'm with you, Wissinoming, that show is probably my favorite Brent era show and 9-18-87 is right there with it. I had long been under the assumption that Cape Cod '79 was not in the vault so was doubly excited to see this in the box.Thankfully my wife doesn't read these boards as your honey-do list exposes me for the slacker that I am. Wilfred, GREAT idea! I hope many here go for that if there's not an alternate option put up later on the site.
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"At certain points in a better Dead show there would be that distinctive heightening of intensity as the entire audience's awareness would become more and more in sync - increasingly connected - until there'd be that awesome instant when everyone was suddenly joined by the overwhelming realization of complete psychic connection with everyone else in the venue, like an amazingly intense and powerful bolt of awareness shooting through everyone instantaneously, in that incredible moment exposing the underlying, overarching, and inherent truth of the nature of existense. It was like having the cheap, silly clown mask torn off the face of reality, and the ineffable, mysterious, terrifying, amazing intensity of existence is suddenly so perfectly, so unambiguously experienced, understood, and appreciated. Even the soul shattering, infinitely depressing horrors of reality (if you're paying attention to reality you know what I mean) are somehow made to seem to be tolerable in that transcendent instant. In a mind blowing flash! What I'm describing is a unique phenomenon which The Grateful Dead band members themselves came to value above all other experiences which one might encounter at a performance of live music, and they'd labor each and every night to arrive there. They'd have to get themselves in tune with the emotional and psychological energies of that particular night's audience. Through the process of improvised, spontaneous creativity they'd search for the precise frequency with which to be in sympathetic vibration with the audience's collective psyche". Quote from Snidely Q. Dooshbaghe on AVCLUB.COM
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Audio. ..Once again a person who will not be named isn't happy with how this posting is going and wants TPTB to do something. Enough, skip over the parts you don't like stop trying to fit us into your idea of what and who gets posted. Most of us just like reading other's thoughts on deadstuff. It's nnot like we're writing scientific research here
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Would like to trade the 79-89 shows for spring 90 vol.1. PM if interested
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Dead.net, show us some pictures of the contents of this box set - the open box itself, several spread open show containers, the book, the 7" vinyl "single", maybe even the scroll. Perhaps this will sell off the remaining units of this 6,500 unit offer. But keep a few just for prizes.
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10/27/79 was my 23rd birthday, I very much wanted to go, but my family had other plans for me. They weren't too keen on my driving 6 hours just to see two GD shows. Besides that I had *just* seen them only 14 miles away at Lafayette College on May 7th in Easton Pennsylvania, which we, my local Dead Heads, had tickets for.
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is now up. Mine auto-started for some reason. Edit: the auto-start on the listening party makes it impossible to listen while also having another 30 Trips page open for viewing comments, as a refresh of the page restarts the listening party again. This is only happening in Internet Explorer 11, not happening in Firefox. I take that back, it auto-starts in Firefox too, just without the pop-up window. By the way, the "That's It For The Other One" sounds fantastic!
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Less than 250 left (USB) Less than 500 left (80-cd box)
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After this sells out please consider a music-only version of three or more smaller box sets issued a few months apart. There are many fans who would love to purchase this music on CD who could never afford $700+ in any given pay period. (Something compact that doesn't take up a lot of shelf space is always appreciated too.)
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I'm using IE 11 and it downloaded as an mp3 to my desktop. Not sure if that was intended or not by the webfolks, but that's what's happening to me...
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For the record, it should be "fewer than" 500 left, not "less than." At least they said "than" and not "then." End of rant.
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No box set for you! Come back one year!
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Not a big fan of the auto play feature. I guess its better than having them ask me for my email address each and every time I log into Dead.Net (Chinese Water Torture and Waterboarding come to mind).. I'm keeping track of how many people are getting chewed out by their bosses vs. how many people got fired for blasting The Other One from their work computer today as a result of logging into this site while at work. PM me if you were one of the kind folks getting a pink slip. :D Perhaps we have some dead head bosses and someone got promoted!
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Can I still get soup, Dave?
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Dave's not here.
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Here's what's left of the the individual shows I'm selling from my box if anyone is interested: 1978 1985 1993 PM me if you want 'em.
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For those who want this, yet whine about the price: Whats your cable bill? Cigarettes? Drugs? Booze? Gas? Soda/Chips? How much could you cut back for a year and really really really make this work. Just a thought. Cut out one tank of gas a month: done Grow your own: done Quit eating crap and grow your own: done I understand some people just can't But... I have yet to hear someone with a sacrifice who figured out how they could maybe afford it.... without being completely selfish or criminal. This is priceless....Thanks
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I literally had to check to make sure DP 22 hadn't somehow started back up on it's own (I had just hit pause on it, within 60 seconds of coming to dead.net). Not a fan of the auto play either. Grammar Nazi - that's more or less accurate.
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Sorry, 1980 is also available ...I'm not that selfish, but I'm definitely a criminal cheers!
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"For those who want this, yet whine about the price: Whats your cable bill? Cigarettes? Drugs? Booze? Gas? Soda/Chips?" You forgot hookers and fireworks.
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Here's a quick tally of people whose jobs were impacted by music blasting at work as a result of the auto play feature. JimInMD - Pink Slip. So begins a lifetime of muttering to myself and periods of uncontrollable face twitching. 30 Trips, cancelled immediately. KeithFan2112 - Pink Slip, in the process of evicting his cat, dog and goldfish. Bolo24 - Fired on the spot. Life of crime ensues. mbarilla - Stern warning from close-talking, mean-spirited boss. Begins 6 month probation tomorrow. HendrixFreak - Promoted, no more weekend shifts. More to come.
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For those who whine about those who whine about the cost: Please stop acting like you some of us are idiots who don't know how to figure out our finances. That is not the problem for most people - it's not an issue of saving enough money. Take my case: I can technically afford this. I HAVE the money. My wife is a farmer - so yes we grow our own food. We are careful and smart with our money. The problem is, there are many "optional purchases" in life, and when you have a family, justifying one that is only for you and no one else in the family, well, it's tough. This is the cost of a fridge; or the replacement of those bad cedar shakes on the house; or a couple of tickets to see my aging parents who live very far away and who we should see more often; it's books for my older step daughter for at least one or two semesters of college; it's a couple of kayaks for me and my six-year old daughter. Or fifty other things. So you know what? If it bothers me that my favorite show of all time is buried in a 700 dollar box, dammit, I'll whine if I want to. My little girl just said, "Dad, I love you - wanna play a game with me?" Hell yeah. (PS, not aimed at any one person - just a slowly built up reaction to a number of posts along those lines since early June).
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I thought I had got off with just a slap on the wrist and 6 month probation, but after I heard my close talking, mean-spirited boss bad talking "Dancin in the Streets" from 5.6.70,, I had to ape Sh%t on him. Lol
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I read in earlier comments about folks ordering this and not being charged yet. It this still true? Will we get billed on September 18? Thanks!
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check your PM's
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Yep here it comes "OK now that it's almost sold out can you TPTB please put out smaller segments or single shows" "it's ok you said you wouldn't do it we who didn't make the commitment to the whole enchilada don't care". As for whining I hear you and as I wrote in an earlier post I ignore what doesn't interest me. That said some clueless ones like to attack those of us who have decided to spend big are rich pigs (paraphrase). Not that I care if you are rich but as has been pointed out we made our choice how or where we spend our disposable income
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That "Feel Like A Stranger" was pretty hot. I might actually keep this show. Wait, who said that?
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mp3 downloaded in chrome as well...
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mp3 downloaded in chrome as well...
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Hi all - sorry for my rant earlier, just frustrated at what seems like a lack of empathy for people who have good reasons to balk at the cost of this set. But I DID order one, back in June. I feel mad guilty about it because of family obligations etc, but I finally decided I could not pass it up. My rationalization: The vast majority of my income does not go to "me-only" type things; it mostly goes to things for the whole family. I love rationalizations. Also, I just have to say - you are some amazing dudes (and Katie and Mary!) in this forum.
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1973 - 12.1.73 - Playin in the Band -> Uncle John's Band -> Playin in the Band Row Jimmy Greatest Story Ever Told Not Fade Away-> Goin Down the Road Feeling Bad -> One More Saturday Night 1983 - 10.15.83 - China Cat Sunflower -> I Know Your Rider Playin In the Band -> China Doll -> Drums -> Space -> Saint Stephen -> Throwing Stones -> One More Saturday Night 1986 - 4.22.86 - Visions of Johanna ; Bird Song 1987 - 11.15.87 Scarlet Begonias -> Fire on the Mountain Looks Like Rain -> He's Gone -> Drums To Be Continued....
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Easy. 1-$750.00 is a lot of money. 2-It's one show a year for 30 years. Everyone has a favorite "era" of Grateful Dead iterations. This release is a taste of everything so there is a reluctance to buy shows from "eras" one may consider over represented or not worthy of buying. 3-$750.00 is a lot of money.
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Will this SELL OUT BEFORE September 18th? I say ONE GRATE BIG YES!!!!!!! I say by August 15th it's GONE!!!!
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this box set. Updating my 110 year old sewer pipes are a priority despite how many times I try to convince myself that I can put those repairs off. But unfortunately such priorities do dictate my finances at times. That said, I will watch for any modification on the possibility of the offering of single/individual shows, as there are some tasty selections to be had. Happy for all of you who were able to swing this box. One request, I did submit my story on the 1977 NYE show, the oroboros, meeting Jerry in Madison and talking art, and those Red Rocks shows. IF mine is a 'special fan remembrance' included in the booklet with the box set, I would appreciate it if one of you lucky purchasers would let me know. That would make my day. Peace "Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself."
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now that this thing is close to selling out the powers at be need to reverse their decision, and release individual shows. those representing the band love to remind everyone how much the band appreciates its fans, so how about showing it? if they released individual shows it would make so many fans happy. after numerous deadheads were turned away from the chicago shows this summer, you'd think the band would jump at the chance to spread this release to as many fans as possible. they wouldn't even have to release all 30 shows. maybe just release half of them. ----
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I hear ya.The collector in me loves it.However.....The deadhead in me loathes it. Goes 100% against the grain. ...and being the completest that I kinda am,I've purchased some 'spensive stuff lately. But any extra's I've turned have been for what I paid....or been the greatest gifts EVER. :)
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Answering my own question, posed a few days ago here. After I ordered the USB version, I had a pause, what if it is just upsampled from the CD masters ... anyway, I inquired, and the information is great. The USB version is from a separate 96/24 master from 192/24 copies of the analog or DAT (later years) recordings. Or perhaps, more accurately, converted from the 192/24 masters. If your playback system is up to the task, the USB set will provide the finest audio, although giving up the nice packaging of the 80 CD collection. Anyone who has listened to the high res download version of Wake Up to Find Out will understand this right away, and I expect that some of the older analog recordings will exceed WUTFO.
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If this starts a debate on the merits of hi-res audio, let's take this off-line (via PMs). But I wanted to say that I have never seen nor heard evidence that any listener can hear the difference between 16/44,1 and higher resolution audio. I know it's easy to think it sounds better. I convinced myself with some casual comparison listening. THEN I tried a double-blind listening test and I could not hear the difference. I felt confident during the test (about 50 A/B trials of the same material on various studio monitors and headphones) but was wrong at least half the time, which is the same as guessing. Also, I have never seen a study that demonstrates that even one person on Earth can hear the difference. I HAVE seen studies that show the opposite. Spend your money as you see fit, of course. Give up the doo-dads (and book) if you must. But please report back with hard evidence that there is an audible difference.
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Why would any business person care about their word and hold to the limit they promised. They're all scum aren't they
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