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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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June 2, 2015 - 6:34pm

#7621

mbarilla

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MinasMorgul I agree

A few choices seem questionable, unless they are planning something for Spring or Summer 73. And 1980 should have an acoustic set included unless some Radio City / Warfield is getting separate treatment. And how about a bonus disc for early orders ?? What's up with that 10.21.72 Truckin > The Other One > Morning Dew The 7 inch is a super nice touch. I will give them that. And WTF !! How are they not going to put some pics up or any sort of art, but a promo graphic. If it's so cool lets see a video. Supaaaaa unprepared. And please shoot it inside with no wind effects. Have Mickey do it with his Go Pro.
June 2, 2015 - 6:30pm

#7622

rpickeri

Joined:
November 4, 2010

Tossin and turnin tonight

dup post
June 2, 2015 - 6:30pm

#7623

kgandersen

Joined:
November 3, 2010

Thanks David!

Thanks David/guys for releasing this------this looks really great. Appreciate all the time and energy you put into this! Some great shows in here.
June 2, 2015 - 6:29pm

#7624

rpickeri

Joined:
November 4, 2010

Tossin and turnin tonight

Won't sleep well tonight. I've happily bought every set for the past 5-6 years (including the 72 set which my wife still brings up when angry with me). But I passed on the DP subscription this year to help fund the 50th purchase. But I never thought they would push out a $700 beast. Maybe I'll get a part time job. Maybe I'll stay strong and pass on this. Maybe I'll buy the set and auction half of it away (seems sad to break up a family though) Maybe I'll just buy the Phish set coming out later this month. Back to lurker mode.
June 2, 2015 - 6:29pm

#7625

brianhahne

Joined:
June 5, 2007

pending charge?

So I've seen several scenarios with Dead boxes...immediate charges, pending charges, pending charges that go away after 2 days and show up 4 months later as committed charges. What's the story going to be with this one? Will it be pending, or are they charging cards now?
June 2, 2015 - 6:24pm

#7626

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

mbarilla / one man

One Man, I think this will sell out, but not for some time. That being said, if theres enough volume to shut down the site, theres already a lot of pent up demand, its a unique release and the production run is 'small'. but the sticker shock will keep a lot away and alienate a bunch too. That being said, there were 12k DaP 1's printed. Want one? (kidding) mbarilla, I did listen to the 10/20/68 show on serious yesterday. I have never heard a Death Don't Have No Mercy I did not like yet. It was a cool show. They either will patch it or have a better source. ..and speaking of Bonus Discs, do we get one for putting up with all this nonsense today? Please, sir Bolo/master Pinkus?
June 2, 2015 - 6:20pm

#7627

SAMTHARDMAN

Joined:
September 9, 2012

Yes, Ga. has an internet tax

To the poster in Ga who asked about his shipping fee, the state of Ga requires all big retailers (revenue of 1 million) to collect an internet tax. I also live in Georgia and that extra tax just may get me off this sharp barbed wire fence I have been dangling on for hours. All I really want is 66-75 and the book; and to be honest, I don't have to have the book or the 72-74 shows. I can always wait for a la carte releases. Just like E72, I believe it will happen, but it will take a few years.
June 2, 2015 - 6:17pm

#7628

Dead Ahead

Joined:
July 20, 2007

Re: Multiple CC pending charges

Call the bank associated with your credit card and ask them to delete the extra charges. They can remove them immediately. If you have not gotten an email verification or confirmation number from Dead Net, just have the bank remove all pending charges for this purchase and then do a new order later tonight when things quiet down. HTH.
June 2, 2015 - 6:17pm

#7629

Strider 808808

Joined:
June 20, 2007

I oughta have my Dead Head examined

Was not planning on attending Dead-Phish anyway. How else can I justify this. I got my first raise in eleven years. I eat low budget (and healthy). I can collect social security in a year. My rent is cheap. No kids to send to college. Economy car. Was at two out of thirty of these concerts. Waterbury, Ct.1972 and Salt Lake City 1995. OK excuses excuses. Well Phuck me blue damn it!,I've been phucked by the phickle phinger of phate yet again.
June 2, 2015 - 6:14pm

#7630

Nanno-1974

Joined:
March 31, 2014

MinasMorgul

Hey MinasMorgul, You may certainly buy one of my extra copies (at face value, of course), if I did actually buy four copies. I honestly don't know if all four pending charges will actually be legitimate purchases, but I'll let you know. I'm sure others are willing to do the same. No worries (easy for me to say/write), but everything will work out.

John Perry Barlow

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

Vguy72

Can you send the link to the interior of the set - are these card covers as per daves picks for cds - any word on extras....

Stacked Box

I think its logistically easier to stack the CD cases in columns.. not rows if that makes sense. Much like The Golden Road box set, but with more columns. ..also, it slipped my mind to tell my gf about the box. Bet that's going to cost me some skin. Am I the only one?

The interior link....

....sorry to disappoint, but that link is buried in my gray matter. You need to ask Bolo about any other details. And why all the hate for Don't Ease?....

Easy to slip....

....like Jim and dusty rambler, it "slipped" my mind as well....hope it's not too big....

Dough Knees

Attending too many 80s shows and being disappointed at a Dough Knees virtually every other night....still Dough Knees would have been a joy in the 90s as opposed to Wave to the Wind, Childhoods End, Samba in the Rain, Long way to go (and the list goes on)

Hard to argue that....

....felt the same about Black Muddy River back in the day. I would give my left nut now if they played a show of only BMR now if Jerry was there....

BMR agree

Totally agree with you on that..... I did about 28 shows from 85 to 92 and the late 80s I got sick of certain songs (in heavy rotation) and also Weir's f***** cowboy songs....BMR I had a lot of love for again later but Dough Knees and cowboy songs no...... If only they had pulled off some of the songs they were playing on the 2003/2004 shows or the recent SC/Chi shows with Jerry still on board now that would have been hot...

bathroom break songs....

....Masterpiece was on that short list as well. Looking back, I think I should have held it and waited till setbreak....lol....

names at bottom

I couldn't agree more Zuckfun. I thought the exact same thing. The artwork itself looks lovely- but the big letter names along the bottom- really? No one raised an objection to this? It's really kind of funny. Horrible artistic decision, IMHO.

listing the names....

....agreed. A row of hand painted roses would have been nice. But, if your going to do it, I would think they would have at least put Jerry, Bobby, Bill & Phil all on one of the lengthwise parts. And yes, I would have printed Bobby. I would think one of those sides would be facing forward in anyone's display....am I wrong?....

Names Arranged

It looks like the names are arranged by who joined the band when. Jerry, Bob and Pigpen were first as 'Mother McCree's Uptown Jug Champions' followed by the 'Warlocks' with Bill and Phil and finally as the 'Grateful Dead' with Mickey. Sound reasonable? Be interesting to see how the other sides are arranged.

Masterpiece

To each his own, but Masterpiece is actually one of my all time favorite songs and the GD version is what won me over. Also love JGB, Dylan, of course, and The Band doing that song.

Box Dreams

Funny you should mention your dream, Kate. Last night, actually this morning, I had a very vivid dream that the box arrived early, as in now. In my dream the box was like an extra large rectangular book with four discs, 2x2, on each "page." Maybe describing it as a giant photo album is more accurate. Anyway, my box was missing the second disc from "page" one and there was no gold 7 inch to be found. Thankfully it was just a dream and totally unimportant to anyone reading this. Just shows how much it's on my mind I guess. It's been quite awhile since I had a "Dead dream." I'm not that excited about the visuals of the box posted today. My main concern is that the discs are housed similar to the DaP series.

i like 'em...!

as for me - i like the band member names at the base, just as they are. i think they look folksy, quaint, family, homespun, fun, and fit the overall design, pattern, colors, and pics just exactly perfect!

Inside the box

"What's in the box??" Brad Pitt - "Seven" Actually, the box doesn't open. There are jacks on the back side (USB, HDMI, RCA, etc.) to allow connecting to your computer, stereo, home theater system and so on. It is kinda like a Bluetooth-enabled jukebox. For example, you can simply say, "play 1969" and it will do just that. Very user-friendly with flexible commands like "random play" or "skip Samba." Also, the stealie on top of the box conceals a lens for a built-in projector. You can project lyrics, concert videos (if available) or custom light shows by Candace Brightman on your wall or ceiling while you enjoy the tunes. A bonus compilation DVD is included, featuring all your favorite moments of Bill Graham yelling at people. Really endearing! The celestial symbols in the corners of the boxtop can emit smokeless incense of your choice (included scents: patchouli, citrus, lavender and veggie burrito). More fragrances will be available via future downloads, including licorice, stale beer, and "Keith." Random boxes (1 in 100) will also include either a "holographic Jerry" feature or a rainbow generator. And one lucky Deadhead will receive the actual bandana worn by Pigpen at the Shrine Auditorium show, complete with original DNA-authenticated sweat stains! There's more, but Dave and crew would be pissed if I revealed everything. They do like their surprises! Cheers!

Puzzling isn't it

Thanks for that, Bolo. I'm still laughing my ass off. See the way I hear it.... Another random 20% are Himitsu-Bako puzzle boxes hand crafted by Mr. Yoshio Okiyama. It will take 111 steps to open and once you do inside is an extra 10 show bonus box. And that box is another puzzle box taking 66 steps to open. And of course 1 lucky person will get just a box with a rock in it. "I got a rock"

Countdown

I try to keep my countdown banter down the barest minimum however just for today, it's going to be a bit longer so here goes; 22 days until the "MOST BEAUTIFUL BOX IN THE WORLD" ships.

First and last

Just wondering if, for those of us without turntables, they'll slip hidden tracks at the beginning of show 1 and end of show 30 (Caution and Box of Rain)?

Fifteen men...

Couldn't help thinking of the old song "Fifteen men on a dead man's chest" when I saw the picture of the box. Perhaps we could amend the lyrics? "30 Trips in a Dead man's chest, Yo ho ho and a Box of Fun"?

The box

I just measured my 15 Dave's picks and they are 12" long, so a single layer of 2 rows in digipacks would would fit in a box with a 12"x10" interior compartment. This would allow you to choose single shows and not have to unload all the CDs, much like the E 72 box and unlike the Rhino Studio boxes. I worry about sleeves because of the Warlox box and while it looks great on my DVD shelf, the 1977 box is my least favorite option for CD sets. The box pictured in the Relix photo looks like it could have a 12"x10" space with room for a book and goodies on top of the CDs. The artwork reminds me of a magicians chest in a Terry Gilliam movie.

Very nice looking box from the outside!

As stated above in the "shows" listing: "Oh boy! We intended to add announce all 30 shows throughout the pre-order period, but we got scooped!", did they get scooped once again? Maybe that will accelerate the official unveiling here. I am hoping.

Listening Party: 30 Trips Around The Sun, Part 6

I just finished the Listening Party: 30 Trips Around The Sun, Part 6. Does Comes A Time from the 86 show sound like it has some low level static noise throughout? It's a Man's World sounds far superior.

The Panels on the Box...

...depict Ingmar Bergman's "The Seventh Seal".

Listening Party: Part 6

Don't know about he '86 show, but the Passenger from 1980 sounds muddier than the version on the archive.

Passenger

Hey Cousins - I hear what you mean. It's subjective of course, but I prefer the Box version. Listening to them side-by-side, and the Archive version sounds great, until I go back to the Box version, which sounds warmer and less trebly to me. (One man's "less trebly" is another mans's "muddier" :)

Bolo, this sounds like Rhino

Bolo, this sounds like Rhino took a page out of Neil Young's playbook! ;-)

caution on vinyl?

Has the caution on the vinyl already been officially released on 'Birth of the Dead'?

MOST BEAUTIFUL BOX IN THE WORLD

Wasn't that a Charlie Rich song? Hey, did you happen to see the most beautiful box in the world? And if you did, was it open and playing? Or was that my wedding song?

Re: Beautiful Box

..or perhaps the John Lennon song Beautiful Box would work. I will take Bolo at his word.. which can only mean Rhino hired Special Agent Q to design the bells and whistles. Where did he say the small, leftover Owsley crystal was again? WhWhat! The Caution was already released? Cancel! (kidding).

Box reveal

That's an awesome looking box! That Relix debuted the images is odd, but maybe later today they'll unveil it officially here. I keep coming here to see if the images have found their way here yet, since they had to be the ones to preview it to Relix and to give them Cream Puff War to preview... I'm incredibly stoked for this box seeing those two pics!

Box Reveal

True Relix got the pics but Bolo unveiled the special features. I am still waiting for the drop-o-liquid feature.

Names on the box?

Two sides we've seen name 6 members, we've still got Tom, Robert, Keith, Donna, Brent, Vince, & Bruce... Think they'll fit or will someone be left out? Can't explain how excited I am now that I've seen it!

re: Passenger

Claney says:"One man's "less trebly" is another mans's "muddier" Yeah, so true! I feel the same way about guitar pickups: I think of humbuckers as muddy, and P-90s as more defined and crisper, and yes more trebly. :-)

Why Relix?

Relix probably paid for the exclusive reveal. And Relix is owned by Peter Shapiro.

Make room for the box! Get rid of your old tapes

Most of us probably got rid of all old tapes by now as we switched to digital. However, if you're still hanging on to those old analog gems and need space for the master of all boxes, here's a potential solution: http://www.jambase.com/Articles/126264/Numero-Group-Wants-Your-Grateful… You know you don't listen to the tapes anymore and just hang on to them because we are collectors, and that's what we do.

Road Trip V1 N1

Can't find where this was discussed,,, but RT 1-1 just came WITH Bonus disc. So this month I've gotten v1 and n 1&2 with bonus. If you don't have, might be worth the chance.

Hip Ripple video

Hip new Ripple video compliments of Jerry Garcia Foundation. http://www.jerrygarciafoundation.org/?eml=dn/PlayingForChang-CheckItOut… I'm sure you folks all get the same mass emails I do, but in case your not on the list.. its a nice, happy-feel good effort with lots of cameos.

What is the deal?

Ever buy anything practically sight-unseen? I rarely do, but in the case of this collection I ponied up a substantial sum two months ago, with the expectation that I'd be learning more about my purchase over time.... But all we've gotten so far is some snippets of music, some press about the book ( great, but honestly, is anyone paying $700+ because of the book?) and now Relix releases a couple of pictures. If they started working on this in 2012, why am I getting the feeling that they're still gluing these boxes together. Normally if this was something like the numerous other boxed sets it'd be no big deal. But we paid a LOT of money, and we are trying to figure out how big the box is? Where am I putting it? How would I know? And where are Dave's funny but focus-challenged videos? Always makes me wish I could read lips... "Oh look, a seagull!" GIVE ME SOME INFORMATION!!!

Individual shows

I just hope the individual shows are packaged well inside the box. Please nothing like Europe 77 or The Warlocks box. Please.

30 Trips box looks like ...

These first pictures of the "30 Trips Around The Sun" box look like a case of beer. It's very colorful and I like it, so far. I wonder how it opens? We will find out soon.Thank you Relix & Peter Shapiro for the glimpse.

Names On The Box

They appear to be in the order that the band was formed/grown: Jerry, Bob and Pigpen were originally 'Mother McCree's Uptown Jug Champions' then the 'Warlocks' with Billy and finally Phil. They were already the Grateful Dead by the time Mickey and Robert came aboard. Then the order would be Tom (T.C.), followed by Keith, Donna, Brent, Bruce and finally Vince. I believe the order's correct, let's see if it runs that way on the box.

DaveStrang

Hate to burst your bubble but that won't be the correct order. If Robert's included - and hell, I'd love to see Hunter on there - then we'd also need JP Barlow of course - and with that many names we would run out of space - I'm thinking your list ex. Hunter would be right.... Now for an image of the inside please Rhino (or Relix)

Seeking a Swap

Looking for a swap. I have the 2013 Allman Brothers Band complete box set (close to 80cds) in a numbered deluxe box with 2 programs....only played once...will cover shipping my end Australia to anywhere worldwide Looking to swap for: Europe 72 box set (un-numbered and un-named is fine) PM me

@saintstephen1971

I remembered Barlow after I posted; he'd come in around the same place as Keith & Donna - but let's face it Hunter wrote far more songs than Barlow - Hunter was the band's lyricist not just JG's,having co-written 'Sugar Magnolia' 'Greatest Story Ever Told' 'Playing In The Band' and 'One More Saturday Night' with BW, as well as 'Mr. Charlie' with Pigpen and the sole writer on Pigpen's 'Easy Wind'. But you're right, Barlow should be included also. Maybe the former members and lyricists are listed vertically so everyone fits?

Countdown

3 WEEKS or 21 days (whichever LOOKS better) until the box of BROBDINGNAGIAN proportion ships. Today is August 27th do you know where your copy of SSDD is?

LAWDY!

Hola - Not sure about everyone else, but a little disappointed that all that was shown is the box! Was hoping for a little more reveal . . . but, then again, it will make the arrival a much more exciting experience I suspect. I've bought every single thing issued since OFV series initiated the plundering (of course, like most, already had all the official album releases on vinyl, a few CDs and casettes (before CDs). Just lucky I've been in workforce since it all started. Anyway, the box is quite hip on the outside and the notion of a "crate" should fit in well with the other "cases" that the E72 and Spring 90 came in. Main reason came on was to comment on DSO. They usually hit Lexington, KY about once a year or so. I went once, enjoyed it, but it is a really good cover band that has found a perfect niche in the Dead scene. They clearly love the music, are performing a wonderful service, and I didn't detect a whiff of opportunism. All that said, and its probably because I'm now north of 55, but I just couldn't get into it. The musicianship is certainly competent as most professional musicians are, but there is really no depth or surprise or flexibility that were integral to the Dead; or, for that matter, any band that has the talent and tenacity to create an original sound. But, I know lots of folks who love them, and I definitely agree they have the vibe . . . which is why I belive they are a valid piece of the GD kaleidoscope.

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