30 Trips Around The Sun Box & Digital USB

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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September 8, 2015 - 2:07pm

#4941

sfrank115

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RE: Try selling an HD file second hand ...

I don't believe that vinyl is the record company's way of getting rid of CDs. CDs are the first medium that doesn't deteriorate after multiple listens. http://www.research.philips.com/technologies/projects/cd/ Think about it - Vinyl is not portable, and while cassette tapes were portable, the sound quality sucked, and players often ate the tapes for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. My Sony [yellow] walkman had a nasty appetite. What never took off here, but did in places like Japan, are the mini-disc. You could actually plug a mini-disc player into the radio, and record what was being put out. Cool, right? We're talking convenience meeting quality. I know streaming is super convenient, but like the cassette tapes - the sound quality is not up to par. The only streaming service that puts out 16bit/44.1khz audio is Tidal. Spotify, Rdio, Pandora, Google Play, and iTunes all streaming MP3s at 320kbps (except iTunes which streams AAC files at 320kbps). While those are higher quality MP3s, they are still MP3s, which, by design is a lossy format. Now, unless you're Flavor Flav from the 80's and have a turntable necklace - you can't get that vinyl sound in a portable fashion. As for CDs, well, I have the hi-res fetish, so for me, I believe the 24bit/96khz audio files sound different than the albums on CD, especially if they were made before 2000. BUT - keep in mind, CDs are still better than any streaming or cassette tape. I would much rather have a CD then an MP3. For example, I'm now listening to 'Let It Rock: Jerry Garcia Collection Vol.2 w/Nicky Hopkins' - I had this on MP3, and while it sounded good - the CD version sounds more robust. The opposite side of the spectrum is if the recording is bad. Go listen to the "Long Island Sound Fall 1989" JGB shows, and the first show from Sept. 5th, 1989 sounds horrible. That is just the way (according to the liner notes) it sounded at the time until the got the sound in order. I have both the CD version and 24bit/176khz of that show, and while it sounds bad on the CD version - it sounds infinitely worse in hi-res. In conclusion, if the recording is shitty - it will sounds even shittier in hi-res. Hope this makes sense. CDs are good, but [TO ME] hi-res sounds better, and its portable.
September 8, 2015 - 1:46pm

#4942

Gary Farseer

Joined:
August 1, 2015

The Veggie Burrito

Hard to believe some of the wranglings going on here. Went offline for a few days and we went squirrelly again. I did love me some veggie burritos. I do not seem to remember being pissed off at the person selling it because they marked it up, made a profit, and paid to get to the next city. The organization allowed and encouraged the Shakedown as a needed ecosystem. As has been eloquently stated, the organization has risks involved on these boxes. Business is both tough and brutal. They are doing there best. I believe just like the Shakedown and the veggie burrito, selling it on the ebay shakedown is just an extension of that model with a different delivery chain. One reason I believe that is because I had a situation where I could not order from dead.net because I could not allow something from there to be delivered to me. I could however buy from a bookstore. That has changed but we never know how others operate. Maybe some can help me with this. Question: What did Jerry/Robert mean when they sang "Gone are the broken eyes we saw through in dreams, gone both dream and lie."
September 8, 2015 - 1:31pm

#4943

Gary Farseer

Joined:
August 1, 2015

my angst

For me I have been firm with my purchase since the start. I must admit I have had both the urge to cancel as it is a large outlay and to buy a second copy. Struggles struggles. I am sure for me and many, once the charge hits there will be some relief. Sure hope so.
September 8, 2015 - 1:19pm

#4944

wissinomingdeadhead

Joined:
December 17, 2011

PLEASE.......

Just take MY money & end this madness....then START SHIPPING!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 8, 2015 - 1:09pm

#4945

rrot

Joined:
October 3, 2009

What is it like there anyway?

"Mykah! I found another 14. No wait, 15 copies." "What? Where?" "Under that stained blanket in Receiving." "You told me yesterday you'd already looked 'everywhere'..." "Well, nobody wanted to touch that thing -- you've seen it. C'mon. It smells. Pretty sure that's the last of them now." "But you looked there just now for no reason? You'll probably find some more copies again after lunch." "Maybe."
September 8, 2015 - 1:08pm

#4946

Gary Farseer

Joined:
August 1, 2015

bertha???

Hard to believe we are 9 hours from the start of the end. this is said in jest, as we struggle with communication on this board. "Charge me, charge me; but please don't try to defraud me." any better sentiment or lines? We will get past this angst.
September 8, 2015 - 12:57pm

#4947

rrot

Joined:
October 3, 2009

Prediction

I'd like to claim to be the first to predict: No other Dead release has sold out or will sell out more times than this one. There are some more copies!!! Again!!!! The next time -- coming up shortly -- 30 Trips is sold out, it will be, I think, the 4th time. (No, vinyl never had and never will have anything close to the dynamic range of digital media. That's math. No, vinyl isn't really a music-industry thing anymore. It IS most definitely a niche thing. But not in the sense of a niche of consumers deluded into thinking that vinyl's sonically better [Although there are those. Poor fools, rebuying vinyl half-speed masters of their favorite 60s/70s music over and over again]. No, it's just that there are a huge, mammoth number of tiny, insignificant (to the industry; we who are into them find them significant of course) artists using vinyl the same way that GDM are using their release program: You release a project on vinyl -- and ONLY on vinyl -- in a limited edition. We don't need the vinyl because it sounds so great, but because there's no other way to get the music!)
September 8, 2015 - 12:55pm

#4948

hbob1995

Joined:
June 26, 2007

Cds

I think the portability of cds also helped to increase their appeal. You could not take a vinyl record in the car to play, or on a run through the woods. And while cassettes were the answer for awhile, they just didn't sound as good and how many of us lost a great album due to the cassette player eating it? I still love cds. I may download a bit, but I am still a big fan of those little round silver discs. Call me a dinosaur if you wish. Lol! Rock on
September 8, 2015 - 12:39pm

#4949

Kayak Guy

Joined:
June 4, 2015

RE: Try selling an HD file second hand ...

I respectfully disagree, I have thousands of records and have been collecting them since the 1970's. the demise of records was due to the cost of oil in the early 1970's and cassettes didn't have the same fideilty. The labels came up with CDs in an effort to resell the old material in yet another new format. In fact the original CDs sounded brittle because they used the LP master to make the CDs, it was only once people started releasing albums on CD that specific CD mixes were done. When CD burners first became available after the floppy disk era, there were special "Music only" blank CDs that cost an extra $1 per disk that went to the RIAA for copyright protection education. They lasted a couple years before EAC could rip a CD that didn't have software copyright protection loaded on the CDs that would kill your burner if you tried ripping them. Vinyl is fine, its a nice fetish, but saying it sounds better is subjective and unable to be proven objectively. Even the linked article in the original post states it is subjective to the listener. Most fetishes are subjective to the person with the fetish. About 7 years ago there was only 1 vinyl plant left in the US, outside of Nashville, it was only after it became totally backed up that new record plants came back on line. Vinyl is a fad that will help the labels get rid of CDs and provide an "audiophile" option vs the download option, but for quality of music distribution it's a poor replacement for those CDs anyone can make an exact copy of if they still have a CD burner. If records remained so popular, why did all the record stores disappear, it's a niche market and remains so today.
September 8, 2015 - 12:12pm

#4950

chastason

Joined:
November 1, 2010

RE: Try selling an HD file second hand ...

> Vinyl is a scam by the labels, who after fighting to ban CD> burners in PCs, moved back to vinyl as a distribution method > after losing money to people ripping CDs for their friends. That is absurd. Vinyl does not exist to thwart the copying of music. The only reason that vinyl is still being made is due to marketplace demand. I don't have any evidence for this next statement, but I bet there is some truth in the statement that record companies would rather not have to deal with vinyl manufacturing (vinyl requires different mastering than cds; you do not use the same mastered files for both mediums) - it's far more expensive to make a record than a cd. It's my guess that in the record companies eyes, records are just another revenue stream, which is why they still exist.

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

24 Box Sets Left

I hope there isn't going to be too many people regretting not buying. I want to see the inside of this box, how the CD's are packed and pictures of the book really bad.

O.K....

Gearing up some shows waiting for this box...daves 8, dicks 13, and dicks 32 which are shows all around shows in "Boxzilla"... just passing the time!....

The packaging....

....I believe that the discs will be presented ala DaP with a hard foam laser cut "case" with slots ala a firearm case or something to hold a collection of Toy Story dolls ala Toy Story 2. Or they might be presented with a May '77 setup. Who knows? No Road Trips please!!....

Only 22 boxes left

They have been going fast this week end. Should be sold out tomorrow or Tuesday at the latest. I guess we will not see the inside of the box until the postman delivers it in 3 weeks. Can't wait. Rock on

Moses Quasar

Don't skip 7-28-82. A fantastic show, not officially released but great nonetheless. A fantastic TLEO. A top choice for release if you asked me. Funny, I haven't really latched on the other Red Rocks '82 shows yet, but this one has always been a favorite since I've been listening on tapes. Gotta get to those other ones myself just to hear if they capture the magic...

220 left

220 left - the 200 I ordered I've cancelled as didn't think I'd make enough profit back... Just kidding....but I might have a spare (through mis-ordering) taking offers over $1500 in 6 months lol Now where's the goddamn pictures of the inside!!

Jed

Our friend from Tennessee doesn't need me to defend him, BUT I'll say there is a place in that one for Jerry to soar. It's in the instrumental bridge part, where he often starts off with a carnival theme and often ends somewhere I could not have predicted. Not all of them achieve lift off, but many of them do. The repetition of the verse licks can be a little tedious if you're not in the mood for it. But that song would be far from making my list of "wish they never wrote it". That honor would go to LLR for me, at least in terms of songs from early on.

Countdown

17 days until the ELEPHANTINE box ships.

One Man - LLR

I would agree that LLR can often be, um, pedestrian. But, I still remember being in the car as a teenager in 1979 sometime hearing that tune for the first time on a tape when my brother mentioned "doesn't Jerry's playing there sound just like rain pitter pattering deliciously over your mind?" Wish I could remember what tape it was. A Tempe tape, maybe. Anyway, since then I've heard a few versions where they blow the roof off bringing that tune to its end. Now, El Paso - maybe some of those early ones could get creative, but it never did much for any of the shows I was at. I would put it on my list before LLR. Did someone already put Day Job on the list??

11 boxes left now

It is only a few hours now until "Sold Out" gets posted Rock on

10 it's raining looks like rain

One of my fav's. I've ALWAYS thought 4/16/83 was the best one ever done. You want rain on the roof,,, this is the one. https://archive.org/details/gd83-04-16.sbd.miller.28294.sbeok.flacf I had a shit tape for years, was so happy when I found a soundboard by Charlie.

it's raining looks like rain

Only 8 left

Get 'em while their hot!!!!

Down to 5

5 left!!

4

3

2 2 - oops

Back to 3

3 again

2 oh, to have disposable income

i'd grab this sumbitch

Fillmore 1966.07.03

Slight change of subject from the countdown... I have deadbase 50 and have been wasting lots of time with it. I looked up the Fillmore 1966.07.03 show from this box and on Deadbase XI it has a setlist that matches a copy of this show that I have (I only have the first half). The additions to the Setlist on the deadbase 50 section changes "He was a Friend of Mine" to "Just a Hand to Hold." The copy of the show I have looks like only the first disc, so I'm missing the end of the show... however, it does have "he was a friend of mine" although, it almost sounds like it was from a different show... there is dead space at the end of the track and the sound quality of this song doesn't match the rest. Does anyone else have a copy of this show and have the same experience? Also, what is "just a hand to hold..." Never heard it. just killing time waiting for the big box...

Can't wait .. Hurry up

I am thrilled I got my box set , wish my father were still with us to enjoy it, he took me to my 1st dead show at 10. What a long strange trip it's been

gone

Finally. At least now those that can't afford it can lose the temptation. I am relieved

SOLD OUT

Okay let's start shipping!!!!

Hooray!

I couldn't agree with you more. I feel relief that it's finally sold out. I have known since the day it was announced I would not be able to get it and now I can finally stop scheming and dreaming of ways to make it happen. Should I just open up a credit card my wife doesn't know about and get it? Is this worth getting a divorce over? Ha! Congrats to all those that will have this treasure trove coming their way in mere days! Enjoy! I will get the 4 Disc compilation and be happy to have it.

Unbelievable

Already on eBay, COMPLETE box for $1,195.00, FREE shipping, 10 watching per hour, it doesn't take long, does it?

Now that it's sold out...

I'm getting worried that my order accidentally got canceled... Just paranoia...

Accidental Cancellation

Same thing here Dusty.rambler. I went through and double checked my order when there was about 10 left.

Now that it's sold out...

How about a little more info on the box, if we can't get any pictures? Who did the artwork? Are all the CD covers by the same artist? Are they digipacks, sleeves, those DVD sized things from the 1977 box or something new and even more difficult to be put a shelf with the other CDs? Is the box number going to be on the single? What is the "box" constructed with? Does it really contain a scale version of the cardboard cut out that was inducted into the R&R Hall of fame? Does it ship on the 18th or is that the day it is scheduled to arrive?

Artwork for CD cases

I think it would be really cool if the artwork for each show was a reproduction of the poster or flyer for each event. I've done this for my catalog of shows and always think that the artwork of the show helps me feel the vibe for the show better. New original art would be cool, but as this box documents the Dead's journey through time, I think artwork from the time of the show would be cool.

ebay

I wouldn't be surprised to see these (complete sets, not broken up) going upwards of $2000 or even more in second hand markets after they start shipping. An investors wet dream if you are one of "those" types of people, and with lots 'o money. Myself, it's all about the music and my personal enjoyment of listening to it, which to me is priceless with no monetary value. I see investors and salesmen as those with no real emotional attachment to the product. Just the money they can squeeze out of it...not that there's anything wrong with that.

Re: Artwork for CD cases

Yes that would be cool to have the actual poster art as part of the cover. The later tours didn't have many show specific posters, but they always had a nice tour poster with contemporary poster artists that were worth grabbing.

re: ebay

I guess having bought one I'm an investor, so with that in mind I hope many people sell individual shows from their boxes, for insane amounts of money.This will make my still complete set a better investment, that pays dividends every time I look at, play with or listen to it's contents. I wonder if it'll fit in my safe deposit box?

Hey Spacebro

Nice Seinfeld drop at the end!

Still sold out

They didn't "have a few more left" this time (like DaP 15). I'm imaging if orders are canceled they will not offer them back for sale until everyone who ordered got one. This would give them spares for damaged products or dropped orders from their site crash when this thing first went up.

wow.

speechless and grateful. faith in the human race restored... email box full, and one amazing friend on the eastern seaboard. it's why my musical life revolves around this band alone.

30 Trips physical is a done deal.....

....looks like Rhino's abacus was calibrated just right.... ....congrats Brian. I thought I saw your finger up in this Internet parking lot....you deserve it....

Cancelled order....

....just checked mine. Says backordered but not cancelled, so I think I'm good. Dead.net has not failed me yet....(crossing fingers and toes. Ouch.)

30 Trips Artwork

That question went unanswered..(at least when I asked it). I'm curious too, it can make the difference between something cool and something really special.

Re: 30 trips artwork

I really like the art work from May 77' and from Spring 90 Too, however those were 5 and 8 shows respectively. The art for this 30 year box will hopefully be more diverse. I think both of the previously mentioned boxes really fit the time... How are they going to capture art from a 30 year span. This mystery makes me giddy just thinking about it, and now that we are so close to delivery, I say DONT give us a preview of the art. I can wait 3 weeks for a surprise!

Comments on this page are no longer accessible from main page

Was on main page and clicked the link to boxset and got everything on this page except the comments - waz up wit dat? Before this page goes away I am interested in a show by show discussion that someone mentioned earlier. Is this something Mary can pass on to the webmasters? I am planning to in sequential order from the start. Now that it's sold out, break out the videos discussing the shows please!!! Dave vs Wild! With special guest appearance by Bear Grylls showing Dave how to ride a whale with just a few of his bumperstickers and a 50th totebag.

Show discussion forum

I brought this up a while ago and saw some interest. Would live to see that here or created elsewhere. I think it would be cool if 30 threads were available at all times so anyone could discuss the show they were listening to. I looked into creating a free forum and it's possible, but I don't have the time right now to invest (planning my wedding). If dead.net can't create this for us, can someone else take the lead here and find the right forum? Steve-something.tv was mentioned. I checked it out and was unimpressed as any topic can be created so it would be hard to find the various threads, but I'll go where the discussion is.

Dusty.rambler

A suggestion to go here: http://www.dead.net/shows-by-yearI'll meet you there. That section of the site is begging for traffic.

Now the BIG ? IS.....

Now that GARGANTUA has finally...SOLD OUT, will TPTB at least think about releasing each show individually, a la, E72 TCR, or is the consensus here on this forum is that's not going to happen? And while I'm at it why not a "sneak" peak at what's inside, inquiring minds (at least mine) would like to know what my $699.98+ TAX gets me.

boblopes...

It seems the message board part is tied to the BOX SET.Because it's sold out, when you click the main page link, it brings you to the USB purchase page. No msg board. So go to store>Music. Click 30 trips box set. here you are.

Shows by year

Thanks Wilfred. This section was recommended a while back, but the page wasn't working. I'd gladly use this space if it is operational!

50th anniversary box set

Now that it's sold out maybe they can start shipping it tomorrow? I can't believe there's still people that don't know what on this...it's 30 shows complete and they're 1 show from each year...they have the show and track list...let's put this way you'll be busy for at least a year listening to the 30 shows on top of the shows you have already...I assume 99% of the people who get Dave's picks got this one too...i'm kind of uneasy about the price but who can say it's cool I can pay 700$ with no problem it won't set me back much...a few lawyers and doctors maybe...but i'll be entertained for at least a year so it's worth it I guess...worth it where I couldn't pass it by either.

yeah

It works, I check it every day. And, I think I'm the one that recommended it. Great reads, and you'll find mvp's everywhere (most valuable posters: e.g. 'hockey john') Good luck with your wedding planning. So glad I eloped!

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