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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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October 4, 2015 - 8:32am

#3601

Born Cross Eye…

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2/21/95

I used to have this show on cd-r and the source, a soundboard, was good but not remarkable. The music was good, and probably one of the few whole shows of 1995 I really like. I recently streamed the remastered recording that's included in this box and WOW! this show really came alive. Looking forward to when I receive this box.It's my opinion that shipping notices emails may be sent out as early as Monday, October 5th. I have no idea when late will be, but somewhere, somehow, somebody and probably quite a few people will get this big parcel before they they get that shipping notice email. And that too is a bit of humor.
October 4, 2015 - 8:28am

#3602

dallanW

Joined:
January 1, 2011

Corrupted file

That is about my experience. Out of around 400 tracks two have been corrupted. The only real issue I had was that for the first time it happened (a a year or two back) they brushed me off and I still have an audience version inserted into that show where it gets to that track. I'm happy just to have a download option actually but gets a little hard listening to a new show and getting screeching static and skipping in our ear out of the blue. Either way enjoying most of it. However if it happens on the USB I may feel differently
October 4, 2015 - 8:21am

#3603

Nanno-1974

Joined:
March 31, 2014

1977

Thanks to those who entered the discussion regarding 1977 GD. There have been some good comments posted, which I generally agree with. The issue ultimately comes down to personal preference, and I certainly ain't going to mess with trying to influence the personal preference of anyone. I completely respect those that love 1977 GD, or any performing year for that matter. I agree, it is difficult to compare 1972-GD with 1977-GD, as these two eras are different on so many levels. The spacey improvisation (i.e. 1972-1974) I crave on a daily basis is simply not available in 1977 GD, therefore I haven't turned-on a show from 1977 (or 1976-1978) for quite some time. I know that a lot of Deadheads get off on 1977 GD, which is a wonderful thing. I love all eras of GD, but my personal addiction is the pre-hiatus sound, particularly the 1972-1974 era. I believe this era captures everything that the band is about. The degree of tightness in 1977 is very impressive, and I enjoy the sound of the era, but I usually require more adventure and space. Thank you especially for not making this a personal debate. The civil replies are very much appreciated. Please continue to comment, if so inclined. Perhaps I should turn on a show from May 1977... Thanks again.
October 4, 2015 - 8:14am

#3604

Born Cross Eye…

Joined:
August 25, 2008

My credit card expiration date

The credit card I use the most for online purchases expired September 2015, so I used another one for buying of this box. It expires April 2020, 4/20. If you see the humor here, that's good. If not, sorry too bad that you don't get the joke.
October 4, 2015 - 6:06am

#3605

simonrob

Joined:
June 7, 2007

Confused - Mojobrojo...

I am having difficulty understanding your recent post. In one sentence you say (quite correctly) that you thought it was supposed to be all about the music, but in the next sentence you suggest that it is really all about the number of bits per dollar, that 24 bits resolution rather than 16 bits resolution is a better deal. Indeed at 24 bits you get 50% more bits for your money, but really it is all about the music not the number of bits. Have you possibly been persuaded by the arguments that the number of bits and the frequency (96kHz/24-bit vs. 44.1kHz/16-bit) results in a higher quality listening experience?
October 4, 2015 - 5:58am

#3606

wjonjd

Joined:
January 24, 2011

1977

My opinion is that no, 1977 is not overrated; 1972 and 1977 are my two favorite years. It is true that they no longer reached the kinds of deep space after the hiatus that they had previously, and I won't argue that it was or was not because of the return of Mickey, because I don't know. However, I will point out that they DID reach very psychedelic deep space from 67 thru early 71. They had both drummers during all those years. Think Dark Star in 1969 and 1970, and many, many, other examples. Yes, these deep spaces were different than than later in '71, 72, 73, and 74, but wouldn't that be expected anyway? Unlike the two deviled beast prior to 2/71, the two deviled beast from 1976 onward either didn't, or could no longer, reach those same deep psychedelic spaces. I'm using psychedelic not in the sense the media does, but in the sense I think deadheads will understand - the kind of jams that just take your mind OUT there. However, before 2/71 they also had lots and lots of jamming of a different kinds. Think how they could jam for half an hour on Lovelight, blues based jamming that could get plenty weird, but often wasn't weird, just prime examples of group musical conversation. Viola Lee Blues is another example. Although The Other One frequently went into deep space, it just as often went into more structured jams, where they tore into it as a group mind. Well, I would say that 1977 was one of their ultimate peaks. Nanno, you refer to the "professionalism" of their sound, but I would say that many (most?) heads that revere 77 do so because of the outrageous emotional power they brought in 77. They were frequently having whole group mind "musical conversations" of an intensity unparalleled. These group excursions were no less group excursions just because they didn't go into deep psychedelic spaces. The jams in Mississippi, Sugaree, Let It Grow, The Other One, Truckin', Not Fade Away, Dew, Dancin' In The Street, Franklin's Tower, Scarlet-Fire, Playin', not to mention the ballads, had an emotional power that were psychic nuclear bombs, and group improvisation at its finest. Many feel their ability to reach the most emotionally intense musical peaks on a consistent basis reached its apex in 1977. I think that the 72-74 has my favorite deep space moments. 77 has my favorite emotionally powerful group playing. I'm thrilled I have both (and all the other years, too!) So, no, I don't think 77 is overrated. It's revered for different reasons than 72-74, but those reasons are still quintessentially Dead.
October 4, 2015 - 5:56am

#3607

mbarilla

Joined:
August 8, 2013

1972-74 vs 1977 nearly worlds apart, both nearly equal beasts

In the Europe 72 tour, Keith is a fairly new to the band,, but "Old Piano" player as joked during one of the AOM March 72' shows.. The Drugs consumed were different,, I'm guessing more LSD was dropped during 1972-74.. Compared to the thrill of new drugs encountered in 1976-77,, 72-74, The band was with 1 drummer, new songs emerge and for some part ,, was dropping some songs like Alligator,, maybe Keith didn't sound right on that one,, always wondered why that was dropped, even when Pigpen was still with them, the AOM or Europe 72 not played.. The tunes developed through time and some got stronger,, some weaker. Check out a "Tennessee Jed" from multiple eras,, 1971 maybe (Dave's Picks 3 = 10.22.71) , then a version from Europe 72,, then go to Wall of Sound maybe,, even use(Dave's Picks 9 - 5.14.74) Tennessee Jed.. and then compare to May 77 version and final stop is Spring 1978 at 5.17.78..
October 4, 2015 - 5:29am

#3608

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Blanton's and Hot Bird Songs?

I'm in. I just need to call in sick for work tomorrow in advance. I don't reach for bourbon often, but Blanton's is just about my favorite.
October 4, 2015 - 5:12am

#3609

mojobrojo

Joined:
November 29, 2013

STILL some of the USB Sets available-- weird!

The Hardbound Book and the Scroll and the golden 45 all seem like pretty cool extras but I thought it was supposed to be all about The Music! Besides taking up an inordinate amount of shelf space, why would ANYONE pay the same money for 44.1khz / 16-bit recordings of these 30 Shows when you could have 96kHz / 24-bit recordings for the same price? Nutty! I'm bummed that I have to wait a little longer for my USB version but it's gonna be GREAT when it finally arrives! And for the Folks who only bought this Set strictly as a Collector's Item, the run of 1000 USB Lightning Bolts are gonna be a lot rarer than the 5000 CD versions will ever be.....
October 4, 2015 - 2:25am

#3610

Alain

Joined:
June 8, 2007

@ Nanno-1974

I feel things like you. I think it's the return of the second drummer who made the big difference between the freedom of improvisation before the hiatus (freedom which allowed the music often explore unknown territories and galaxies) and jams more orderly and wiser from 1976.The debate is as old as the Grateful Dead are. Personally, I do not judge, I like the Grateful Dead in all its aspects. But my heart and my mind go first to the period before 1975. And when the GD had only one drummer, music seems to have breathed me more fully, more freely, more boldly. All this is of course personal taste.

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

24 Box Sets Left

I hope there isn't going to be too many people regretting not buying. I want to see the inside of this box, how the CD's are packed and pictures of the book really bad.

O.K....

Gearing up some shows waiting for this box...daves 8, dicks 13, and dicks 32 which are shows all around shows in "Boxzilla"... just passing the time!....

The packaging....

....I believe that the discs will be presented ala DaP with a hard foam laser cut "case" with slots ala a firearm case or something to hold a collection of Toy Story dolls ala Toy Story 2. Or they might be presented with a May '77 setup. Who knows? No Road Trips please!!....

Only 22 boxes left

They have been going fast this week end. Should be sold out tomorrow or Tuesday at the latest. I guess we will not see the inside of the box until the postman delivers it in 3 weeks. Can't wait. Rock on

Moses Quasar

Don't skip 7-28-82. A fantastic show, not officially released but great nonetheless. A fantastic TLEO. A top choice for release if you asked me. Funny, I haven't really latched on the other Red Rocks '82 shows yet, but this one has always been a favorite since I've been listening on tapes. Gotta get to those other ones myself just to hear if they capture the magic...

220 left

220 left - the 200 I ordered I've cancelled as didn't think I'd make enough profit back... Just kidding....but I might have a spare (through mis-ordering) taking offers over $1500 in 6 months lol Now where's the goddamn pictures of the inside!!

Jed

Our friend from Tennessee doesn't need me to defend him, BUT I'll say there is a place in that one for Jerry to soar. It's in the instrumental bridge part, where he often starts off with a carnival theme and often ends somewhere I could not have predicted. Not all of them achieve lift off, but many of them do. The repetition of the verse licks can be a little tedious if you're not in the mood for it. But that song would be far from making my list of "wish they never wrote it". That honor would go to LLR for me, at least in terms of songs from early on.

Countdown

17 days until the ELEPHANTINE box ships.

One Man - LLR

I would agree that LLR can often be, um, pedestrian. But, I still remember being in the car as a teenager in 1979 sometime hearing that tune for the first time on a tape when my brother mentioned "doesn't Jerry's playing there sound just like rain pitter pattering deliciously over your mind?" Wish I could remember what tape it was. A Tempe tape, maybe. Anyway, since then I've heard a few versions where they blow the roof off bringing that tune to its end. Now, El Paso - maybe some of those early ones could get creative, but it never did much for any of the shows I was at. I would put it on my list before LLR. Did someone already put Day Job on the list??

11 boxes left now

It is only a few hours now until "Sold Out" gets posted Rock on

10 it's raining looks like rain

One of my fav's. I've ALWAYS thought 4/16/83 was the best one ever done. You want rain on the roof,,, this is the one. https://archive.org/details/gd83-04-16.sbd.miller.28294.sbeok.flacf I had a shit tape for years, was so happy when I found a soundboard by Charlie.

it's raining looks like rain

Only 8 left

Get 'em while their hot!!!!

Down to 5

5 left!!

4

3

2 2 - oops

Back to 3

3 again

2 oh, to have disposable income

i'd grab this sumbitch

Fillmore 1966.07.03

Slight change of subject from the countdown... I have deadbase 50 and have been wasting lots of time with it. I looked up the Fillmore 1966.07.03 show from this box and on Deadbase XI it has a setlist that matches a copy of this show that I have (I only have the first half). The additions to the Setlist on the deadbase 50 section changes "He was a Friend of Mine" to "Just a Hand to Hold." The copy of the show I have looks like only the first disc, so I'm missing the end of the show... however, it does have "he was a friend of mine" although, it almost sounds like it was from a different show... there is dead space at the end of the track and the sound quality of this song doesn't match the rest. Does anyone else have a copy of this show and have the same experience? Also, what is "just a hand to hold..." Never heard it. just killing time waiting for the big box...

Can't wait .. Hurry up

I am thrilled I got my box set , wish my father were still with us to enjoy it, he took me to my 1st dead show at 10. What a long strange trip it's been

gone

Finally. At least now those that can't afford it can lose the temptation. I am relieved

SOLD OUT

Okay let's start shipping!!!!

Hooray!

I couldn't agree with you more. I feel relief that it's finally sold out. I have known since the day it was announced I would not be able to get it and now I can finally stop scheming and dreaming of ways to make it happen. Should I just open up a credit card my wife doesn't know about and get it? Is this worth getting a divorce over? Ha! Congrats to all those that will have this treasure trove coming their way in mere days! Enjoy! I will get the 4 Disc compilation and be happy to have it.

Unbelievable

Already on eBay, COMPLETE box for $1,195.00, FREE shipping, 10 watching per hour, it doesn't take long, does it?

Now that it's sold out...

I'm getting worried that my order accidentally got canceled... Just paranoia...

Accidental Cancellation

Same thing here Dusty.rambler. I went through and double checked my order when there was about 10 left.

Now that it's sold out...

How about a little more info on the box, if we can't get any pictures? Who did the artwork? Are all the CD covers by the same artist? Are they digipacks, sleeves, those DVD sized things from the 1977 box or something new and even more difficult to be put a shelf with the other CDs? Is the box number going to be on the single? What is the "box" constructed with? Does it really contain a scale version of the cardboard cut out that was inducted into the R&R Hall of fame? Does it ship on the 18th or is that the day it is scheduled to arrive?

Artwork for CD cases

I think it would be really cool if the artwork for each show was a reproduction of the poster or flyer for each event. I've done this for my catalog of shows and always think that the artwork of the show helps me feel the vibe for the show better. New original art would be cool, but as this box documents the Dead's journey through time, I think artwork from the time of the show would be cool.

ebay

I wouldn't be surprised to see these (complete sets, not broken up) going upwards of $2000 or even more in second hand markets after they start shipping. An investors wet dream if you are one of "those" types of people, and with lots 'o money. Myself, it's all about the music and my personal enjoyment of listening to it, which to me is priceless with no monetary value. I see investors and salesmen as those with no real emotional attachment to the product. Just the money they can squeeze out of it...not that there's anything wrong with that.

Re: Artwork for CD cases

Yes that would be cool to have the actual poster art as part of the cover. The later tours didn't have many show specific posters, but they always had a nice tour poster with contemporary poster artists that were worth grabbing.

re: ebay

I guess having bought one I'm an investor, so with that in mind I hope many people sell individual shows from their boxes, for insane amounts of money.This will make my still complete set a better investment, that pays dividends every time I look at, play with or listen to it's contents. I wonder if it'll fit in my safe deposit box?

Hey Spacebro

Nice Seinfeld drop at the end!

Still sold out

They didn't "have a few more left" this time (like DaP 15). I'm imaging if orders are canceled they will not offer them back for sale until everyone who ordered got one. This would give them spares for damaged products or dropped orders from their site crash when this thing first went up.

wow.

speechless and grateful. faith in the human race restored... email box full, and one amazing friend on the eastern seaboard. it's why my musical life revolves around this band alone.

30 Trips physical is a done deal.....

....looks like Rhino's abacus was calibrated just right.... ....congrats Brian. I thought I saw your finger up in this Internet parking lot....you deserve it....

Cancelled order....

....just checked mine. Says backordered but not cancelled, so I think I'm good. Dead.net has not failed me yet....(crossing fingers and toes. Ouch.)

30 Trips Artwork

That question went unanswered..(at least when I asked it). I'm curious too, it can make the difference between something cool and something really special.

Re: 30 trips artwork

I really like the art work from May 77' and from Spring 90 Too, however those were 5 and 8 shows respectively. The art for this 30 year box will hopefully be more diverse. I think both of the previously mentioned boxes really fit the time... How are they going to capture art from a 30 year span. This mystery makes me giddy just thinking about it, and now that we are so close to delivery, I say DONT give us a preview of the art. I can wait 3 weeks for a surprise!

Comments on this page are no longer accessible from main page

Was on main page and clicked the link to boxset and got everything on this page except the comments - waz up wit dat? Before this page goes away I am interested in a show by show discussion that someone mentioned earlier. Is this something Mary can pass on to the webmasters? I am planning to in sequential order from the start. Now that it's sold out, break out the videos discussing the shows please!!! Dave vs Wild! With special guest appearance by Bear Grylls showing Dave how to ride a whale with just a few of his bumperstickers and a 50th totebag.

Show discussion forum

I brought this up a while ago and saw some interest. Would live to see that here or created elsewhere. I think it would be cool if 30 threads were available at all times so anyone could discuss the show they were listening to. I looked into creating a free forum and it's possible, but I don't have the time right now to invest (planning my wedding). If dead.net can't create this for us, can someone else take the lead here and find the right forum? Steve-something.tv was mentioned. I checked it out and was unimpressed as any topic can be created so it would be hard to find the various threads, but I'll go where the discussion is.

Dusty.rambler

A suggestion to go here: http://www.dead.net/shows-by-yearI'll meet you there. That section of the site is begging for traffic.

Now the BIG ? IS.....

Now that GARGANTUA has finally...SOLD OUT, will TPTB at least think about releasing each show individually, a la, E72 TCR, or is the consensus here on this forum is that's not going to happen? And while I'm at it why not a "sneak" peak at what's inside, inquiring minds (at least mine) would like to know what my $699.98+ TAX gets me.

boblopes...

It seems the message board part is tied to the BOX SET.Because it's sold out, when you click the main page link, it brings you to the USB purchase page. No msg board. So go to store>Music. Click 30 trips box set. here you are.

Shows by year

Thanks Wilfred. This section was recommended a while back, but the page wasn't working. I'd gladly use this space if it is operational!

50th anniversary box set

Now that it's sold out maybe they can start shipping it tomorrow? I can't believe there's still people that don't know what on this...it's 30 shows complete and they're 1 show from each year...they have the show and track list...let's put this way you'll be busy for at least a year listening to the 30 shows on top of the shows you have already...I assume 99% of the people who get Dave's picks got this one too...i'm kind of uneasy about the price but who can say it's cool I can pay 700$ with no problem it won't set me back much...a few lawyers and doctors maybe...but i'll be entertained for at least a year so it's worth it I guess...worth it where I couldn't pass it by either.

yeah

It works, I check it every day. And, I think I'm the one that recommended it. Great reads, and you'll find mvp's everywhere (most valuable posters: e.g. 'hockey john') Good luck with your wedding planning. So glad I eloped!

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