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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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June 5, 2015 - 6:51am

#7191

KYTrips

Joined:
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E72

I've heard a lot of people on here lament the fact that they don't have the cash to buy this new box set. I totally get it... It's a LOT of money. Fortunately, I can afford it, but I even paused to drop $700+ (w/ tax) for this. Don't get me wrong, I think it's totally worth it. I just don't spend that kind of money on much of anything. I've seen at least one person on here reference possibly selling the Europe '72 box set in order to be able to afford this new one. I'm just putting it out there... If there's anyone interested in selling their E72 set, I'm interested. However, it would have to be in very good shape, and include all of the stuff that came in the original package. I'm most interested in the music, but I also like the bells and whistles (plus I think the steamer trunk case is awesome... LOL). I'm not interested in the all-music edition. Heck, I can buy that here (and I still might resort to that). I'm also not interested in paying "Ebay prices." I think you all know what that means. Anyway... I hope all of those that want this new box set come into some surprise cash so you all can afford it. It's a shame that they can't just give it away, but the world doesn't work like that much anymore. At the end of the day, it's a business, first and foremost.
June 5, 2015 - 6:38am

#7192

kirkmc

Joined:
June 4, 2007

Wow, you check all the boxes

Wow, you check all the boxes there. "trying to limit supply, save on production cost while driving up retail prices, and stiffing long time fans?" You don't have to buy them. And, yes, they do have to make a profit. "The 5 shows are impossible to get tickets for and the websites are raping people with horrendous scalp prices." You don't have to go to the concerts. "Lastly, these staggered releases of limited edition box sets or shows is a gimmick to garner early-bird sales -- one of the oldest marketing strategies around." The limited edition is probably because pressing and packing costs make it unfeasible to do a lot of small runs; they save a lot per unit by doing one big run. As for staggering releases, I'm not sure what you mean. You want all the Dave's Picks for a year to drop at the same time, like TV series on Netflix?
June 5, 2015 - 6:35am

#7193

kirkmc

Joined:
June 4, 2007

Tree rings

Think of this box set as tree rings; you look at the tree, and examine each ring to see what happened during a given year.
June 5, 2015 - 6:26am

#7194

wissinomingdeadhead

Joined:
December 17, 2011

@brianhahne

Check your PM, Peace
June 5, 2015 - 6:06am

#7195

MinasMorgul

Joined:
February 4, 2015

petalumaotis

I understand your frustration, but if you think about it, Rhino does not have anything to do with ticket prices, and the Grateful Dead already acknowledged and apologized for the ticket situation, which is part of the reason they added 2 more shows. That covers that. As far as the box set situation, what would you have Rhino do? Lose money? Then no music gets released ever. They are doing what they need to do to make as much money as possible, it's a business. That's never going to change. Heck, I wish they had broken this box set up into two volumes, so that I wouldn't be stuck with a dozen shows featuring Brend Midland, who consistently stinks the place out with his off-key, gravelly vocals, and Play-School piano/keyboard sound effects; but I know they're a business, and they don't want a warehouse full of shows that the market doesn't want as much, so they slap it all together, knowing that they will sell out this way anyway, and that the profit is made. Read Jim In MD's comment #92; he does a great job describing the reason for the business model they've employed. I don't think they're gouging fans at all. The cost of the CDs per unit is standard. And why not put on a couple of shows to celebrate a-momentous-o-ccaision! (Dan Akroyd Closing of Winterland intro). I think you need to rethink things a little bit. It sounds like you're lashing out in anger, perhaps indignant of the high cost, perhaps a little envious of the Grateful Dead themselves, and their Hawaiian homes. The prescription? - put on Disc 3 from 5/25/72 and reconnect with the soothing sounds of the 70s... jayclark - I hear you man, I would only buy '66-'78 if you could buy them individually. But I understand the reason they don't - more profit doing it the way they're doing it. And I shouldn't be so pessimistic - there IS a rhyme and reason here - it's the anniversary year, and a show from each year is a logical way to produce a box set. I mean, can you imagine if they only did '66-'78? The problem is that these bears did it for thirty years....
June 5, 2015 - 6:06am

#7196

rrot

Joined:
October 3, 2009

E72 was a microscope

E72 was a microscope, a detailed view of one tour. Though by itself E72 tells us nothing about the huge issues of what came before and what was to happen later, any serious study of the Grateful Dead would want to use that tool to investigate the band as it negotiated a significant phase of its development. To date, there's been no equivalent tool to investigate the development of the band over its entire career. Now there is one. Not a microscope this time. Something more like a series of core samples, perhaps. A small group of respected scientists have drilled into the geologic record left by the band, bring us perfectly preserved samples taken periodically throught their career. It could be claimed that this box isn't "necessary." Some academics have even asserted that the need for 30Trips is "manufactured" -- it's merely an artifact of marketing. That's true, of course, but it was just as true for the 73 discs of Europe '72. If there is indeed nothing "new" to be found in the 4/25/77 Passaic show (a debatable proposition), that argument cuts against Wigan, 5/7/1972 as well. We don't "need" either one. Or so some academics might say. But we have them. As tools for study of this band (does the Grateful Dead merit serious study?), each set has drawbacks as well as merits. The merit of the new set lies precisely in its broad overview. Every important configuration of the band is present. As with E72, we could have wished for more, certainly. There, as was noted by many at the time, visual documentation could have been provided. Here, we might reasonably ask for a show from each tour, rather than simply one from each year. But the realities of the marketplace are inexorable. So this is what we have. Would one recommend 30Trips to a student, to a person seeking to understand what this band was, what they did, how they changed, and stayed the same? Yes. I don't see why not. If I were a librarian, I would insist on acquring this set. The accompanying texts by Meriwether and Jarnow have the potential to open many areas of discussion. Those cats have got some serious academic chops as well as a demonstrated depth of knowledge about the band. I personally can't wait to see what they've contributed. I said above that there was no such tool before this set. That was false, of course. A mere conceit. We have archive.org. Anyone making an academic investigation into the Grateful Dead has already had, for quite some time, an unparalleled tool for research. There is really very little that the market can add to our understanding at this point. But not nothing. McLuhan has been invoked below, and we can take him seriously rather than letting his words simply wash over us. The medium IS the message. What this box set is telling us is that the age of the commodity is not yet over. Despite the instant availability of Grateful Dead music from every era, at no financial cost to the listener, thousands will still demand physical objects for their own possession. Indeed, we will use the very internet that delivers free Grateful Dead music to us to demand that we be allowed to pay for it! And that's a fine discussion to have, too.
June 5, 2015 - 5:47am

#7197

petalumaotis

Joined:
June 29, 2013

Right on!

And they already have the capability to stream shows over dead.net. Why are they gouging the fans? How many homes must they own in Hawaii or how much dough to you have to leave your kids or entourage when you kick?. No tot be a skeptic or morbid but The Grateful Dead stopped existing 20 years ago and now we have the Dead just making money and putting on mediocre shows with various artists.
June 5, 2015 - 5:39am

#7198

petalumaotis

Joined:
June 29, 2013

What is going on?

Why is the Dead -- Warner/Ryno -- trying to limit supply, save on production cost while driving up retail prices, and stiffing long time fans? The 5 shows are impossible to get tickets for and the websites are raping people with horrendous scalp prices. Lastly, these staggered releases of limited edition box sets or shows is a gimmick to garner early-bird sales -- one of the oldest marketing strategies around. Would you guys have treated your fans this way 20 years ago. JerBear is rolling over in his grave. Shameful.
June 5, 2015 - 5:38am

#7199

jayclark

Joined:
November 24, 2011

Individual Shows

I wish they would just catalog the shows and allow you to purchase just the ones you want. Why package them together and put such a big price tag on the set. It seems to me that most deadheads like certain eras of the bands sound. It would be nice to log on pull up a list of all the available shows and simply purchase the ones that are of interest to you.
June 5, 2015 - 5:27am

#7200

kirkmc

Joined:
June 4, 2007

It's definitely not sold

It's definitely not sold out...

John Perry Barlow

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

24 Box Sets Left

I hope there isn't going to be too many people regretting not buying. I want to see the inside of this box, how the CD's are packed and pictures of the book really bad.

O.K....

Gearing up some shows waiting for this box...daves 8, dicks 13, and dicks 32 which are shows all around shows in "Boxzilla"... just passing the time!....

The packaging....

....I believe that the discs will be presented ala DaP with a hard foam laser cut "case" with slots ala a firearm case or something to hold a collection of Toy Story dolls ala Toy Story 2. Or they might be presented with a May '77 setup. Who knows? No Road Trips please!!....

Only 22 boxes left

They have been going fast this week end. Should be sold out tomorrow or Tuesday at the latest. I guess we will not see the inside of the box until the postman delivers it in 3 weeks. Can't wait. Rock on

Moses Quasar

Don't skip 7-28-82. A fantastic show, not officially released but great nonetheless. A fantastic TLEO. A top choice for release if you asked me. Funny, I haven't really latched on the other Red Rocks '82 shows yet, but this one has always been a favorite since I've been listening on tapes. Gotta get to those other ones myself just to hear if they capture the magic...

220 left

220 left - the 200 I ordered I've cancelled as didn't think I'd make enough profit back... Just kidding....but I might have a spare (through mis-ordering) taking offers over $1500 in 6 months lol Now where's the goddamn pictures of the inside!!

Jed

Our friend from Tennessee doesn't need me to defend him, BUT I'll say there is a place in that one for Jerry to soar. It's in the instrumental bridge part, where he often starts off with a carnival theme and often ends somewhere I could not have predicted. Not all of them achieve lift off, but many of them do. The repetition of the verse licks can be a little tedious if you're not in the mood for it. But that song would be far from making my list of "wish they never wrote it". That honor would go to LLR for me, at least in terms of songs from early on.

Countdown

17 days until the ELEPHANTINE box ships.

One Man - LLR

I would agree that LLR can often be, um, pedestrian. But, I still remember being in the car as a teenager in 1979 sometime hearing that tune for the first time on a tape when my brother mentioned "doesn't Jerry's playing there sound just like rain pitter pattering deliciously over your mind?" Wish I could remember what tape it was. A Tempe tape, maybe. Anyway, since then I've heard a few versions where they blow the roof off bringing that tune to its end. Now, El Paso - maybe some of those early ones could get creative, but it never did much for any of the shows I was at. I would put it on my list before LLR. Did someone already put Day Job on the list??

11 boxes left now

It is only a few hours now until "Sold Out" gets posted Rock on

10 it's raining looks like rain

One of my fav's. I've ALWAYS thought 4/16/83 was the best one ever done. You want rain on the roof,,, this is the one. https://archive.org/details/gd83-04-16.sbd.miller.28294.sbeok.flacf I had a shit tape for years, was so happy when I found a soundboard by Charlie.

it's raining looks like rain

Only 8 left

Get 'em while their hot!!!!

Down to 5

5 left!!

4

3

2 2 - oops

Back to 3

3 again

2 oh, to have disposable income

i'd grab this sumbitch

Fillmore 1966.07.03

Slight change of subject from the countdown... I have deadbase 50 and have been wasting lots of time with it. I looked up the Fillmore 1966.07.03 show from this box and on Deadbase XI it has a setlist that matches a copy of this show that I have (I only have the first half). The additions to the Setlist on the deadbase 50 section changes "He was a Friend of Mine" to "Just a Hand to Hold." The copy of the show I have looks like only the first disc, so I'm missing the end of the show... however, it does have "he was a friend of mine" although, it almost sounds like it was from a different show... there is dead space at the end of the track and the sound quality of this song doesn't match the rest. Does anyone else have a copy of this show and have the same experience? Also, what is "just a hand to hold..." Never heard it. just killing time waiting for the big box...

Can't wait .. Hurry up

I am thrilled I got my box set , wish my father were still with us to enjoy it, he took me to my 1st dead show at 10. What a long strange trip it's been

gone

Finally. At least now those that can't afford it can lose the temptation. I am relieved

SOLD OUT

Okay let's start shipping!!!!

Hooray!

I couldn't agree with you more. I feel relief that it's finally sold out. I have known since the day it was announced I would not be able to get it and now I can finally stop scheming and dreaming of ways to make it happen. Should I just open up a credit card my wife doesn't know about and get it? Is this worth getting a divorce over? Ha! Congrats to all those that will have this treasure trove coming their way in mere days! Enjoy! I will get the 4 Disc compilation and be happy to have it.

Unbelievable

Already on eBay, COMPLETE box for $1,195.00, FREE shipping, 10 watching per hour, it doesn't take long, does it?

Now that it's sold out...

I'm getting worried that my order accidentally got canceled... Just paranoia...

Accidental Cancellation

Same thing here Dusty.rambler. I went through and double checked my order when there was about 10 left.

Now that it's sold out...

How about a little more info on the box, if we can't get any pictures? Who did the artwork? Are all the CD covers by the same artist? Are they digipacks, sleeves, those DVD sized things from the 1977 box or something new and even more difficult to be put a shelf with the other CDs? Is the box number going to be on the single? What is the "box" constructed with? Does it really contain a scale version of the cardboard cut out that was inducted into the R&R Hall of fame? Does it ship on the 18th or is that the day it is scheduled to arrive?

Artwork for CD cases

I think it would be really cool if the artwork for each show was a reproduction of the poster or flyer for each event. I've done this for my catalog of shows and always think that the artwork of the show helps me feel the vibe for the show better. New original art would be cool, but as this box documents the Dead's journey through time, I think artwork from the time of the show would be cool.

ebay

I wouldn't be surprised to see these (complete sets, not broken up) going upwards of $2000 or even more in second hand markets after they start shipping. An investors wet dream if you are one of "those" types of people, and with lots 'o money. Myself, it's all about the music and my personal enjoyment of listening to it, which to me is priceless with no monetary value. I see investors and salesmen as those with no real emotional attachment to the product. Just the money they can squeeze out of it...not that there's anything wrong with that.

Re: Artwork for CD cases

Yes that would be cool to have the actual poster art as part of the cover. The later tours didn't have many show specific posters, but they always had a nice tour poster with contemporary poster artists that were worth grabbing.

re: ebay

I guess having bought one I'm an investor, so with that in mind I hope many people sell individual shows from their boxes, for insane amounts of money.This will make my still complete set a better investment, that pays dividends every time I look at, play with or listen to it's contents. I wonder if it'll fit in my safe deposit box?

Hey Spacebro

Nice Seinfeld drop at the end!

Still sold out

They didn't "have a few more left" this time (like DaP 15). I'm imaging if orders are canceled they will not offer them back for sale until everyone who ordered got one. This would give them spares for damaged products or dropped orders from their site crash when this thing first went up.

wow.

speechless and grateful. faith in the human race restored... email box full, and one amazing friend on the eastern seaboard. it's why my musical life revolves around this band alone.

30 Trips physical is a done deal.....

....looks like Rhino's abacus was calibrated just right.... ....congrats Brian. I thought I saw your finger up in this Internet parking lot....you deserve it....

Cancelled order....

....just checked mine. Says backordered but not cancelled, so I think I'm good. Dead.net has not failed me yet....(crossing fingers and toes. Ouch.)

30 Trips Artwork

That question went unanswered..(at least when I asked it). I'm curious too, it can make the difference between something cool and something really special.

Re: 30 trips artwork

I really like the art work from May 77' and from Spring 90 Too, however those were 5 and 8 shows respectively. The art for this 30 year box will hopefully be more diverse. I think both of the previously mentioned boxes really fit the time... How are they going to capture art from a 30 year span. This mystery makes me giddy just thinking about it, and now that we are so close to delivery, I say DONT give us a preview of the art. I can wait 3 weeks for a surprise!

Comments on this page are no longer accessible from main page

Was on main page and clicked the link to boxset and got everything on this page except the comments - waz up wit dat? Before this page goes away I am interested in a show by show discussion that someone mentioned earlier. Is this something Mary can pass on to the webmasters? I am planning to in sequential order from the start. Now that it's sold out, break out the videos discussing the shows please!!! Dave vs Wild! With special guest appearance by Bear Grylls showing Dave how to ride a whale with just a few of his bumperstickers and a 50th totebag.

Show discussion forum

I brought this up a while ago and saw some interest. Would live to see that here or created elsewhere. I think it would be cool if 30 threads were available at all times so anyone could discuss the show they were listening to. I looked into creating a free forum and it's possible, but I don't have the time right now to invest (planning my wedding). If dead.net can't create this for us, can someone else take the lead here and find the right forum? Steve-something.tv was mentioned. I checked it out and was unimpressed as any topic can be created so it would be hard to find the various threads, but I'll go where the discussion is.

Dusty.rambler

A suggestion to go here: http://www.dead.net/shows-by-yearI'll meet you there. That section of the site is begging for traffic.

Now the BIG ? IS.....

Now that GARGANTUA has finally...SOLD OUT, will TPTB at least think about releasing each show individually, a la, E72 TCR, or is the consensus here on this forum is that's not going to happen? And while I'm at it why not a "sneak" peak at what's inside, inquiring minds (at least mine) would like to know what my $699.98+ TAX gets me.

boblopes...

It seems the message board part is tied to the BOX SET.Because it's sold out, when you click the main page link, it brings you to the USB purchase page. No msg board. So go to store>Music. Click 30 trips box set. here you are.

Shows by year

Thanks Wilfred. This section was recommended a while back, but the page wasn't working. I'd gladly use this space if it is operational!

50th anniversary box set

Now that it's sold out maybe they can start shipping it tomorrow? I can't believe there's still people that don't know what on this...it's 30 shows complete and they're 1 show from each year...they have the show and track list...let's put this way you'll be busy for at least a year listening to the 30 shows on top of the shows you have already...I assume 99% of the people who get Dave's picks got this one too...i'm kind of uneasy about the price but who can say it's cool I can pay 700$ with no problem it won't set me back much...a few lawyers and doctors maybe...but i'll be entertained for at least a year so it's worth it I guess...worth it where I couldn't pass it by either.

yeah

It works, I check it every day. And, I think I'm the one that recommended it. Great reads, and you'll find mvp's everywhere (most valuable posters: e.g. 'hockey john') Good luck with your wedding planning. So glad I eloped!

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