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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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  • claney
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    From Uncut magazine: Heads up! Next month’s Uncut – on sale July 28 in the UK – comes with a FREE GRATEFUL DEAD CD: our historic attempt to piece together the album that should have followed “Workingman’s Dead” and “American Beauty”… Read more at http://www.uncut.co.uk/uncut-editors-diary/fare-thee-well-the-grateful-… ---- I am looking forward to this. Often wondered what that studio album would have looked like. Here is what I picture: SIDE ONE Bertha Ramble on Rose Mr. Charlie Tennessee Jed He's Gone SIDE TWO Jack Straw Chinatown Shuffle Brown Eyed Women The Stranger / Two Souls Wharf Rat
  • kaustin7
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    Agree with the comments about Red Rocks! I have been fortunate enough to see WSP play 24 shows there since 00. I am still glowing from the Fare Thee Well experience in Chicago! What a run, the atmosphere was nothing but amazing and positive. 70,000+ people just singing and dancing. Truly a memorable experience! Everyone I met at soldier field was super friendly and kind. Absolutely loved this past weekend!
  • Travis Loscher
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    Without a doubt the coolest venue I have been to .Saw the Allmans there in 96 and tentcamped about a mile away.Lightning over Denver most of the show was really cool.The other funny thing was the campground host looked like the prospector from Toy Story.Even funnier when he said if we were there to see Phish we could turnaround and stay somewhere else.He must have known something we didn't..I think it was soon after that they practically boarded up Morrison during their run
  • chilly1214
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    I lived outside of Boulder for 15 years and saw many an artist at Red Rocks. A most amazing venue!
  • Oroboros
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    Please, please all who read these words go to Red Rocks to see
    a band that you enjoy. It is a "peak experience" without equal. And brother Dedicated indeed reminded me of my maiden voyage in this fantastic venue 37 years ago yesterday evening. And then we came back to the 7/8/78 show to bask in the Grateful Dead's glow again. . The boys were in fine form!! I implore all who read this post or my account of those '78 Dead shows (see below), make plans in the future to head out to Denver, take someone you love, and visit Red Rocks to experience any music that you enjoy. It will be 'better'. Give your head/heart this gift. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
  • jrf68@hotmail.com
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    Oroboros is not kidding...
    My only Red Rocks show was Bunny Wailer opening for String Cheese years back.Great show and FANTASTIC venue! Go see someone you love at Red Rocks. You will not regret it. :) edit: For any WSP fans out there that haven't been,the joint's got flash-flood warning signs that read "Climb To Safety!"
  • Oroboros
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    I agree some 73 would be delightful and welcomed.
    I just got a prompt from a buddy reminding me of that summer of 1978, when the Dead first played at Red Rocks July 7 & 8, 1978. First the Dead actually circled back to play Nebraska. I know I have told this one before, but here it goes again. You know how us oldsters repeat ourselves all the time. At least that is what my kids tell me. They played the Omaha Civic Auditorium, where the Dead played once before in 1973.. We got there and the venue was half full (about 4,000) but everyone was chomping at the bit in anticipation to hear them live. I took my Nak 550 into the venue and there was no hassle getting the deck in this time, but remember these were the days before ‘tapers sections’. And each venue or even staff may present a different challenge. But not here, thank goodness. Out in the hallway, the Hell’s Angels wandered about sporting full colors and big grins. They may have been transporting ‘party favors’ and decided to take in a show. Or maybe the Angels were just road tripping with the band (although I didn't see them at the next few shows). My buddy even brought his 68 year old mother to the show. She sat up in the stands “It is just too loud down there!” Anyway, I headed down to the floor with my Nak 550 to set up in front of the soundboard. When I started to get my gear set up and saw this guy beside me with a great rig. Luckily this kind stranger (I have since discovered he was famous taper Bob Wagner) then let me patch out of the back of his deck, which was wonderful as he had a great 8 ft. tall mike stand set-up. He had a Sony deck and mics, but with that high stand his mic’s were well above the crowd noise. We were about 15 to 20 feet in FOB. So Garcia treated us to a blistering Sugaree opener, the kind that drove the crowd wild. His leads mounted into a wave that crests, recedes, regroups, and comes back rolling in with such power and delight that adds a synergistic effect to our frenzied response as his rolling/soaring guitar work lift and subside with that band. Then Beat In on Down the Line, TLEO and now it was Bob’s turn in the spotlight with a Look’s like Rain. About halfway through the song, I suddenly noticed something shimmering in the air between the band and me. I thought “what a fantastic light show! Or have I have shifted into fifth gear just a little early that I scheduled?” I staggered towards that disturbance in front of me to investigate. People were dancing wildly in the middle of the floor as a waterfall played over them. It was about 25 feet in circumference. I put my hand in, water…hand out, no rain..I am standing in front of an indoor waterfall. what to do? I jumped into pouring rain that was INSIDE the middle of the auditorium! Then I stepped back and was out of it. I shook my head and then lunged back into the deluge and danced through Looks Like Rain & then during Direwolf as well and a delightful All Over now. (Complete with Donna in perfect pitch!) Then Candyman and Lazy>Supplication before Bobby informed us “We’re going to take a short break”. I staggered back to reload a new tape and then I did look for some validation of my experience. And I asked my friends if I was not in fact ‘soaking wet’ as I patted my soaked shirt. They grinned knowingly and affirmed that, yes, in fact I was “all wet”. And then this unique show continued, (nice indoor water-feature, boys !) with a killer second set complete with a transportive Estimated> Eyes> drums> Wharf Rat> Truckin> Iko Iko> Around. And then after a lengthy absence from the stage the boys returned to play us ‘Promised Land” as an encore. As I left the auditorium I noticed the water standing on the ground outside, a summer storm? Was this a case of a leaky roof or didn't the Dead just conjure up the forces of nature as they were so prone to do? But back to the important stuff, what were the Dead going to do next? Would Phil rev up his reverse gravity machine and pummel us with Phil-bombs at the next show? Would they levitate the crowd, and have us all dance while floating in the 'cool Colorado range'? I HAD to follow them to those Red Rocks shows in 1978. So a road-trip to Colorado it was. This was the Dead’s first Red Rocks jaunt (and my first as well, although my girlfriend (now wife) had seen Joni Mitchell there previously and raved about the venue) so my anticipation was so ‘high’. (In many ways.) So I packed my taping and camping gear and off we went. When we walked up to the Rocks entrance, the Feyline security crew (or were they the John Scher guys?) were stopping people and inspecting any 'carry in' bags. I thought 'uh oh, this looks rougher than Omaha Nebraska'. A security behemoth that I will call “BigBoy’ stopped me at the entrance to look through my Boy Scout backpack. He hefted my NAK 550 out of the pack and held it aloft with one beefy paw, exclaiming “Hey, you can’t take this in!” I gave him my best perplexed look and said “What it’s just a tape player.” (first lie) Then the giant BigBoy instructs me to “take that back to your car”. I retorted “I can’t, I hitchhiked to the show” (second lie). Beefy Bruiser BigBoy points to my ticket and says “the ticket says no recorders on it, you can't take it in” and I tell him “look I don’t have any microphones” (third lie) and hold up my arms to be searched (of course my comrades had the mics with them). Then I sighed loudly and popped open the back of the Nak deck and let eight D cell batteries drop onto the ground. “Look, I dumped out the batteries, it can't record”. (lie number four) BigBoy stood there with his arms crossed in front of me, but I could see a small crack in his resolve. So I pulled that thread “Look, I hitchhiked all the way here from Nebraska to see this show, would you hold onto this deck for me? It cost me $600 (which in ’78 was a lot of dough) but if you just hold it for me, and then I will find you after the show. You look like an honest guy.” (fifth lie, this guy didn't look trustworthy). I push the Nak towards him, and this deck is huge and weighs a ton, (a goddamn boat anchor). I really played my trump card here and was trying to hold my ‘gameface’, Suddenly all the heads waiting in line behind (and all my friends) erupt with yells at the BigBoy to hurry up and started chanting “let us in”. BigBoy gives his mullet a shake and then he points into the venue and looks at me and exclaims “Go on, get out of here” and I dive headlong into my first Red Rocks show with a grin a mile wide(high)! Followed by Mary with my mics and my buddies with my fresh batteries (re: lie number four) and my blank tapes. The batteries that I dumped out for BigBoy were already ‘dead’ (pun intended). I again ran into that ‘kind stranger’ (Dr. Bob Wagner, FOB right side)) to plug out of his Sony again. Those two shows were stupefying, and the band obviously enjoyed playing there. Bobby's deer joke, and I remember Phil leading the boys through “Cold Rain & Snow” with his bass punching that tune into a triumphant ‘strut’ that evening.I recall Jerry broke a string during the Scarlet>Fire, which really didn't slow the pace of that perfect evening. On into Dancin' >NFA > Black Peter > Around & Around and then a dual encore of US Blues & Johnny B Goode. The next night was much the same. Each night we would watch the clouds chase each other in the sky as the band serenaded us. Until it became dark and then we looked out ‘over’ the Dead to see the distant lights of Denver sparking in the background. Second night second half, we were treated to a tremendous Estimated > Other One> Eyes of the World > drums> Wharf Rat > Franklin's Tower > Sugar Mag. The crowd was especially raucous as Wharf Rat wound to that tender quiet point and Phil (or was it Bobby) gave a "shhhhh" to still us in preparation for that wonderful 'launching' platform/crescendo. Those evenings the Dead's aural wonders were matched with the Red Rocks astounding visuals as we were perched in between those massive stony slabs jutting into the sky. The Dead's stage view was spectacular as well looking up at the throng of deadheads dancing sandwiched in then red rocks with the stars twinkling above us. As the Dead those two evenings took us all on an astounding journey of Americana, myth, rock and roll, country, space, jam, fable, fun, roller coaster, and turn on a dime delights, it all 'rolled into one'. And then as the Dead finished us all off with “Werewolves of London” we were all crooning back to the dead with our own howl of “Aoooooo”. And Garcia was grinning ear to ear as he bid us all a “good night”. Happy July 8th. The Teacher opens the door, but you must enter by yourself.
  • estimated-eyes
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    Those were a two of the first shows I had on cassette back in 1988 and night one is still one of my favorites. The second set is just plain old solid-- really good China-Rider, Estimated-Eyes with a good peaking solo from Jerry in Estimated (as you all have been discussing). It has always been disappointing that better quality recordings haven't surfaced of Alpine 85 and 87.
  • MLavallee
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    One show I really love is the third night of Irvine, April 19th. Doesn't hurt that this was my first run of shows, my 14 year old life was changed forever for which I am eternally grateful! While there are no big jams, indeed only Wharf Rat threatens to hit the 10 minute mark, the execution is very strong, Brent is definitely on and it's a really fun listen with a unique setlist.
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    And you used a THIN black Sharpie? Should've used at least a FINE black Sharpie...
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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OK - get em while you can...pm me. ANY ten shows of your choice from the box for $500US (including shipping from Australia) - sent the second I get the box...hope this helps some heads out - first come first served...
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there's another secondary market known as bit-torrent at which everything's available. why get riled up about any re-selling? everybody makes the choices they can live with. and if there's one thing in the debate that I find hard to take, it's imputing any sort of opinion to Jerry or the rest of the band. It's all speculative at this point, based on extrapolating comments from more than 20 years ago. this is where we are now - be grateful for the new product, or simply don't buy it and don't begrudge those that choose to.
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Certainly, some people (maybe not you) have made indictments of re-sellers on here (i.e. low class, etc). My post was reaction to those types of comments. If you choose not to resell, that's fine, but the point I'm making with respect to folks who have been critical of re-sellers is 1) don't think you're living out some idealistic crusade that aligns you with the Grateful Dead - that's a fantasy - and 2) you're being a bit hypocritical if you levy judgment against the middle class CD re-seller and not the Grateful Dead themselves. And if those same people own so much as one copy of an official release that was burned on a computer, then really, no need to pose on here as an agent of justice.
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So, I've had the same hi-fi system for the past 20 years, but I'm finally going to be buying a new one next month (wife will be taking my old one to her shop), and this is what I've pretty much decided on... Rotel RA-1570 Integrated Amp http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/rotel-ra-1570-review/ Marantz CD6005 CD Player http://www.whathifi.com/marantz/cd6005/review B&W 685 S2 Speakers http://www.whathifi.com/bw/685-s2/review Yes, I'm old school and will be playing actual CDs rather than so-called "HD" files ;)
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Thank You LoveJerry for saying it so succinctly.But please allow me to add my 2 cents too. I'm a long time DeadHead (60's) and a lower class bloke who struggles to make ends meet on a monthly basis. I buy & re-sell ANYTHING i can get my hands on. I'm also a music junkie with a massive collection but i still want almost every box set released by anybody & everybody. If that means buying doubles to resell later then i do it without thinking twice. I'm well aware of the 'going rates' and never try to gouge - just a little extra to help me along. I have no qualms about violating the Dead community's supposed 'moral code'. I've supported the band by buying tickets to hundreds of shows and almost every record & CD release. I've supported local communities with lodging, gas & eats etc. And if i yard sale and find a signed First Edition Alan Ginsberg for $5, then resell for $100, have i somehow offended the Beat community unspoken moral code? If i find a very cheap signed George Reeves/Superman collectible and resell for 1000% profit have i somehow offended the Nerd/Geek community? My point is: nothing is sacred, not even the Grateful Dead and it's product line. Even bibles are bought & sold for profit! The Grateful Dead are not immune to market forces, and the massive amount of resellers, and buyers, proves it. I sincerely hope that none of you who look down us ever find yourself in a situation where you need to make a choice between selling your goodies or paying the hospital bill, car payment, mortgage, tuition etc etc. May the Music be with you...
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Anyone can sell any CD that they own. The point of my earlier post was simply that dead.net will surely have the music available for sale as a download, and unless one strongly desires the physical CD from the box, there is absolutely no point in paying over retail. In other words, outside of the "collectible" object (for those persons interested in objects), the so-called secondary market (what I call scalpers) offer nothing of value. Here is a concrete example. I am thinking about the May 1977 set. on eBay, there are merchants selling the physical CDs for hundreds of dollars (double and triple the original price). Here at dead.net, the identical music is available as a download for $99, that is less than the original price of the CD box. If I decide I want it (not sure, I have Winterland 1977), for $99 plus $15 of blank CDs I will have the same music that the scalpers are offering for multiples of the original price. Obviously I will buy the download version. It is a matter of education. I am simply putting out the fact that unless one is fixed on having the pretty box, the music will be available in pristine form from dead.net in due course, and therefore no one should feel that they are going to miss anything of substance if they pass on the scalper box sets. Unless they want the pretty box. In that case, they are the scalper's customers. But it should be with an awareness that there will be a more fairly priced alternative. As a footnote, the Dead (Rhino, the producer, the engineers, etc.) have earned every penny that they make from this by creating, mixing, mastering and producing the music. The scalpers add nothing of value.
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....once those who didn't buy it SEE it...they'll want the box to rule them all...my preciousssssssss.....
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which is why I ordered the pretty box. There's just something about the official release, trappings and all, that adds a certain something. I imagine I'm not alone, else this box set would not be *almost* sold out before release. Also, Ziffle, your point was not merely one of "education" as to buyer options, so let's not pretend otherwise. At least be honest about what you said; when you make a statement calling resellers "vulgar" and implying they are not "moral" (your words), you have drawn a line. Own up to what you've said, and either defend it or retract it. Because if we can't stand by our statements, then how can we expect others to take our positions seriously?
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go on Ziffle......press buy.....
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dantian, I definitely believe that scalping the boxes is vulgar. Buy one for yourself, and give everyone else a chance to save up and purchase their own. Your criticism on the education point is also a mistake. I, for one, did not until recently learn that many of the sets and CDs are available to purchase as downloads. I am trying to introduce into the conversation the fact that when the CD boxes sell out, it is not the end of the story. This isn't like Fillmore 1969, dead.net has explicitly left the door open for downloads, and they surely will, as has been the case with the other recent sets. If you are into the objects, then more power to you, but leave room for guy or gal that needs a little more time to raise the cash. Not very nice for people to buy them up and hold up others for profit, unearned. Personally, I bought the USB set.
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If you can find it.....DJ Miles-Funky Sole Vol. 1Get Some :) ...something you need! Fills time before touchdown too.... :)
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Thanks for clarifying your position, you make some valid points.Honestly I don't think we disagree as I've participated in the used market by being a buyer. And certainly my beliefs aren't connected to the Dead as I've always sold any extra concert tickets at face value regardless of the band. I do hope that this set (and all others) gets released as digital down loads once the physical ones have sold out. (It does sound like that will happen) I get the need for limited runs on the physical side and that can create its own collectibles market but a digital option would be nice. I just feel people who miss out on a limited release should have a reasonable alternative to the 2nd hand marketplace. I don't see how that would hurt Rhino or The Dead if they don't sell the down loads until after the physical ones have sold out. Seems to me that would create the fairest market place for everyone.
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I think your anger is a bit misdirected. After all, it's the Grateful Dead/Rhino team that has made all these box sets 'Limited Editions' and thus created the flourishing resale market. Your enmity is getting old.
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To each their own. I want the physical box, maybe others prefer downloads, but that's not really the point, is it. Personally, I think the USB is a waste of money, but hey, I hope you enjoy it. But while you are chastising me for "being into objects" you might want to consider that the USB you ordered is also an object. I guess we're both into objects then, huh. And let's be real here for a minute: When faced with opposition to your original post, you stated that, "It is a matter of education. I am simply putting out the fact that unless one is fixed on having the pretty box, the music will be available in pristine form from dead.net in due course..." as if that was the main point of your earlier post. But "education" was not really the main point you were making, was it? The theme of your original post was the vulgar scalpers, wasn't it. Sure seemed that way. I'm glad that you have owned up to the "vulgar" comment, by the way. If that is what you believe, then that's fine. I may or may not agree with you, but I'll certainly defend your right to your opinion. Just take ownership of it. It was your obfuscation of your original point that I was objecting to. I find it annoying when people pretend they didn't say what they said.
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One Box Left !
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I think Terrapin Limited was 2-track. The Warlocks box is multi-track and not on the previous lists, but sounds awful to me. On a side note, I don't think "a large percentage" of any release goes to re-sellers. It may be trending upward, but I'll bet it's still less than 1%. I don't think it's worth worrying about. Folks who miss the boat or can't afford it on release day typically pay a premium later. I've done it. Also, it's not difficult to find any show for free if you just can't live without it and can't afford to buy it with the fancy packaging.
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Going Going Gone! Fare Thee Well is having a Labor Day sale - $45 T's now $30. I was wondering if they'll be putting out a 50th anniversary three show box every year ala Winterland boxes to keep this celebration going for the next thirty years. If not a box, then maybe a show??? Thinking about it, they could do two - a 25th and a 50th minibox a year for the next 15 years. Start with 1966 and 1981 and you'd keep all camps happy, except for Doc, you'd have to do a 1971 show of the month club ;)
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It may not be Grateful Dead shows but virtually every one but the desperately poor has something they liketo ccollect. Like FZ said don't kid yourselves you're all wearing uniforms so keep the stones to yourself
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10 days until BOXZILLA ships. GDTRFB 4/23/77
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I was glad to see that the physical box sold out and the USB stick was still available. It proves a point. People are not fooled by the move to HD files which is just the music industry trying to sell you something that they can make redundant/update at any time and which costs them very little if anything to produce. Physical product will be around for a long time and player will be available even if just to satisfy the second hand market for billions of CDs. To prove a point you can still buy new phonograph cylinders if you really want. I was in the local Hi Fi store and some Hi Fi nerd was trying to convince me I didn't need a physical format just a bunch of files on a PC. A physical product means I can be guaranteed playback in 10 years plus of course it has a second hand value. Don't be fooled by those who want you to buy transient fluff... they are rubbing their hands with glee at the thought. I'd buy the skull flash USB though...neat item. ..but not for hundreds of dollars and of course the last thing they want you to do is put take files off your CD's and put them on a USB.
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I don't remember the prices being that high during the event.. They must have jacked them up and then offered a sale
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I feel the same way as you as to which I prefer to own. I don't know how old you are but literally no one under 30 or even 35 bothers with cds. We may not like it but it's a fact they do downloads and Sirius and streaming. The only physical some bother with is the resurgence in vinyl. Too be honest not sure how long that will last. And yeah due to the nature of my job I interact with hundreds of that demographic
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I would argue nobody 'owns' a file. That's why the industry was so keen on downloads. Streaming is in effect on demand radio. CDs are seen as a carrier for a file with no physical merit. Same with hard back books (v paper backs or even e book readers). There is no lack of demand for second hand vinyl CDs or books though particularly if rare. Vinyl in particular continues to rise in value reaching investment levels. I fear that its gradually becoming a hobby for the rich. Either way from a purely economic perspective a physical product has a resale value...and that in addition to the aesthetic appeal of a physical object wins hands down for me. I may need the money one day.
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Lets not kid ourselves. Great to see new product but this isn't the Dead Community giving us this stuff. I spoke to Dennis McNally when he was alive not long after the Dead sold to Rhino. His exact words were "The Grateful Dead are no more. They sold everything to 'the suits' "
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Last one it seems.
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It was 30 years ago this morning I completed my first ride on the Terrapin Trailways Bus. I got on board after the final Red Rocks show and disembarked outside of Santa Fe to hitch-hike home, "up to Taos". Norman and Sandy who own the bus are some of the finest Dead-Heads in the history of the band.
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Ziffle, my frequent reading of GDM comment threads has made it very hard to listen to Dead music. I suggest you stay away from these threads before they infect your enjoyment of the music. As for myself, I am not buying this box and I still haven't decided if I will get a Dave's2016 sub. Reselling at raised prices is the EXACT definition of scalping. The Denying or spinning that is a reflection of the sort of people who are frequent commenters here. That MacNally quote about the Dead selling to the suits applies here: lots of "suits" right here. As for the limited edition plan and reselling being lauded as "good business" and in no way a "slap in the face to Deadheads": the idea that a "large percentage" of a limited release will be scalped means that a large percentage of the small number of Deadheads that are granted the privilege of having the release will have to pay scalper prices. And the scalpers and GDM get fat. Dance and shake your bones kids, you ARE on your own! Sometimes when I listen to the Dead now I see Trump and Cheney dancing out of the corner of my eye and the music dies for me. "Good business"?!? In The Dark and the 87-95 period tours were "good business". That Wall Of Sound/Round Records period was bad business. Choose your listening accordingly. I hope GDM starts releasing it's limited editions through EBay. They have proved the bidding-up-market on these things is there. It would be good business! I guess I can stop now...
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David Lemieux and Jeffrey Norman are not suits. Please refrain from any bashing of the guys and gals who tirelessly put this shit out. If you wanna talk about Round Records taking over for Rhino and why, fine, but leave the true deadheads out of it. The balls on some of you guys.
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Your logic is specious and presentation juvenile. So you buy a print by Dylan and later sell it for a profit ...you're a scalper? Think you need some econ 101
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I think you mean to attribute that comment to Lavatla, not McNally? McNally is still alive. The Grateful Dead haven't "sold" anything to anybody. They've made some licensing agreements. It's widely reported in the media that the Rhino executive who was initially put in charge of GD releases, and is now the president of the company, is a longtime DeadHead. That's why we're getting releases of this size, nature and frequency - it's not some sort of corporate money-grab - It's individuals who are fans first and foremost who happen to also be in a decision-making position that have the balls to stand up in a boardroom saying "let's do this".
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I'm not too keen on that idea when it comes to all things Grateful Dead.. I can find other ways to make a buck.. But if that is what pays the bills then just realize it won't last forever and eventually prices will be raised by the company that does all the hard work because they see Average Joes cashing in.. Keep the prices where they are at People..
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Understand it but won't use it. I suppose Jesus should have auctioned off the wine and fish. What a Commie Hippy he was! The people who got me in to The Dead were anti-Capitalust Hippies. They aren't on these boards. I generally don't talk to you people, but Ziffle's post was a light in the darkness of SS71 and MM posts. When he got jumped on I would not let him stand alone. The modern equivalent of the parking lot party is Live Music Archive and the torrent world. Long may they run!
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No......You buy a print of Dylan because you want to hang it on your fucking wall.
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So... I just want to clarify... Because I wear a suit to work every day, does that make me a "suit"? Or can I still be a "real Deadhead"? I wasn't aware until now that the two might be mutually exclusive.
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To quote Robert Downey, Jr.'s character in Tropic Thunder... "What do you mean, 'you people'"?
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The past month or so things have been very friendly here on this board but all of a sudden things are getting ugly. Guess it has to do with the fact that Boxzilla will soon hit the mail. Let me say right up front that I certainly cannot afford this box, but that did not stop me from purchasing it. I knew that if I did not, I would never be happy with that decision. Sometimes you just have to go for it. The box has now been on sale for a bit over three months. Every one who wanted to get one, certainly had the time to do so. That is 3 months to save up the dough If you did not / could not buy it for whatever reason, now is no the time to sling mud on those who did purchase it. Reselling of any item, be it music or not, has been going on forever and will continue to do so. That is the fact of the matter. It is not wrong. I have bought cds from secondary markets. The price may have been inflated, but I chose to buy. Nobody held a gun to my head. I have also sold cds on ebay. Again, I forced no one to buy them. If someone wanted it, good. If not, then it was up to me to lower the price or to just shelve it. Calling resellers by derogatory names is not right. If you don't want to deal with them, don't! Real simple. If I was going to buy a used car, and it was too expensive, whose at fault? Live & let live. But can't we remain civil about it? Rock on
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It's really not clear to me. So I ask. Who's worse then? If all this capitalism and profiting and scalping and selling what's best when free ala archive is such a moral problem... Who's worse? The people buying the releases? The people re-selling some tiny fraction of them? Or is the people who are producing and selling them in the first place, limiting them, hyping them, making them into something "physical" (ugh!) in the first place? Or maybe that's all just splitting hairs to our armchair moralists? "Who's worse? -- You're all awful." Is that it? A guy to whom people once paid some attention (and some money!) said: "If you don't have a ticket, please don't come." But that would be a pretty awful thing to say too I guess, judging by the moral barometer I think I discern in some of these posts.
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The last time I checked, Dennis McNally was still very much alive.
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Why is it we like vinyl? I mean, its a pain in the ass in all honesty. You need to have the record, a good needle, good amplifier, and nice sized speakers (or good headphones). Then, the more you listen to the record, the more the grooves become stripped (which produces the crackling sound). SO, I ask again, why do we listen to vinyl? Because it has better acoustics than CDs. The dynamic sound range of a record will blow CD sound out of the water. If records sounds fantastic, and CDs sound really good, is there a middle ground? Yes - those HD files that everybody is second guessing. Yes, you can't resell the HD files on the secondary market, and if you don't have the right HD players like PONO of FIIO X1, X3, or X5, or maybe a DAC for your computer - then those files are worthless. BUT, for $100 plus a microSD card, you can easily get a FIIO X1 player from amazon, and drag and drop those HD files on it, and listen to all the shows in any car that has a AUX port or while you're riding a bike, kayaking, running, or riding the train to work. I know nyquist theorem states that our ear can't hear the hi-res sounds (http://www.wescottdesign.com/articles/Sampling/sampling.pdf) - but I challenge anyone on this site or forum to walk into a music store that sells the PONO player and allows you to hear its quality with Sennheisers 598HD headphones and tell me that doesn't sound different. I listen to Dead shows everyday, and I have both the 24bit and CD box set for Spring Too 1990. Having done blind testing, I guessed correctly which one was higher quality more than 75% of the time. Now, given, I am crazy - my wife can't always tell the difference - but I can. I am 36 years old, and want the best quality with the most convenience, and that is what the HD files are for me. I'm not thinking about selling the shows, or how much they will be worth on the secondary market. I mean, if history tells us anything, those box sets will be worth something in 10 years. I mean, has anyone tried to buy a PureJerry show or View from the Vault soundtracks? They are all out of print, and hard to find. People are selling the Winterland '77 shows on amazon for over $500 bones. The music is there for us to enjoy, and if the shows are mastered in 24bit/96khz then you have my attention. Not because of my age, but because I know I am getting the highest quality available. Also, just to note, most records now are made with the 24bit/192khz digital files. Anyone who bought the 'Wake Up to Find Out' album on RSD got hi-res files on the vinyl format. Here is some more information: http://www.quora.com/Why-are-vinyl-records-considered-to-have-better-au… Don't mean to get too preachy, and I know this may cause some blowback - but this is my opinion. Thanks for listening.
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KYTrips, I don't know if the answers you seek are within this portal, but I (just my opinion) think this is a good place to look:http://www.wavygravy.net HBob: scalper is NOT a derogatory term. From the online OED site: North American informal Sell (a ticket) for a popular event at a price higher than the official one: tickets were scalped for forty times their face value. If you interpret it's use as derogatory, I think that must be your subconscious moral compass talking. Rrot: I think that the limited edition sales model is the root of most of what I find disturbing in the GDM world. I also think it is the engine that allows so many potentially great releases to happen. I wish GDM would find another business model, but I don't know if there is another that will achieve the positive results. The negative results are breaking my heart... And HBob, I agree that these threads are nicer without angry voices of dissent like myself. I generally refrain from expressing myself here and will retreat into my hole again when this kerfuffle winds down.
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Are you the one that has a couple videos up, guitar instruction, like the dont ease me in and iko iko? I ask because your pic looks like the one in the video?
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is often a wondrous, almost mystical experience for me. The music takes me on a journey, a wild carpet ride, and I lose myself in it. I dare say that if you are so caught up in your own politics that you see Trump and Cheney (or even Obama and Hilary) when you listen to the GD, you ain't doing it right.
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Well here is one anti cap! I originally got on the bus because I thought then that the Dead reflected an anti authoritarian, communitarian zeitgeist. I remember the Diggers, I remember all kinds of communitarian experiments, attempts to create a new world in the shell of the old, I remember a couple of years later, another SF band singing we are forces of chaos and anarchy, everything they say we are, we are... I have watched with bemused amusement all the handwringing over the FTW circus, the ticket prices, the pathetic merchandising,but thats what capitalism does, it recuperates every alternative gesture and turns it into its opposite, it turns us into passive consumers,consumers of our own alienation, but still we hang on to the illusion that the Dead are different, that somehow we are part of some community. Some Bozo is laughing all the way to the bank! In the 60s you had the hog farm, now you have 700 dollar box sets and all the little Dead Heads gleefully trying to justify their petit commerce. Ive had enough, Im outta here. Fare thee well indeed.
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I belong to the younger crowd that some have mentioned, and I will take the digital copies all day. It is just so much more convenient. I shoot those puppies in to the iTunes cloud and start a show at work. Headphones on as I walk out to the car, auto bluetooth connect and the show keeps playing in my car. Walk in house and turn on bluetooth radio, the music never stops. It is a seamless listening experience that you simply cannot even come close to with CDs, even if you sit right next to the player the entire time. The alternative is fumbling with discs, having to change them in an out, limited places I can listen, etc. Could I just rip them? I guess, but ripping and tagging 80 or 90 discs takes forever, and my Mac doesn't even have a CD drive. Even still then I just have a box taking up space and collecting dust. I understand wanting something tangible, but it is a tangible pain in the *** compared to popping in a usb drive and waiting a few hours for the upload to finish. One final note, I do believe there are collectors out there who would like to buy a limited edition GD usb at a discounted price.
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I disagree, the dynamic range of an lp or Vinyls as you kiddies call it, is 45 DB, the dynamic range of a CD is over 90. The warmth you feel from analog is the sound of the turntable motor being picked up by the stylus. Don't believe me turn on the Turntable, put on a record and don't put the needle on, turn it up and you are hearing the latent mechanical sound that is underlying the signal from the record. Vinyl is a scam by the labels, who after fighting to ban CD burners in PCs, moved back to vinyl as a distribution method after losing money to people ripping CDs for their friends. About 10 years ago there was a Wall St Journal article on the demise of the labels and CDs, it was about how they wanted to move back to albums because "anyone with a computer can bootleg a CD, but no one has a record press in their basements". That was the day I started buying CDs the day they came out so I wouldn't be stuck with download files. I went through the lp to CD propaganda in the 1980's and CDs are superior to vinyl in dynamic range, if you happen to listen to identical mixes on the same system from an LP or a CD.
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It's the best possible business model. Nothing can be changed to make it both profitable for the record company and the Dead, and to make the releases available in unlimited quantities at normal prices - has to be limited edition for the quantity of shows they're releasing. So they make their money, we get our Grateful Dead. Some people buy more than one copy and resell them on eBay - so what. Everything is legal and moral. Just enjoy the tunes, it's better than none at all. And really, a specific complaint I heard was 500 bucks for 10 shows. 50 bucks isn't that big a mark-up. The CD store near me sells Dick's Picks for 40 - 60 bucks. I mean really, what are we bickering about here. Bunch of malarkey. About the vinyl records - is that right, vinyl records have a wider dynamic range than digital CDs? Why is that the case? Can they not develop the digital platform to have an equal dynamic range?
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