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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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  • #6631
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    Speaking of Decline
    Yeah Palmer, you bring up a good point. What happened to Bob Weir's guitar sound in the late 70s? I want to call it choppy flamenco, but I don't know why I want to call it that. It's something in the tone of his guitar that changed a whole bunch. I may be morphing into pre-hiatus guy....I've always maintained that they were better with just Billy on drums, and that almost anything they played on the Europe '72 tour sounded better in '72 than it did after the hiatus (Bertha, Cold Rain, New Minglewood ((Ladies & Gentlemen - wow)), Ramble On, Sugar Magnolia, Promised Land, Deal, the list goes on. But there was so much good stuff I like in 77/78 - Scarlet Fire, Music Never Stopped, Estimated Eyes, Help-Slipknot-Franklin, The Wheel, Samson, the list goes on.
  • #6632
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    For the Shakedown Sessions, I don't think it was that he wasn't welcome to the studio, its that there were days that he didn't even show up, especially towards the end. Jerry, in particular, was pissed and asked John Kahn to finish. He even has keyboard credits on the album. Wouldn't that qualify to some of the comments at least? I also think Keith's playing is brilliant for most of his career with the Dead, and I often spend large amounts of time listening to the Keith Years. I also think band members opinions count. So there's a lot to this, but most importantly I don't recall any significant volume of people bashing Keith's playing on this thread. ..and if there are some comments you might not like, they are almost always in response to someone stirring the pot with Brent bashing, which certainly offends people. I was just highlighting that for a host of reasons Feb '17th was their last show, so lets be thankful for what we have instead of dwelling on what we cannot impact. It is what it is. That's all, nothing personal.
  • #6633
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    Just finished listening Row Jimmy from 3/20/77. Keith sounds great backing up Jerry's fine, lyrical solo, but is clobbered by every hit of Mickey's bass drum. I think this was mentioned a few weeks ago; very apparent to me on this track. To my ears, it sounds like there was a change in the mix from 76 to 77; more emphasis on the drums(esp. bass drum), and a less "crispy" bass, making the overall sound a little muddier than it was.
  • #6634
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    I love the keyboard/era debates!
    I don't agree that "old" topics, such as era- and keyboard debates should be retired. This day's posts has been the most interesting here to me in weeks: from floridabobs culture reflections all through the Keith decline discussion. Almost anything that generates a flurry of thoughtful posts seems cool to me as long as it's civil. As a lifelong Deadhead, I think the era/keyboard debate is perfectly relevant and (for me) endlessly fascinating (well, nearly endlessly). I'm extemely conflicted and ambivalent about most of the Dead's post-hiatus music and have been that way for >35 years. Where else can we talk about these things? If we only stuck to the forum topic, we all know these threads dry up quickly and become boring as all hell. My guess is that,era/keyboard discussions generate the most interest here, despite complaints about "old, well worn" topics. Anyone really bored can just scroll though topics that don't interest them. I did draft a long post to contribute to the Keith decline discussion but lost the draft. Basically, I agree with LoveJerry. Keith sounds fine to me in the late 70's but as someone pointed out, he seems very low in the mix. Yes, there is a huge difference in Keith's playing E72 and May 77; but the same could be said for Phil and Bobby's playing. How could anyone not notice a similar decline in their playing? Listen to any of Bob and Phil's playing from the late 70's compared to, say Fillmore 2/69, E72, or WInterland 73. Night and day.
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    hahahaha What?? He stole Jerry's stash??
    No wonder he wasn't welcome (and no wonder he couldn't finish the Shakedown Street session). Hey hey, Jerrylover, don't drag my name in the mud lol. I only said he was a fair pilot. No but really Keith Moon was like the tazmanian devil with drumsticks. If anyone has heard his live stuff from Tommy and Live at leads, in that '69 - '70 zone, you know what I'm talking about. I can understand why Clapton or Baker (I forget which one) would have given that snide expression when asked about Moon's talent compared to Baker, because Ginger was great, a time keeper, an arranger, and so much more than a drummer when it came to making music, but Moon was off the rails excellent, and completely untouchable from '68 - '73. But if you compiled the best live 2 hours of Moon with the best live 2 hours of Baker, Moon is a step or two ahead. What Baker brought to music composition, Moon brought to live performance.
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    I am asking "us" because "us" are the folks who frequently say Keith's playing declined without a lick of evidence to substantiate that assertion. Forget what you've read on Wikipedia or wherever, since it's not exactly a well documented topic, and listen to the music - where is it? Did Phil really say that? If he said it, is it true? In a court of law it's nothing more than hearsay. Give me a song or just recognize that every time someone comments that his playing declined is probably going off the Wiki quote or the comment from Blair Jackson's book (thanks for sharing, never saw it before), but a couple of off-handed subjective remarks do not make it true, and they don't hold up to scrutiny, which is my main point. People are regurgitating hearsay that does not hold up to scrutiny - no wonder politicians lie so much - it's so easy to pass lies off as truth to the masses. It's actually kind of scary. It would be interesting to scan this site for the past several months to see how often this unsubstantiated rubbish was repeated. I kind of feel bad for Donna. And the reason I didn't bring up anything like drug use or marital problems is because it has nothing to do with my argument, which is simply that his playing did not suffer on the stage, and I have the tapes to prove it :-) Or maybe I don't - I am willing to admit I was wrong or uninformed, which is why I posted in the first place - to find out if anyone can point to a performance where his playing was off. Keithfan mentioned Keith Moon - at least when his playing was said to have declined before his death, you can hear it in recordings (Kilburn 1977, Who Are You). That I believe, because it's well documented and easy to hear.
  • #6637
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    Of course I agree with LoveJerry - not because I'm a Keith fan, but because it's true - there is really very little primary source evidence that Keith's playing deteriorated. Wikipedia? Even if Phil said it, ex-bandmates deride each other all of the time, it's the single most predictable type of slander they throw at one another. I'm sure he nodded off at the wheel a few times, but that's hardly a deterioration in skills. Not that it's a good thing. But I get LoveJerry's sentiment, which I might also add was not an argument about the reasons he left the band so much as a defense of his playing. So while yeah, some folks have pointed out that there was drug use and whatever, the main point is that folks comment about Keith's deterioration of skill on here all the time, presumably because they read a Wiki quote or Blair Jackson comment - yet the evidence, the music betrays the notion that there was anything substandard in his playing. If I'm reading her post accurately she's just asking someone to point out which songs/shows/period demonstrates this decreased ability to play, and indignant (correct me if I'm wrong JerryLover) that when the topic of his departure comes up, everyone always says he couldn't play, he couldn't play, he couldn't play. I have, myself tried to substantiate that claim that he could no longer play, but just can't find it. The proof should be in the pudding, but it's not. Long live Keith. Both of them - Keith Moon drummed circles around Ginger - he just colored out of the lines a lot.
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    Why ask us? We didn't kick him out of the band. There's a few factors you are not bringing up besides his playing. I don't think any of us question he was a brilliant piano player loaded with talent. But.. First there was his escalating drug use. By late '78 Keith had a heroin addiction (and for that matter so did Jerry). Towards the end of Shakedown Street, Keith couldn't even be found to finish the keyboard tracks on some of the unfinished songs, so John Kahn of all people filled in and did them. In Rock Skully's book, Rock states Keith was rumored to have stolen Jerry's stash once, which really pissed off Jerry. Shortly after that, Keith wasn't part of the JGB. Can't ask any of them if its true because they've all passed by now.. but I don't think there's much doubt about their drug use and drug of choice in these years. There was also the relationship trauma. There were regular fireworks between Keith and Donna on a regular basis. Violent fights, trashed hotels, smash up derby's in the parking lots, ...drama.. tension.. yuk. And then there was his playing. I think his playing had diminished or at the very least was not consistent by late '78, early '79 and, well, the sad truth is.. you can't get rid of Jerry and I'm not sure if having two junkies in the band was something they wanted or could continue with. Keith and Donna wanted to leave too. I think she left a few shows early in one of the last tours because she couldn't take it either. Remember, they were trying to raise small kids at the time. So its well documented that the parting was mutual. I'm not sure what is to be accomplished by going down that rabbit hole. They left and they got a new piano player. We weren't there, but I imagine if we were and if we were privy to all the facts and details.. well, my guess is one way or another, that darkness had to give. One Edit: I read cousins reply (which was classic). Yes, amateur slide guitar hour. aaaack! Love ya Bobby... but on this one, I agree with my cousin. He supposedly started playing more slide to get the sounds he (they) wanted they keys. ..and yes, Donna in particular was drinking a lot, but Keith was chasing the dragon.
  • #6639
    JimInMD
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    I agree with your post. I think most people's minds on this are 'set like concrete'. The back and forth is usually non-productive, and I can't say I learn a ton from it.. especially when the posts come with barbs or put down another's tastes or preferences. I actually don't see the debate, I like the Keith years.. but spring '79 was their last hurrah, and enter the '80's and they got a new keyboard player. It is what it is. I am thankful someone pressed "record" on the tape deck, sit back and enjoy (or press skip if there's out there that doesn't tickle your pleasure bone).
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    Check out JGB live shows from 1978
    Some great stops along the way from Keith in 1978. And another vote for Red Rocks July 7-8, 1978. Tennesse Jed ; Passenger ; Peggy-O ; The Music Never Stopped Killer four piece combo to end first night 1st set
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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Submitted by mikeblood on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 16:42

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What a horrible disappointment and amateurish display of piss poor planning . Why is there such a shortage these days of anyone who can do anything right the first time ? I find it incredibly difficult to put any kind of positive spin on this , just abysmal customer service and lack of respect for a loyal fan base . We are everywhere? Yup , and we are all fools for accepting this treatment as normal ... PS- John Mayer can go suck a friggin egg
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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 16:50

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That's pretty good. So the warehouse was in Tianjin? Perhaps the wood burnt etching of the band members names ignited the lacquer that burned some boxes that started the explosion that leveled the town that delayed our box set? That would be something.
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Submitted by mpace on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 16:51

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Was hoping this would be over with by now so I could see if there were plans to sell in smaller sets, but dead.net has found another way to amaze me with terrible customer service - feel really bad for those who have purchased this box only to see Christmas delayed this year... Wonder what the issue is... Did they run out of money during production because they did not sell as many as needed? Wonder what the real amount sold is, since they seem to be using the "get it while it lasts" line in cry wolf proportions. Whats also is amazing is how much people just take it on the chin over and over again without even a word- over priced box during a celebration year, delayed shipping, box cutters (my spring other one was sliced nice so I know that story), no view of the contents (probably not developed or they realized it was too much of a cut in profit like E72), I can go on but you get the point. Sorry for the negativity, but my rant is just a way of saying, enough is enough - get your act together dead.net Rhino, ptb, whoever you are - make a reasonably priced product we can all enjoy (without limited editions - such cheese) and we will be there to buy and sing your praises for others to come buy.
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Submitted by saintstephen1971 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 16:55

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A month delay - fuck it I'm cancelling have your box back - I'll torrent the shows...
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Submitted by jrf68@hotmail.com on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 17:02

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Hopefully the good news is the Box-Cutter Bandit has been apprehended!Hang in there folks. :)
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Submitted by WH5150 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 17:12

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Well this sucks. Been a shitty 6 months and this just adds to it. While I'd like to be in the "hey as long as they get it right" camp, this type of stuff is not rocket science. You are releasing a boxed set, not a new SUV. Get your release date correct. Top if off, do not charge me a month ahead of time (when originally it was going to be about 10 days from release date). This "mid October" is bullshit. When things are this expensive I start to play hardball. If you charge me on 9/17, I better have it by 10/17 or I file fraud charges with my CC company. This is a business deal. Pure and simple. Just because it is Dead music means nothing in terms of a business deal. Deliver it in 30 days from charge or you can shove it. What a blunder. 2015 has been the "year of Dead milking" and this whole fiasco (and it is a fiasco) is just another black eye. I guess I have a week or so to re-consider the purchase which I was doing so anyway. I guess we should have known (and been the wiser) when even the video on the product was a piss poorly produced post. Peace Roger
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Submitted by lgreen on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 17:07

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I really don't want to be negative but from the announcement of this box onwards there has been a cavalcade of self-inflicted wounds... there is no way of nicely saying this but Rhino/whomever have really screwed this release - please begin to redeem things now by being honest about when it may really ship, by telling us what we are really getting [god you have $50 million of our money and we don't know what we have bought] and how you will ensure the rest of this goes smoothly... and for those in Europe who have bought this can you please ensure a shipping which pre-pays the inevitable customs duties...
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Submitted by wissinomingdeadhead on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 17:19

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I'll get 30 Trips first then about 17 days later I'll get DP Volume 16. What's another month. I'm not going anywhere. Talk about a DEADFEST in October.
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Submitted by mpace on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 17:14

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quick get everyone still at the dead.net/rhino office to write something positive - like I can wait or a joke like man I hope they got that box cutter guy huhuhuh sorry, can't help it....
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Submitted by WH5150 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 17:16

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great post igreen. I would also add, charge me 10 days before ship like it was to be in the first place. That is my big hang up.
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Submitted by steve73 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 17:17

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Maybe some of the folks who are beside themselves with anger and exhibiting questionable behavior could take a deep breath, listen to some of the many hours of free music this site provides every week, enjoy the digital version of 30 Trips that will be available on the originally anticipated release date, and reflect on the fact that The Powers That Be are trying to present a unique and fabulous product for a music-loving community that is tiny by industry standards. I really thought that everyone who is into a band that stopped performing 20 years ago would be old enough to handle such a minor disappointment.
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Submitted by Musicabove on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 17:18

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Just like the band Rhino BLEW It during the BiG One. Maybe we should have seen this coming. Are they using the same production company that put together Europe 72? Dead heads are not patient.
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Submitted by anrumler on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 17:28

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So, on Monday I received and email letting me know that the Box will ship on or around Sept 18th. No one knew at that time that this was going to be delayed? I think a group of chimpanzees could have done this better. I dont really have an issue with the delay itself but do have an issue with being charged a month before it is "supposed" to ship.
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Submitted by Kayak Guy on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 17:31

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Due to unforeseen circumstances the Boxes will be delayed for 1 month. Seems we made the boxes out of wood and they got infected with termites in our North Carolina warehouse while waiting for the person with box cutter to come back from vacation. He's the key to the distribution system and like "Kilroy was Here", our friend likes to leave his mark. We have decided to replace the faulty infected wood boxes with high quality cardboard, like they use in roach motels, with a color xerox of the box's original artwork glued on the sides for extra tensile strength.The box contents are carefully being fumigated in Tijuana and require 2 weeks of quarantine before being allowed in the US, you understand. The CD cover's we never showed you, are those Road Trip style ones people always talk about in the comments. Any holes or bite marks are part of the limited nature of the release and prove the authenticity, or they could be considered psychedelic, what ever works for you. Warning do not eat any bug carcasses you might find in the box, smoking or licking the scroll is not advised you will go Naked Lunch. That is all.
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Submitted by jrf68@hotmail.com on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 17:34

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Just trying to lighten the situation.Thanks for being a big dick. Have a good one folks,I'm F'n out.
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Submitted by LetsGoCaps on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 17:35

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Okay, I never go negative but this is horse shit. They're not shipping but still taking our money????? WTF? Are we supposed to happily accept the delay because they used the "just exactly perfect" line on us? Dave said in his video they've been planning the release since 2012. Surely they could have told us sooner and spared us the disappointment of an 11th hour delay. Still taking our money is the real kick in the nuts here. This just shows they don't give a shit about us....AT ALL. I can afford this box but I know there are many who have really stretched themselves to get a copy. For Christs sake, give those Heads an extra month to raise the money and ease their burden.
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Submitted by WH5150 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 17:37

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I give you credit Steve73 if you consider being charged $700 and change over a month before a "ship" date as a minor disappointment. Its simple. Do not charge me until it is ready to ship and you can take as long as you freaking want. Once you have my money, I want my shit. Sort of like payday. I worked I want paid. Would you consider it a minor disappointment if there was a 30 day delay in your pay check? The fact that this is just a music boxed set does not mean shit when I am out money. Charge me on October 10th and I shut the hell up. Charge me on 9/17 and I call the CC company on 10/18 if I do not have it. I urge others to do the same. It is not personal, it is business. This is just a total fuck up considering we got an e-mail a week ago making certain our CC info was correct. They had to know at that time the delay was at foot. Feels dishonest. just sayin'
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Submitted by WH5150 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 17:40

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Agree Caps.......
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Submitted by dantian on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 17:46

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the Dead.net site is getting a lot of traffic and the conversation seems much more lively than usual.
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Submitted by Mr. Jack Straw on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 17:52

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But seriously... I'm also bummed about the delay. However, I must say that it is pretty decent of Rhino to send links to the shows so we can experience the music. Not many companies would do that.
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Submitted by mhammond12 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 17:54

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All for cutting Grateful Dead Merchandising some slack. I've bought tons of music here with almost no complaints. Basically the only place I buy CDs nowadays. That being said the past few months have been a very rough patch indeed. Pre-sold recordings of 5 hour concerts that turned out to be much shorter and haven't yet addressed the discrepancy. Shipped out a lot of damaged merchandise. And now the 50th anniversary (which had been hyped mercilessly) flag ship release 30 Trips apparently has encountered "some problems." Hmmm.
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Submitted by mikeblood on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 18:07

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Ummm, yeah. At this point in the game a product that was announced 3 months ago should already be "just exactly perfect" so skip all the self righteous posturing. This is about supply, demand and questionable business tactics . What could possibly take another month in this endeavor? In addition, I never was one who subscribed to the listen for free aspect , I had tapes back in the day, but currently listen to the stuff I have acquired by paying my hard earned money for and have more than enough to get thru a measly 30 or so days. This also has nothing to do with age, I can wait for a while longer and I have no intention of canceling this item ,it does have a lot to do with the fact that a product was promised to a loyal and undying fan base and address confirmation emails were sent out less than 72 hours ago . Then all of a sudden, oops , we done bad ?. Total first world problem , but you can't really blame people for being disappointed.
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Submitted by David Upton on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 18:09

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Mr. JS: don't make it sound like Rhino is being nice and giving you something for nothing. You're getting a link to the shows for $700.
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Submitted by rodrigodiaz on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 18:10

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tptb should have attempted a more modest approach to the box. Maybe fall 73 instead of something that seems to be beyond their abilities. Doing a box like this and the dumb ftw box took more attention than was given it. It sucks that rhino could not keep the time table they set.
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Submitted by saintstephen1971 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 18:18

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....I'm guessing his radio silence is down to now holidaying in the Bahamas
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Submitted by wjonjd on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 18:19

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I believe we have actually all been unwitting participants in a sociological experiment to determine if it is possible to turn a bunch of deadheads into a lynch mob.
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Submitted by Duece on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 18:19

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You know it's not good when they can't even give you a date and just tell you mid October. I'm thinking there will be another delay saying it will be out around thanksgiving, then maybe around the holidays, then possibly at some time in 2016, for the great celebration of the 51st anniversary. The should give us advanced downloads and not links for streaming.
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Submitted by Boruta on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 18:24

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Disappointing, yet I'd much prefer to wait to make sure any problems are solved. I was really looking forward to getting this sooner though. How it went from thinking it might arrive earlier than 9-18 to much later . . . oh well!
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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 18:25

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Everyone brought up great points about the time they had to get this right, the fact that they're still taking our money, the past history of poor service (box cutters, etc, and let us not forget the opening day server crash that screwed up everybody's credit cards and bank accounts). I would like to see a video with Dr. Rhino and Dave Lemieux offering an EXPLANATION, an apology, and a discount off all box sets. Money in their investment portfolio for a month is money out of my investment portfolio for a month. I swear, every Subject line of every posting should be "Lemieux and Rhino". God I hope I spelled his name right, I can never remember if it's i before e except after C, or e before i except when they lie...but yeah, 5/25/77, great show...
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Submitted by Automaticslim on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 18:30

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You made me laugh my AO!I don't think anyone was charged yet - at least I wasn't. Rhino wants to deliver a "just exactly perfect" product. We can all listen to whatever we want to hear the "official" day of release through the Ethernet connection provided. Let's face it - it's either that or an inferior product - and this is pretty ambitious on so many levels. The only weird thing is: Why at the last minute? Please don't take this the wrong way. - slim
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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 18:40

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Slim, I don't know man. First of all, my account was charged: 09/08/2015 DAI*SHOPDEADNET.COM $751.43 Secondly, I don't think there is any problem with the product itself. I don't think they have a clue how many "good" sales they have (i.e. people whose credit cards were good 3 months ago, whose cards are still good today). And remember that email we all got about calling in if our credit card info needed to be updated? That info was all taken down manually, so who knows how many of those got screwed up. And how about all of the sell-outs, oh we have 30 more, then sell-out, then oh we have 15 more. I really think they need a month to actually charge the cards and determine how many sales and shipments they really need to make. They have no clue how many sales they have.
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Submitted by philledawg on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 18:44

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First off, ...no problems with the W8, being charged next week, or anything else. Anyway, just got off the phone with Mike, last week an awesome deadnet rep., 4got her name but she, like every deadnet rep I've spoken with, is AWESOME!. For me, the concern was that my credit card information had changed. The deadnet rep fixed it last week. Today, or yesterday, received an email that contradicted the changes the rep made, last week. So, I spoke w/ deadnet rep. Mike and...it was all good! Team deadnet, Don't let negative vibes and serial complainers get the best of y'all! I LOVE MY DEADNET TEAM! Jeez Louise, try to focus on your life and let the good peeps at Rhino/Deadnet do their thing, which is uncharted! Namaste....hey, hey! -pdawg 'woof'
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Submitted by FennarioXRDS on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 18:50

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Does anyone really think they'll provide enough bandwidth for all of us to stream the shows on 9/18? Either the files will be crappy low-low-def or the stream will crash. And all it will cost is $700.00
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Submitted by dedhed76 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 18:53

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Seriously. Our society has become a bunch of fucking crybabies. Am I bummed about the delay? Sure. We will still get a link to the music on time to hold us over... I served 30 years in the Marine Corps, lived in the crappiest part of Africa for 18 months, did three combat tours, etc. This is nothing. But the whining is annoying, so put your big girl pants on! Be thankful for what you have and what you're going to receive.Peace out!!!!
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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:00

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That and KayakGuys posts (plus a few others) cracked me up.
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Submitted by saintstephen1971 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:01

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08 Sep 15 DAI*SHOPDEADNET.COM 877-3323638PURCHASE AUTHORISATION 1,058.91 DR So how the hell have i been charged then???? DedHed76 - mate I'm fine with your idea - can they charge you for one month then for my box set and I'll pay you the day its shipped??
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Submitted by Automaticslim on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:01

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I Wish my card was charged. That would be a guarantee. Maybe the Dilithium Crystals couldn't take the load? I did get an e-mail saying my card would be charged September 17. And it is one more in a long string of WTF's lately. Nothin' left to do but smile, smile, smile. Might be time to throw 8/27/72 on and enjoy the magic. For those keeping score at home you can pick your own magic. The box is comin' any day now, don't worry 'bout it, no. Been so long I felt this way and time sure passing slow..... For what it's worth....we can't change whatever the issues are. I'm disappointed but I will get by. - slim
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Submitted by FennarioXRDS on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:03

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Funny how you include all the complaints about your life while you're telling other people not to complain isn't it?
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Submitted by mikeblood on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:15

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my suffering is worse than yours , another annoying aspect of modern society , the louder you are the righter you ain't .
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Submitted by Chitown rider on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 19:41

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I can wait another month... I guess. But what I'm thinking is why the 4 mos pre sale on a limited run 6500 qty box set? and the pre charge then re charge? its sold out... no we found more... You wanna sell out a limited qty box set fast? Maybe produce manufacture and warehouse the issue then make the announcement with immediate availability! with all the hype and sneak peaks, put a counter on the web site and when the numbers start to roll down. Heads will be snapping them up in record time. Just a thought....
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Submitted by saintstephen1971 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:00

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Hey Dave where are you? What's the go? Taken the money and run?
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Submitted by Nanno-1974 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:06

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It must be nice to work for Rhino/GD. I would be fired if I missed a major deadline... I'm unimpressed with the professionalism, or should I be impressed with the chaotic semi-functioning business model?
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Submitted by saintstephen1971 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:14

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...there's a plan..think about it.... Maybe they've had so few pre-orders for the FTW box - that they're delaying boxzilla to coincide with that release and include it as a freebie for all 30 trips pre-orders... To be fair that's really not really a value-add (esp. for the various f*** ups along the way) - but it would be better than nothing - certainly better than a bonus disc of Vince tunes that's for sure...... Saying that...maybe they're preparing a Bad Trips bonus disc lol...wave to the wind > samba in the rain > long way to go home > childhood's end etc... Dave...we await your response...and maybe then you can address the 100s of unanswered questions about the FTW box too...

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Submitted by floridabobaloo on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:21

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Like a pileup on the freeway at 5 pm on a holiday weekend. Ain't never a good time for this kinda thing.
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:33

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....wow!! I myself am a patient man and can wait, but the emails leading up to this event are a bit concerning. $700 is quite a bit of scratch. Some respect would be nice. $100 off the top would ease the pain. $150 would be better....now onto Garcia's Shining Star cd....a diamond in the rough....and it seems pretty rough out there....
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Submitted by dantian on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:41

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why we never got an un-boxing video or photos of the insides; you need to have an actual product in order to reveal it.
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Submitted by saintstephen1971 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:48

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I've spoken to the Dead.net team - the issue is the names around the box - until they were manufactured, no-one had realised that they had missed Vince's name off (Bobby did the same when he forgot to invite Vince on the Other Ones tour right) - an easy mistake to make lol.... No dramas here.....but that's the scoop ;)
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Submitted by drshakedown74 on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:53

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Your not rolling into Lockn right now, thursday is cancelled
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Submitted by MinasMorgul on Wed, 09/09/2015 - 20:54

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philledawg, dedhead76, lol talk about your pacifists - everyone who bought a set has a right to complain, especially considering the history of poor customer service and spotty product quality from these clowns. wow, was someone at customer support nice to you on the phone? that's sweet. businesses that operate like this get hosed by the better business bureau all of the time, because it's consumer abuse. i can see you guys hollering across the prison cell at each other while bubba's showing you who's boss "ez stop complaining, no big deal, there's worse things in liiiFFE"
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