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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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  • #6631
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    Speaking of Decline
    Yeah Palmer, you bring up a good point. What happened to Bob Weir's guitar sound in the late 70s? I want to call it choppy flamenco, but I don't know why I want to call it that. It's something in the tone of his guitar that changed a whole bunch. I may be morphing into pre-hiatus guy....I've always maintained that they were better with just Billy on drums, and that almost anything they played on the Europe '72 tour sounded better in '72 than it did after the hiatus (Bertha, Cold Rain, New Minglewood ((Ladies & Gentlemen - wow)), Ramble On, Sugar Magnolia, Promised Land, Deal, the list goes on. But there was so much good stuff I like in 77/78 - Scarlet Fire, Music Never Stopped, Estimated Eyes, Help-Slipknot-Franklin, The Wheel, Samson, the list goes on.
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    For the Shakedown Sessions, I don't think it was that he wasn't welcome to the studio, its that there were days that he didn't even show up, especially towards the end. Jerry, in particular, was pissed and asked John Kahn to finish. He even has keyboard credits on the album. Wouldn't that qualify to some of the comments at least? I also think Keith's playing is brilliant for most of his career with the Dead, and I often spend large amounts of time listening to the Keith Years. I also think band members opinions count. So there's a lot to this, but most importantly I don't recall any significant volume of people bashing Keith's playing on this thread. ..and if there are some comments you might not like, they are almost always in response to someone stirring the pot with Brent bashing, which certainly offends people. I was just highlighting that for a host of reasons Feb '17th was their last show, so lets be thankful for what we have instead of dwelling on what we cannot impact. It is what it is. That's all, nothing personal.
  • #6633
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    Just finished listening Row Jimmy from 3/20/77. Keith sounds great backing up Jerry's fine, lyrical solo, but is clobbered by every hit of Mickey's bass drum. I think this was mentioned a few weeks ago; very apparent to me on this track. To my ears, it sounds like there was a change in the mix from 76 to 77; more emphasis on the drums(esp. bass drum), and a less "crispy" bass, making the overall sound a little muddier than it was.
  • #6634
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    I love the keyboard/era debates!
    I don't agree that "old" topics, such as era- and keyboard debates should be retired. This day's posts has been the most interesting here to me in weeks: from floridabobs culture reflections all through the Keith decline discussion. Almost anything that generates a flurry of thoughtful posts seems cool to me as long as it's civil. As a lifelong Deadhead, I think the era/keyboard debate is perfectly relevant and (for me) endlessly fascinating (well, nearly endlessly). I'm extemely conflicted and ambivalent about most of the Dead's post-hiatus music and have been that way for >35 years. Where else can we talk about these things? If we only stuck to the forum topic, we all know these threads dry up quickly and become boring as all hell. My guess is that,era/keyboard discussions generate the most interest here, despite complaints about "old, well worn" topics. Anyone really bored can just scroll though topics that don't interest them. I did draft a long post to contribute to the Keith decline discussion but lost the draft. Basically, I agree with LoveJerry. Keith sounds fine to me in the late 70's but as someone pointed out, he seems very low in the mix. Yes, there is a huge difference in Keith's playing E72 and May 77; but the same could be said for Phil and Bobby's playing. How could anyone not notice a similar decline in their playing? Listen to any of Bob and Phil's playing from the late 70's compared to, say Fillmore 2/69, E72, or WInterland 73. Night and day.
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    hahahaha What?? He stole Jerry's stash??
    No wonder he wasn't welcome (and no wonder he couldn't finish the Shakedown Street session). Hey hey, Jerrylover, don't drag my name in the mud lol. I only said he was a fair pilot. No but really Keith Moon was like the tazmanian devil with drumsticks. If anyone has heard his live stuff from Tommy and Live at leads, in that '69 - '70 zone, you know what I'm talking about. I can understand why Clapton or Baker (I forget which one) would have given that snide expression when asked about Moon's talent compared to Baker, because Ginger was great, a time keeper, an arranger, and so much more than a drummer when it came to making music, but Moon was off the rails excellent, and completely untouchable from '68 - '73. But if you compiled the best live 2 hours of Moon with the best live 2 hours of Baker, Moon is a step or two ahead. What Baker brought to music composition, Moon brought to live performance.
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    I am asking "us" because "us" are the folks who frequently say Keith's playing declined without a lick of evidence to substantiate that assertion. Forget what you've read on Wikipedia or wherever, since it's not exactly a well documented topic, and listen to the music - where is it? Did Phil really say that? If he said it, is it true? In a court of law it's nothing more than hearsay. Give me a song or just recognize that every time someone comments that his playing declined is probably going off the Wiki quote or the comment from Blair Jackson's book (thanks for sharing, never saw it before), but a couple of off-handed subjective remarks do not make it true, and they don't hold up to scrutiny, which is my main point. People are regurgitating hearsay that does not hold up to scrutiny - no wonder politicians lie so much - it's so easy to pass lies off as truth to the masses. It's actually kind of scary. It would be interesting to scan this site for the past several months to see how often this unsubstantiated rubbish was repeated. I kind of feel bad for Donna. And the reason I didn't bring up anything like drug use or marital problems is because it has nothing to do with my argument, which is simply that his playing did not suffer on the stage, and I have the tapes to prove it :-) Or maybe I don't - I am willing to admit I was wrong or uninformed, which is why I posted in the first place - to find out if anyone can point to a performance where his playing was off. Keithfan mentioned Keith Moon - at least when his playing was said to have declined before his death, you can hear it in recordings (Kilburn 1977, Who Are You). That I believe, because it's well documented and easy to hear.
  • #6637
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    Of course I agree with LoveJerry - not because I'm a Keith fan, but because it's true - there is really very little primary source evidence that Keith's playing deteriorated. Wikipedia? Even if Phil said it, ex-bandmates deride each other all of the time, it's the single most predictable type of slander they throw at one another. I'm sure he nodded off at the wheel a few times, but that's hardly a deterioration in skills. Not that it's a good thing. But I get LoveJerry's sentiment, which I might also add was not an argument about the reasons he left the band so much as a defense of his playing. So while yeah, some folks have pointed out that there was drug use and whatever, the main point is that folks comment about Keith's deterioration of skill on here all the time, presumably because they read a Wiki quote or Blair Jackson comment - yet the evidence, the music betrays the notion that there was anything substandard in his playing. If I'm reading her post accurately she's just asking someone to point out which songs/shows/period demonstrates this decreased ability to play, and indignant (correct me if I'm wrong JerryLover) that when the topic of his departure comes up, everyone always says he couldn't play, he couldn't play, he couldn't play. I have, myself tried to substantiate that claim that he could no longer play, but just can't find it. The proof should be in the pudding, but it's not. Long live Keith. Both of them - Keith Moon drummed circles around Ginger - he just colored out of the lines a lot.
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    Why ask us? We didn't kick him out of the band. There's a few factors you are not bringing up besides his playing. I don't think any of us question he was a brilliant piano player loaded with talent. But.. First there was his escalating drug use. By late '78 Keith had a heroin addiction (and for that matter so did Jerry). Towards the end of Shakedown Street, Keith couldn't even be found to finish the keyboard tracks on some of the unfinished songs, so John Kahn of all people filled in and did them. In Rock Skully's book, Rock states Keith was rumored to have stolen Jerry's stash once, which really pissed off Jerry. Shortly after that, Keith wasn't part of the JGB. Can't ask any of them if its true because they've all passed by now.. but I don't think there's much doubt about their drug use and drug of choice in these years. There was also the relationship trauma. There were regular fireworks between Keith and Donna on a regular basis. Violent fights, trashed hotels, smash up derby's in the parking lots, ...drama.. tension.. yuk. And then there was his playing. I think his playing had diminished or at the very least was not consistent by late '78, early '79 and, well, the sad truth is.. you can't get rid of Jerry and I'm not sure if having two junkies in the band was something they wanted or could continue with. Keith and Donna wanted to leave too. I think she left a few shows early in one of the last tours because she couldn't take it either. Remember, they were trying to raise small kids at the time. So its well documented that the parting was mutual. I'm not sure what is to be accomplished by going down that rabbit hole. They left and they got a new piano player. We weren't there, but I imagine if we were and if we were privy to all the facts and details.. well, my guess is one way or another, that darkness had to give. One Edit: I read cousins reply (which was classic). Yes, amateur slide guitar hour. aaaack! Love ya Bobby... but on this one, I agree with my cousin. He supposedly started playing more slide to get the sounds he (they) wanted they keys. ..and yes, Donna in particular was drinking a lot, but Keith was chasing the dragon.
  • #6639
    JimInMD
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    I agree with your post. I think most people's minds on this are 'set like concrete'. The back and forth is usually non-productive, and I can't say I learn a ton from it.. especially when the posts come with barbs or put down another's tastes or preferences. I actually don't see the debate, I like the Keith years.. but spring '79 was their last hurrah, and enter the '80's and they got a new keyboard player. It is what it is. I am thankful someone pressed "record" on the tape deck, sit back and enjoy (or press skip if there's out there that doesn't tickle your pleasure bone).
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    Check out JGB live shows from 1978
    Some great stops along the way from Keith in 1978. And another vote for Red Rocks July 7-8, 1978. Tennesse Jed ; Passenger ; Peggy-O ; The Music Never Stopped Killer four piece combo to end first night 1st set
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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Submitted by wissinomingdeadhead on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 12:17

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Again what's this the 7th time in 10 days? I forgot I ordered the "condensed" version of 30 Trips I received it today. At first I thought it was a DVD but alas it's 30 Trips........1965-1995. The packaging is the same May 1977. To listen to CD 2 you have to remove CD 1 & to listen to CD 4 you have to remove CD 4. The booklet has a paragraph describing each song. What a nice surprise to come home to, I ordered it June 2nd when it appeared I wasn't going to be able to preorder the box set, MINIZILLA will tide me over until BOXZILLA arrives. It's 3:17 in Philly the kids should be walking through the door any minute. I'll give it a thorough listen tonight after I put them to bed.
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Submitted by claney on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 12:22

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For those of you who haven't gotten the email yet - be sure to check your junk mail. I've never had an email from Deadnet go to my junk mail folder until today. Anyway, that's where it was. Dantian - I'm trying to wait to listen to Lindley when it comes out, but thank you very much for letting us know the banter is in there. Very good news. EDIT - I did sneak a peak at the book. I didn't realize 6/17/75 is not in the Vault. That's a bummer. Guess their choice for that year truly was made for them ;)
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Submitted by 4evergr8ful on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 12:21

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I was gonna tell keith...unfortunately he's not doing much my friend..I fortunately got the chance to meet him before he passed..nice guy...a shame really..what more can one say
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Submitted by Ridin that Train on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 12:27

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I know man. Tragic about Vince. Really broke my heart. He was a good guy, very under rated and appreciated in my opinion. He was a true believer in the good ole' Grateful Dead and brought a lot of style to the band during their last years.
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Submitted by chastason on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 12:43

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> but I'm personally not a fan of the color-swapping album/show > covers. If the covers were all different, I couldn't do this: http://imgur.com/SyLZIe2 (spoiler) Seriously, though, I wish they would have done something with era-appropriate art for each release, but I am still tickled at the notion that this massive box will be in my life (likely) before Halloween.
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Submitted by BobPigPenDylan on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 12:43

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I don't want to follow a string of bad vibes around the Box, but a thought just struck me- why has the book always been advertised as being 288 pages long when the pdf is only 169 pages? A book printed with 100+ fewer full-colour pages will make quite a difference in the cost of the book. Did they reduce the size of the book to save costs or because they didn't have enough material? Sampling the shows, there's outstanding music here and it's worth it to own these great concerts. I just don't understand why dead.net made so many promises (long book, sept. 18th release date, reveals throughout the waiting period, best product ever) and they have kept so few of the promises. The only thing we don't know yet is the quality of the finished product, and I want to remain positive, but what has dead.net done to assure us of the quality of the finished product? The 7000+ people who just paid $700-$1000 dollars in 2015 for 20+ year old music deserve the product we were promised. Otherwise, we all should have waited for the inevitable digital downloads.
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Submitted by chastason on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 12:46

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> but a thought just struck me- why has the book always been > advertised as being 288 pages long when the pdf is only > 169 pages? Each PDF page = 2 printed pages is my guess. That doesn't work for each of the pages, but most of them look they are just two pages side by side.
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Submitted by dantian on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 12:49

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I wonder if each cover shows the planets in their actual positions on those dates, or if it's just random. I love the concept though. Claney, I couldn't resist taking a quick listen just to find that out.
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Submitted by kemo on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 12:51

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Yes indeed sad about Vince unfortunately he was inflicted with depression. He has got a pretty hot solo album definitely worth checking. Now I'm on 1995. I'm going from the front to the back and then to the front again and keep progressing/regressing until I get to Neptune. Also listened to the caution/box hope that is a download at some point for the us turntables impaired. Very good day indeed!
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Submitted by kemo on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 12:51

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Yes indeed sad about Vince unfortunately he was inflicted with depression. He has got a pretty hot solo album definitely worth checking. Now I'm on 1995. I'm going from the front to the back and then to the front again and keep progressing/regressing until I get to Neptune. Also listened to the caution/box hope that is a download at some point for the us turntables impaired. Very good day indeed!
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Submitted by kemo on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 12:51

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Yes indeed sad about Vince unfortunately he was inflicted with depression. He has got a pretty hot solo album definitely worth checking. Now I'm on 1995. I'm going from the front to the back and then to the front again and keep progressing/regressing until I get to Neptune. Also listened to the caution/box hope that is a download at some point for the us turntables impaired. Very good day indeed!
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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 12:51

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Beginning from... the beginning and so far so good. The '66 show is hot! Highlights include nice early (obviously) jamming in Dancin, Viola Lee and Midnight Hour. Good harmonies in He Was a Friend of Mine. Great versions of New Minglewood and Cream Puff War. Pig is every bit the frontman. Lots of good banter too and our first appearance of Bill Graham at the end of the show. Up next you ask? Bring on '67.
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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 12:52

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Well, winding down with Liberty now. I was really surprised at how good this show was, considering nothing's been released from '95 until now. Foolish Heart is one of the first Dead songs I ever heard, and this is one of the better versions. And the older songs sounded great - Vince fits in the mix a little more smoothly than Brent IMHO, so I wasn't distracted by the keyboards and backing vocals. I just read a couple more articles on Vince - sad story, he may be my new keyboard hero. Looking forward to the rest of the shows he played on.
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Submitted by chastason on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 12:55

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Around 3 minutes in during Minglewood, it sounds like they had to patch a cassette(?) flip with an AUD. No mention of it in the book, so maybe info will be found on the individual cd sleeve. I have a road trip next week, and I had planned to really dig into the boxset, so now I have to settle for grabs of the stream (sound quality won't make much difference in the car). Oh well ... I'll survive!
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Submitted by ryanpm1976 on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 13:00

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Went first to 10/12/84... this show is stellar! That is all.
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 13:26

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yep vince was in the tubes, dont fall in love, she's a beauty. and the articles implied (from reading years ago, so dont trust my memory)that he got very depressed in 2009 when they did not invite him for that reunion. dont know if that is true or not. the tubes were around in the early 70's if i remember. think they played some of the old dance halls. edit: even though i still have not heard a lot of the 90's stuff, i am looking forward to giving it a twirl. but if it was true that they left Vince's name off the box, that is a little depressing. also, why wouldn't they invite Vince for the 2004(?) and 2009 dead tours?
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 13:39

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Help this old mind out... Was the really really really comment a reference to Parrish in the movie?
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Submitted by chastason on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 13:41

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> He was a good guy, very under rated and appreciated in > my opinion. An online friend of mine knew Vince; well enough to hang out on off days, etc., and he has nothing but nice things to say about him. I asked him once if there was much truth about what Vince attempted on Ratdogs's bus (and Weir's reaction), and he told me that while it's grossly simplified, there is some truth there. So sad, even if only some of it is true. Here's the basic gist, but please bear in mind my comments above): https://www.reddit.com/r/gratefuldead/comments/2vlx0n/the_treatment_of_…
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 13:45

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i remember reading you had ordered the 4 disk set...too funny you forgot and it showed up. jokingly-maybe you need to balance your cc statement more often. smile but seriously, great scam today is nickel and diming people's credit card trying to get money out of folks that never check their statement. ok too much seriousness
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Submitted by rdevil on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 13:53

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Anyone remember the old newsgroup message board in the 90s? I remember that someone posted before the Greensboro show, "There's a grand piano on stage. Looks like Bruce sitting in tonight ". Then someone responded, "You're online at the venue ???" That seemed surprising at the time.

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Submitted by floridabobaloo on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 13:57

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Yes the Vince story is very heartbreaking.Honestly I will say I am surprised many times how much mystique covers the truth with the Dead. Some of these guys conducted themselves, their interactions with others, and their lives very poorly. And yet, there's this sacredness surrounding them. At the end of the day, they're just men. The hazy hippy bullshit of the Haight was a delusion, fun as it might have been. Those of us old enough to have lived through it know that. The music is one thing. The people making it and the quality of their humanity is a totally different thing. There's an old saying, Nice Guys Finish Last. And another, You Don't Get to the Top by Being a Nice Guy. Sadly, there's a good deal of truth in both. Be careful when you idolize artists, or anyone, you really know nothing about. Your gonna be disappointed all too often.
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 13:58

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thanks for the link man time does fly, days become years become decades. did not realize he has been dead almost ten years, wow... where does the time go indeed. a separate thread... i know it is not true, but years ago there was guy ranting that Brent died the last day of that tour. he went on to say he watched as they bagged him up and put him into the back of the equipment truck. no way that can be true, but people spew crap all day long. i try to at least say i dont know but this is what i heard or remember...
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Submitted by fluffua 01 on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 14:02

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for saying these streams can travel. I didn't want to open John Doe's box (Seven reference.Happy Anniversary)Did 66 first and now on to my weak points of the 80's patched in from the iPad to stereo. can not wait for physical copies. hope they let us keep the streams so we can save the discs
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Submitted by fluffua 01 on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 14:06

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I agree I thought it was awesome listening to them learn how to play and find their harmonies together. It made me want to be on the bus
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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 14:07

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Thanks for the article, very interesting. wow what a way to go. I wonder why they didn't invite him in 2004 or 2009 or whenever it was. Well, one show makes not a career, but with the exception of Dead Set and Go To Nassau, this '95 show from 30 Trips has been the most enjoyable post-Keith show I've listened to.
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Submitted by fluffua 01 on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 14:11

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Jesus give us the BOX! MILL'S!(Dave) what's in the BOX!I can wait Dave it's okay. If the streams are any indication (I've listened to 2 shows) This BADMOTHERFUCKER is worth every penny without including that kick ass looking box. GREAT DAY TO BE A HEAD. HAPPY LISTENING
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 14:13

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great post...i tried to engage others weeks ago on this very topic but got no response. their is a definite problem or issue. the debate 3-4 weeks ago was selling the box on ebay. people were pissed at heads, saying that is not how heads should treat each other. not going to rehash all of those long dissertations but i asked the question. what do you think Jerry/Robert meant when they sang... Gone are the broken eyes we saw through in dreams, long gone both DREAM and LIE. Jerry recognized it, Robert knew it, the band understood. Their dream of changing the world with LSD and music was a lie. It quickly got smacked down by the man (sorry could not help myself) and the unstoppable reality of the world. Can we change? Absolutely! Can we work as a community and help each other? Absolutely. But the dream died when the summer of love came crashing down on them as crime (hard drugs and hard life dealers, rapes, lack of food and health care) became something the community was not prepared for. I love what the diggers stood for, and wavy and the hog farm, and the pranksters, it is just sometimes reality (or truth) is hard to deal with. Enjoy the music, love the band...but don't get sucked into the Lie. Absolutey keep your heads in the clouds but feet firmly planted on the ground, in reality. In the words of John Lennon, imagine. (another lie) but imagine Putin trippin the light fantastic! Would it change the world? Aint no way
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Submitted by rrot on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 14:21

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I have only listened to the first couple of tracks here. And it is making me think back on something I learned from the Bob Weir movie on Netflix: these guys were playing this stuff in strip clubs! What a thing to have missed. Hey now. The packaging for the condensed set, I feel I must point out to correct an earlier misstatement, is definitely NOT the same as for the May 1977 box. That was CDs slipped into individual slots in stiff card/cardboard pages that folded out. This is CDs in snap-in plastic trays. And it is awful. To hear disc 2 or disc 4, you're forced to remove a disc you don't want just so that you can get access to the disc you do want. Also the disc releases are so very stiff that you almost feel you are going to break the disc pressing the release down. Dear gawds. Please don't have done something this stupid on the big box.
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 14:23

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in the spring of 95 i worked for da gubment. so got the world wide web real early (actually had my first email address in 1989). man what a dumbass i am for not seeing the opportunity...i should be a billionaire. and no i am not here spying on people.
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Submitted by chastason on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 14:26

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> I wonder why they didn't invite him in 2004 or 2009 or whenever> it was. My opinion is that Weir was pissed that Vince would try to kill himself, while on tour, on the Ratdog bus, as Weir was struggling to keep music going after losing someone so very close. The last thing Weir may have felt he needed was more drama, and could have felt insulted that Vince would act out in that manner, in a way that would cause great impact to other band-mates, while on tour. I'm not suggesting that Vince was trying to hurt his friends, but I could see how one would feel that. (oh, another AUD patch on 10/27/79 in Other One, around 7 min in).
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 14:36

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thanks great insight...sometimes we all get so selfish we don not realize the impact of our actions on others. group hug edit: never really dawned on me that they were trying to keep the music alive...what a fool i can be. guess i need to go to atlanta and nashville to support the remaining fellas
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Submitted by Jackstrawdavect on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 14:31

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I don't know about any of you guys and gals but I've been bouncing up and down the number line from song to show to year to venue. I finally had to stop for some friggin continuity. I'm lucky enough to be on Cape cod for a few days so I took to the obvious..1979 cape cod coliseum and I'm not touching a thing until I hear the whole show. Hope you are all enjoying whatever your favorite eras are. Or as most will say "ALL"
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Submitted by chilly1214 on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 14:54

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So how many of us are having this problem? I've seen a couple comments on this problem.(Kate,nm) I'm kinda bummed. My card has been charged, I've received an email conformation, but when I go to order status there is no streaming player or link. I've emailed customer service and will probably give them a ring. Until then guess I'm banished with a few other ones.
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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 15:09

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I couldn't help myself and 1975 is now streaming LOUDLY through my surround system and Bose speakers. And it is melting my face. OMG the raunchy tone and volume of Jerry's solo on Franklin's Tower is reminiscent of DaP 11 Me & My Uncle. Fantastic. Oh wow he just said cowboy tune. I can't take it. I didn't even look at the setlist....Truckin'???? 1975 Truckin'????
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Submitted by Dusty.rambler@… on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 15:08

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Check your pm. Enjoy.
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Submitted by FennarioXRDS on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 15:12

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Do you go to order status and then lookup your order? What browser are you using?
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Submitted by Jackstrawdavect on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 15:17

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Now you are making me want to change up the program again LOL. The 79 show has a stand alone franklins I'm slowly getting to. and ? This show also has an easy to love you, I wasn't expecting it, when was the first time played? Not a huge fan of the song but this one is, I guess, primal??
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Submitted by chilly1214 on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 15:17

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Thanks for that Dusty. And Fen, I'm just using safari as I always have. Is it a mac issue? I hadn't thought of that, but again have never had any problems in the past.
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Submitted by dedhed76 on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 15:32

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Just heard the 10/27/79 patch in The Other One, not a good sounding aud recording. I was a little disappointed with the Dew from Augusta '84 as that has a patch too. Oh well, life goes on. Very thrilled listening to the Golden Gate Park '75. Peaking Grateful Dead.
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Submitted by FennarioXRDS on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 15:35

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Might be a safari thing, I don't know. I wouldn't think so, though. What do you see on your order lookup page after you enter your order # and zipcode and click lookup? TThis is what I see and then below this are the links: Item 1 Description 30 Trips Around The Sun Box Quantity 1 Status Backordered Estimated Ship Date October 31, 2015 Item 2 Description 30 Trips Around The Sun Streaming Access Quantity 1 Status Shipped
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Submitted by chilly1214 on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 15:44

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I just see the normal order status page. Item 1 backordered the name and address info etc. It's exactly like when you preordered months ago. I need to ring them. It's all good though it will get fixed. And because Deadheads are so kind I've been given a nice surprise that will keep me happy in the meantime.
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Submitted by klaussmith on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 15:51

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1979-05-09_Broome County Arena Binghamton, NYMy first China-Rider, very good show. 1979-10-28 Cape Cod Coliseum, South Yarmouth MA The transition jam is very nice and the Rider flat out rocks, major Phil Bombs. 1979-12-01_Stanley Theater Pittsburgh, PA A very nice version from a great show, the Rider being better than the China Cat or Jam IMHO. Jerry belts the “Wish I was a Headlight” line and the final jam smokes. 1980-04-01_Capitol Theatre Passaic, NJ This “I know you Rider” has one on the tightest, most energetic closing jams you have ever heard. Not a well know show. The "April Fool's" Promised Land was awsome. 1980-05-10_Hartford Civic Center Hartford, CT Another great 1980 China> Rider, from one of the best Pre-Drum sets ever. Smokin' 1980-05-06_Rec Hall, Penn State U State College, PA The final jam goes at least once more around than usual. Weir is strumming like a mad man and Lesh as many power chords, great version. RT Vol. 3 No. 4. 1980-09-06_State Fairgrounds Lewiston, ME I remember this show well, When they started China> Rider my buddy Toad came over, “Woow, man they’re not going to take a break tonight”, understandable as this was the 11th song of the 1st set and then a Promised Land to boot. Great, Great version and the whole show is one of my favorites
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Submitted by Born Cross Eye… on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 17:18

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With these 29 shows contained in this 30 Trips release, about how many shows, both full an partial have been released so far? Estimates? With "partial" I mean full sets, most of a set, but not 3-4 songs from any given set. If the release is missing two or three songs from the said release, that is still OK. For example, Road Trips Volume 2, Number 4 (5/26-27/93 Cal Expo) is pretty much OK because here you're missing most of Rhythm Devils> Space but have most of the 26th show You also have quite a bit from the 27th show, with the bonus disc included. On the other end, Road Trips Volume 1, Numbers 1 & 2 don't really count too much because they just have a few songs for each show that was tapped into and all rearranged to fit a different concept. Footnotes or add-ons, really if one has to include these shows somewhere. Both are good releases in my opinion and should not be overlooked. The same with Live/Dead, Skullfuck, Europe 72 (the original 1972 release), Reckoning, Dead Set, Without A Net, etc. All are compilation albums of sorts. A "ball park figure" I would guess 150 to 160 shows, full and partial have been released so far. Your guess ...
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 17:25

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....the BEST one that has ever landed in my inbox. 1966 sounds fukin grate. Garcia's inner Dick Dale is singing sweet. WOW....just wow. Tastebud....
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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 18:15

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The band actually did bring the WoS over to Europe! Somehow, I did not remember that. No wonder they took a break after Winterland in October. I'm really getting into the .pdf and all the tasty factoids. Did any of you freaks have your story or art featured?-edit- I see oroboros's classic in there on p. 137! nice.
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Submitted by MilesM on Fri, 09/18/2015 - 18:01

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For something obscure that might not be the first thing you listen to on this box. I pick the 92 show to break the ice. The Same Thing is blowin me away right now. So these are the years they were on a decline. Ha don't think so
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