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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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  • #6631
    KeithFan2112
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    Speaking of Decline
    Yeah Palmer, you bring up a good point. What happened to Bob Weir's guitar sound in the late 70s? I want to call it choppy flamenco, but I don't know why I want to call it that. It's something in the tone of his guitar that changed a whole bunch. I may be morphing into pre-hiatus guy....I've always maintained that they were better with just Billy on drums, and that almost anything they played on the Europe '72 tour sounded better in '72 than it did after the hiatus (Bertha, Cold Rain, New Minglewood ((Ladies & Gentlemen - wow)), Ramble On, Sugar Magnolia, Promised Land, Deal, the list goes on. But there was so much good stuff I like in 77/78 - Scarlet Fire, Music Never Stopped, Estimated Eyes, Help-Slipknot-Franklin, The Wheel, Samson, the list goes on.
  • #6632
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    For the Shakedown Sessions, I don't think it was that he wasn't welcome to the studio, its that there were days that he didn't even show up, especially towards the end. Jerry, in particular, was pissed and asked John Kahn to finish. He even has keyboard credits on the album. Wouldn't that qualify to some of the comments at least? I also think Keith's playing is brilliant for most of his career with the Dead, and I often spend large amounts of time listening to the Keith Years. I also think band members opinions count. So there's a lot to this, but most importantly I don't recall any significant volume of people bashing Keith's playing on this thread. ..and if there are some comments you might not like, they are almost always in response to someone stirring the pot with Brent bashing, which certainly offends people. I was just highlighting that for a host of reasons Feb '17th was their last show, so lets be thankful for what we have instead of dwelling on what we cannot impact. It is what it is. That's all, nothing personal.
  • #6633
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    Just finished listening Row Jimmy from 3/20/77. Keith sounds great backing up Jerry's fine, lyrical solo, but is clobbered by every hit of Mickey's bass drum. I think this was mentioned a few weeks ago; very apparent to me on this track. To my ears, it sounds like there was a change in the mix from 76 to 77; more emphasis on the drums(esp. bass drum), and a less "crispy" bass, making the overall sound a little muddier than it was.
  • #6634
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    I love the keyboard/era debates!
    I don't agree that "old" topics, such as era- and keyboard debates should be retired. This day's posts has been the most interesting here to me in weeks: from floridabobs culture reflections all through the Keith decline discussion. Almost anything that generates a flurry of thoughtful posts seems cool to me as long as it's civil. As a lifelong Deadhead, I think the era/keyboard debate is perfectly relevant and (for me) endlessly fascinating (well, nearly endlessly). I'm extemely conflicted and ambivalent about most of the Dead's post-hiatus music and have been that way for >35 years. Where else can we talk about these things? If we only stuck to the forum topic, we all know these threads dry up quickly and become boring as all hell. My guess is that,era/keyboard discussions generate the most interest here, despite complaints about "old, well worn" topics. Anyone really bored can just scroll though topics that don't interest them. I did draft a long post to contribute to the Keith decline discussion but lost the draft. Basically, I agree with LoveJerry. Keith sounds fine to me in the late 70's but as someone pointed out, he seems very low in the mix. Yes, there is a huge difference in Keith's playing E72 and May 77; but the same could be said for Phil and Bobby's playing. How could anyone not notice a similar decline in their playing? Listen to any of Bob and Phil's playing from the late 70's compared to, say Fillmore 2/69, E72, or WInterland 73. Night and day.
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    hahahaha What?? He stole Jerry's stash??
    No wonder he wasn't welcome (and no wonder he couldn't finish the Shakedown Street session). Hey hey, Jerrylover, don't drag my name in the mud lol. I only said he was a fair pilot. No but really Keith Moon was like the tazmanian devil with drumsticks. If anyone has heard his live stuff from Tommy and Live at leads, in that '69 - '70 zone, you know what I'm talking about. I can understand why Clapton or Baker (I forget which one) would have given that snide expression when asked about Moon's talent compared to Baker, because Ginger was great, a time keeper, an arranger, and so much more than a drummer when it came to making music, but Moon was off the rails excellent, and completely untouchable from '68 - '73. But if you compiled the best live 2 hours of Moon with the best live 2 hours of Baker, Moon is a step or two ahead. What Baker brought to music composition, Moon brought to live performance.
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    I am asking "us" because "us" are the folks who frequently say Keith's playing declined without a lick of evidence to substantiate that assertion. Forget what you've read on Wikipedia or wherever, since it's not exactly a well documented topic, and listen to the music - where is it? Did Phil really say that? If he said it, is it true? In a court of law it's nothing more than hearsay. Give me a song or just recognize that every time someone comments that his playing declined is probably going off the Wiki quote or the comment from Blair Jackson's book (thanks for sharing, never saw it before), but a couple of off-handed subjective remarks do not make it true, and they don't hold up to scrutiny, which is my main point. People are regurgitating hearsay that does not hold up to scrutiny - no wonder politicians lie so much - it's so easy to pass lies off as truth to the masses. It's actually kind of scary. It would be interesting to scan this site for the past several months to see how often this unsubstantiated rubbish was repeated. I kind of feel bad for Donna. And the reason I didn't bring up anything like drug use or marital problems is because it has nothing to do with my argument, which is simply that his playing did not suffer on the stage, and I have the tapes to prove it :-) Or maybe I don't - I am willing to admit I was wrong or uninformed, which is why I posted in the first place - to find out if anyone can point to a performance where his playing was off. Keithfan mentioned Keith Moon - at least when his playing was said to have declined before his death, you can hear it in recordings (Kilburn 1977, Who Are You). That I believe, because it's well documented and easy to hear.
  • #6637
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    Of course I agree with LoveJerry - not because I'm a Keith fan, but because it's true - there is really very little primary source evidence that Keith's playing deteriorated. Wikipedia? Even if Phil said it, ex-bandmates deride each other all of the time, it's the single most predictable type of slander they throw at one another. I'm sure he nodded off at the wheel a few times, but that's hardly a deterioration in skills. Not that it's a good thing. But I get LoveJerry's sentiment, which I might also add was not an argument about the reasons he left the band so much as a defense of his playing. So while yeah, some folks have pointed out that there was drug use and whatever, the main point is that folks comment about Keith's deterioration of skill on here all the time, presumably because they read a Wiki quote or Blair Jackson comment - yet the evidence, the music betrays the notion that there was anything substandard in his playing. If I'm reading her post accurately she's just asking someone to point out which songs/shows/period demonstrates this decreased ability to play, and indignant (correct me if I'm wrong JerryLover) that when the topic of his departure comes up, everyone always says he couldn't play, he couldn't play, he couldn't play. I have, myself tried to substantiate that claim that he could no longer play, but just can't find it. The proof should be in the pudding, but it's not. Long live Keith. Both of them - Keith Moon drummed circles around Ginger - he just colored out of the lines a lot.
  • #6638
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    Why ask us? We didn't kick him out of the band. There's a few factors you are not bringing up besides his playing. I don't think any of us question he was a brilliant piano player loaded with talent. But.. First there was his escalating drug use. By late '78 Keith had a heroin addiction (and for that matter so did Jerry). Towards the end of Shakedown Street, Keith couldn't even be found to finish the keyboard tracks on some of the unfinished songs, so John Kahn of all people filled in and did them. In Rock Skully's book, Rock states Keith was rumored to have stolen Jerry's stash once, which really pissed off Jerry. Shortly after that, Keith wasn't part of the JGB. Can't ask any of them if its true because they've all passed by now.. but I don't think there's much doubt about their drug use and drug of choice in these years. There was also the relationship trauma. There were regular fireworks between Keith and Donna on a regular basis. Violent fights, trashed hotels, smash up derby's in the parking lots, ...drama.. tension.. yuk. And then there was his playing. I think his playing had diminished or at the very least was not consistent by late '78, early '79 and, well, the sad truth is.. you can't get rid of Jerry and I'm not sure if having two junkies in the band was something they wanted or could continue with. Keith and Donna wanted to leave too. I think she left a few shows early in one of the last tours because she couldn't take it either. Remember, they were trying to raise small kids at the time. So its well documented that the parting was mutual. I'm not sure what is to be accomplished by going down that rabbit hole. They left and they got a new piano player. We weren't there, but I imagine if we were and if we were privy to all the facts and details.. well, my guess is one way or another, that darkness had to give. One Edit: I read cousins reply (which was classic). Yes, amateur slide guitar hour. aaaack! Love ya Bobby... but on this one, I agree with my cousin. He supposedly started playing more slide to get the sounds he (they) wanted they keys. ..and yes, Donna in particular was drinking a lot, but Keith was chasing the dragon.
  • #6639
    JimInMD
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    I agree with your post. I think most people's minds on this are 'set like concrete'. The back and forth is usually non-productive, and I can't say I learn a ton from it.. especially when the posts come with barbs or put down another's tastes or preferences. I actually don't see the debate, I like the Keith years.. but spring '79 was their last hurrah, and enter the '80's and they got a new keyboard player. It is what it is. I am thankful someone pressed "record" on the tape deck, sit back and enjoy (or press skip if there's out there that doesn't tickle your pleasure bone).
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    Check out JGB live shows from 1978
    Some great stops along the way from Keith in 1978. And another vote for Red Rocks July 7-8, 1978. Tennesse Jed ; Passenger ; Peggy-O ; The Music Never Stopped Killer four piece combo to end first night 1st set
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 10:08

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"There cannot be too much '67 / early '68 released, according to me." You have my vote Mayor Chastason
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Submitted by simonrob on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 10:26

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I think lots of people got into bluegrass through various bluegrass bands' connections with The Byrds. Certainly that is how I first came across Country Gazette, Clarence White and the Kentucky Colonels and The Dillards. I saw Country Gazette live in Portsmouth in the mid '70s and they were just great, spectacular even. I was also lucky enough to see The Dillards at the Empire Pool in Wembley. I only ever got to see Clarence White with The Byrds in 1970. Shagrat Records have recently released Lawrence Hammond's second and until now unreleased solo album both on CD and vinyl (2LPs). http://shagratrecords.com/shagrat_sales_sclawrence01.html If I remember correctly, the LSE was something of an infamous hotbed of radicalism in the late '60s / early '70s. Must have been an interesting time to be there.
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Submitted by Dusty.rambler@… on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 10:36

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I also bought a new spring 90 Too from ebay. That tray was not damaged when I received it but quickly ripped when I removed the book. If you get a new one, don't touch it or use it. Put it in a glass display case and admire it's undamaged beauty. It is poorly constructed and will not hold up.
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Submitted by Paul Bandey on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 11:43

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Dilemma solved (i.e. whether to spoil the pleasure of one day receiving the Big Box by listening to the streams)! I have to admit I couldn't resist dabbling a bit: the '66 show, natch, and a bit of '72 and '74 because I was there, plus a snatch of '95 to see how it all ended up (nice!). But no more dabbling now since Amazon.fr just kindly delivered me the 4 CD dilettante's version and that should keep me happy until the big day. PS It was delivered along with the new Keith Richards Crosseyed Heart. I know Keef recently dissed the Dead but I forgive him. He had other fish to fry.
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Submitted by Alain on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 11:48

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It's my Uncle John's Band preferred ! The final jam, jazzy, is fantastic.
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 11:48

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Is that maybe good day?
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Submitted by claney on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 12:01

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I tried to hold off on listening to the stream, aside from a brief sample of each show to get a feel for the sound. But I couldn't do it. Like others, I'm going to wait to listen to my projected favorites (I'm looking at you 1967-69, and 1972-77, and 1979-85). Those will have to wait. Listening to 1971 right now. Me and Bobby McGee is sublime. Loser is great except for Phil's high "harmony." Holy crap. Donna bashers need to listen to that and then compare it to her contributions. Anyway, a BIG thumbs up on this show already.... PS - Never cross the streams!
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Submitted by claney on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 12:02

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Hey jrf - love that avatar pic. Is it by any chance the Grand Teton from the vicinity of Death Canyon, towards the Idaho side?
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Submitted by Paul Bandey on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 12:05

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Byrds '70. That'd have been the good ol' Albert Hall, right? I was there, bro. Nice to nearly meet you. PS Agree about their wide-reaching influence. I also discovered the ones you mention through them - plus, of course Gram and the Burritos!
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 12:43

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Thanks Florida for the turn on. I had not heard of Norman Blake, sounds great. So many great pickers and players round here. Shoot I have friends that sit in a garage for fun and just rip it. Was heading to a business meeting Saturday and going down the road (feelin groovy), there was a sign for a festival this weekend. Just said "Annual Bluegrass Festival." with an arrow pointing down some Dark Hollow (holler). Edit: Wierd thing about the friends, only one have I have able to turn on to the GOGD. He also just recently discovered the ABB, and he lived in the same town and crossed paths with ABB family in the early 80's.
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Submitted by Dogon on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 12:10

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Gary, grootjes= greetings in Dutch.I didnt attend the LSE, just went to the gigs! It did, for a short period have a similar reputation as the university of Nanterre, though revolution was no longer the flavour of the month by the time of the gigs, though Country Joe did try a spot of rabble rousing at the end of the show when the lights came on... Simonrob, yeah, my experiance is pretty much the same as yours, the Byrds connections opened up lots of doors... I know the Hammond stuff, I even had the John Derre tractor song on a Corbett (exYoungbloods) album in a previous lifetime! I guess we could have rubbed shoulders a few times 40 odd years ago without knowing it! Where are you based in the Netherlands?
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Submitted by annalee10 on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 12:12

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Need to reconfigure my cd shelf. We have a pretty picture of the box, but I cant figure out how big it is....maybe 10 inches by 20 inches. Probably bigger. What do you think?
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Submitted by Paul Bandey on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 12:15

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...for the word up. Never knew Lawrence Hammond, but I certainly remember from forty-odd years ago that wonderful song John Deere Tractor - as performed by Jerry Corbitt (RIP) of the Youngbloods.Still sing it sometimes when remembering my early '70s days as a proto-new age farm worker. Will be listening to Lawrence Hammond for sure. Thanks.
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Submitted by simonrob on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 12:21

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Groetjes = greetings
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Submitted by simonrob on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 12:28

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For me it was at the Bath Festival of Blues and Progressive Music at Shepton Mallett, the same day as Led Zeppelin, Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna, Santana, Dr. John, Flock, The Moody Blues & Country Joe McDonald. All in all a pretty good day, but being a UK festival, it rained.
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 12:32

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If I have to spend 90-95% of my time listening to the fellas, how do I find time to listen to all of this other great stuff. This goes back to the discussions several weeks back about great concerts. There are acts from those lists I am trying to investigate. Now I am high as hell on caffeine, one for you Doc, and pumped to go see my friends pickin in the garage.
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Submitted by simonrob on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 12:32

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I'm in Maassluis, about 15km west of Rotterdam. 4 consecutive posts - and all different!
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 12:38

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Question: How well do you speak Dutch? Was it hard to learn? When I was there, one could hear the foundation in the base language of Latin in that you could hear distinct English and German words. How would you say, May I have another space cake? Smile
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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 13:01

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My guess from the pics and a guess at the contents is a squarer and a little larger than E72 (but not too much). More of a rectangle than suitcase shaped. ..but I am merely guessing.

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Submitted by floridabobaloo on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 13:15

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Very nicely played sir!
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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 13:41

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..wow. There is so much here is such few posts. I have a few separate comments. _______ First.. Norman Blake (fantastic, not surprised our amigo from FL mentioned him). _______ Then Aereo Plain. Produced by David Bromberg. He's performing again after doing nothing but restoring antique and valuable violins for the better part of the last 30 years. Mega talented guy and I have been fortunate to see him on several occasions. Then there is the line-up. John Hartford Norman Blake Vassar Clements Tut Taylor Randy Scruggs _______ Then there is mention of who was influenced by the Birds and Graham Parson & the Flying Burrito Brothers. I left these together because they are country cousins. Now.. who wasn't influenced by these two bands. The connections are widespread enough to crash Ancestry.com That's Americana gumbo music there. I'm a big Burrito amigo.. _______ ..but I can't leave this post without the two most influential faces in Bluegrass. First, unquestionably Bill Monroe and I know its obvious.. but.. Second is Garcia's Bluegrass toy. I recall hearing that, believe it or not, the second most influential band in bluegrass was Old and In The Way.. that they brought it to the white punks on dope mainstream. I could be wrong and this might face some scrutiny.. but maybe there is something to this. Great posts guys.. oh, and Gary F. You need to take some advise from our good friend the forensic doc. Drink More Coffee = Listen to More Music. It works for some of us.

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Submitted by floridabobaloo on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 13:17

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Bluegrass is a big fun world! Explore my friend, let YouTube be your guide........
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 13:18

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I would say 12X12X12 as there were 12 members but that may not be big enough...
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Submitted by simonrob on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 13:21

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is an abomination. I hereby offer my excuses to Roland Bruynesteyn (a native Dutch speaker) if he reads this, but it seems something went horribly wrong during the development of the Dutch language, with the unfortunate result that the grammar is just plain weird to say the least. I was never good at languages being more of a science person so even after living here for 30 years it is still something of a problem. I can communicate verbally without any trouble but if I have to write a letter or send an e-mail then Í find it really hard as the grammar has to be good - grammatical errors are so much more obvious in written text. May I have another space cake? Mag ik nog een spacecake? There are, naturally, plenty of shops where one can buy spacecake which is handy - as life should be.
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Submitted by simonrob on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 13:24

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A true giant of American music. Essential listening. I was fortunate enough to see him perform solo one time. He is sorely missed.

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Submitted by floridabobaloo on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 13:25

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Is from the lower Central Fla area, Winter Haven is the spot.A friend wrote a book on him not long ago. Author is Bob Kealing. Bob wrote a killer book on another icon that hung in this area ya'll know. Jack Kerouac! few know he lived in Orlando when On the Road hit big and made him huge and he wrote Dharma Bums in a little bungalow in College Park Orlando. Both books on Amazon For those that dig it look up Kerouac House in Orlando. They do a fine writers program in the house. Time Travel............
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 13:27

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should have figured you would have a great Bluegrass post. I did see Bill Monroe twice, but that is back on the who saw what discussion. I have had probably two pots of coffee today, can't come down. Know it would make Doc proud. I think Old and in the Way was the top selling blue grass album for 30+ years until the soundtrack for "O Brother Where Art Thou" came along. Of course that leads us to Ralph Stanley and Union Station... With all my musical tastes, I had to go on about a decade of withdrawal and fasting due to other life factors. I am now trying to get back in the saddle.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 13:35

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That's really funny. I get that about English all the time. I can get by in many languages and have no problem whatsoever. For example: One beer please una cerveza porfavor une bière s'il vous plait een bier graag ein Bier bitte Одно пиво пожалуйста بيرة واحدة من فضلك 请来一杯啤酒 However, I do sometimes find a way to screw up finding the bathroom in certain countries. That can be a big problem.
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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 13:55

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I got into Bluegrass thanks to the Greenbriar Boys, great 60's East Coast band. Speaking of Gram Parsons & the Burritos, I highly recommend First Aid Kit, a new(er) band from Sweden; two sisters with truly great harmonies.
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Submitted by claney on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 13:57

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Hi Gary - not to get all pedantic (sorry), but Dutch, English, and German (and Swedish, Danish, etc) are not derived from Latin. They are in the Germanic language family (hence the similar words you heard). Whereas the languages that derive from Latin include French, Spanish, Italian, Romanian... the "Romance" language family (because of their connection to the Roman Empire). Though southern Britain was part of the Roman Empire too, the Latin language was totally wiped out by the invading Germanic Angles and Saxons in the Early Middle Ages. The reason why English has so many words that are connected to Latin is because the Normans conquered England in 1066 and brought proto-French with them. This became overlaid on the Germanic English base. For example, the nobles for many decades spoke French, so the meat on their plate was something like "boeuf" which became "beef" -- and the Saxon/English peasants in the fields used the Saxon/Old English word, which became "cow." So to this day, we never say the "cow" on our plate looks good, we call it "beef." So lucky us, we have lots of differently derived words for the same thing. Okay, sorry about that unsolicited lecture (I'm a damn history professor), back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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Submitted by Paul Bandey on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 14:01

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So that makes twice we nearly met, Simon (I was at Bath too)
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 14:11

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great catch. I was buzzing too much on coffee to even edit myself. Question for my information. So how do the migrations of families work. I have always wondered about English and German. Have friends with the name Saunders and Sanders. I have never researched but guess I should; Anglo Saxon is the connection isn't it. Saxony was an original German province, so Anglo Saxon are the Anglish with roots in Saxony? So glad I know you are a history teacher, get ready to do some splaining... edit: guess this tie's into the main paragraph of your explanation but I still want to be taught. Do not like having to work for it...j/k

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Submitted by floridabobaloo on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 14:19

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That was very enjoyable. Merci!
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Submitted by simonrob on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 14:19

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"Though southern Britain was part of the Roman Empire too, the Latin language was totally wiped out by the invading Germanic Angles and Saxons in the Early Middle Ages." I beg to disagree here - I come from southern Britain and if latin was totally wiped out in the middle ages, why the fuck did I have to learn it at school?

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Submitted by floridabobaloo on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 14:25

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1970. Let it Be is issued. I hear it but on For you Blue. I have NO idea what the line Same Ole 12 Bar Blues means! Nor do I have a clue who Elmore James is...Listening to the record today...actually LIB Naked. Smiling like a fool remembering my ignorance.
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 14:27

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here we sit always having problems communicating because of language. I was sidetalking with Doc I think a couple weeks back about the Sop the Cerberus stuff. Yeah Simon, I too had two years of Latin and as I told Doc, I had to translate The Aeneid from Latin to English as a senior in HS. Did great on the translation but the story went over my head. And it is definitely difficult to communicate well on this board due to the fact (I think a fact) that 90% of communication is non-verbal. So as we cannot see each other it can be easy to piss someone off without meaning to...
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Submitted by KYTrips on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 14:34

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The Morning Dew from 1987 is EN FUEGO!!!! I put that show on for background music as I was slaving away here at the office and my face just partially melted off! Wow! Good stuff.
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Submitted by KYTrips on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 14:39

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I seem to recall that there was someone on Ebay trying to unload some of the extras from that box set. You might check there, despite the fact that your faulty box was purchased there. Good luck!
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Submitted by SAMTHARDMAN on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 14:43

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Keep bringing it guys! Love the back and forth! GP, The Buritos', Elmore, oh yea and that soul searching hippie band we all love so much! Not gonna stream. Although mighty tempting. I will dream a sweet dream tonight of The Shrine; circa 1967. Sammy T
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Submitted by jrf68@hotmail.com on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 15:16

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That is indeed the GRAND! The photo was taken about a week and a half ago by my beautiful older sister. She came out from N.C. for a little vacation & had never been up the tram at JHMR,so up we went.So this shot is actually from the top of Rendezvous Mountain(JHMR) looking due north. However,with such great zoom-in & focus on new cameras you are seeing Death Canyon there in front a bit.Good eye my friend!Cheers! :)
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 15:19

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Well have to head for now...another great day in deadland. Love it when everything is in copacetic harmony...(hmmm 50th box top cover) Let us push furthur. As the children migrated they brought with them whiskey (whikey) and roots music of England/Scotland. The southern preachers were some of the biggest distillers and of course the music of England/Scotland (cannot remember the term) became Bluegrass or mountain music with its rich history in the Appalachians. The mountain music (as well as the polyphonics and melodies of classical music based in the N.E.) pushed out beyond the Eastern region thanks to the grand ole opry and other stations, merged with African rhythms from new Orleans to create the next explosive art form. Simon/Dogon/Claney any input from history on any of these connections? Always like new discoveries. I am sure Simon you know the name of the old English roots music. Scotch Whikey became basically bourbon or Tennessee sippin whikey.
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Submitted by alvarhanso on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 15:18

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I've been listening in order (as is my plan again when the Box arrives), and I was trying to hold off on listening to the major jam of 11/14/73 until I was home, as I listened to the rest at work yesterday, but I listened since I'm stuck late. I noticed there was about a 2 minute AUD splice in the first Other One, and then about a minute in Wharf Rat. Oddly, I didn't recall those patches in the Miller SBD on the Archive, and there aren't any notes of patches on that one... The sound is very good on the box so far. The best sound so far has been the Shrine '67, '72, and what I've just started in the Paris '74 show. That is outstanding, even on these crappy work computer speakers. At home, the Shrine show just blasted out of my studio monitors, THAT is one of the best sounding releases I've ever heard. I'm digging this more than I imagined I could just a couple months ago. I may not have the box and goodies in hand, but I have been able to listen to some outstanding Dead! Thanks to Dave & Rhino for undertaking this behemoth project!
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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 15:21

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To my eyes are the most beautiful places in the contiguous 48 states. I climbed the middle 25 years ago (up and down in a day). Good fun, absolutely spectacular. I had my eyes on the Grand but it eluded me and that bird has flown. You are a lucky man jrf.. and you have excellent taste in music (and friends). Nice pic indeed.
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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 15:19

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I saw the Byrds twice in the early 70s at the Capitol Theater, Port Chester. That was an amazing band, Roger (Jim) McGuinn, Clarence White, Gene Parsons (no relation to Gram) and Skip Batton. The Byrds "Untitled" album is a classic. It was around 1976 living in western Montana that the significance of the Emmy Lou Harris, Gram Parsons,The Byrds, Burrito Brothers and yes even the Egos I mean the Eagles started to take on meaning for me. My friend Kit Walker from the band "The Stokers" out of Stevensville turned me on to Emmy Lou's first three albums, played the hell out of those LPs. Along around 1977 the Flying Burrito Brothers played at the Top Hat Bar in Missoula. It was Skip Batton and Gene Parsons from the Byrds, Gib Gilbeau out of Louisiana,and Sneeky Pete Kleinow. Sneeky Pete on pedal steel may have been the only original member. They killed it. Possibly the best music I ever took in at the Top Hat. Several years later(1982)I saw a completely different line-up of the Burritos at the Line Camp in Pojoaque, New Mexico. Not one original member and they bit the bagwan. Gram Parsons was visionary but also completely reckless. Clarence White with the Byrds was as I once heard possibly the greatest flat picker next to Doc Watson. (and Jerry)
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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 15:40

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..and sort of dead related. Gary, I think you have the jest of it and nice transition to distillation which brings us full circle to hairy hillbilly (which I think started it all off). Whiskey is a worthy subject too. Whiskey in the Jar (Irish folk? Scottish Folk??), Whiskey for Breakfast (Classic Norman Blake). ..and if you don't mind me talking a little liberty, whiskey and a little Live at the Boarding House on my front porch, sun setting over the mountains as I write this. I've had that CD for a couple months and have not given it a spin yet.. I will always have a soft spot for Old and In the Way. Thanks guys, have a good night. ______ One edit: I am trying hard to not stream some of this box. Its getting harder and harder to do. Happy hour contraband is Forged Oak Orphan Barrel. Pretty good stuff.
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Submitted by TheDude77 on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 15:47

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Yesterday I e-mailed that guy who was selling the CDs and extras from the Spring 1990 (TOO) box on eBay. He claims to have thrown out the rest of the box.
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Submitted by beatingthelilies on Tue, 09/22/2015 - 15:49

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Is it just me, or did this song take on an entirely new persona shortly after Brent joined the band? I just listened to the '79 version (compare the 2 years on the stream for yourself) and it's still got that older feel to it. By 1980, it seems that this song was starting to get its groove. Of course, by '89 it was just a powerhouse of fun. Even the FTW version was rockin'! I will say that Jerry shines on that '79 version, though ;-)
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