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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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October 14, 2015 - 4:44pm

#2491

lowspark75

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@Chastason

Looks like we pretty much got the same box. Yours is 30 editions after mine(0580) exactly and has the same pass/ticket. I have noticed the material on the bottom of my box, which looks like the rings of a tree, is already splitting/tearing in spots. That's a small bummer. Off to work... wish I could call in and Trip out. At least I have '66-'71 on my phone already to listen to while earning my pay.
October 14, 2015 - 4:41pm

#2492

wjonjd

Joined:
January 24, 2011

@Dead Tanuki

Sorry, I respectfully disagree. Although the wording was ambiguous on the dead.net site regarding the "memorabilia of the time", I do not think they meant to imply "originals" as they definitely did mean to imply with the released news for the current box. Even on the tickets included in the Hampton box, there is no attempt at all made to hide the fact that these are replicas: they each have WORLDWIDETICKETCRAFT.COM printed plainly on the back, a company that did not even exist until 1999. I'm willing to place a friendly wager on this, if you like :) I'm 99% sure of this, but I take back my left nut risk. Still, 99%. Would you like to wager on this?
October 14, 2015 - 4:38pm

#2493

JeffSmith

Joined:
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THE EAGLE HAS LANDED!

Box #3793 survived “mail innovations” without mishap and has landed safely in the mountains of west Texas. Everything looks just exactly perfect. With extra time to wait and read early reports, I was worried about what I’d find in the shipping box. I couldn’t be more pleased with what was inside (and I’m an artist). The 30 Trips Box was well conceived and has been beautifully executed. I trust those with damaged boxes get their problems corrected promptly. FYI: Red Felt Ticket: Cal Expo 5/27/93 (coincidentally my 50th birthday!) Pass: Charlotte Coliseum 3/22/95 My Grateful Dead Memory: included in the well-made book. BTW: One of the 4 phases of the moon on the top of the box was reported earlier to have “already rubbed off”, but it actually is featureless and represents a New Moon. I know: ENOUGH ALREADY! . . . TO THE MUSIC!
October 14, 2015 - 4:30pm

#2494

wjonjd

Joined:
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tickets and passes

I went online to find original GD tickets from the 80's or 90's mail order variety (as opposed to ticketmaster), looking for one that had excellent photos of front and back. One of the things I found is that on the back there is some writing, it looks like maybe from a stamp, sometimes in pinkish red ink, sometimes in greenish ink, barely visible because it is placed over the regular wording. Using a strong magnifying glass I could make out some of the words, including "international" and "copyright". The tickets included in the new box have this (at least mine does), but the ones in the '90 box do not. Also, because of counterfeiting problems in the late 80's and 90's, I believe you should be able to see something under an ultraviolet light, but I don't have one. I'd bet my left nut these are originals, as they said they were. As far as the passes, yes there obviously are lot less of these, but also a much higher percentage of all those printed for each show would actually be unallocated. Again, I bet that 6,500 out of 9 years of shows is a very small fraction of the number they actually have in the archive in pristine condition.
October 14, 2015 - 4:28pm

#2495

wjonjd

Joined:
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@Ziffle

I completely agree. My ears always adjust to whatever sound quality issues are in the recording, unless it's truly something unlistenable, which none of these even comes close to being. It never affects my enjoyment of the music, because as you said, I am very quickly immersed in the music itself at which point I am no longer even conscious of sound quality issues - I'm back into that musical space letting it take me where it will. But, yes, the switch to the AUD patches can be jarring. Someone mentioned that for the small patches it's not a big deal at all, and I agree. The only patch I remember lasting longer than a few seconds, or even a minute or so, is the 1981 show which has a substantial amount (about 30 minutes) as an AUD patch. I'm still glad they released this show - what are they gonna do, hold it back forever because they don't have the end except as an AUD. I'm fine with it.
October 14, 2015 - 4:14pm

#2496

Ziffle

Joined:
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wjonjd sfrank115 rrot Tape hiss is OK for me

The worst sound quality consensus that I get is 81 (for the aud patch) and 82 (for the hiss) as worst sounding shows. But I don't even hear hiss, my ears adjust. I think because I am old enough that I grew up on LPs that frequently had tape hiss. Actually, the presence of tape hiss is a plus in my opinion. It means that the engineer didn't use processing to suppress the hiss (and, almost inevitably, kill the delicate upper harmonics). I just listen through it and the mind/ear cancels it out, although I can understand it would be more of a blemish for folks that grew up with digital audio. So I'll take 1981 as the "worst" quality recording and start there. Thanks for the comments. I'm enjoying reading all the responses to the various shows and look forward to the day, some day, when they deliver the USB set!
October 14, 2015 - 4:09pm

#2497

dead tanuki

Joined:
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Tickets and passes

Here's what it says on dead.net about the Formerly the Warlocks box: "This collector’s set comes packaged in a wooden replica of a cigar box (Virginia being a tobacco state dating back to colonial times), and is filled with all sorts of goodies, from a photo-laden historical essay to various pieces of cool memorabilia from the time." Doesn't specify whether the tickets are replicas or originals. But it does say "various pieces of cool memorabilia from the time." Are we assuming that anything in that cigar box actually dates to 1989, physically? I've never assumed that. I kind of think "original" for the 30 Trips swag means the same thing as "from the time" does for the Warlocks box. It's "original" and "from the time" in the sense of being a faithful reproduction of original stuff that actually survives from the time in question...
October 14, 2015 - 4:02pm

#2498

dead tanuki

Joined:
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Tickets and passes

wjonjd, your math works, certainly. But let's just say it's a miracle that those extra tickets, which would have been considered basically trash at the time, were kept in archival conditions for decades *before being handed over to an archive*. And that doesn't account for the 6500 backstage passes, which would have been printed up in far smaller numbers to begin with, and numbers presumably far closer to what was actually required. And note that the passes in the 30 Trips box are also in mint condition. So I'm still skeptical. You're right that the promo material for the Spring '90 box specifies that the tix and passes are replicas. Then again, since that's promo material meant to convince people to buy the box, it may have had more careful lawyering on the language. Since everybody getting the email about the 30 Trips box had already paid for it, and nobody was expecting the ticket and pass, I could imagine whoever composed the email not being as careful about the wording. Not that I imagine any intention to mislead, just a hastily written email meant to forestall a bunch of Deadheads impatient for news of the box. I want to stress, for whatever GD organization people might be reading, that if these are repros, I'm not complaining! I'm as happy with a reproduction as I would be with an original. I'm listening to 11/10/67 now. Gawd this is good.
October 14, 2015 - 3:47pm

#2499

wjonjd

Joined:
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@Deat Tanuki

Sorry, my post must have come off not as I intended - I do that sometimes. I just meant to point out that I think they meant it when they said they're originals. I'll look for the equivalent materials in the Spring 90 boxes that said those were repros. I do know someone who is a very good friend of one of the original band members for many years. He has told me lots of stories over the years, and even just a good friend would normally get lots, or at least several, tickets to the shows, especially the later year stadium/arena shows. Just think how many were probably allocated to band members, road crew, production staff, venue executives and/or staff, etc. Large numbers of those probably went unused occasionally. The tickets they included are only from a few shows, but I think I saw at least what 10 or 11 different dates there. Let's say that 15 dates were included in all 6500 boxes. That's only 433 (average) per show. You don't think they have in their possession 430 tickets for venues that held over 20,000 (Oakland Coliseum holds over 60,000) ticketable seats? At 4 tickets per person, that's just over 100 people's worth of "extras". That doesn't even include any shows that weren't literally sold out (it looks like there are more tickets for some dates than others), or for which many tickets may have been held out of sale for some reason. 6,500 tickets spread over 9 YEARS of shows (I've seen tickets here range from 1986 thru 1995) is not very many. Edit: I would guess it's a fairly small fraction of the number of original tickets and passes that they have in their possession in the archives.
October 14, 2015 - 3:44pm

#2500

wjonjd

Joined:
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ticket stubs

Here is what is says (I think unchanged since it was originally put up) on the dead.net website about the contents of the Spring 90 TOO box (just a part of it, and my bolding): What's Inside: •144-page paperback book with essays by Nicholas G. Meriwether and Blair Jackson •A portfolio with three art prints by Jessica Dessner • Replica ticket stubs and backstage passes for all eight shows. •8 complete shows on 23 discs •3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD •3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT •3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario •3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY •3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY ...

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

chastason

"There cannot be too much '67 / early '68 released, according to me." You have my vote Mayor Chastason

Dogon...

I think lots of people got into bluegrass through various bluegrass bands' connections with The Byrds. Certainly that is how I first came across Country Gazette, Clarence White and the Kentucky Colonels and The Dillards. I saw Country Gazette live in Portsmouth in the mid '70s and they were just great, spectacular even. I was also lucky enough to see The Dillards at the Empire Pool in Wembley. I only ever got to see Clarence White with The Byrds in 1970. Shagrat Records have recently released Lawrence Hammond's second and until now unreleased solo album both on CD and vinyl (2LPs). http://shagratrecords.com/shagrat_sales_sclawrence01.html If I remember correctly, the LSE was something of an infamous hotbed of radicalism in the late '60s / early '70s. Must have been an interesting time to be there.

TheDude77...I sent a PM

@dude77

I also bought a new spring 90 Too from ebay. That tray was not damaged when I received it but quickly ripped when I removed the book. If you get a new one, don't touch it or use it. Put it in a glass display case and admire it's undamaged beauty. It is poorly constructed and will not hold up.

Works for me!

Dilemma solved (i.e. whether to spoil the pleasure of one day receiving the Big Box by listening to the streams)! I have to admit I couldn't resist dabbling a bit: the '66 show, natch, and a bit of '72 and '74 because I was there, plus a snatch of '95 to see how it all ended up (nice!). But no more dabbling now since Amazon.fr just kindly delivered me the 4 CD dilettante's version and that should keep me happy until the big day. PS It was delivered along with the new Keith Richards Crosseyed Heart. I know Keef recently dissed the Dead but I forgive him. He had other fish to fry.

jrf68

It's my Uncle John's Band preferred ! The final jam, jazzy, is fantastic.

Grootjes

Is that maybe good day?

Somebody say bluegrass?

Two words Norman Blake

Hey Doc! Diving into 71

I tried to hold off on listening to the stream, aside from a brief sample of each show to get a feel for the sound. But I couldn't do it. Like others, I'm going to wait to listen to my projected favorites (I'm looking at you 1967-69, and 1972-77, and 1979-85). Those will have to wait. Listening to 1971 right now. Me and Bobby McGee is sublime. Loser is great except for Phil's high "harmony." Holy crap. Donna bashers need to listen to that and then compare it to her contributions. Anyway, a BIG thumbs up on this show already.... PS - Never cross the streams!

jrf68 avatar

Hey jrf - love that avatar pic. Is it by any chance the Grand Teton from the vicinity of Death Canyon, towards the Idaho side?

We nearly met, simonrob

Byrds '70. That'd have been the good ol' Albert Hall, right? I was there, bro. Nice to nearly meet you. PS Agree about their wide-reaching influence. I also discovered the ones you mention through them - plus, of course Gram and the Burritos!

florida bluegrass

Thanks Florida for the turn on. I had not heard of Norman Blake, sounds great. So many great pickers and players round here. Shoot I have friends that sit in a garage for fun and just rip it. Was heading to a business meeting Saturday and going down the road (feelin groovy), there was a sign for a festival this weekend. Just said "Annual Bluegrass Festival." with an arrow pointing down some Dark Hollow (holler). Edit: Wierd thing about the friends, only one have I have able to turn on to the GOGD. He also just recently discovered the ABB, and he lived in the same town and crossed paths with ABB family in the early 80's.

Simonrob/Gary

Gary, grootjes= greetings in Dutch.I didnt attend the LSE, just went to the gigs! It did, for a short period have a similar reputation as the university of Nanterre, though revolution was no longer the flavour of the month by the time of the gigs, though Country Joe did try a spot of rabble rousing at the end of the show when the lights came on... Simonrob, yeah, my experiance is pretty much the same as yours, the Byrds connections opened up lots of doors... I know the Hammond stuff, I even had the John Derre tractor song on a Corbett (exYoungbloods) album in a previous lifetime! I guess we could have rubbed shoulders a few times 40 odd years ago without knowing it! Where are you based in the Netherlands?

How big is boxilla

Need to reconfigure my cd shelf. We have a pretty picture of the box, but I cant figure out how big it is....maybe 10 inches by 20 inches. Probably bigger. What do you think?

Thanks, simonrob...

...for the word up. Never knew Lawrence Hammond, but I certainly remember from forty-odd years ago that wonderful song John Deere Tractor - as performed by Jerry Corbitt (RIP) of the Youngbloods.Still sing it sometimes when remembering my early '70s days as a proto-new age farm worker. Will be listening to Lawrence Hammond for sure. Thanks.

Somebody say Norman Blake?

Two words Aereo Plain

Groetjes

Groetjes = greetings

Byrds '70

For me it was at the Bath Festival of Blues and Progressive Music at Shepton Mallett, the same day as Led Zeppelin, Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna, Santana, Dr. John, Flock, The Moody Blues & Country Joe McDonald. All in all a pretty good day, but being a UK festival, it rained.

dang addictions

If I have to spend 90-95% of my time listening to the fellas, how do I find time to listen to all of this other great stuff. This goes back to the discussions several weeks back about great concerts. There are acts from those lists I am trying to investigate. Now I am high as hell on caffeine, one for you Doc, and pumped to go see my friends pickin in the garage.

Dogon

I'm in Maassluis, about 15km west of Rotterdam. 4 consecutive posts - and all different!

Simon

Question: How well do you speak Dutch? Was it hard to learn? When I was there, one could hear the foundation in the base language of Latin in that you could hear distinct English and German words. How would you say, May I have another space cake? Smile

Re: Annalee

My guess from the pics and a guess at the contents is a squarer and a little larger than E72 (but not too much). More of a rectangle than suitcase shaped. ..but I am merely guessing.

Simonrob!

Very nicely played sir!

Bluegrass Influences

..wow. There is so much here is such few posts. I have a few separate comments. _______ First.. Norman Blake (fantastic, not surprised our amigo from FL mentioned him). _______ Then Aereo Plain. Produced by David Bromberg. He's performing again after doing nothing but restoring antique and valuable violins for the better part of the last 30 years. Mega talented guy and I have been fortunate to see him on several occasions. Then there is the line-up. John Hartford Norman Blake Vassar Clements Tut Taylor Randy Scruggs _______ Then there is mention of who was influenced by the Birds and Graham Parson & the Flying Burrito Brothers. I left these together because they are country cousins. Now.. who wasn't influenced by these two bands. The connections are widespread enough to crash Ancestry.com That's Americana gumbo music there. I'm a big Burrito amigo.. _______ ..but I can't leave this post without the two most influential faces in Bluegrass. First, unquestionably Bill Monroe and I know its obvious.. but.. Second is Garcia's Bluegrass toy. I recall hearing that, believe it or not, the second most influential band in bluegrass was Old and In The Way.. that they brought it to the white punks on dope mainstream. I could be wrong and this might face some scrutiny.. but maybe there is something to this. Great posts guys.. oh, and Gary F. You need to take some advise from our good friend the forensic doc. Drink More Coffee = Listen to More Music. It works for some of us.

Gary Farseer

Bluegrass is a big fun world! Explore my friend, let YouTube be your guide........

Jim Annalee

I would say 12X12X12 as there were 12 members but that may not be big enough...

The Dutch language...

is an abomination. I hereby offer my excuses to Roland Bruynesteyn (a native Dutch speaker) if he reads this, but it seems something went horribly wrong during the development of the Dutch language, with the unfortunate result that the grammar is just plain weird to say the least. I was never good at languages being more of a science person so even after living here for 30 years it is still something of a problem. I can communicate verbally without any trouble but if I have to write a letter or send an e-mail then Í find it really hard as the grammar has to be good - grammatical errors are so much more obvious in written text. May I have another space cake? Mag ik nog een spacecake? There are, naturally, plenty of shops where one can buy spacecake which is handy - as life should be.

John Hartford

A true giant of American music. Essential listening. I was fortunate enough to see him perform solo one time. He is sorely missed.

And Gram Parsons..........

Is from the lower Central Fla area, Winter Haven is the spot.A friend wrote a book on him not long ago. Author is Bob Kealing. Bob wrote a killer book on another icon that hung in this area ya'll know. Jack Kerouac! few know he lived in Orlando when On the Road hit big and made him huge and he wrote Dharma Bums in a little bungalow in College Park Orlando. Both books on Amazon For those that dig it look up Kerouac House in Orlando. They do a fine writers program in the house. Time Travel............

Jim

should have figured you would have a great Bluegrass post. I did see Bill Monroe twice, but that is back on the who saw what discussion. I have had probably two pots of coffee today, can't come down. Know it would make Doc proud. I think Old and in the Way was the top selling blue grass album for 30+ years until the soundtrack for "O Brother Where Art Thou" came along. Of course that leads us to Ralph Stanley and Union Station... With all my musical tastes, I had to go on about a decade of withdrawal and fasting due to other life factors. I am now trying to get back in the saddle.

Re: SimonRob

That's really funny. I get that about English all the time. I can get by in many languages and have no problem whatsoever. For example: One beer please una cerveza porfavor une bière s'il vous plait een bier graag ein Bier bitte Одно пиво пожалуйста بيرة واحدة من فضلك 请来一杯啤酒 However, I do sometimes find a way to screw up finding the bathroom in certain countries. That can be a big problem.

Bluegrass

I got into Bluegrass thanks to the Greenbriar Boys, great 60's East Coast band. Speaking of Gram Parsons & the Burritos, I highly recommend First Aid Kit, a new(er) band from Sweden; two sisters with truly great harmonies.

Dutch roots

Hi Gary - not to get all pedantic (sorry), but Dutch, English, and German (and Swedish, Danish, etc) are not derived from Latin. They are in the Germanic language family (hence the similar words you heard). Whereas the languages that derive from Latin include French, Spanish, Italian, Romanian... the "Romance" language family (because of their connection to the Roman Empire). Though southern Britain was part of the Roman Empire too, the Latin language was totally wiped out by the invading Germanic Angles and Saxons in the Early Middle Ages. The reason why English has so many words that are connected to Latin is because the Normans conquered England in 1066 and brought proto-French with them. This became overlaid on the Germanic English base. For example, the nobles for many decades spoke French, so the meat on their plate was something like "boeuf" which became "beef" -- and the Saxon/English peasants in the fields used the Saxon/Old English word, which became "cow." So to this day, we never say the "cow" on our plate looks good, we call it "beef." So lucky us, we have lots of differently derived words for the same thing. Okay, sorry about that unsolicited lecture (I'm a damn history professor), back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Byrds '70

So that makes twice we nearly met, Simon (I was at Bath too)

thanks Claney

great catch. I was buzzing too much on coffee to even edit myself. Question for my information. So how do the migrations of families work. I have always wondered about English and German. Have friends with the name Saunders and Sanders. I have never researched but guess I should; Anglo Saxon is the connection isn't it. Saxony was an original German province, so Anglo Saxon are the Anglish with roots in Saxony? So glad I know you are a history teacher, get ready to do some splaining... edit: guess this tie's into the main paragraph of your explanation but I still want to be taught. Do not like having to work for it...j/k

Claney

That was very enjoyable. Merci!

Latin...

"Though southern Britain was part of the Roman Empire too, the Latin language was totally wiped out by the invading Germanic Angles and Saxons in the Early Middle Ages." I beg to disagree here - I come from southern Britain and if latin was totally wiped out in the middle ages, why the fuck did I have to learn it at school?

What you learn in 45 years

1970. Let it Be is issued. I hear it but on For you Blue. I have NO idea what the line Same Ole 12 Bar Blues means! Nor do I have a clue who Elmore James is...Listening to the record today...actually LIB Naked. Smiling like a fool remembering my ignorance.

hahaha language

here we sit always having problems communicating because of language. I was sidetalking with Doc I think a couple weeks back about the Sop the Cerberus stuff. Yeah Simon, I too had two years of Latin and as I told Doc, I had to translate The Aeneid from Latin to English as a senior in HS. Did great on the translation but the story went over my head. And it is definitely difficult to communicate well on this board due to the fact (I think a fact) that 90% of communication is non-verbal. So as we cannot see each other it can be easy to piss someone off without meaning to...

Holy $%*t!!!!

The Morning Dew from 1987 is EN FUEGO!!!! I put that show on for background music as I was slaving away here at the office and my face just partially melted off! Wow! Good stuff.

1990 TOO extras

I seem to recall that there was someone on Ebay trying to unload some of the extras from that box set. You might check there, despite the fact that your faulty box was purchased there. Good luck!

Good good stuff!

Keep bringing it guys! Love the back and forth! GP, The Buritos', Elmore, oh yea and that soul searching hippie band we all love so much! Not gonna stream. Although mighty tempting. I will dream a sweet dream tonight of The Shrine; circa 1967. Sammy T

hey now claney

That is indeed the GRAND! The photo was taken about a week and a half ago by my beautiful older sister. She came out from N.C. for a little vacation & had never been up the tram at JHMR,so up we went.So this shot is actually from the top of Rendezvous Mountain(JHMR) looking due north. However,with such great zoom-in & focus on new cameras you are seeing Death Canyon there in front a bit.Good eye my friend!Cheers! :)

bluegrass-migrations-whikey

Well have to head for now...another great day in deadland. Love it when everything is in copacetic harmony...(hmmm 50th box top cover) Let us push furthur. As the children migrated they brought with them whiskey (whikey) and roots music of England/Scotland. The southern preachers were some of the biggest distillers and of course the music of England/Scotland (cannot remember the term) became Bluegrass or mountain music with its rich history in the Appalachians. The mountain music (as well as the polyphonics and melodies of classical music based in the N.E.) pushed out beyond the Eastern region thanks to the grand ole opry and other stations, merged with African rhythms from new Orleans to create the next explosive art form. Simon/Dogon/Claney any input from history on any of these connections? Always like new discoveries. I am sure Simon you know the name of the old English roots music. Scotch Whikey became basically bourbon or Tennessee sippin whikey.

splices

I've been listening in order (as is my plan again when the Box arrives), and I was trying to hold off on listening to the major jam of 11/14/73 until I was home, as I listened to the rest at work yesterday, but I listened since I'm stuck late. I noticed there was about a 2 minute AUD splice in the first Other One, and then about a minute in Wharf Rat. Oddly, I didn't recall those patches in the Miller SBD on the Archive, and there aren't any notes of patches on that one... The sound is very good on the box so far. The best sound so far has been the Shrine '67, '72, and what I've just started in the Paris '74 show. That is outstanding, even on these crappy work computer speakers. At home, the Shrine show just blasted out of my studio monitors, THAT is one of the best sounding releases I've ever heard. I'm digging this more than I imagined I could just a couple months ago. I may not have the box and goodies in hand, but I have been able to listen to some outstanding Dead! Thanks to Dave & Rhino for undertaking this behemoth project!

Tetons (and Yosemite)

To my eyes are the most beautiful places in the contiguous 48 states. I climbed the middle 25 years ago (up and down in a day). Good fun, absolutely spectacular. I had my eyes on the Grand but it eluded me and that bird has flown. You are a lucky man jrf.. and you have excellent taste in music (and friends). Nice pic indeed.

Clarence White

I saw the Byrds twice in the early 70s at the Capitol Theater, Port Chester. That was an amazing band, Roger (Jim) McGuinn, Clarence White, Gene Parsons (no relation to Gram) and Skip Batton. The Byrds "Untitled" album is a classic. It was around 1976 living in western Montana that the significance of the Emmy Lou Harris, Gram Parsons,The Byrds, Burrito Brothers and yes even the Egos I mean the Eagles started to take on meaning for me. My friend Kit Walker from the band "The Stokers" out of Stevensville turned me on to Emmy Lou's first three albums, played the hell out of those LPs. Along around 1977 the Flying Burrito Brothers played at the Top Hat Bar in Missoula. It was Skip Batton and Gene Parsons from the Byrds, Gib Gilbeau out of Louisiana,and Sneeky Pete Kleinow. Sneeky Pete on pedal steel may have been the only original member. They killed it. Possibly the best music I ever took in at the Top Hat. Several years later(1982)I saw a completely different line-up of the Burritos at the Line Camp in Pojoaque, New Mexico. Not one original member and they bit the bagwan. Gram Parsons was visionary but also completely reckless. Clarence White with the Byrds was as I once heard possibly the greatest flat picker next to Doc Watson. (and Jerry)

Great folk thread, folks

..and sort of dead related. Gary, I think you have the jest of it and nice transition to distillation which brings us full circle to hairy hillbilly (which I think started it all off). Whiskey is a worthy subject too. Whiskey in the Jar (Irish folk? Scottish Folk??), Whiskey for Breakfast (Classic Norman Blake). ..and if you don't mind me talking a little liberty, whiskey and a little Live at the Boarding House on my front porch, sun setting over the mountains as I write this. I've had that CD for a couple months and have not given it a spin yet.. I will always have a soft spot for Old and In the Way. Thanks guys, have a good night. ______ One edit: I am trying hard to not stream some of this box. Its getting harder and harder to do. Happy hour contraband is Forged Oak Orphan Barrel. Pretty good stuff.

@ KYTrips..

Yesterday I e-mailed that guy who was selling the CDs and extras from the Spring 1990 (TOO) box on eBay. He claims to have thrown out the rest of the box.

Jack Straw '80

Is it just me, or did this song take on an entirely new persona shortly after Brent joined the band? I just listened to the '79 version (compare the 2 years on the stream for yourself) and it's still got that older feel to it. By 1980, it seems that this song was starting to get its groove. Of course, by '89 it was just a powerhouse of fun. Even the FTW version was rockin'! I will say that Jerry shines on that '79 version, though ;-)

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