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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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September 12, 2015 - 11:38am

#4651

wurm79

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RE Watchya gonna listen to first?

Dig the post born cross-eyed. Here's the shows I'm probably going to dive into first. 1) 10/21/83 Worcester, MA - This show is appealing to me since it's a Brent Bday show, and I've never heard this show yet as well. It sounds like it could be a hot one, since it follows the Fall 83' Hartford run. 2) 6/24/85 Cincinnati, OH - Another mid-80's show that I haven't touched base with yet. Should be good since it's June 85' show. 3) 9/18/74 Dijon, France - Wall Of Sound.. I'm ready for some Phil bombs!! 4) 11/28/80 Lakeland, FL - Big fan of anything Fall 80'. This is the only November 80 show that I haven't heard yet.. Looks really good. 5) 3/18/71 St. Louis, MO - Really hot 71 show. It'll be nice to hear a official remastered version of this..
September 12, 2015 - 11:18am

#4652

bohlint

Joined:
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Re: Sound quality

Alvarhanso, thank you for your response. Would you or anyone out there mind explaining what determines if a show is mixed from a 2 track, 16 track, 24 track, ect. If 16 track was available for shows as far back as 69 shouldn't it be available for at least some of the other releases of lesser sound quality? For example, why was a 2 track mixed used for Spring 90 1, and a 24 track mix used for Spring 90 2 (The Other One Too) when all the shows were from the same tour. It seems like the 24 track mix should have been available for both boxes. And for the DaP's and RT's were 16 track mixes not available for some reason or did they opt not to use that method? Thanks again just trying to get a good grasp of this process!
September 12, 2015 - 11:11am

#4653

SPACEBROTHER

Joined:
June 4, 2007

Resale

Wishing for others misfortune? No. Expressing something about how it would make perfect sense to wait to have product in hand before committing to a resale by a specific date, only to have delays and before a proper inspection of the product to assure quality is the point I made. If I were a buyer who already paid money for a product in a second hand market, expecting it to arrive by a certain time, and expecting it to be exactly as described is what I would hope a seller would take into consideration. I would find late shipping and potential inferior product far more disturbing as a buyer than some friendly advice to potential sellers. Oh well. Some lessons are learned through trials and tribulations, and some salivate at creating imaginary conflict.
September 12, 2015 - 10:33am

#4654

unkle sam

Joined:
October 3, 2008

The Wait

Some great comments on this board about the postponement of shipping. Could be somebody dropped the ball, created a logjam, slacked off or procrastinated, and now we have this holding pattern of doubt and anger. It's a bit funny, the veracity of this setback creates a lot of downtime for some who were anticipating spending some quality time with the sounds. It could have been worse, could have been discontinued, or a filibuster could have been used to stop the release, or put into a permanent suspension, stalled in a endless holding pattern or lost in a long cooling off period. The setback has put to test the resolve of deadheads and this cunctation will pass. The sales pitch was "don't delay" order yours now, get it before it's too late, due to ship...the lag is hard to handle, but we will survive this jam. Others commented that they would cancel their order, or that the ship date is after the date that you can dispute a charge on your credit card. Others are afraid that the sound will suck, that it will be sloppy productions and bad or less than stellar mastering. Relax, why worry, it will all be ok, I worried once so much I was worrying why I wasn't worrying anymore. Anyone out there remember the Europe '72 box? I had 10 bad discs in that one, with several ripped cd cases made of cardboard, it took over a year, but it was all settled and all was replaced or refunded. I don't think dead-net or rhino is out to rip us off and the delay is better than the alternative - a sub par product that we all will complain about, or worse yet, return for a full refund. Could you imagine all these boxes coming back to rhino for a refund, that could be funny, as long as you didn't work there and have to deal with it. By and By, we will survive.
September 12, 2015 - 10:18am

#4655

alvarhanso

Joined:
January 16, 2014

sound quality

Spring '90 TOO and Europe '72 have the best sound quality, because they are from multitrack masters. The first Spring '90 set was mixed from a 2 track mix, the second was culled from a new mix of the 24 track masters. Europe '72 was remixed from the 16 track masters (as was Fillmore West '69), so Spring '90 TOO, Europe '72, and FW '69 ought to sound the best. Dave's Picks and Road Trips as well as Dick's Picks are from 2 track masters, so there are definite limitations in how much Jeffrey Norman can change the mix, such as to lower Donna, or bring up Bob. By using individual tracks, he can give you the feeling of being onstage as with Spring '90 TOO, or inside the Fillmore. 10/26/89 is one of the shows in 30 Trips that comes from a multitrack master, I think it was on a 16 track. Some people complain about the sound on the Formerly the Warlocks box, which also came from a 16 track source. I think it sounds good, but not great. I think the 30 Trips set will have a range of sound quality, and would expect 10/26/89 to be the best sounding. Hopefully they used multitrack masters on other later shows as well. As to rushing, I think they gave Mr. Norman a breather with the last Dave's Picks and chose one that had already been readied for release as Dave said the May '77 box was almost an April '78 mini-box of 4/21-24/78. I would think, they put the time and effort into getting the sound quality to be as high as they could. And I'll be listening in order from '66 to '95, so I can hear the evolution of the band's sound in an easy to discern and digest manner.
September 12, 2015 - 9:53am

#4656

Born Cross Eye…

Joined:
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Watchya gonna listen to first?

When reviewing the list of shows that are included in this release as they were revealed in June, a few shows came to mind that I wanted to hear first.1. 11/10/67 I had a bootleg CD sometime ago and it seemed to have a muddy sound, but great performance. I hope the official release cleans up the sound. 2. 10/27/79 I still have a sbd cd-rs of this show, I hope this official release improves the sound, also it's my birthday. 3. 10/27/90 I only streamed this show via Sennheiser HD480 headphones. again it's a b'day show! 4. 10/01/94 Sometimes ya just gotta get into 1994. 5. 02/21/95 sure beats those Chicago shows in July (of '95), in my opinion. 6. the 1968 thru 1977 shows - my favorites. Later on, I decided to play everything in order of year, similar to I have done with Europe 72 for the last five years.
September 12, 2015 - 9:01am

#4657

lgreen

Joined:
December 20, 2007

Sound Quality

I hope I am wrong but I fear the mastering has been very rushed indeed... if you go back and play the 'listening parties' on this site [as well as other sites like uncut] you will hear tracks - especially the 80s which are significantly below what we have grown used to with DPicks - obviously most of this is because the 80s soundboards are either cassette masters or very early digital tapes but the work done on DaveP 8 and DickP 32 show with time and care in the mixing you can overcome a lot of the drawbacks. None of the samples offered so far for 79 to 88 suggest this work has been done... even the 89 sample [from a multi-track] sounds 'unmixed' in that Brent's voice and keyboard dominate in a way that they addressed in Spring 90 1&2 I really do hope that I am wrong but I fear this will be a very expensive lost opportunity and I say this having ordered my set on the first date and acknowledging I am still very excited in anticipation... Perhaps we should have all gone for the USB as the high-res files for Spring 90 1 sound stunning through even a mid level portable player
September 12, 2015 - 8:52am

#4658

Ziffle

Joined:
July 21, 2015

RE: Packaging is a big part

If you copy the USB to a hard drive, transcoding to Apple Lossless at 44.1/16 bits, put the whole lot in iTunes. You can burn the CD's from iTunes easily. But they will NOT be HDCD encoded! Just ordinary CD quality if you want something better than the 320 mp3's included for listening in the car. On a Mac this can be accomplished easily as a batch operation using freeware XLD by setting the following preferences in XLD: In the "General" preference, set output format to Apple Lossless, click the option button, and set "Sample Rate" to 44.1, and "Bit Depth" to 16. Below that is "Output Directory" click the "Specify" button, and then click "Set" to tell the app where to put the files. In the "Batch" preference, make sure that "Preserve directory structures" IS selected, and make sure that "Delete original files" is NOT selected. Then close the preference, and use the usual File menu "Open" and select all of the folders (or however they deliver the USB version) of FLAC files, and go have a cup of coffee and cut the lawn (if you have one) or whatever. It will take as long as an hour, depending on how fast your processor is. This is very easy and XLD is a great reliable application. Then, burn away at will. I'm sure that there is equivalent and easy to use Windows software that will accomplish the task, but I don't know anything about that. Maybe someone else can provide a Windows explanation.
September 12, 2015 - 8:49am

#4659

bohlint

Joined:
September 9, 2015

Sound Quality?

Happy Saturday Deadland. I have a question regarding the sound quality of this release. Please keep in mind that I am not very well versed in the technology of recording. In my opinion from listening to the releases over the years The Other One is easily the best dead mix I have heard. I revisit those CD’s often and love them. The Europe 72 releases also sound great to my ear as well. I believe I can hear a big difference between these and the Dave’s Picks and Road Trip series. Is there any way of knowing what to expect with the CD’s in this release. Mixing is one of the most time consuming and costly parts of a release, right? Is there concern that they may have rushed this or was it done right? Thanks in advance!
September 12, 2015 - 7:39am

#4660

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Re: Credit Card Dispute

I think it depends on the card.. but I had an issue a few years back that went back much more than 30 days and AmEx investigated the matter and refunded me 100%. ..but I'm still holding out hope that this will be a decent release. There are several shows in this offering that have my attention, some old, plus Cape Code, Augusta and MSG. I think I am somewhere in the middle of BrianHahne and OneMan in listening habits. For E72, Brian (must have) started with a few dozen pots of coffee and didn't sleep until he listened to the whole box. One Man must be close to finishing his first listen now, but needs to review and re-write some of his notes as the Staples near his home has run out of paper (again). (kidding folks). I expect it to take me on the heavy side of six months to get through this monstrosity. ..and I doubt if I really hit too much other stuff so I am getting in my diversity now. Doc Watson yesterday, Summertime, when the livin's easy. Man that guy can pick.. super clean. Good Luck FH2 and everyone else.

John Perry Barlow

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

chastason

"There cannot be too much '67 / early '68 released, according to me." You have my vote Mayor Chastason

Dogon...

I think lots of people got into bluegrass through various bluegrass bands' connections with The Byrds. Certainly that is how I first came across Country Gazette, Clarence White and the Kentucky Colonels and The Dillards. I saw Country Gazette live in Portsmouth in the mid '70s and they were just great, spectacular even. I was also lucky enough to see The Dillards at the Empire Pool in Wembley. I only ever got to see Clarence White with The Byrds in 1970. Shagrat Records have recently released Lawrence Hammond's second and until now unreleased solo album both on CD and vinyl (2LPs). http://shagratrecords.com/shagrat_sales_sclawrence01.html If I remember correctly, the LSE was something of an infamous hotbed of radicalism in the late '60s / early '70s. Must have been an interesting time to be there.

TheDude77...I sent a PM

@dude77

I also bought a new spring 90 Too from ebay. That tray was not damaged when I received it but quickly ripped when I removed the book. If you get a new one, don't touch it or use it. Put it in a glass display case and admire it's undamaged beauty. It is poorly constructed and will not hold up.

Works for me!

Dilemma solved (i.e. whether to spoil the pleasure of one day receiving the Big Box by listening to the streams)! I have to admit I couldn't resist dabbling a bit: the '66 show, natch, and a bit of '72 and '74 because I was there, plus a snatch of '95 to see how it all ended up (nice!). But no more dabbling now since Amazon.fr just kindly delivered me the 4 CD dilettante's version and that should keep me happy until the big day. PS It was delivered along with the new Keith Richards Crosseyed Heart. I know Keef recently dissed the Dead but I forgive him. He had other fish to fry.

jrf68

It's my Uncle John's Band preferred ! The final jam, jazzy, is fantastic.

Grootjes

Is that maybe good day?

Somebody say bluegrass?

Two words Norman Blake

Hey Doc! Diving into 71

I tried to hold off on listening to the stream, aside from a brief sample of each show to get a feel for the sound. But I couldn't do it. Like others, I'm going to wait to listen to my projected favorites (I'm looking at you 1967-69, and 1972-77, and 1979-85). Those will have to wait. Listening to 1971 right now. Me and Bobby McGee is sublime. Loser is great except for Phil's high "harmony." Holy crap. Donna bashers need to listen to that and then compare it to her contributions. Anyway, a BIG thumbs up on this show already.... PS - Never cross the streams!

jrf68 avatar

Hey jrf - love that avatar pic. Is it by any chance the Grand Teton from the vicinity of Death Canyon, towards the Idaho side?

We nearly met, simonrob

Byrds '70. That'd have been the good ol' Albert Hall, right? I was there, bro. Nice to nearly meet you. PS Agree about their wide-reaching influence. I also discovered the ones you mention through them - plus, of course Gram and the Burritos!

florida bluegrass

Thanks Florida for the turn on. I had not heard of Norman Blake, sounds great. So many great pickers and players round here. Shoot I have friends that sit in a garage for fun and just rip it. Was heading to a business meeting Saturday and going down the road (feelin groovy), there was a sign for a festival this weekend. Just said "Annual Bluegrass Festival." with an arrow pointing down some Dark Hollow (holler). Edit: Wierd thing about the friends, only one have I have able to turn on to the GOGD. He also just recently discovered the ABB, and he lived in the same town and crossed paths with ABB family in the early 80's.

Simonrob/Gary

Gary, grootjes= greetings in Dutch.I didnt attend the LSE, just went to the gigs! It did, for a short period have a similar reputation as the university of Nanterre, though revolution was no longer the flavour of the month by the time of the gigs, though Country Joe did try a spot of rabble rousing at the end of the show when the lights came on... Simonrob, yeah, my experiance is pretty much the same as yours, the Byrds connections opened up lots of doors... I know the Hammond stuff, I even had the John Derre tractor song on a Corbett (exYoungbloods) album in a previous lifetime! I guess we could have rubbed shoulders a few times 40 odd years ago without knowing it! Where are you based in the Netherlands?

How big is boxilla

Need to reconfigure my cd shelf. We have a pretty picture of the box, but I cant figure out how big it is....maybe 10 inches by 20 inches. Probably bigger. What do you think?

Thanks, simonrob...

...for the word up. Never knew Lawrence Hammond, but I certainly remember from forty-odd years ago that wonderful song John Deere Tractor - as performed by Jerry Corbitt (RIP) of the Youngbloods.Still sing it sometimes when remembering my early '70s days as a proto-new age farm worker. Will be listening to Lawrence Hammond for sure. Thanks.

Somebody say Norman Blake?

Two words Aereo Plain

Groetjes

Groetjes = greetings

Byrds '70

For me it was at the Bath Festival of Blues and Progressive Music at Shepton Mallett, the same day as Led Zeppelin, Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna, Santana, Dr. John, Flock, The Moody Blues & Country Joe McDonald. All in all a pretty good day, but being a UK festival, it rained.

dang addictions

If I have to spend 90-95% of my time listening to the fellas, how do I find time to listen to all of this other great stuff. This goes back to the discussions several weeks back about great concerts. There are acts from those lists I am trying to investigate. Now I am high as hell on caffeine, one for you Doc, and pumped to go see my friends pickin in the garage.

Dogon

I'm in Maassluis, about 15km west of Rotterdam. 4 consecutive posts - and all different!

Simon

Question: How well do you speak Dutch? Was it hard to learn? When I was there, one could hear the foundation in the base language of Latin in that you could hear distinct English and German words. How would you say, May I have another space cake? Smile

Re: Annalee

My guess from the pics and a guess at the contents is a squarer and a little larger than E72 (but not too much). More of a rectangle than suitcase shaped. ..but I am merely guessing.

Simonrob!

Very nicely played sir!

Bluegrass Influences

..wow. There is so much here is such few posts. I have a few separate comments. _______ First.. Norman Blake (fantastic, not surprised our amigo from FL mentioned him). _______ Then Aereo Plain. Produced by David Bromberg. He's performing again after doing nothing but restoring antique and valuable violins for the better part of the last 30 years. Mega talented guy and I have been fortunate to see him on several occasions. Then there is the line-up. John Hartford Norman Blake Vassar Clements Tut Taylor Randy Scruggs _______ Then there is mention of who was influenced by the Birds and Graham Parson & the Flying Burrito Brothers. I left these together because they are country cousins. Now.. who wasn't influenced by these two bands. The connections are widespread enough to crash Ancestry.com That's Americana gumbo music there. I'm a big Burrito amigo.. _______ ..but I can't leave this post without the two most influential faces in Bluegrass. First, unquestionably Bill Monroe and I know its obvious.. but.. Second is Garcia's Bluegrass toy. I recall hearing that, believe it or not, the second most influential band in bluegrass was Old and In The Way.. that they brought it to the white punks on dope mainstream. I could be wrong and this might face some scrutiny.. but maybe there is something to this. Great posts guys.. oh, and Gary F. You need to take some advise from our good friend the forensic doc. Drink More Coffee = Listen to More Music. It works for some of us.

Gary Farseer

Bluegrass is a big fun world! Explore my friend, let YouTube be your guide........

Jim Annalee

I would say 12X12X12 as there were 12 members but that may not be big enough...

The Dutch language...

is an abomination. I hereby offer my excuses to Roland Bruynesteyn (a native Dutch speaker) if he reads this, but it seems something went horribly wrong during the development of the Dutch language, with the unfortunate result that the grammar is just plain weird to say the least. I was never good at languages being more of a science person so even after living here for 30 years it is still something of a problem. I can communicate verbally without any trouble but if I have to write a letter or send an e-mail then Í find it really hard as the grammar has to be good - grammatical errors are so much more obvious in written text. May I have another space cake? Mag ik nog een spacecake? There are, naturally, plenty of shops where one can buy spacecake which is handy - as life should be.

John Hartford

A true giant of American music. Essential listening. I was fortunate enough to see him perform solo one time. He is sorely missed.

And Gram Parsons..........

Is from the lower Central Fla area, Winter Haven is the spot.A friend wrote a book on him not long ago. Author is Bob Kealing. Bob wrote a killer book on another icon that hung in this area ya'll know. Jack Kerouac! few know he lived in Orlando when On the Road hit big and made him huge and he wrote Dharma Bums in a little bungalow in College Park Orlando. Both books on Amazon For those that dig it look up Kerouac House in Orlando. They do a fine writers program in the house. Time Travel............

Jim

should have figured you would have a great Bluegrass post. I did see Bill Monroe twice, but that is back on the who saw what discussion. I have had probably two pots of coffee today, can't come down. Know it would make Doc proud. I think Old and in the Way was the top selling blue grass album for 30+ years until the soundtrack for "O Brother Where Art Thou" came along. Of course that leads us to Ralph Stanley and Union Station... With all my musical tastes, I had to go on about a decade of withdrawal and fasting due to other life factors. I am now trying to get back in the saddle.

Re: SimonRob

That's really funny. I get that about English all the time. I can get by in many languages and have no problem whatsoever. For example: One beer please una cerveza porfavor une bière s'il vous plait een bier graag ein Bier bitte Одно пиво пожалуйста بيرة واحدة من فضلك 请来一杯啤酒 However, I do sometimes find a way to screw up finding the bathroom in certain countries. That can be a big problem.

Bluegrass

I got into Bluegrass thanks to the Greenbriar Boys, great 60's East Coast band. Speaking of Gram Parsons & the Burritos, I highly recommend First Aid Kit, a new(er) band from Sweden; two sisters with truly great harmonies.

Dutch roots

Hi Gary - not to get all pedantic (sorry), but Dutch, English, and German (and Swedish, Danish, etc) are not derived from Latin. They are in the Germanic language family (hence the similar words you heard). Whereas the languages that derive from Latin include French, Spanish, Italian, Romanian... the "Romance" language family (because of their connection to the Roman Empire). Though southern Britain was part of the Roman Empire too, the Latin language was totally wiped out by the invading Germanic Angles and Saxons in the Early Middle Ages. The reason why English has so many words that are connected to Latin is because the Normans conquered England in 1066 and brought proto-French with them. This became overlaid on the Germanic English base. For example, the nobles for many decades spoke French, so the meat on their plate was something like "boeuf" which became "beef" -- and the Saxon/English peasants in the fields used the Saxon/Old English word, which became "cow." So to this day, we never say the "cow" on our plate looks good, we call it "beef." So lucky us, we have lots of differently derived words for the same thing. Okay, sorry about that unsolicited lecture (I'm a damn history professor), back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Byrds '70

So that makes twice we nearly met, Simon (I was at Bath too)

thanks Claney

great catch. I was buzzing too much on coffee to even edit myself. Question for my information. So how do the migrations of families work. I have always wondered about English and German. Have friends with the name Saunders and Sanders. I have never researched but guess I should; Anglo Saxon is the connection isn't it. Saxony was an original German province, so Anglo Saxon are the Anglish with roots in Saxony? So glad I know you are a history teacher, get ready to do some splaining... edit: guess this tie's into the main paragraph of your explanation but I still want to be taught. Do not like having to work for it...j/k

Claney

That was very enjoyable. Merci!

Latin...

"Though southern Britain was part of the Roman Empire too, the Latin language was totally wiped out by the invading Germanic Angles and Saxons in the Early Middle Ages." I beg to disagree here - I come from southern Britain and if latin was totally wiped out in the middle ages, why the fuck did I have to learn it at school?

What you learn in 45 years

1970. Let it Be is issued. I hear it but on For you Blue. I have NO idea what the line Same Ole 12 Bar Blues means! Nor do I have a clue who Elmore James is...Listening to the record today...actually LIB Naked. Smiling like a fool remembering my ignorance.

hahaha language

here we sit always having problems communicating because of language. I was sidetalking with Doc I think a couple weeks back about the Sop the Cerberus stuff. Yeah Simon, I too had two years of Latin and as I told Doc, I had to translate The Aeneid from Latin to English as a senior in HS. Did great on the translation but the story went over my head. And it is definitely difficult to communicate well on this board due to the fact (I think a fact) that 90% of communication is non-verbal. So as we cannot see each other it can be easy to piss someone off without meaning to...

Holy $%*t!!!!

The Morning Dew from 1987 is EN FUEGO!!!! I put that show on for background music as I was slaving away here at the office and my face just partially melted off! Wow! Good stuff.

1990 TOO extras

I seem to recall that there was someone on Ebay trying to unload some of the extras from that box set. You might check there, despite the fact that your faulty box was purchased there. Good luck!

Good good stuff!

Keep bringing it guys! Love the back and forth! GP, The Buritos', Elmore, oh yea and that soul searching hippie band we all love so much! Not gonna stream. Although mighty tempting. I will dream a sweet dream tonight of The Shrine; circa 1967. Sammy T

hey now claney

That is indeed the GRAND! The photo was taken about a week and a half ago by my beautiful older sister. She came out from N.C. for a little vacation & had never been up the tram at JHMR,so up we went.So this shot is actually from the top of Rendezvous Mountain(JHMR) looking due north. However,with such great zoom-in & focus on new cameras you are seeing Death Canyon there in front a bit.Good eye my friend!Cheers! :)

bluegrass-migrations-whikey

Well have to head for now...another great day in deadland. Love it when everything is in copacetic harmony...(hmmm 50th box top cover) Let us push furthur. As the children migrated they brought with them whiskey (whikey) and roots music of England/Scotland. The southern preachers were some of the biggest distillers and of course the music of England/Scotland (cannot remember the term) became Bluegrass or mountain music with its rich history in the Appalachians. The mountain music (as well as the polyphonics and melodies of classical music based in the N.E.) pushed out beyond the Eastern region thanks to the grand ole opry and other stations, merged with African rhythms from new Orleans to create the next explosive art form. Simon/Dogon/Claney any input from history on any of these connections? Always like new discoveries. I am sure Simon you know the name of the old English roots music. Scotch Whikey became basically bourbon or Tennessee sippin whikey.

splices

I've been listening in order (as is my plan again when the Box arrives), and I was trying to hold off on listening to the major jam of 11/14/73 until I was home, as I listened to the rest at work yesterday, but I listened since I'm stuck late. I noticed there was about a 2 minute AUD splice in the first Other One, and then about a minute in Wharf Rat. Oddly, I didn't recall those patches in the Miller SBD on the Archive, and there aren't any notes of patches on that one... The sound is very good on the box so far. The best sound so far has been the Shrine '67, '72, and what I've just started in the Paris '74 show. That is outstanding, even on these crappy work computer speakers. At home, the Shrine show just blasted out of my studio monitors, THAT is one of the best sounding releases I've ever heard. I'm digging this more than I imagined I could just a couple months ago. I may not have the box and goodies in hand, but I have been able to listen to some outstanding Dead! Thanks to Dave & Rhino for undertaking this behemoth project!

Tetons (and Yosemite)

To my eyes are the most beautiful places in the contiguous 48 states. I climbed the middle 25 years ago (up and down in a day). Good fun, absolutely spectacular. I had my eyes on the Grand but it eluded me and that bird has flown. You are a lucky man jrf.. and you have excellent taste in music (and friends). Nice pic indeed.

Clarence White

I saw the Byrds twice in the early 70s at the Capitol Theater, Port Chester. That was an amazing band, Roger (Jim) McGuinn, Clarence White, Gene Parsons (no relation to Gram) and Skip Batton. The Byrds "Untitled" album is a classic. It was around 1976 living in western Montana that the significance of the Emmy Lou Harris, Gram Parsons,The Byrds, Burrito Brothers and yes even the Egos I mean the Eagles started to take on meaning for me. My friend Kit Walker from the band "The Stokers" out of Stevensville turned me on to Emmy Lou's first three albums, played the hell out of those LPs. Along around 1977 the Flying Burrito Brothers played at the Top Hat Bar in Missoula. It was Skip Batton and Gene Parsons from the Byrds, Gib Gilbeau out of Louisiana,and Sneeky Pete Kleinow. Sneeky Pete on pedal steel may have been the only original member. They killed it. Possibly the best music I ever took in at the Top Hat. Several years later(1982)I saw a completely different line-up of the Burritos at the Line Camp in Pojoaque, New Mexico. Not one original member and they bit the bagwan. Gram Parsons was visionary but also completely reckless. Clarence White with the Byrds was as I once heard possibly the greatest flat picker next to Doc Watson. (and Jerry)

Great folk thread, folks

..and sort of dead related. Gary, I think you have the jest of it and nice transition to distillation which brings us full circle to hairy hillbilly (which I think started it all off). Whiskey is a worthy subject too. Whiskey in the Jar (Irish folk? Scottish Folk??), Whiskey for Breakfast (Classic Norman Blake). ..and if you don't mind me talking a little liberty, whiskey and a little Live at the Boarding House on my front porch, sun setting over the mountains as I write this. I've had that CD for a couple months and have not given it a spin yet.. I will always have a soft spot for Old and In the Way. Thanks guys, have a good night. ______ One edit: I am trying hard to not stream some of this box. Its getting harder and harder to do. Happy hour contraband is Forged Oak Orphan Barrel. Pretty good stuff.

@ KYTrips..

Yesterday I e-mailed that guy who was selling the CDs and extras from the Spring 1990 (TOO) box on eBay. He claims to have thrown out the rest of the box.

Jack Straw '80

Is it just me, or did this song take on an entirely new persona shortly after Brent joined the band? I just listened to the '79 version (compare the 2 years on the stream for yourself) and it's still got that older feel to it. By 1980, it seems that this song was starting to get its groove. Of course, by '89 it was just a powerhouse of fun. Even the FTW version was rockin'! I will say that Jerry shines on that '79 version, though ;-)

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