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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

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    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

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    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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  • #6631
    KeithFan2112
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    Speaking of Decline
    Yeah Palmer, you bring up a good point. What happened to Bob Weir's guitar sound in the late 70s? I want to call it choppy flamenco, but I don't know why I want to call it that. It's something in the tone of his guitar that changed a whole bunch. I may be morphing into pre-hiatus guy....I've always maintained that they were better with just Billy on drums, and that almost anything they played on the Europe '72 tour sounded better in '72 than it did after the hiatus (Bertha, Cold Rain, New Minglewood ((Ladies & Gentlemen - wow)), Ramble On, Sugar Magnolia, Promised Land, Deal, the list goes on. But there was so much good stuff I like in 77/78 - Scarlet Fire, Music Never Stopped, Estimated Eyes, Help-Slipknot-Franklin, The Wheel, Samson, the list goes on.
  • #6632
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    For the Shakedown Sessions, I don't think it was that he wasn't welcome to the studio, its that there were days that he didn't even show up, especially towards the end. Jerry, in particular, was pissed and asked John Kahn to finish. He even has keyboard credits on the album. Wouldn't that qualify to some of the comments at least? I also think Keith's playing is brilliant for most of his career with the Dead, and I often spend large amounts of time listening to the Keith Years. I also think band members opinions count. So there's a lot to this, but most importantly I don't recall any significant volume of people bashing Keith's playing on this thread. ..and if there are some comments you might not like, they are almost always in response to someone stirring the pot with Brent bashing, which certainly offends people. I was just highlighting that for a host of reasons Feb '17th was their last show, so lets be thankful for what we have instead of dwelling on what we cannot impact. It is what it is. That's all, nothing personal.
  • #6633
    Cousins Of The…
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    Just finished listening Row Jimmy from 3/20/77. Keith sounds great backing up Jerry's fine, lyrical solo, but is clobbered by every hit of Mickey's bass drum. I think this was mentioned a few weeks ago; very apparent to me on this track. To my ears, it sounds like there was a change in the mix from 76 to 77; more emphasis on the drums(esp. bass drum), and a less "crispy" bass, making the overall sound a little muddier than it was.
  • #6634
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    I love the keyboard/era debates!
    I don't agree that "old" topics, such as era- and keyboard debates should be retired. This day's posts has been the most interesting here to me in weeks: from floridabobs culture reflections all through the Keith decline discussion. Almost anything that generates a flurry of thoughtful posts seems cool to me as long as it's civil. As a lifelong Deadhead, I think the era/keyboard debate is perfectly relevant and (for me) endlessly fascinating (well, nearly endlessly). I'm extemely conflicted and ambivalent about most of the Dead's post-hiatus music and have been that way for >35 years. Where else can we talk about these things? If we only stuck to the forum topic, we all know these threads dry up quickly and become boring as all hell. My guess is that,era/keyboard discussions generate the most interest here, despite complaints about "old, well worn" topics. Anyone really bored can just scroll though topics that don't interest them. I did draft a long post to contribute to the Keith decline discussion but lost the draft. Basically, I agree with LoveJerry. Keith sounds fine to me in the late 70's but as someone pointed out, he seems very low in the mix. Yes, there is a huge difference in Keith's playing E72 and May 77; but the same could be said for Phil and Bobby's playing. How could anyone not notice a similar decline in their playing? Listen to any of Bob and Phil's playing from the late 70's compared to, say Fillmore 2/69, E72, or WInterland 73. Night and day.
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    hahahaha What?? He stole Jerry's stash??
    No wonder he wasn't welcome (and no wonder he couldn't finish the Shakedown Street session). Hey hey, Jerrylover, don't drag my name in the mud lol. I only said he was a fair pilot. No but really Keith Moon was like the tazmanian devil with drumsticks. If anyone has heard his live stuff from Tommy and Live at leads, in that '69 - '70 zone, you know what I'm talking about. I can understand why Clapton or Baker (I forget which one) would have given that snide expression when asked about Moon's talent compared to Baker, because Ginger was great, a time keeper, an arranger, and so much more than a drummer when it came to making music, but Moon was off the rails excellent, and completely untouchable from '68 - '73. But if you compiled the best live 2 hours of Moon with the best live 2 hours of Baker, Moon is a step or two ahead. What Baker brought to music composition, Moon brought to live performance.
  • #6636
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    I am asking "us" because "us" are the folks who frequently say Keith's playing declined without a lick of evidence to substantiate that assertion. Forget what you've read on Wikipedia or wherever, since it's not exactly a well documented topic, and listen to the music - where is it? Did Phil really say that? If he said it, is it true? In a court of law it's nothing more than hearsay. Give me a song or just recognize that every time someone comments that his playing declined is probably going off the Wiki quote or the comment from Blair Jackson's book (thanks for sharing, never saw it before), but a couple of off-handed subjective remarks do not make it true, and they don't hold up to scrutiny, which is my main point. People are regurgitating hearsay that does not hold up to scrutiny - no wonder politicians lie so much - it's so easy to pass lies off as truth to the masses. It's actually kind of scary. It would be interesting to scan this site for the past several months to see how often this unsubstantiated rubbish was repeated. I kind of feel bad for Donna. And the reason I didn't bring up anything like drug use or marital problems is because it has nothing to do with my argument, which is simply that his playing did not suffer on the stage, and I have the tapes to prove it :-) Or maybe I don't - I am willing to admit I was wrong or uninformed, which is why I posted in the first place - to find out if anyone can point to a performance where his playing was off. Keithfan mentioned Keith Moon - at least when his playing was said to have declined before his death, you can hear it in recordings (Kilburn 1977, Who Are You). That I believe, because it's well documented and easy to hear.
  • #6637
    KeithFan2112
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    You Know a Rumble Ain't a Rumble Without Me
    Of course I agree with LoveJerry - not because I'm a Keith fan, but because it's true - there is really very little primary source evidence that Keith's playing deteriorated. Wikipedia? Even if Phil said it, ex-bandmates deride each other all of the time, it's the single most predictable type of slander they throw at one another. I'm sure he nodded off at the wheel a few times, but that's hardly a deterioration in skills. Not that it's a good thing. But I get LoveJerry's sentiment, which I might also add was not an argument about the reasons he left the band so much as a defense of his playing. So while yeah, some folks have pointed out that there was drug use and whatever, the main point is that folks comment about Keith's deterioration of skill on here all the time, presumably because they read a Wiki quote or Blair Jackson comment - yet the evidence, the music betrays the notion that there was anything substandard in his playing. If I'm reading her post accurately she's just asking someone to point out which songs/shows/period demonstrates this decreased ability to play, and indignant (correct me if I'm wrong JerryLover) that when the topic of his departure comes up, everyone always says he couldn't play, he couldn't play, he couldn't play. I have, myself tried to substantiate that claim that he could no longer play, but just can't find it. The proof should be in the pudding, but it's not. Long live Keith. Both of them - Keith Moon drummed circles around Ginger - he just colored out of the lines a lot.
  • #6638
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    Why ask us? We didn't kick him out of the band. There's a few factors you are not bringing up besides his playing. I don't think any of us question he was a brilliant piano player loaded with talent. But.. First there was his escalating drug use. By late '78 Keith had a heroin addiction (and for that matter so did Jerry). Towards the end of Shakedown Street, Keith couldn't even be found to finish the keyboard tracks on some of the unfinished songs, so John Kahn of all people filled in and did them. In Rock Skully's book, Rock states Keith was rumored to have stolen Jerry's stash once, which really pissed off Jerry. Shortly after that, Keith wasn't part of the JGB. Can't ask any of them if its true because they've all passed by now.. but I don't think there's much doubt about their drug use and drug of choice in these years. There was also the relationship trauma. There were regular fireworks between Keith and Donna on a regular basis. Violent fights, trashed hotels, smash up derby's in the parking lots, ...drama.. tension.. yuk. And then there was his playing. I think his playing had diminished or at the very least was not consistent by late '78, early '79 and, well, the sad truth is.. you can't get rid of Jerry and I'm not sure if having two junkies in the band was something they wanted or could continue with. Keith and Donna wanted to leave too. I think she left a few shows early in one of the last tours because she couldn't take it either. Remember, they were trying to raise small kids at the time. So its well documented that the parting was mutual. I'm not sure what is to be accomplished by going down that rabbit hole. They left and they got a new piano player. We weren't there, but I imagine if we were and if we were privy to all the facts and details.. well, my guess is one way or another, that darkness had to give. One Edit: I read cousins reply (which was classic). Yes, amateur slide guitar hour. aaaack! Love ya Bobby... but on this one, I agree with my cousin. He supposedly started playing more slide to get the sounds he (they) wanted they keys. ..and yes, Donna in particular was drinking a lot, but Keith was chasing the dragon.
  • #6639
    JimInMD
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    I agree with your post. I think most people's minds on this are 'set like concrete'. The back and forth is usually non-productive, and I can't say I learn a ton from it.. especially when the posts come with barbs or put down another's tastes or preferences. I actually don't see the debate, I like the Keith years.. but spring '79 was their last hurrah, and enter the '80's and they got a new keyboard player. It is what it is. I am thankful someone pressed "record" on the tape deck, sit back and enjoy (or press skip if there's out there that doesn't tickle your pleasure bone).
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    Check out JGB live shows from 1978
    Some great stops along the way from Keith in 1978. And another vote for Red Rocks July 7-8, 1978. Tennesse Jed ; Passenger ; Peggy-O ; The Music Never Stopped Killer four piece combo to end first night 1st set
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 11:59

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As I await Boxzilla like the rest of us, I have been finding a pleasant home here on these boards, reading through the myriad comments, hypotheses, favorite moments and all- around interesting anecdotes related to our favorite band. Also as I wait, I decided to look a little deeper into the Dark Stars from the Europe 72 trunk and do my best to qualify them to find, at least in my estimation, what is the best jamming the boys pull off - and most specifically - those Dark Stars in which they bust out the Feelin' Groovy Jam, a harbinger of intensity, melody, and mind-melding. Below is a short synopsis for each of the eleven Dark Stars from the trunk, followed at the conclusion by my recommendation for the most intense and enjoyable foray that can keep your toes tapping. While off topic of Boxzilla, I thought since I put the time and effort into this search, others may find it interesting or of value. I had looked for something similar previously anywhere on the interwebs, but to no avail. Here goes.... 4/8/1972 - Wembly Empire Pool, London - 32 mins; intense/fast paced first leg up til about 10 mins then returns to DS theme for 1st verse; spacey post-verse til ~17 min, then pace picks up for a few minutes, followed by a brief meltdown; additional spaciness around 24 mins followed by another full meltdown; interesting groove established around 28 min that has hints of Sugar Mag (into which it segues, flawlessly). No second verse. 4/14/1972 - Tivoli Concert Hall, Copenhagen, DK - 29 mins; loose first 10 mins not overly spacey; gets spacey around 11 mins; interesting groove establishes around 16 min to head into first verse w/interesting beat; heads off into intense nearly 7-minute jam inclusive of a very tight and fast Feelin Groovy jam; final 3 minutes are a meltdown. No second verse. 4/17/1972 - Tivoli Concert Hall, Copenhagen, DK - 31 mins; spacey opening to about 7:30 when first DS theme emerges leading to 1st verse at 9:45. Spacey post-2nd verse tries to take off but melts further around 19 min; returns to a partial groove around 24:30 and closes out with spaceyness in the last 2 mins. No second verse. 4/24/1972 - Rheinhalle, Dusseldorf, Germany - Split by Me & My Uncle; 26 mins 1st half, 14:30 second half. Spacey opening until about 8:45 where it coalesces and falls into first DS theme around 10:15 followed shortly by 1st verse with slow, sparse notes. Spacey feedback following verse until 15:45 and then picks up into an intense, fast paced jam for just under 2 minutes before it becomes dissonant again leading to major meltdown which eventually heads into Me & My Uncle with ease. Second half: spacey reintroduction persists until about 7 mins, where Keith leads-in with some piano phrasing and then the band follows into a tight fast paced jam where Jerry plays some lines back and forth as if in conversation with himself and then maintains an intense level effortlessly segueing into Wharf Rat. No second verse. 4/29/1972 - Musikhalle, Hamburg, Denmark - 30 mins; spacey opening for ~5 mins, then enters a groove and Phil hints at the Feeling Groovy jam until it finally is joined by Jerry a minute later until about 8:00, then the floor drops out into space. DS theme appears at 14 min which leads to first verse. Spacey post-verse noodling leads to major meltdown, settling in at 22 mins with a fat, fast-paced Keith-led groove. Final 4 mins are spacey & lead to major melt #2, dropping into Sugar Mag as DS finally melts away. No second verse. 5/4/1972 - Olympia Theatre, Paris - Split by drums; 19 mins 1st half; 17:34 2nd half. Spacey opening til about 6 mins when fast paced jam kicks in until 11:20, slowing down then resurrecting the DS theme into the first verse. 4 mins of space leads into drums. Second half post-drums is very spacey until 7 mins, then kicks into overdrive with a very high energy jam leading to a phenominal Feelin Groovy Jam for several minutes before settling into the second verse. DS dissipates into the Sugar Mag from E'72. 5/7/1972 - Bickershaw Festival, Wigan, UK - 19:49 mins; decent, coherent jamming for the first several minutes that congeals nicely around 8 minutes. Bottom falls out around 10 mins and leads to some light noodling, cymbal fills and space. DS theme emerges at 14:23 and heads into 1st verse. Space fills the air through the remainder of the song until it totally breaks down into drums. No second verse. 5/11/1972 - Rotterdam Civic Hall, Netherlands - Split by drums; 13:45 mins 1st half; 30:34 mins 2nd half; Opens with a light, airy jam that persists to congeal into a decent groove as it treads in and out of spacey phrasing. This settles into a mysterious sounding jam that grows with intensity without a return to the DS theme before dissolving into drums. Emerging from drums, Phil and Billy duel for 2 minutes before Jerry joins back in with some complimentary thoughts; the DS theme appears around 5 min followed by 1st verse. A few moments of spacey feedback give way to spacey noodling that devolves into a full blow chaotic meltdown, only to emerge around 19:30 into a very nice, fast paced groove that hints at Caution and PITB jams. This eventually dissolves and a light, sparse outro ends the song as it heads off into Sugar Mag. No second verse. 5/18/1972 - Kongressaal, Muenchen, Denmark - 28:20 mins; almost 2 mins of noodling before opening notes from Phil; a loose jam ensues around the DS theme for the next several minutes and then decays. At ~9 min an interesting jam emerges, which eventually settles back into the DS theme and 1st verse around 14:30. The remainder of this DS is borderline chaos as it treads in and out of varying degrees of a meltdown until it settles into Morning Dew. No second verse. 5/23/1972 - The Strand Lyceum, London - 30 mins; Spacey opening minutes lead to tight fast paced jam commencing around 3:30 for two minutes and then it settles into another spacey jam digressing to almost…nothing. Billy and Phil then have a small duel until ~13:30 when the rest of the band fills back into a delicate groove which grows to into a jam reminiscent of the post-Truckin' foray from E'72 until about 17 mins, when they drop into the DS theme and 1st verse. Ensuing is additional delicate spaciness that transgresses into a frenzied meltdown madness, and eventually settles into Morning Dew. No second verse. 5/25/1972 - The Strand Lyceum, London - 34 mins, out of Wharf Rat. Strong opening with a groove almost from the beginning, no noodling around here in the first 7 minutes. Then turns very spacey until 15 mins when DS theme appears, and heads off into 1st verse. Post-verse finds a Billy, Phil, and Keith duel for several minutes. At 21 mins, Phil institutes a mellow Feeling Groovy jam, soon joined by the rest of the band until ~25 mins. Final minutes are dominated by space and then a monumental meltdown before heading off into Sugar Mag. No second verse. Final Verdict(s): It is a very close tie between 4/14 and the second half from 5/4. I put these on the pedestal due to the crazy, intense jams surrounding the Feelin Groovy sequences. They are just interstellar. Part of me also wanted to simply catalogue which Dark Stars included a Feelin Groovy jam from the '72 trunk, so I feel my work is done and I can rest easy. I'd be delighted to hear if any others had similar, or more excitingly, differing thoughts. Happy Thursday to All. Sixtus
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Submitted by Bach 2 Bach on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:10

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In the photograph, Jerry is seen with a beautiful shiny hairdo, in a semi-profile which emphasizes the pootched out succulence of his insolent pouting rictus, the sight of which will be certain to drive the helpless young deadheads mad with desire!
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Submitted by thepeacesignguy on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:14

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Turns out I'm already on. I closed my eyes and took a running leap. That was back in '77. Been enjoying the ride ever since. Peace
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Submitted by stevecastor on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:20

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I'm listening to the big box stream on my iPhone. I can't seem to get a concert to play continuously. After each song, I need to get back into the iphone, and into the safari browser to get the next tune going. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:30

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thanks so much... I had been wanting to ask the question here but figured the answer may have been to daunting. Still a newbie on "Feeling Groovy" jam. Have heard a few but want to find some of the best. So I have been wondering about which stars and which china/ryder jams have them. I figured I would just take my time and find them for myself. Thanks for the effort and the head start. I only procured E72 about 90 days ago so I still have a bunch of first time listening to finish. G
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Submitted by boblopes on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:30

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I cut and pasted it into one of my "pay attention bob" notes in my music listening file... Thanks!
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:53

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has me smiling and mad with desire... edit: had to think as i am at work...punky i promise not to...
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Submitted by Chris Grand on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 12:55

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however...to me 04/08/72 is the gem of the bunch.the beginning jam is super tight and stays melodic and exciting, the verse is perfect, and the ending jam into sugar magnolia, especially when they are playing both songs at once for a few measures, makes me cry not to mention sugar mag goes then into a 20 minute caution, jerry and pig doing their thing
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 15:53

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@Chris Grand - I hear you man. Yes, 4/8 is pretty intense almost right out of the gate and they keep it going for a good portion of the intro. The melts are pretty major though and things get WEIRD. and I'd say b/c there is no Feelin Groovy, it didn't make my cut by I will say it ranks up there as one of the best in my estimation outside of that parameter. Good call. EDIT: after a re-listen on my ride home today, I can say with vigor that the last four minutes or so of the 4/8 Dark Star are very unique, inspirational, and spot-on 'what the boys do'. It really is a Sugar Mag proto-jam and they all pick up on it. Quite special. @Gary Farseer - ecstatic to help you along on your journey to uncover these truths. some of my fondest memories of this music are finding these little things here and there that get planted as seeds in our listening-minds only to learn they seem to always blossom into something much larger and more beautiful than we could have thought once we dig deep enough. @boblopes - I am pleased to make it onto your reference list for the future - that is a first for me! rock on guys Sixtus
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Submitted by Born Cross Eye… on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:30

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GREAT NEWS!I had been sitting on the proverbial fence about this 30 Trips box this past summer and finally said I get would get it. I also ran up some other ugly surprise expenses that I have to pay off in October, November & December, yeah that big, so I had to cancel my order on September 16, and I posted the sad news on this thread shortly afterwards. I also told some other friends of mine that I had cancelled this 30 Trips box. One such deep-pocketed friend said that he would reimburse me if I could get another order in. That luck happened on Sunday Sept 20 and on Tuesday I got the stream and .pdf of the book. WOW! THIS IS AMAZING! (so far) I am skimming thru the book and Nick has done a great job writing it. It's a good read but I'd rather read the hard copy, because reading two pages on my screen like this just isn't in me, especially on my old (2007) desktop. As for streaming, the 1967 LA Shrine seemed a good place to start. I only intended to play a track or two, but I streamed the whole show. THIS SHOW IS AMAZING! Other than the 67 show, a track here and there, all the years. I am surprised with 1994, I like it, better playing than I expected. There seems that there is some hiss in the 84 show, which is a cassette master. Or is it my ears? Audio monitor: a pair of "Computer Associates" MMS-15/CA-15 "full-range" speakers with headphone jack (they don't sound all that great as is) Sennheiser HD-480 cans that are about 30+ years old and sound very good, or at least much better than the CA's, in my opinion. I wish this box would ship in mid-October, instead of the end of the month. Oh yeah, 10/31 is the 26th anniversary of the original release of "Built To Last" and the 27th is my b'day.
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Submitted by stevecastor on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:42

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Streaming the big box on an Iphone - customer service tells me the streaming is not compatible with mobile devices. They recommend listening on a desktop.
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:51

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Glad to hear it. I read your post a couple weeks back and felt for you. I have been there, finally getting better financial footing so trying to make up for lost time. A good friend is often one of the best things in life. Not sure I will make it folks, everyone keeps Shrining on me! Jim you still making it?
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Submitted by BertDert on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:46

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I had to argue with a few friends that, while very expensive, 30 Trips is not overpriced. Now, as amazing as this new Bob Dylan set is (and it is AMAZING) it is indeed overpriced. THE CUTTING EDGE 1965 – 1966: THE BOOTLEG SERIES VOL. 12 COLLECTOR’S EDITION Limited, numbered edition of 5,000 units worldwide – THESE WILL BE THE ONLY COPIES OF THE COLLECTOR’S EDITION EVER MANUFACTURED! Every single note recorded by Bob Dylan in the studio in 1965/1966 379 tracks on 18 discs 180 page hardcover 11” x 11” book Includes certificate of authenticity ALSO INCLUDES: The original nine mono 45 RPM singles released during the time period A leopard skin printed spindle A strip of film cells from an original print of the ‘Don’t Look Back’ film includes a download link to hi-res audio files for all 18 discs The Bootleg Series Vol. 12 Collector’s Edition Box Set $599.99
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 13:59

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Yeah I love finding the truths...the golden nuggets. My problem is deep cycle partying and OCD...it is like finding the same nugget of truth over and over.
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Submitted by Dusty.rambler@… on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:23

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Hey Steve, I've been listening on my iPhone 5 nonstop. Only a few buffering problems here and there when I have bad wifi... That said, I have never updated my software so I might be on a different version of safari. (I don't update till I have to because did have a problem once where updating deleted all my contacts and it was a loan in the ass). Try downloading another web browser like chrome. I bet that will work!
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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:42

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Streaming some '84. Love this silly little song, especially the acoustic one they did for Dead Set or Reckoning or whatever video was I saw on PBS.
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Submitted by johnny361 on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 14:53

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Dark Star>Sugar Magnolia>Caution.....simply magic
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Submitted by steve73 on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 15:20

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The trick that works on my iPhone 6 is to keep the page open, with the light on. This takes a toll on the battery, of course, but each song starts on its own, with just an annoying hiccup between tunes.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 16:37

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..work productivity just tanked for everyone reading these threads for the next week or so. That's what.. about 13 hours of Dark Star listening alone and does not include the obligatory Sugar Mag / Caution / Good Lovin' listening that comes with it. but seriously, nice write-up. Thanks. _________ One edit: I hear KeithFan2112 is already planning to call in sick tomorrow to revisit some of these. Bird flu or something.
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Submitted by Spoyball on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 15:44

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I get the hiccup before the new song starts too but it works on my iPhone and iPad pretty good. The book does not work on safari though. I haven't tried google chrome does anybody know if getting the book works on a iPhone or iPad with a different browser?
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Submitted by Chris Grand on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 15:55

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scarlet>music never stoppedholee fuk go there, now
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 15:59

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That blog rocks, I've been spending a fair amount of time on there when I can. Thanks for the '72 jams link, the details in there are so helpful and make for a never ending hunt for the reasons we love it.
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 16:14

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I laughed out loud at the work productivity reality cause, well, yeah. Good call on the Other Three mentioned, I'd assume The Other One needs the same consideration as I recall some jazzy places there too. Anyone have a good place to start for a nice jazz filled Version From The Trunk? And I was thinking the same treatment for Good Lovin was also sought, seeking a combination of Pigs awesomeness and the band's hyper grooving ever- inspired, long jams. So much to sift!
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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 17:55

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Chris Grand got me to revisit the Other One from Concertgebouw the last time this conversation came up. I got a lot out of revisiting it. 5/3 gets a lot of accolades as does 4/26. I've posted this link before. There's some decent reviews and insights and stuff. https://archive.org/post/304297/europe-72-notebook oh.. I have no idea who posted those reviews, it wasn't me, but they're pretty handy. For what it's worth.. I got as much out of the Caution jams as anything else from this tour. I was expecting magic from the DS's and TOO's (and they delivered). A couple of the cautions caught me unprepared had me picking my jaw up from the carpet. One Edit: I am not sure why.. but I had not really listened to much from that tour other than the official releases before the box was delivered. I had pulled down just 5/3 and 5/26 from the archive. I got more out of this release than perhaps any other offering from Dead.net simply because it so exceeded my expectations. I bet I am in the minority here, its not like it was a secret.
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Submitted by Kayak Guy on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 17:37

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Excellent breakdown, nice notes and only a single 2 verse Dark Star the whole tour, learn something new everyday.You don't get a new Dark Star factoid everyday. thanks.
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 17:54

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So I've seen a lot of your back and forths over the years and am happy to have learned yous sumthin new. Admittedly that exact revelation swept over me as I concluded my DS assault, but I felt leaving it to Us to find it would be fun. It is an interesting nugget. But also makes you wonder a bit....we miss the mirror shatters and epic searchlights casting.... One thing that's clear is we're All dialed-in and paying attention, a great thing.
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Submitted by Kayak Guy on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 18:04

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Obviously we didn't miss the 2nd verse until you brought it to our attention. Olympia Paris, the lead in to the official E72 Sugar Mag, that's trivia gold.5/4/72, 5/4/72, 5/4/72.
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 18:05

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I will definitely check out TOOs as prescribed. I like starting points. Chris Grand your contributions are appreciated everywhere, cool. That read is dense and informatively addicting, looking forward to the digestion. The Cautions. Agreed. Ferocity, so fast, jaws agape-syndrome persists....the runs runs runs from Jerry but the a Rhythm Gang hot on his trail. It's fun, fun stuff and if that doesn't put a smile on your face....it will. I suppose that's The Thing. Comes in many forms.
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 18:06

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....i have a Galaxy S6. T-Mobile provider. Using Chrome browser, Works good, except when my phone times out, the next song doesn't play automatically. I need to either set my phone to a 10 minute time out limit (which is it's max), or pay close attention and keep swiping. But with the Dead, paying close attention is a broad term. You know what I mean. Also, when it comes to the Boyz, 10 minutes covers maybe the first verse at times....ahhh...first world problems. Aren't we lucky?....
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Submitted by Kayak Guy on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:01

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Not to add to the project but if you are going to do The Other Ones, you might as well start at the Truckin that begins the jam into The Other One. Lots of nice versions of Epilog and Prelude from the E72 album. Every The Other One from the E72 box starts with a Truckin to begin the jam.
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 18:39

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So,Kayak Guy,,that Truckin > Jam from Europe '72 is what contributed to one of my MAJOR discoveries back in my UVM days, decades past. And I was both moved and schooled at the same time and listening became A Sport once I digested what this had unveiled. Thanks for the reminder.
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Submitted by stevecastor on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 18:57

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This board is the best. I've ameliorated my iPhone streaming technical difficulties. No surprise customer service was not helpful. I figured a post here would put me on the right path. Tonight is 28th anniversary of first show!
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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 19:13

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Based on your rave I got two tixs to see chris in Dallas next month. Thanks for pointing these guys out, will post short review.
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Submitted by GD77 on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 21:34

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YEP WENT THERE, THANKS FOR THE SUGGESTION CHRIS GRAND. THIS BOX IS LIKE THE JELLY OF THE MONTH CLUB... IT'S THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING YEAR ROUND!
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Submitted by Spoyball on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 23:00

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Yep! That works! Much appreciated
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Submitted by Mr.Dc on Thu, 09/24/2015 - 23:04

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REALLY excited for the new Dylan release, but damn if that doesn't show us how fair the 30trips box price is. 600$ for 18 discs of rehearsals and alternates (for the most part), that my friends is crazy. Still really excited about the music becoming available and will probably buy the 200$ version. Atleast there are some options including a 2disc highlights for about 20$. That 600$ price tag was a bummer for sure though, as I really enjoy the music.
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Fri, 09/25/2015 - 09:07

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Hey KeithFan...since you are a...Keith Fan....I assume you have seen/heard the Dark Star from 10/22/71 Chicago (can't recall off the top of my head which official release it was) and if not it MUST be checked. EDIT: while the DS noted here did in fact appear on DaPick's 3, it's not from 10/22 - it's actually from the additional Bonus tracks that were included, from October 21. In my iPod I inexplicably have grouped them into the same playlist/show as 10/22...my bad. While not overly jumbo like to 30-minute Stars from The Trunk, the first half is about 14 mins and change (and is then split by Sittin on Top of The World - AWESOME) - and toward the end of this first foray, right around 11:20, Keith TAKES OFF along with Jerry, shortly Phil and Bobby fill back in and they are all pounding away - all are turned up to '11' - aka One Louder - into a jubilant jam that then morphs into one of the most energized Feelin Groovy jams I've heard. It only lasts a few minutes and then falls into a short frenzy before 'Sittin' and then is closed by a 2 minute DS second verse and done. You may need a wipee when it's all over. Happy Friday to All in Deadland Sixtus
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Fri, 09/25/2015 - 06:28

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Thanks for the 71 Sixtus. I am sure Doc sensed your comment, Doc? Can't wait to Ear it. Come on Coffee!
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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 09/25/2015 - 06:43

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That's Dave's Picks #3. Keith is prominent in the mix on that one. Fresh is the word that comes to mind.
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Fri, 09/25/2015 - 06:47

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Dave's Pick's 3...an early one from the series and great. I DO love that the pi-aner is turned up in the mix, I thoroughly enjoy the grand's sound. Thanks for the clarifier. I'm off on TOO today....5/3 to start...here we go.
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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Fri, 09/25/2015 - 06:50

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Oh yeah, I know it well, but not well enough, for I do not recall the specific passage you speak of (but it's queued up next, you caught me right in the middle of the DS from 2/28/69, and I can't move on until I make it through The Eleven - that's just how I roll). For the uninitiated, Sixtus speaks of the version on DaP Vol. 3. I've been on a bit of a Dark Star trip myself lately. Was just discussing 11/2/69 with a very good friend - unofficial release, but another buddy recently hooked me up with the mp3. A blogger somewhere else touted it as TC's finest moment - I don't know if I would go that far, but it's top-shelf. It also melds into St. Stephen > The Eleven, which is the best way to fly the Dark Star flag in my book. If you really want to melt your head, program the four FW '69 Dark Stars back-to-back-to-back-to-back, and then put on Fillmore East.
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Fri, 09/25/2015 - 07:32

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Ahhhh...the '69 Dark Stars, such a comforting and simultaneously outrageous place to be. Wish I had the FW Box and therefore all of the Stars...I was only able to get the 3-Disc compilation, and even that one is great and I suppose would be among those touted in 'the lineup'. I'd love to get my hands on the remainder. I haven't heard the 11/2/69 Dark Star, but I did have a listen to the 2/11/70 that was linked here the other day...along with several others from that timeframe and man, I am with you on the old school energies spewing forth outta there. I just need to NOT start my listening sessions at 11 PM on a week night I have 3 Stars queued up...I don't get to bed before 1 AM. That's what Friday's are for.
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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Fri, 09/25/2015 - 07:05

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Jim, I was checking out the link you posted, with the E72 notebook. Would be interesting to re-do that list with everyone's own personal picks. He has some interesting selections in there - I wonder how HIS choices have changed since the box set came out (best sound quality for example - I find 4/26 outstanding). I would choose the 5/3 China Cat as the best (but not the Rider - hate the vocal overdubs); but anyway, the 5/3/72 China Cat has a Jerry solo that lifts me off my seat. I could go on for paragraphs about E72, but that work productivity thing is preventing me, as I called out with the Bird Song Flu the day dead.net charged my card and gave me 30 Trips streaming. Sixtus - check your PM
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Fri, 09/25/2015 - 07:41

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anyone taking advantage of the $67 Amazon Prime sale today? Any one have Prime, do you like it?
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Fri, 09/25/2015 - 07:43

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Yes, worth it Gary Farseer - esp if price reduced. I mean, if you order a lot of stuff like Star Wars Legos (not to self incriminate, but hey) then yes totally worth it for the fast shipping. It is fun to find things on your doorstep. I'd recommend.
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Submitted by claney on Fri, 09/25/2015 - 07:49

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Keithfan: Other One. November 11, 1972. And oh yeah, listening to that Cobo Scarlet>Music right now. Though I'm trying to wait for the box, I figure this segment will get many repeats from me anyway. Oh boy. I LOVES me some 76. This show will be a NICE companion to 10/9 and 10/10 (which it seems to resemble much more closely than say the preceding September shows) EDIT - It may be, as many say, that the band was better with one drummer, turning those corners and such. But I can't imagine Music Never Stopped without Mickey.
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Fri, 09/25/2015 - 07:44

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DS as an ever opening flower, yes it is indeed. Makes me think of Yes Parallels...
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