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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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  • #6631
    KeithFan2112
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    Speaking of Decline
    Yeah Palmer, you bring up a good point. What happened to Bob Weir's guitar sound in the late 70s? I want to call it choppy flamenco, but I don't know why I want to call it that. It's something in the tone of his guitar that changed a whole bunch. I may be morphing into pre-hiatus guy....I've always maintained that they were better with just Billy on drums, and that almost anything they played on the Europe '72 tour sounded better in '72 than it did after the hiatus (Bertha, Cold Rain, New Minglewood ((Ladies & Gentlemen - wow)), Ramble On, Sugar Magnolia, Promised Land, Deal, the list goes on. But there was so much good stuff I like in 77/78 - Scarlet Fire, Music Never Stopped, Estimated Eyes, Help-Slipknot-Franklin, The Wheel, Samson, the list goes on.
  • #6632
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    For the Shakedown Sessions, I don't think it was that he wasn't welcome to the studio, its that there were days that he didn't even show up, especially towards the end. Jerry, in particular, was pissed and asked John Kahn to finish. He even has keyboard credits on the album. Wouldn't that qualify to some of the comments at least? I also think Keith's playing is brilliant for most of his career with the Dead, and I often spend large amounts of time listening to the Keith Years. I also think band members opinions count. So there's a lot to this, but most importantly I don't recall any significant volume of people bashing Keith's playing on this thread. ..and if there are some comments you might not like, they are almost always in response to someone stirring the pot with Brent bashing, which certainly offends people. I was just highlighting that for a host of reasons Feb '17th was their last show, so lets be thankful for what we have instead of dwelling on what we cannot impact. It is what it is. That's all, nothing personal.
  • #6633
    Cousins Of The…
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    Just finished listening Row Jimmy from 3/20/77. Keith sounds great backing up Jerry's fine, lyrical solo, but is clobbered by every hit of Mickey's bass drum. I think this was mentioned a few weeks ago; very apparent to me on this track. To my ears, it sounds like there was a change in the mix from 76 to 77; more emphasis on the drums(esp. bass drum), and a less "crispy" bass, making the overall sound a little muddier than it was.
  • #6634
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    I love the keyboard/era debates!
    I don't agree that "old" topics, such as era- and keyboard debates should be retired. This day's posts has been the most interesting here to me in weeks: from floridabobs culture reflections all through the Keith decline discussion. Almost anything that generates a flurry of thoughtful posts seems cool to me as long as it's civil. As a lifelong Deadhead, I think the era/keyboard debate is perfectly relevant and (for me) endlessly fascinating (well, nearly endlessly). I'm extemely conflicted and ambivalent about most of the Dead's post-hiatus music and have been that way for >35 years. Where else can we talk about these things? If we only stuck to the forum topic, we all know these threads dry up quickly and become boring as all hell. My guess is that,era/keyboard discussions generate the most interest here, despite complaints about "old, well worn" topics. Anyone really bored can just scroll though topics that don't interest them. I did draft a long post to contribute to the Keith decline discussion but lost the draft. Basically, I agree with LoveJerry. Keith sounds fine to me in the late 70's but as someone pointed out, he seems very low in the mix. Yes, there is a huge difference in Keith's playing E72 and May 77; but the same could be said for Phil and Bobby's playing. How could anyone not notice a similar decline in their playing? Listen to any of Bob and Phil's playing from the late 70's compared to, say Fillmore 2/69, E72, or WInterland 73. Night and day.
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    hahahaha What?? He stole Jerry's stash??
    No wonder he wasn't welcome (and no wonder he couldn't finish the Shakedown Street session). Hey hey, Jerrylover, don't drag my name in the mud lol. I only said he was a fair pilot. No but really Keith Moon was like the tazmanian devil with drumsticks. If anyone has heard his live stuff from Tommy and Live at leads, in that '69 - '70 zone, you know what I'm talking about. I can understand why Clapton or Baker (I forget which one) would have given that snide expression when asked about Moon's talent compared to Baker, because Ginger was great, a time keeper, an arranger, and so much more than a drummer when it came to making music, but Moon was off the rails excellent, and completely untouchable from '68 - '73. But if you compiled the best live 2 hours of Moon with the best live 2 hours of Baker, Moon is a step or two ahead. What Baker brought to music composition, Moon brought to live performance.
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    I am asking "us" because "us" are the folks who frequently say Keith's playing declined without a lick of evidence to substantiate that assertion. Forget what you've read on Wikipedia or wherever, since it's not exactly a well documented topic, and listen to the music - where is it? Did Phil really say that? If he said it, is it true? In a court of law it's nothing more than hearsay. Give me a song or just recognize that every time someone comments that his playing declined is probably going off the Wiki quote or the comment from Blair Jackson's book (thanks for sharing, never saw it before), but a couple of off-handed subjective remarks do not make it true, and they don't hold up to scrutiny, which is my main point. People are regurgitating hearsay that does not hold up to scrutiny - no wonder politicians lie so much - it's so easy to pass lies off as truth to the masses. It's actually kind of scary. It would be interesting to scan this site for the past several months to see how often this unsubstantiated rubbish was repeated. I kind of feel bad for Donna. And the reason I didn't bring up anything like drug use or marital problems is because it has nothing to do with my argument, which is simply that his playing did not suffer on the stage, and I have the tapes to prove it :-) Or maybe I don't - I am willing to admit I was wrong or uninformed, which is why I posted in the first place - to find out if anyone can point to a performance where his playing was off. Keithfan mentioned Keith Moon - at least when his playing was said to have declined before his death, you can hear it in recordings (Kilburn 1977, Who Are You). That I believe, because it's well documented and easy to hear.
  • #6637
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    Of course I agree with LoveJerry - not because I'm a Keith fan, but because it's true - there is really very little primary source evidence that Keith's playing deteriorated. Wikipedia? Even if Phil said it, ex-bandmates deride each other all of the time, it's the single most predictable type of slander they throw at one another. I'm sure he nodded off at the wheel a few times, but that's hardly a deterioration in skills. Not that it's a good thing. But I get LoveJerry's sentiment, which I might also add was not an argument about the reasons he left the band so much as a defense of his playing. So while yeah, some folks have pointed out that there was drug use and whatever, the main point is that folks comment about Keith's deterioration of skill on here all the time, presumably because they read a Wiki quote or Blair Jackson comment - yet the evidence, the music betrays the notion that there was anything substandard in his playing. If I'm reading her post accurately she's just asking someone to point out which songs/shows/period demonstrates this decreased ability to play, and indignant (correct me if I'm wrong JerryLover) that when the topic of his departure comes up, everyone always says he couldn't play, he couldn't play, he couldn't play. I have, myself tried to substantiate that claim that he could no longer play, but just can't find it. The proof should be in the pudding, but it's not. Long live Keith. Both of them - Keith Moon drummed circles around Ginger - he just colored out of the lines a lot.
  • #6638
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    Why ask us? We didn't kick him out of the band. There's a few factors you are not bringing up besides his playing. I don't think any of us question he was a brilliant piano player loaded with talent. But.. First there was his escalating drug use. By late '78 Keith had a heroin addiction (and for that matter so did Jerry). Towards the end of Shakedown Street, Keith couldn't even be found to finish the keyboard tracks on some of the unfinished songs, so John Kahn of all people filled in and did them. In Rock Skully's book, Rock states Keith was rumored to have stolen Jerry's stash once, which really pissed off Jerry. Shortly after that, Keith wasn't part of the JGB. Can't ask any of them if its true because they've all passed by now.. but I don't think there's much doubt about their drug use and drug of choice in these years. There was also the relationship trauma. There were regular fireworks between Keith and Donna on a regular basis. Violent fights, trashed hotels, smash up derby's in the parking lots, ...drama.. tension.. yuk. And then there was his playing. I think his playing had diminished or at the very least was not consistent by late '78, early '79 and, well, the sad truth is.. you can't get rid of Jerry and I'm not sure if having two junkies in the band was something they wanted or could continue with. Keith and Donna wanted to leave too. I think she left a few shows early in one of the last tours because she couldn't take it either. Remember, they were trying to raise small kids at the time. So its well documented that the parting was mutual. I'm not sure what is to be accomplished by going down that rabbit hole. They left and they got a new piano player. We weren't there, but I imagine if we were and if we were privy to all the facts and details.. well, my guess is one way or another, that darkness had to give. One Edit: I read cousins reply (which was classic). Yes, amateur slide guitar hour. aaaack! Love ya Bobby... but on this one, I agree with my cousin. He supposedly started playing more slide to get the sounds he (they) wanted they keys. ..and yes, Donna in particular was drinking a lot, but Keith was chasing the dragon.
  • #6639
    JimInMD
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    Re: Brokedown
    I agree with your post. I think most people's minds on this are 'set like concrete'. The back and forth is usually non-productive, and I can't say I learn a ton from it.. especially when the posts come with barbs or put down another's tastes or preferences. I actually don't see the debate, I like the Keith years.. but spring '79 was their last hurrah, and enter the '80's and they got a new keyboard player. It is what it is. I am thankful someone pressed "record" on the tape deck, sit back and enjoy (or press skip if there's out there that doesn't tickle your pleasure bone).
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    Check out JGB live shows from 1978
    Some great stops along the way from Keith in 1978. And another vote for Red Rocks July 7-8, 1978. Tennesse Jed ; Passenger ; Peggy-O ; The Music Never Stopped Killer four piece combo to end first night 1st set
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

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Submitted by Born Cross Eye… on Sat, 09/26/2015 - 15:18

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A much improved sound over previous soundboard sources that I have heard over the years!One HOT Stranger!
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Submitted by jrf68@hotmail.com on Sat, 09/26/2015 - 16:13

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I'm ordained thru the Universal Life Church,so if ya can't get to the Pope just drop me a line! ;) And Happy Birthday to Hundred Year Hall! 20 years today!

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Submitted by floridabobaloo on Sat, 09/26/2015 - 19:12

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Before San Fran. Came into full bloom Greenwich Village was the scene. This doc was brilliant in its history and showing the folk music bloom that lead to the 60 s proper. I loved this movie and will revisit it I think a time or two. Amazing footage of a really important musical era. As a folkie today, I love when homage is paid like this.If you get a chance, view it. Great film EDIT. I did chuckle because not one mention was made of The Kingston Trio! Yeah I know they where the "establishment" folkies, but they sold a boatload of records.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 09/26/2015 - 17:38

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He really built something nice out there. Thanks for the good read.

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Submitted by floridabobaloo on Sat, 09/26/2015 - 18:29

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God that was Fantastic! My wife was laughing cause I knew nealy all the players and songs! Do you remember how great this stuff was on an AM radio going down the street in summer in like a GTO?We're so lucky to have heard this when it was fresh. In today's music world it's a completely different game. Sight read a Chart? Hahaha how many can still do that? Loving these features on Flix. Ginger Baker and I are set for morning coffee........
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Submitted by kevjones on Sat, 09/26/2015 - 22:53

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Hey everyone. Totally going out on limb here, but check out the 'I Fought The Law' from 1993 show. It's totally rippin'. Can't wait for this set!!!
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Submitted by ToddWCorey70 on Sat, 09/26/2015 - 23:25

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An excellent documentary, and if you don't watch it, GINGER WILL BEAT YOU!
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Submitted by lowspark75 on Sat, 09/26/2015 - 23:43

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I've watched them all. Muscle Shoals was definitely a favorite. The Other One was good. The Ginger Baker one was interesting, mostly to learn more about him. I do still need to watch the Keith Richards doc. I am a whore for Rockumentaries.
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Submitted by purpleerik69 on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 00:44

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Can anyone help ?My order status says October 31 - here we read Mid-October ? So what will happen ? Anyone knows ? BTW : I love the 91 show - can?t resist to listen to the downloads , well the needle shoves into the brain peace
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Submitted by Born Cross Eye… on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 04:16

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Currently, if you order the USB edition, "add to cart" on that page, the next page will have a description of the item in the 1st left column read: USB product estimated to ship between Oct 9 - Oct 31, 2015 applied Credit Card Payment Only (in red lettering). There is a 2nd column, "action", a 3rd with quantity and a 4th column with "Availability" that reads: Ships on Oct-31-2015. I don't really know, but I await the shipping notice email anytime after October 9th. I would be very happy if the shipping notice email would appear in my my mailbox on October 9th and the physical box set would arrive at my house in the 3rd week of October.
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Submitted by ToddWCorey70 on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 05:07

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I am far from the PTB, but I believe Oct. 31 is a "place-holder", or worst-case-scenario, meant to be the end of the line. Computers don't like things like "mid-October" or "October 15th-ish". 10-31 fits in computer world. I think (read: hope!) we'll get our stuff before Halloween...
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Submitted by ToddWCorey70 on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 05:08

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That's all, folks!
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Submitted by purpleerik69 on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 05:14

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thanx for your thouhts , so we all just sit and wait....sometimes we all just sit.... don`t know why but it`s a unique feeling , like waiting for christmas.....hey , Santa , don`t forget me over here
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Submitted by owlshead on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 05:21

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thanks for the 9/25/91 and 9/26/91 suggestion - next to never go beyond 89/90 happy Sunday, Pope is in philly, out to stack some firewood and hoping the Birds don't start the season 0-3 -- though, sure there are a number of NFL fans that would be ok with that ;)
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Submitted by ToddWCorey70 on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 05:26

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As Tom Petty said, "The waiting is the hardest part!"
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Submitted by ToddWCorey70 on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 05:28

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Double-post? Yeah...
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Submitted by MinasMorgul on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 05:55

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Guys, I have to say - Dave Lemieux absolutely got it right when he said the '90 - '95 shows weren't just "good shows for those years" but great shows overall. I have not been streaming anything except the 80s and 90s, and I am totally impressed with these Vince shows. If someone never heard the Dead before, and these were their first listen, I don't think they'd have any complaints. Vince is very nicely mixed, better than Brent has been since mid-80s (too loud from '87 - '90), and his vocals blend in with the rest of the band so smoothly; Jerry is playing well and singing well enough (I have to give him some leeway for age - everybody's singing voice ages, except maybe Ace Frehley - for some mysterious reason he sounds just like he did in 1978 - probably because he comes from Outer Space); Bobby is solid as ever and I actually have an easier time hearing him in the mix than in a lot of the '70s shows; and Bill and Mickey sound just fine (I prefer the acoustics of their drum sounds from the '70s, but hey, equipment and amplification has changed). I would say the hi-lights are Vince and Jerry. Sooo nice to hear Jerry play well in any year or band, and Vince sounds well integrated in the band - his chops are good, his timing is good, and his discretion is excellent (i.e. when to play and when NOT to play). Highly recommend these shows as a starting point in your 30 Trips endeavor.
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Submitted by uv1 on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 06:17

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I love reading so many comments praising the 90's shows. Especially from those who admittedly were skeptical of 90's Grateful Dead. As someone who only started listening to the Dead in late 1990 (after Brent had passed), and only saw handful of shows in 1991 and 1993, this is the Dead as I first witnessed them. And yes, they were still good. There was definitely some magic still left in them as a band. For what it's worth, I'm also a fan of the Road Trips series, and the Cal Expo '93 set (including the bonus disc) is one that gets a lot of play from me. A LOT! I think part of what makes it work so much is that the rest of the band had to step up a little to fill in the gaps left by Jerry's decline. Sure, the best shows were still the one's where Jerry was playing his best, but then wasn't that the case in all eras? I also think that the number of folks coming out and saying, "Hey, I really like this show from '95, and I usually don't listen to '90s Dead" is one of the reasons Dave wanted to put out this career-spanning, 30-years box set It sort of puts their music from all era's in context. By making the set available as "all-or-none," Dave and the Big Box also asks some of us to step outside our comfort zone and explore eras of the bands playing that we might otherwise avoid. On that note, I'd say they've succeeded already! Well done, Dave!
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Submitted by Mr. Jack Straw on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 06:26

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Given that '85 is probably my favorite 80s year after '89 (maybe '81), I was somewhat surprised that 6/24 is my least favorite show in the box. I can't help but hope that the reason they didn't select one of the next few shows is that we're going to get a mini-set of 6/28, 6/30, and 7/1 in the future. edit- ok, I probably like the '82 show the least, but that's more to do with the SQ than the actual show. edit2- I was also wondering about 5/16/81. It's a hot show, no doubt, but the fact that they used an audience patch for such a significant portion of the show (easily the largest patch they've used to date), cannot bode well for other potential releases from this year. There's other candidates from May or Fall that could have challenged 5/16 had they been complete. I'm guessing there are issues with other shows too.
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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 06:34

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Ever notice Jerry doesn't pluck away on the main Samson theme in '76 versions? He some fills and soloing while everyone else carries the melody. Not jazzed about these versions, prefer '77 and forward.
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Submitted by zxtttxz on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 07:15

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Thanks uv1! I'm the same as you - first show was October '90. I read all the comments on here and I start to wonder sometimes..."Gosh, didn't I have a good time at those shows I went to? Wasn't the music good?" And listening to the '95 show (the only '90's show in the box I've listened to so far) I'm reminded that yes, they were still good, fun enjoyable shows. I remember the description of Cal Expo '93 (the show I went to - May 27) in the current, at that time, "Unbroken Chain" as an "epic" show. All three of the Shoreline June '95 shows were excellent. I remember standing on the lawn and watching the people in the seated section looking like fields of wheat waving together in the wind to Ramble On Rose. Excellent! Thanks Jerry! And I'm not even going to mention the awesome Standing on the Moon at those June Shoreline shows. Thanks again Jerry!

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Submitted by floridabobaloo on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 07:58

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Whoa this guy is a charmer eh? Had no idea he is or was this F ed Up.I mean I knew a great deal about him, but this was an eye opener! Oh well everybody can't be a nice guy eh? Happy Sunday.
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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 08:37

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Saw it last year. Was also surprised how screwed up he is, but also how musically schooled he is. I knew he was a great drummer, but to hear him talk about it, there is clearly nothing unplanned when playing live. He scoffs at Moon, which says a lot about his approach to music. I don't think he appreciates Moon's talent and uniqueness. Nobody else in rock n roll is a lead drummer, and it"s almost impossible to replicate Moon, because his drumming was an extension of his explosive disposition. Few drummers' personalities are mirrored in their style to the great extent that Moon's is. It's the element that drove The Who's live sound. Everyone else was a passenger on Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. Listening to I Need A Miracle from the Closing of Winter land. Fantastic. Perfect. The best. And it's good too... On to Playing in the Band. Love this mix, I can hear everyone, and Phil especially sounds good. I get a chuckle when people put down Keith in '78 - he plays as well as ever on pretty much everything I've heard, including this Playing. It is true that his talents are not showcased in the later years, but I maintain that's a product of the music's style, not any personal limitations.
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Submitted by ckcoffman on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 08:52

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Wow, you guys are making my decision not to stream harder and harder! I decided just before the delay in shipping was announced to go on a GD fast, in order to drool even more heavily than usual when I got Boxilla in my mitts, but the plan got pretty hard to follow-through on when the shipping-later-than-Sept announcement came through. I've of course cheated--listened to the 9/11/73 DStar several times this week--but am generally trying to give some of the rest of the music collection some exercise so that my aural tastebuds are primed & even hungrier than usual for the GOGD. Deep into Cecil Taylor at the moment, and Los Lobos are entertaining me a good bit, too. I have to second that emotion w/r/t the kindness of '90s Dead getting some love. I was too young to experience Pig, TC (seen him since), Donna (seen her since), or Keith with the band, and I just missed catching Brent. I don't usually reach first for 1990s GD (I'm generally a 69/70 and 73/74 kind of listener), but sometimes nothing will do but Vince-era. It's all good, depending on mood and timing, and I hope we all get a few surprises out of this box. Anyway, happy anniversary of every show the GD ever played on 9/27 (here's looking at YOU Stanley Theater!). Out of curiosity: I'm planning to listen to the Box chronologically, but, with a job, a spouse, and 3 kids, I don't get enough uninterrupted headphone-time to expect that this won't take me several months (took me about 6 months to get through the E72 materials). So my crisis is that I am not sure what I'll do when DaP 16 (and 17, and maybe 18) arrives. Do I stop my Boxilla experience to groove on Dave's latest fave, or do I wait and wait until I've finished out the Box experience to listen to the next tasty treat from DL? Anyone else have a plan to accommodate this earth-shattering problem? It'll be a hard choice either way. As Oscar Wilde said, I can resist anything except temptation. I know ... it's all good, and I wish these were the biggest problems we all had everyday! FWIW, my half-year-long excursion through E72 was not hitch-free. I got to the penultimate disc of the box and found it skipped. In spite of the long time since order shipment, Dr. Rhino sent me a replacement within a week. Whatever complaints there are about TPtB on other people's parts, I have to give them some cred & mucho gratitude for coming through when I needed it! And, I don't recall who said it first, but the upcoming Dylan bootleg series release shows you how well treated we 'heads are. $600 for 18 CDs? No thanks, even for this Dylan freak. I'll go for the 6-CD version, probably, in the end, but can't help feeling cheated even there. I have everything the man's released, on vinyl and CD, but when I compare his catalogue to what we're getting from Rhino, I feel disappointed (as a BD fan) and grateful (as a GD fan). Now if only Dylan would step out on stage for some of the Dead & Co shows ....
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Submitted by mjzeee on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 09:10

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My advice to ckcoffman (and others) is to first rip the discs in the box to iTunes or your other favorite software. That's a quick way to find out whether any discs are defective. You can then listen at your leisure. I haven't yet listened to any of the streamed concerts. Recently listened to Dave's Picks 15 - wonderful stuff. Since there's a fade between discs from Rhythm Devils to Not Fade Away, I used software (in my case, Amadeus Pro) to edit the two together, so I now have a seamless performance from Estimated Prophet through to Sugar Magnolia.

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Submitted by floridabobaloo on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 11:22

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Moonie was the best in my book. Love his approach. Unparalleled in RockGinger considers himself as Jazz. I see that and his choices are spectacular too. But himself as a person? Summer's Eve comes to mind!
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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 12:05

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lol, right you are Florida. I felt a little bad for him throughout the movie; but then toward the end, his son said he blew him off, and that Ginger had already blown the millions he received from the Cream reunion shows. Talk about blowing a second chance - that's not just down-on-your-luckedness, that's bonafide Summer's Eve! I do love that late 60s tube amplification stage sound of Cream and others, especially with the Who and the Marshall Stack configuration. It's crazy to think now, how short a span all of those late '60s bands existed on stage. The scene was pretty much changed for good within 10 years.

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Submitted by floridabobaloo on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 12:27

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Tube amps! Love um. I once owned a Mesa Boogie Mk 3 Simulclass that had the most rich warm melt your soul sound I ever heard. Loved that box. Had to be played LOUD just had to be haha.Sold it along with most of my road gear, but picked up a little Orange solid state amp, and for $239. It's a screaming lil monster. Very nice tone at any volume. The days of huge Marshalls are pretty much over. Such a pain to move them around. Plus these new Little boxes make great sound. One thing I learned that amazed me is Jimmy Page and his fav recording amp. It was a little amp as well! He miked it up perfectly. Distance is Depth! Page learned a lot from the ole 50s engineers. I read Ginger has pretty bad COPD now too. It showed with the chain smoking in the movie. Very sad story blowing through 5 million bucks and being dirt poor cause you can't withhold your compulsiveness. What's the line about a fool and his money?
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Submitted by One Man on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 13:51

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Loved the E72 Dark Star blow-by-blow, 6-tus. Now, who wants to host a web repository (blog form or whatever) for this kind of thing? I'll contribute a review of every song version officially released on CD -- including 30 Trips, eventually. All of the others are done already, they just need a loving home and the chance to interact with other reviews. PM me!
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Submitted by lowspark75 on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 14:52

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...and regarding Ginger Baker. You know full well that any of us would just as quickly blow through $5 million if we got our hands on it and there was $5 million worth of previously unreleased Dead recordings to be purchased.
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Submitted by lowspark75 on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 15:02

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Personally, there are drummers who I like better than either of those guys. I think Michael Shrieve was possibly better than either. Phil Collins, Stuart Copeland and Levon Helm are a few more of my favorites.

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Submitted by floridabobaloo on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 15:49

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Man Im pretty tight with the cabbage. If I had that kinda war chest I doubt seriously you'd see me blow it. But you never know.I agree Mr Copeland is a top notch skin man.
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Submitted by Sydney Prentice on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 16:13

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Thanks for the tip regarding 1981 new years eve,I have just finished listening,what a fantastic show. I also enjoyed finding the first set with Joan playing,shame that the quality is not soundboard standard. There is always room for another G D box set,but are there enough full shows left in the vault? So far I have only listened to the single from the 30 trips download,still hoping to avoid listening to any full shows until I get the physical CDs,me thinks the box is less than 12" square,otherwise we could have had a 12" record rather than a 7" single. Look forward to seeing the Lunar eclipse in a few hours here in the UK.
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Submitted by Oswald55 on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 17:00

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Is there a verdict on how the USB version will treat the concerts vs the physical version? Obviously, USB doesn't have the CD-length limitation, so the concerts can theoretically run uninterrupted. For example, the '73 show's Jam necessitated a track re-order, and '78 splits the jam @ Drums/NFA. So I'm wondering if the shows run uninterrupted on the USB or if they're, essentially, only digital copies (FLAC aside). Anyone know? Thanks!
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Submitted by Moses Quasar on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 18:08

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Sitting here, having some 6.9% Octoberfests and listening to 3/25/72. Great show, I love the Academy of Music run. Should have been a box set. What do u think? Ive said this before, I'll say it again: JimInMD is a stand up fuckin guy!.....and I say that with the utmost respect!.....he knows!!!!
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 19:14

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....or in tonight's case, a brand new full eclipse, harvest, blood red, supermoon! Go outside, look up, and Get Some!!!....awesome....
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Submitted by Ziffle on Sun, 09/27/2015 - 20:28

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Oswald55 asked, "I'm wondering if the shows run uninterrupted on the USB or if they're, essentially, only digital copies (FLAC aside)." I sent a similar question to customer service and David L. several weeks ago (when I ordered the USB version). I was told that the engineers delivered two completely separate masters, one for the CD, one for the USB. My question had to do with audio quality (is the USB just a FLAC of the CDs), and the helpful answer was, no, the USB is distinct. I did not ask about track sequencing; hopefully they will give us everything is the correct order, but it doesn't much matter in the end. We can resequence those files on a playing copy with no loss of sound quality. Similar can be done with the CDs, but only by resequencing and then burning to a new CD (otherwise the HDCD decoding will be lost). I mentioned somewhere else that the Spring TOO download version runs in performance order without fades, so far as I know, but not having heard the CDs, no idea if they are different.
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Submitted by Alain on Mon, 09/28/2015 - 00:22

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I am one of those who prefer to wait for the box, and so I have not listened to digital files (except China> Rider of 10/27/1990, which I love). I'm so impatient! (Excuse my English, I'm French).
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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 09/28/2015 - 05:12

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Nice drummer discussion, compliments of Mr. Baker, I believe. I love all those mentioned.. I am partial to the multi-limb schizophrenia of Bill Bruford as well. I recently took a youtube spin of his work and bands and was completely absorbed as about an hour disappeared from space and time.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 09/28/2015 - 05:18

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Overcast and raining.. I didn't even know it was going on. Coincidentally, however, I spent my predawn hours listening to the Dark Star > Morning Dew from Dave's 13, almost a year since my first spin. Up way too early drinking some kona, great music to plan out my week. What a powerful performance.

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Submitted by floridabobaloo on Mon, 09/28/2015 - 07:53

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Hi JiminMD here in fla. we were robbed because of the weather from seeing the eclipse. The Moon was Obscured by Clouds.............But I did Find a bunch of songs which dealt with the Moon. Sisters of the Moon by Fleetwood was a cool remembrance. Of course we were Standing on the Moon with the Dead, then Walking on the Moon with the Police, etc. There are a lot of songs dealing with the Moon! Mankind has been thinking about that glistening glob of celestial cheese a long time. Starting off the week in Winterland 73, 11-11 to be precise. From there the course is wide open. All the Best to you Kind Folk
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Submitted by drshakedown74 on Mon, 09/28/2015 - 06:59

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The best drummer I have ever seen live is Joe Russo......end of story.
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Submitted by matchewy on Mon, 09/28/2015 - 09:08

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I am very fond of a couple drummers mentioned in this thread, but I am really glad to see Michael Shrieve and Bill Bruford mentioned. I am a drummer, and when I was a teenager, I regularly watched live footage of Shrieve like it was porn. I was fortunate to catch King Crimson twice in '95 on the Thrak tour, and the interplay between Bruford and Pat Mastelotto was nothing short of wizardry. Bruford is a trickster, and he is not only obsessively precise, but well versed in the art of ridiculously obtuse time-signatures. Do yourself a favor and check out the Deja Vrooom DVD, most of which is on YouTube. However, with the DVD, I believe you can choose your viewing perspective. Moon is mentioned, probably my favorite drummer. It is really his energy and total chaos that hits me somewhere deep. Ginger: I actually started playing because of Ginger. I was 12 and begging for a left handed electric axe when my Dad played me "Do What You Like" from the Blind Faith LP. That was a defining moment, and I decided to play drums in that moment. I was a huge Ginger fan, and I still appreciate him. But, what appealed to my early teen brain (loud showmanship style drumming-double bass solos and what not) never lost its appeal, but my taste matured. I still dig Baker's work with Cream and Blind Faith, but hearing him (and Clapton and Bruce) on that live recording a few years ago, well, that is one of the most boring recordings I have ever heard. Other drummers who inspired me through the years, Stephen Perkins (Jane's Addiction)-I saw Jane's a couple times in my early drumming years before they broke up, and Perkins was a huge inspiration; Matt Cameron (Soundgarden and subsequently Pearl Jam)-Crazy rhythms and ghost beats, unique time signatures, excellent precision; Jaimoe and Butch Trucks (ABB)-possibly the "easiest" drum duo to watch play, just fluid and groovin', two-drummer shufflin'; Jim Keltner and Jim Gordon- just listen to "Mad Dogs and Englishmen", just about any Delaney and Bonnie LP, and Derek and the Dominoes; Tony Allen (Fela Kuti and the Afrika 70)-just sick!; and there are so many more. I always find musician comparing conversations fascinating, and how easily we start to blur the line between our preferences and individual tastes and fact with statements like "best", greatest ever", and so on. These musicians all have their own very distinct musical voices, and they are almost impossible to compare. I love these conversations and hearing who everyone loves and why.
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Submitted by mhammond12 on Mon, 09/28/2015 - 09:37

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Charlie Watts. He's never mentioned in "greatest drummer" conversations. He should be.
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