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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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June 16, 2015 - 2:28pm

#6631

KeithFan2112

Joined:
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Speaking of Decline

Yeah Palmer, you bring up a good point. What happened to Bob Weir's guitar sound in the late 70s? I want to call it choppy flamenco, but I don't know why I want to call it that. It's something in the tone of his guitar that changed a whole bunch. I may be morphing into pre-hiatus guy....I've always maintained that they were better with just Billy on drums, and that almost anything they played on the Europe '72 tour sounded better in '72 than it did after the hiatus (Bertha, Cold Rain, New Minglewood ((Ladies & Gentlemen - wow)), Ramble On, Sugar Magnolia, Promised Land, Deal, the list goes on. But there was so much good stuff I like in 77/78 - Scarlet Fire, Music Never Stopped, Estimated Eyes, Help-Slipknot-Franklin, The Wheel, Samson, the list goes on.
June 16, 2015 - 2:27pm

#6632

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

DearJerry

For the Shakedown Sessions, I don't think it was that he wasn't welcome to the studio, its that there were days that he didn't even show up, especially towards the end. Jerry, in particular, was pissed and asked John Kahn to finish. He even has keyboard credits on the album. Wouldn't that qualify to some of the comments at least? I also think Keith's playing is brilliant for most of his career with the Dead, and I often spend large amounts of time listening to the Keith Years. I also think band members opinions count. So there's a lot to this, but most importantly I don't recall any significant volume of people bashing Keith's playing on this thread. ..and if there are some comments you might not like, they are almost always in response to someone stirring the pot with Brent bashing, which certainly offends people. I was just highlighting that for a host of reasons Feb '17th was their last show, so lets be thankful for what we have instead of dwelling on what we cannot impact. It is what it is. That's all, nothing personal.
June 16, 2015 - 2:26pm

#6633

Cousins Of The…

Joined:
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Mo' Keith

Just finished listening Row Jimmy from 3/20/77. Keith sounds great backing up Jerry's fine, lyrical solo, but is clobbered by every hit of Mickey's bass drum. I think this was mentioned a few weeks ago; very apparent to me on this track. To my ears, it sounds like there was a change in the mix from 76 to 77; more emphasis on the drums(esp. bass drum), and a less "crispy" bass, making the overall sound a little muddier than it was.
June 16, 2015 - 2:25pm

#6634

PalmerEldritch

Joined:
July 25, 2011

I love the keyboard/era debates!

I don't agree that "old" topics, such as era- and keyboard debates should be retired. This day's posts has been the most interesting here to me in weeks: from floridabobs culture reflections all through the Keith decline discussion. Almost anything that generates a flurry of thoughtful posts seems cool to me as long as it's civil. As a lifelong Deadhead, I think the era/keyboard debate is perfectly relevant and (for me) endlessly fascinating (well, nearly endlessly). I'm extemely conflicted and ambivalent about most of the Dead's post-hiatus music and have been that way for >35 years. Where else can we talk about these things? If we only stuck to the forum topic, we all know these threads dry up quickly and become boring as all hell. My guess is that,era/keyboard discussions generate the most interest here, despite complaints about "old, well worn" topics. Anyone really bored can just scroll though topics that don't interest them. I did draft a long post to contribute to the Keith decline discussion but lost the draft. Basically, I agree with LoveJerry. Keith sounds fine to me in the late 70's but as someone pointed out, he seems very low in the mix. Yes, there is a huge difference in Keith's playing E72 and May 77; but the same could be said for Phil and Bobby's playing. How could anyone not notice a similar decline in their playing? Listen to any of Bob and Phil's playing from the late 70's compared to, say Fillmore 2/69, E72, or WInterland 73. Night and day.
June 16, 2015 - 2:11pm

#6635

KeithFan2112

Joined:
August 6, 2014

hahahaha What?? He stole Jerry's stash??

No wonder he wasn't welcome (and no wonder he couldn't finish the Shakedown Street session). Hey hey, Jerrylover, don't drag my name in the mud lol. I only said he was a fair pilot. No but really Keith Moon was like the tazmanian devil with drumsticks. If anyone has heard his live stuff from Tommy and Live at leads, in that '69 - '70 zone, you know what I'm talking about. I can understand why Clapton or Baker (I forget which one) would have given that snide expression when asked about Moon's talent compared to Baker, because Ginger was great, a time keeper, an arranger, and so much more than a drummer when it came to making music, but Moon was off the rails excellent, and completely untouchable from '68 - '73. But if you compiled the best live 2 hours of Moon with the best live 2 hours of Baker, Moon is a step or two ahead. What Baker brought to music composition, Moon brought to live performance.
June 16, 2015 - 1:55pm

#6636

LoveJerry

Joined:
March 19, 2015

Jim In MD

I am asking "us" because "us" are the folks who frequently say Keith's playing declined without a lick of evidence to substantiate that assertion. Forget what you've read on Wikipedia or wherever, since it's not exactly a well documented topic, and listen to the music - where is it? Did Phil really say that? If he said it, is it true? In a court of law it's nothing more than hearsay. Give me a song or just recognize that every time someone comments that his playing declined is probably going off the Wiki quote or the comment from Blair Jackson's book (thanks for sharing, never saw it before), but a couple of off-handed subjective remarks do not make it true, and they don't hold up to scrutiny, which is my main point. People are regurgitating hearsay that does not hold up to scrutiny - no wonder politicians lie so much - it's so easy to pass lies off as truth to the masses. It's actually kind of scary. It would be interesting to scan this site for the past several months to see how often this unsubstantiated rubbish was repeated. I kind of feel bad for Donna. And the reason I didn't bring up anything like drug use or marital problems is because it has nothing to do with my argument, which is simply that his playing did not suffer on the stage, and I have the tapes to prove it :-) Or maybe I don't - I am willing to admit I was wrong or uninformed, which is why I posted in the first place - to find out if anyone can point to a performance where his playing was off. Keithfan mentioned Keith Moon - at least when his playing was said to have declined before his death, you can hear it in recordings (Kilburn 1977, Who Are You). That I believe, because it's well documented and easy to hear.
June 16, 2015 - 1:39pm

#6637

KeithFan2112

Joined:
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You Know a Rumble Ain't a Rumble Without Me

Of course I agree with LoveJerry - not because I'm a Keith fan, but because it's true - there is really very little primary source evidence that Keith's playing deteriorated. Wikipedia? Even if Phil said it, ex-bandmates deride each other all of the time, it's the single most predictable type of slander they throw at one another. I'm sure he nodded off at the wheel a few times, but that's hardly a deterioration in skills. Not that it's a good thing. But I get LoveJerry's sentiment, which I might also add was not an argument about the reasons he left the band so much as a defense of his playing. So while yeah, some folks have pointed out that there was drug use and whatever, the main point is that folks comment about Keith's deterioration of skill on here all the time, presumably because they read a Wiki quote or Blair Jackson comment - yet the evidence, the music betrays the notion that there was anything substandard in his playing. If I'm reading her post accurately she's just asking someone to point out which songs/shows/period demonstrates this decreased ability to play, and indignant (correct me if I'm wrong JerryLover) that when the topic of his departure comes up, everyone always says he couldn't play, he couldn't play, he couldn't play. I have, myself tried to substantiate that claim that he could no longer play, but just can't find it. The proof should be in the pudding, but it's not. Long live Keith. Both of them - Keith Moon drummed circles around Ginger - he just colored out of the lines a lot.
June 16, 2015 - 1:12pm

#6638

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Re: DearJerry/Keith

Why ask us? We didn't kick him out of the band. There's a few factors you are not bringing up besides his playing. I don't think any of us question he was a brilliant piano player loaded with talent. But.. First there was his escalating drug use. By late '78 Keith had a heroin addiction (and for that matter so did Jerry). Towards the end of Shakedown Street, Keith couldn't even be found to finish the keyboard tracks on some of the unfinished songs, so John Kahn of all people filled in and did them. In Rock Skully's book, Rock states Keith was rumored to have stolen Jerry's stash once, which really pissed off Jerry. Shortly after that, Keith wasn't part of the JGB. Can't ask any of them if its true because they've all passed by now.. but I don't think there's much doubt about their drug use and drug of choice in these years. There was also the relationship trauma. There were regular fireworks between Keith and Donna on a regular basis. Violent fights, trashed hotels, smash up derby's in the parking lots, ...drama.. tension.. yuk. And then there was his playing. I think his playing had diminished or at the very least was not consistent by late '78, early '79 and, well, the sad truth is.. you can't get rid of Jerry and I'm not sure if having two junkies in the band was something they wanted or could continue with. Keith and Donna wanted to leave too. I think she left a few shows early in one of the last tours because she couldn't take it either. Remember, they were trying to raise small kids at the time. So its well documented that the parting was mutual. I'm not sure what is to be accomplished by going down that rabbit hole. They left and they got a new piano player. We weren't there, but I imagine if we were and if we were privy to all the facts and details.. well, my guess is one way or another, that darkness had to give. One Edit: I read cousins reply (which was classic). Yes, amateur slide guitar hour. aaaack! Love ya Bobby... but on this one, I agree with my cousin. He supposedly started playing more slide to get the sounds he (they) wanted they keys. ..and yes, Donna in particular was drinking a lot, but Keith was chasing the dragon.
June 16, 2015 - 1:02pm

#6639

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Re: Brokedown

I agree with your post. I think most people's minds on this are 'set like concrete'. The back and forth is usually non-productive, and I can't say I learn a ton from it.. especially when the posts come with barbs or put down another's tastes or preferences. I actually don't see the debate, I like the Keith years.. but spring '79 was their last hurrah, and enter the '80's and they got a new keyboard player. It is what it is. I am thankful someone pressed "record" on the tape deck, sit back and enjoy (or press skip if there's out there that doesn't tickle your pleasure bone).
June 16, 2015 - 12:54pm

#6640

mbarilla

Joined:
August 8, 2013

Check out JGB live shows from 1978

Some great stops along the way from Keith in 1978. And another vote for Red Rocks July 7-8, 1978. Tennesse Jed ; Passenger ; Peggy-O ; The Music Never Stopped Killer four piece combo to end first night 1st set

John Perry Barlow

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

Charlie Watts

He doesn't have the flash, but he makes up for it in swagger!

documentaries

I was thinking about my favorite documentaries over the weekend and thought about asking the board what folks enjoyed. To my surprise, I get to the office and the discussion was already ongoing. Man the group mind is true. I watched Song of the South this weekend, about Duane and the Allman Brothers. It was great. I highly recommend and it is a nice companion to Muscle Shoals. If you watch Muscle Shoals, Sound City, and Finding the Funk you will hear a common thread running through all three. Will have to watch Wrecking Crew, looks awesome.

@Gary Farseer

Check out "Music is the Weapon" about Fela Kuti, excellent documentary. Besides music, I recently watched "Let the Fire Burn", a nice documentary re: the MOVE group in Philly. It stays pretty objective, I think.

Off topic...this weekend in SF

Reminder: this weekend is Hardly Strictly Bluegrass, featuring electric Hot Tuna Saturday at 1:25 on the Banjo stage.

Documentary suggestion:

What Happened, Miss Simone? about Nina Simone.........watch it.

Matchewy

I said "best I've seen" because Russo is. Im sure a lot of us on here are musicians as well as yourself. What else do we have but our own opinion? I can post videos too of all the cats I like, but chat rooms are nice for simple one line remarks as well, sometimes the simplest comments dont need explanations.

Wow.. Lots of good stuff going on here.

Thanks all. matchewey.. looks like you provided some evening entertainment. I don't think I have seen a single one of your links. Might have to check them out with my new headphones. Dr. Shakedown - my apologies, I send this same to post to you as a private post, but meant for it to be for all.. I was replying to your thread and hit the wrong button.. sorry.

another drummer

Greg Hutchinson saw this guy with the John Scofield Organic Trio and he smoked

Then there's this guy...

He starts feelin' it about a minute in...

Awesome drummer..

Stephen Perkins of Jane's Addiction.

thanks

Dr. Shakedown and Matchewy. I will definitely be looking for those!

@Bolo

That video is so great! That reminds me, Frank Beard (ZZ Top) is actually quite overlooked and underrated (pre heroin and drum machines). If you listen to ZZ Top's first three albums, you can hear some very uniquely placed ghost beats and really intricate shuffles. A friend brought this to my attention years ago. I was skeptical, but when I listened, I was blown away.

30 Trips Early Access

Okay.. I have finally given in and started streaming as well. I started at the beginning with '66. I am actually listening to it now. I'm pretty much never a dancer.. while sober, but this has me moving my hips while making lunch. It's absolutely great fun. This show alone confirms that I've made a wise purchase. Priceless...

Contest Time !!!

Similiar to Bolo24 contest, decipher the words and 1st submission to correctly guess show date and venue, will receive a prize of GD Related goodness !! Good luck to all participants and entries, send whatever you have in your hearts, could be sense or by coincidence, Tell me what's your reason if you got a good one. Game time starts September 29 at 21:00 Eastern Time Zone.. Sorry International Gamers. Prize can only be sent to USA address, so tell an uncle, a friend, or Mama, if you win. I send there. PM my inbox, One guess per profile, per day (profile made before yesterday will only count). This contest has No Affiliation with dead.net. And any complaints should not be directed to their CS.. No purchase necessary.. Hopefully its not too hard to handle

Drummers

I'm old school; I like old tube amps(Gibson GA-20!) and Be-Bop drummers: Art Blakey, Joe Jones, Kenny Clarke. Or the Motown studio drummers like Benny Benjamin and Uriel Jones.

Drummers

Joe Morello was one of the finest drummers to ever play drums. Check him out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncL4sOPgv_o If you liked it, try listening to the extended version on "The Dave Brubeck Quartet At Carnegie Hall." You'll be amazed.

Charlie Watts

Charlie was done a grave injustice over the years, as his best live playing was not released until a few years ago. I couldn't believe I was listening / watching the same guy when I first laid eyes on Ladies & Gentlemen The Rolling Stones (video from the Exile on Main St. tour). Anyone marginal about Charlie or the Stones in general should check this show out at high volume. The entire band is peaking here in 1972, and the synergy is staggering. Mick Taylor is well integrated into the band by this time, so he wasn't only making the old standards sound better, but he was an active participant in the current writing and arranging (and for fuck's sake don't ever underestimate what this guy did for the Stones). Keith Richards is at his best, not only on rhythm guitar, but he also played some timely lead and provided solid backing vocals that were integral to the Stones' sound. Mick Jagger actually sings like he does in the studio (i.e. on time, with energy, and melodically), and Charlie is everywhere he needs to be and more. Bill Wyman is barely shown, but he's not much to look at anyway - but he plays well, which is all that matters. So many great moments, but Happy and Midnight Rambler will blow the roof off your house; and there is an unparalleled rendition of Jumpin' Jack Flash, in which the main riff somehow rings this ethereal tone in the ears, as several people playing it at once somehow make it sound like a hundred piece orchestra.

I like the guys

cuz mentions, among others, because they influenced our man Billy so much. I surely can hear Billy supporting Miles on Kind of Blue a lot sooner than I can hear him supporting Jimmy Page on Zep II. Just think what happened when Keith joined and those jazz spaces just began blossoming. Heart of Gold band.

Lets not forget

..right, lets not forget billy and mickey too for that matter. They both have their place.

@Keithfan

I totally agree. I always thought Watts could really play, but I've heard supposedly better educated musicians talk him down. Maybe they don't actually have the credentials to do so, because I think he's superb. "Can't You Hear Me Knocking?"... exhibit A. Also, you are totally preaching to the choir where Mick Taylor is concerned. I think he was the best guitarist the Stones ever had. His era is without question their best music. And yes, Bill of the Dead was really good too. I've even had trained musician friends who are completely unfamiliar with Grateful Dead tell me "That drummer is really good" when I played some live material around them.

ISO: 11/10/67 boot CD - Black Panther Records

Probably in the late 80's, early 90's, I acquired several bootleg CDs of the Dead and one of them was from November 8-9-10-11, 1967 in Los Angeles. It only had 4 or 5 tracks on it and a 34 minute Alligator, if I recall correctly and this single CD was on "Black Panther Records" made in Italy at the time. I thought the sound was terrible, a rather muddy sound, and I just couldn't listen to it all that much, so I sold it. I can't find it listed on discogs.com or rateyourmusic.com and it's not currently for sale on ebay.com as far as I know. Do you have it? PM me if you do.

...and on THAT note...

I also listened to the '67 show from 30 trips. Fucking great. Only, what.. 9 songs? Primo primal dead. I already couldn't wait to get this box. Anticipation is up by a few notches now.

ISO

We are getting 11/10 on 30 trips, there's a board of 11/11 on the archive. 11/08 and 11/09 must have been typo's or based on bad info. Are you looking for the actual CD's or just the music?

11/10/67 boot Black Panther Records CD

Just the inlay cards, especially the front card.

11/11/67

Its pretty obscure. All I can find is that it did exist. This is what I can find. LIVE IN LOS ANGELES VOL. 1 11/00/67 BLACK PANTHER BPCD 008 1CD B+ As Shrine Auditorium (Koine K 880804 LIVE IN LOS ANGELES VOL. 2 11/00/67 BLACK PANTHER BPCD 009 1CD B+ As Shrine Auditorium (Koine K 881103) I have it from a reliable source that even bad copies of this are going for thousands of dollars on EBay. What did you get for your copy? (kidding)

Reflections in a Double Bourbon..

Getting caught up again, lost a whole post (again) so not exactly pleased at this point. But there are worse things in life...I suppose. Haha. 1) Love the drummers conversation, enlightening. I am pretty undereducated, my favorite is Levon followed by Moon though I love and respect others too...Jimmy Cobb, Gene Krupa, Ronnie Tutt, DJ Fontana, that guy Bolo mentioned. My question: Matchewy - As a drummer, what do you think of the Dead's two headed monster? (Pre and post hiatus) 2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbJSfDtolRw 3) On the new Dylan release....oh my. Regarding the subject matter, I can see where some may be less than enamored. Having heard alot of outtakes from this period and others in his ouevre, I will say they are generally very interesting. He tries a lot of different tempos and keys (on what is currently available) so it is interesting to see the evolution. It's not just aborted takes of the song as you hear it on the album. Now we'll see if these follow suit..and even if they do, it's not like hearing new material, so it is definitely the most niche of the Dylan archival releases by far. That said, that's where I fit in...I'm firmly on the bus so I had to go with the 18 disc set and I am already salivating. Even though I'm apparently just another sucker on the vine, I very much question the price point.. it certainly puts 30 Trips in perspective, eh? 4) Fourwindsblow was kind enough to turn me on to 10/12/68...sweet Moses Malone (RIP). The Eleven > Death Don't Have No Mercy, plus The Other One suite...this might be the most insane primal spit on your neck witches cauldron razor blade fireworks I've heard so far. Sorry, I've lost all diction and punctuation after this one. 5) Somehow got on a little Woodstock kick, reading some pieces and listening to Ten Years After, so I checked out the Taking Woodstock film from a few years ago. Not bad, though sensualized / over-Hollywood in many places. Anyone ever see it? 6) After stumbling across a bit about Gram Parsons (whom I know nothing about), I picked up a copy of "Are You Ready For The Country: Elvis, Dylan, Parsons and the Roots of Country Rock" by Peter Doggett. Haven't got to it yet, but looking forward to checking it out. I can't imagine Workingman's Dead and other GOGD offerings are excluded.

@muleskinner

Dude... you know nothing about Parsons? Must get The Byrds - Sweetheart of the Rodeo(with bonus tracks) and everything Flying Burrito Brothers. His two solo albums? I could live with or without.

Lowspark

Thanks Lowspark...that's exactly what my shopping list looks like, in fact. I knew Sweetheart of the Rodeo was hailed as one of the 'forefathers' of country rock, and that they covered a lot of Dylan (there, before and after) but haven't listened yet. And I have always heard of the Flying Burrito Brothers but have yet to delve into them. Somewhat related to the Byrds..maybe, I picked up a Danelectro 12-string F-hole the other day when we were at the guitar shop. Nothing fancy, but I love it.

country rock

Muleskinner, "Are You Ready For the Country" is a worthy read. Gram P. is rightly celebrated, but not deified, which is refreshing. Honestly, I don't recall many words spent on our own GD (maybe I'm wrong)...but Mike Nesmith & the First National Band get their due, which is nice. Wow, drummers. So many. My shortest list would comprise Elvin Jones, Keith Moon, Billy Kreutzmann, Ringo Starr (the Beatle years--every fill is imprinted on my heart) & Neil Peart (who compares the percussive demands of a Rush performance to running a marathon while doing physics problems). But then there's Roy Haynes, Barriemore Barlow, Tony Williams, Morello, Bruford, Bonham, Baker, Mitch Mitchell, Clive Bunker (love that guy), any of FZ's drummers (Dunbar, Thompson, Bozzio), Dave Mattacks in Fairport, Tiki Fulwood in P-Funk...so many. Nick Mason will never appear on a list of all-time greats, but I love his tribal drumming through about '73 -- by the Wall, he'd been utterly banished to the pocket and genericness (though at least he got to stay in the band, unlike Wright). I'll second a nod for Russo, also--his workout on Terrapin Flyer with Further was really exciting. For me, outside of the Ramones, I want fills!! They sadly went out of fashion in the 80's and have largely not returned. Ride cymbals, likewise. *sorry, Big Band drummers (Rich, Krupa, Webb)...you guys are a given. But I've journeyed less with you.

Best drummers I've seen - small venue (Regattabar in Cambridge)

Drummers I've seen at Regattabar in Harvard Square (250 Seats). Dennis Chambers (Mike Stern Band) Dave Weckl (Mike Stern Band) - video not Regattabar Keith Carlock (Oz Noy Band) Lenny White

Drummers

First-whoever this fella is,he smokes....https://youtu.be/m6ZgytCOBw8 And how could we forget....https://youtu.be/eooJYess3nc :) Ooops...Sorry,thought they would be direct links. P.S.-Also if you're into the heavy stuff(pssst...c'mere kid),The Melvins double drummer attack is big and loud tribal style.

@jrf - awesome drummer - Lopez band has trippy radiohead sound

thanks for the clip - sound reminds me of Radiohead. Like the double drummer config of last radiohead album, King of Limbs with Philip Selway and Clive Deamer (former Portishead drummer)...

30 Trips & Cambridge Drummers

boblopes, have you seen Erik Kerr or Dean Johnson at the Lizard Lounge? They play with Mike Rivard's Club D'Elf. As for the box, I've been stuck in the sixties so far. Just got through the '69 Dream Bowl show. Highlights include everything. I got almost all of the way back through the '66 show after that. Boy is that fun to listen too. Interesting to hear how aggressive Pig is on the keys, compared to say '72 where he all but disappears for long stretches. For this show he is loud (maybe its just the mix, but that sound seems to cut through the din) and playing with a lot of confidence. The '67 show is what everyone claims, and maybe more. Wow. So far may favorite show in the box, again having only listened to '66 - '69. '68 is great; i just wish there was more of it. '69 has a great start with Mountains and Dupree's, a great transition into Dark Star, which just hums along for 10 minutes or so, and a blistering Eleven. I'm budgeting another week or two digesting these four shows before dipping an eager toe into the 70s.

any more boxes

I'm looking to buy a box as a surprise for my brother (a longer term dead0head than me) - does anyone know if there will be any more stock i.e. cancellations etc coming in the pipeline. PS Who's also bought the 18cd dylan box - i have - gotta love that leopard skin spindle!!

Club D'Elf ... Billy & the Kids

Right on, Slow Dog. I'll second that praise for Club D'Elf and its drummers. Any 'heads in the Boston area who haven't caught this act out and about (regular performances at the Lizard Lounge) should make it a point to do so. Wish I'd seen them when Mark Sandman was still around and sometimes dropping in. And there is a GD connection, too: Aron Magner, from Billy & the Kids, has sat in with them before.

re: Gary, documentaries

Not sure if you meant music docs specifically or documentaries in general but if it's the latter, Hoop Dreams really impressed me.

3-18-71 and recent listening

Listening now to St. Louie show and Daaaaaaaaaaamn is it smokin' hot! Maybe I need to start listening to more pre-Keith '71 because this is just terrific. I originally said I'd wait for the physical discs to arrive but started by listening on my phone to the '95 show. Then (with my son's headphones) sampled '93 and '92, and then the '82 show. Yes, the sound quality of the '82 show isn't the best but it's a great show. In an effort to avoid listening to too much of the box I picked up Dylan's Under the Red Sky and Love and Theft. Red Sky was hated by the critics and fans when it came out but sounds pretty good to me now. Muleskinner, thoughts on that album? The title song and Born in Time are worth it on their own. But Saturday night I broke down and listened to one of my most anticipated shows, Cobo Hall '76. Fantastic--I loved that tape many years ago but haven't heard it in a decade or two. The MNS sounds like some of those rehearsals from Ace's studio in '75 and still has that hint of MLBJ in it. Having said all that I think this '71 show is the best I've listened to from the box yet and that surprises me. Full disclosure: I'm originally from the St. Louis area and for some odd reason take pleasure in the fact that so many GD shows from that city have made onto official releases even though they didn't play there from '83-'93. Not sure where to start with the streaming, or if you should start? Try a little taste of the '71 show. I'm glad I did.

@ saintstephen1971

Good luck, because I doubt there well be anymore cancellations between now and shipping dates.That's only my opinion. You can try ebay, but you'll pay way too much Good luck!

@ saintstephen1971

I'd check here on the 9th of October and maybe a few more copies might suddenly become available.

GD beer names

Going way back to an old topic, I was just reminded of one I forgot about: Boulevard's Long Strange Tripel (a very good one to try if you enjoy something Belgian) when this weekend I picked up something else called Saint Stephen from Brix City Brewing, a brand new thing out of NJ. Label leaves no doubt where their inspiration is derived. "One man gathers what another man spills." Haven't tried that one yet because my store annoyingly always inverts the bottles to scan them and I wanted to let it settle. Stock guy wondered if I was "into the band or just the beer." After a pause, I said I hadn't tried the beer yet.

re: 3/18/71 Fox Theatre

rdevil.. you're make it hard to save some for box set listening.. I am looking forward to this, especially the second set and its climax, GDTRFB>Caution. ..but I will wait on this one for all the box set glory. Great venue.. love the sound of the Fox.

Rdevil

Not a bad way to pass the time, both the Dylan and the '71 show from the sound of it. Like you said, Under The Red Sky is pretty well panned, but I am a fan as well, at least some of it. The production isn't great at times, but I love the title track, Born In Time, God Knows and Cat's In The Well. Some of the others are rather poor songs, and Wiggle Wiggle might be the strangest thing he's done. Which is saying a lot. there are some great live versions of all of those, I got into the title track when I first started picking up bootlegs, shows ~2005-2006 where Donnie Herron does the main hook on pedal steel. My second Dylan show, in 2007, I was third row and the first time I saw him play guitar, he opened with Cat's In The Well. The album version's not bad, but there are some smoking live ones. Same for God Knows. Love And Theft is a great snag too. A lot of people rank it as his best 'modern' album, and I can see it though might not completely agree. Mississippi is my favorite song of his released in the last 30 years, I'll stick by that. Love Summer Days, Honest With Me & especially High Water (For Charley Patton) as well. If you like both of those albums and don't have it yet, I'd definitely recommend the Bootleg Series, Vol 8, Tell Tale Signs. It covers outtakes and live stuff from Oh Mercy to Modern Times (1989 to 2006).

@jrf68

Whoa, I am a very longtime fan of Melvins, and Dale Crover is definitely a favorite drummer of mine. I was not aware they are using a double drummer line-up now. Who is in second seat, and for how long?

Drummers

I've been enjoying the drummer discussion and thought I'd chime in with a little love for Stanton Moore. If you've ever seen Galactic you know how much fun that guy is to watch. He's just always on the money. Anyone from the MD/DC/VA area will know the guy who plays the buckets outside of The Verizon Center Metro station. He brings the heat. I always have some cash for that guy.

Gram Parsons

@Muleskinner I 2nd Low Spark, "Sweethearts of the Rodeo", the first 2 Flying Burrito Brothers albums, and The International Submarine Band are all great Parsons albums, and they are are essential for anyone who likes country rock. I would definitely grab Parsons' 2 solo albums, as well. They feature an all-star line-up with James Burton on lead, and he smokes. There are multiple versions of these albums out right now. I prefer vinyl, but the Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs audiophile CD releases sound superb, as well. Also, that is Ms. Emmylou on backing vocals. She also did a fine version of "Las Vegas": as well as this heartbreaking tribute to Parsons after his untimely death: I also highly recommend Emmylou's first hadnful of Reprise albums for those wishing to expand their country rock collection, all really good with the same backing band as the GP albums. Beyond that, Commander Cody and His Lost Planet Airmen are great,Little Feat's Output with Lowell George, especially their first 3 albums, and New Riders of the Purple Sage (with Jerry and Mickey on the first album) are all good.

Dang

Wow, great stuff - I've been so busy haven't even checked this forum for a few days. Lots to catch up on. Just have to say a big thanks for all the great videos and drummer suggestions. Especially to Matchewy though, for the Soundgarden video. I loved them at the time, and this video confirms my youthful love of that band. Smoking. Bolo, that drummer, OMG. I couldn't stop watching (well, I did stop finally). That is one of the most oddly compelling things I've seen in a while, thanks for that.

Country Rock

My all time favorite is the Everly Brothers' 1968 Roots LP. Did not sell a lot, but influenced a lot of people. Includes great versions of Mama Tried, Sing Me back Home, T For Texas along with some Everly originals. A must!!

Melvins

Melvins added Jared and Cody from Big Business into their line up in late 2006, so they were a four piece, guitar, bass, 2 drummers, all on vocals. This line up has released Senile Animal, Nude With Boots, Bride Screamed Murder, and Bulls & Bees plus other assorted singles. They also have a few other concurrent line-ups going: Melvins Lite was originally Buzz and Dale as a duo, but then added Trevor Dunn of Mr Bungle on stand up bass. This line up released Freak Puke. Melvins 1983 has Dale on bass and their original drummer Mike Dillard. This line up released Tres Cabrones plus other various tracks Melvins can also feature Jeff Pinkus of Butthole Surfers and Honky on bass when the Big Business guys are otherwise occupied. This line up released Hold It In.

Thanks @rev. mike

Wow, a lot of changes since I closely followed Melvins' output. I haven't paid attention too closely since around 2000 or so. Regarding country rock, thanks @cousins of... for the suggestion. I haven't heard that album and will definitely check it out. I was listening to Willie Nelson's "Songbird" album at work, this morning, with Ryan Adams and the Cardinals backing Willie. It fits very appropriately with the country rock discussion as Willie covers not only "Stella Blue", but also Ryan Adams, and Gram Parsons on a killer version of "$1000 Wedding". He also does a nice version of "Hallelujah", by Leonard Cohen. And, since the Cardinals are backing Willie, Neal Casal handles lead.

Drummers

Tony Williams.Rock? Seems like have a longer memory than some on here, but one name: Ed Cassidy of Spirit, check out the Family that plays together, and in particular the track Its all the same. I still get goose bumps remembering his reentry riff after a GREAT drumsolo. One of the tedious constants of seeing bands in the early 70s were the interminable drum solos, tho it did give time to go to the john or get a beer, but not so when Cass Strange Drums was on stage, no sir!

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